We're Too Addicted to Gacha Games | Trash Taste #33
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I'm very lucky to have mates I can argue with and it mean nothing LOL
Hey Connor, just wanted to put it out there that you were 100% in the right this episode, carry on.
Also yeah, those are the best kinds of friends really.
I agree with your take on losing
Yay I can repy to u now!!!
i rarely want to take sides but it is absolutely true that gacha games are predatory
You're too wise man
Connor: Gacha is a scam!
Joey: This episode is sponsored by
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Connor: FUCK!
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Bruh both Garnt and Connor were sponsored by Princess Connect lol, at least appreciate them talking about it even though they cant walk the walk
There's something inside those onigiri I tell you
This is just Connor trying to reason with hopelessly addicted gambling addicts
no replies for some reason
@@dicacious9763 is he wrong tho
@@Henry-rh6gz yeah guess exaggeration is the only way for getting likes i guess
@@dicacious9763 why didnt you reply to this guy?
on the flipside, this is Joey and Garnt trying to reason with an overly competitive gamer
The biggest fault in Joey and Garnt's argument is that they always use themselves as an example for people "addicted" to gacha when clearly they know they are capable to spend and have enough willpower to stop. It's like they're trying their best not to make it seem like it's bad because they're not really addicts in a defense where they should be looking into those who are definitely addicted to gacha -- which also is hard to defend because bottomline *gambling = bad*.
Definitely and they have the luxury of a following, so if they blow a $1000 on gacha on stream, they'll make the money back ten fold, by promoting gambling to their audience of partially children...
THIS!!!
well we talking about Garnt and Joey being gacha addicts, but we aint talking about Connor being a PvP addict
tbf Connor is also using himself as an example for people playing competitive PvP game and getting pissed at "mentally weak" people for not trying hard enough, while ignoring the fact that for some people, in-game stress breaks their will to play the game instead of pushing them to get stronger
@@jomargumboc6430 wtf is a pvp addict. Man I was just lurking but ive read multiple of your comments and my god you simping hard for joey and garnt
@@wuko687 exactly what is says. loves competition too much. doesnt understand peaceful gaming.
I've been there, in Connor's situation. I quit League 2 yrs ago, after playing 5 seasons. I saw myself devolve into an overly competitive, toxic kind of person. then it transition to numbness, until i said quits.
when I discovered gacha game, I never thought there could be a gaming community that has the *"I feel your pain, better luck next time"* mentality instead of the *"YOU SUCK ASS GWP UNINSTALL"* one that I've gotten exposed to.. its a breath of fresh air to be able to game in peace, join community forums and not have your mental health take a toll.
everyone in this comment section clapping too hard at Garnt and Joey just because the title is about gacha games.. but what if the title is about PvP games?
Hey, I'm a game design student and i've interned at a couple of studios, one of them was developing a gacha game. Let me just say, they have entire teams dedicated to making the gacha system maximize profits. The tactics used are pretty disgusting. For example, we were asked to mathematically determine what rate for pulls/pricepoint for premium currency/scarcity of premium currency to implement based on the total development costs minus advertising. When we brought the rates to upper management they said "great now cut it in half, then use those rates for promotional events." It's like price gouging but only we know the fair prices.
Double Edit: To those asking for the essay link, it was submitted to Ontario Tech University, and is technically their IP until I graduate, posting the link online before then could be some kind of academic dishonesty so I'm a little hesitant to, might revisit this comment later when I know it's safe to.
Edit: Developers can set their pricepoints to whatever they think is fair. That's okay, people need to eat after all. The problems I find are the methods used to drive sales.
Limited time banners cause Fear Of Missing Out as well as dailies, studies have shown that creating false scarcity will increase profits, the problem is that the product ( a 5 star unit in this case) doesnt become any better by adding a time limit, but we put a premium on the time limited banners. We're charging for the priviledge of using the limited time banner rather than making it cheaper because its limited. Also refer to the Skinner-Box theory if you'd like to learn more about the fundamental brain hacking gacha games entail.
I could write an entire 40 page essay on the topic of monetisation and microtransactions in modern game design, in fact I've done so already but this comment is a bit too long for youtube as is.
Underrated comment
banger comment
please bump this comment up.
Sad thing is this isn't even particularly unknown, just that the userbase doesn't care.
thats one of the reasons why i refuse to play gacha games.
Meilyn in the back nervous as hell thinking about their Gacha sponsorships.
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@@charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956 calm down America
@@110000116699 REEEEEEEEE
I don't think she was there this episode, because we didn't get a "WTF meyline" and they sort of talked about her and America food like she wasn't there
See, this is why I’m glad Connor is on Trash Taste. I really like Garnt and Joey, but on most topics their opinions are too similar. I like that Connor brings the conflict and debts.
This comment is hella underrated
Joey is exactly the type of person Connor is talking about at the end with the Mario Kart situation. On one hand he complains about how he won't even start certain games because he hates losing so much but on the other hand says he doesn't "look at games that deep" when Connor talks about improving to prevent losing. You can't be salty that you lose when you don't put any effort in to improve and that's exactly Connor's point, unfortunately Joey and Garnt were too caught up in making jokes and deflecting to understand what Connor was actually trying to say.
Lul
The problem with competitive game is there are no "honeymoon period" I tried playing competitive, then I realize I hate it, I'm miserable to everyone else. Why do I want to spend a time to learn and hate myself more instead of being relaxed.
A lot of competitive game is team based, people won't admit their weakness when there are many factor they cannot control. Fighting game is the only competitive type game I play cause any problem it's me.
I agree on the most part with Connor, but in one aspect I am the exact person Joey talked about. You know, I love games since I was I kid, and ever since I got a computer and some games on it, I've been wasting my life on them, and I'm the kind of person who grinds, so like I labbed fighting games (and got to the point of even being invested on community aspects of a bunch of competitive games), and to this day I waste my time on them, but I have some sort of wall preventing me to get any kind of result in games no matter how much time I spend on it. I remember spending days of ingame time learning to do all kinds of stuff, watching tips and pro games and getting all that knowledge and practice, and I would still get beat by people who never touched the game.
Everybody's different, so everyone is bound to have a personal experience no matter how similar the situation is.
Connor: *Wall of text explanation of his feelings about the failures in the gaming industry and how its predatory actions can harm people*
Joey: "No u"
Garnt: "Did you say, that X is Y?" (When he actually said X is Z, since Garnt usually got everything Connor said mixed up and presented it that way)
It was fun seeing Connor frustrated, but at the same time it was kinda painful :D
"Well that's on you!"
He presents nothing but staw man arguments
Garnt : Not me, I'm good, so I don't know what your problem is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The reason why Joey and Garnt's counter seems so bad is because they don't have much to say. Not that they don't have stuff to say but rather they don't have much to convince Connor that they agree with him but his solution isn't the win-all that he likes to think it is.
Connor suggest a form of gacha police but the other two said that how would the gacha police know you are not addicted? They answer, it can't BUT Joey and Garnt agrees that it still should be implemented as something is better than nothing. But Connor kept going as if Joey and Garnt doesn't agree.
And Connor's solution of the game asking you how much your limit is, is a self-regulatory measure which Joey pointed out. Joey points out that self-regulation only works if the person wants to be regulated, which most addicts won't do.
You seriously think a gacha addict that wants to gamble would honestly put a limit for himself? Not really, which again the others point out. But Connor doesn't seem to believe that and think that putting it will solve everything.
So the other two boys are the one ended up taking to a wall and not the other way around like most people think.
“I can be f2p if I wanted to.”
Spoken like a true addict.
i can be f2p if i wanted to
Only in Dragalia Lost, Guardian Tales, Princess Connect Re:Dive, and FGO JP
I can't be p2p if i wanted to
Time stamp?
@@RedoutJoke if you know the different gacha games you can be f2p on you're in way too deep
it's funny how joey said there will be people debating about this in the comments but everyone's taking connor's side so there's literally no debate
Even they admitted in the future that this was a shit take by them. That's what I enjoy about this podcast, as Connor said, they can double down on a completely garbage take and then later when hanging out be like "look, I don't know what the fuck I was saying, I was clearly in the wrong" off camera.
EDIT: for the guy asking which podcast, Joey admitted it in one of their earlier after dark streams, I wanna say one of the flag ones, but I don't recall which one, and I think they said it again in the episode they were talking about how priveledged they were, but y'all can fact check this. And for those wondering why I'm editing, not replying, RUclips recently marked me as a spambot, so my new comments don't show up in replies.
@@Endershock1678 which podcast episode did Joey and Garnt acknowledge this? Just curious
@@falsetone5983 Trash taste awards and Trash taste after dark ep 1
@@earphonez9297 tysm homie
@@falsetone5983 no prob homie
Late to this but all that's happening here is that Connor is trying to have a general conversation about Gacha games and Joey & Garnt are taking it personally.
While Connor's talking about how it could affect someone's life negatively, they're like, "Not us though".
Also, as someone else also pointed out, Gacha is worse than Gambling imo. Casino's don't let kids in while Gacha rips off anybody who is willing to step near their trap.
this is straight up the truest comment in this section, truly underrated
To add to that, another important element Connor touched is about social responsibility as "influencers". Should big streamers really be hyping up and memeing gambling of money (streamers who will most likely make that money back through donations or whatev) which would inspire impressionable teenagers to be more reckless with their family's money.
Pokemon cards are like socially acceptable gacha
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme That's actually a really interesting take on the subject. However imo you can actually trade and sell cards which means it's something of value than just buying pngs
Remember garnt and joey
*"If you quit while you suck, you'll suck forever"*
-Mori Calliope
Preach brother
Well, i quit because i know i suck.
@@Marnige way to miss the point lol
@@KeroŞero tbh i have no idea what i meant previously. But this quote doesn't work in the context of this video. Garnt and joey was just as annoyed as connor. The only difference was that they wouldn't have an outburst about it because they think its a small matter.
@@Marnige "outburst" if a bit far feched, but yeah i would be anoyed a f as well if i would talk to 2 brick walls
It kinda seemed like neither of them really understood Connors main point in the gatcha argument about people with addictions or that are uniformed. He was talking about how a lot of people legitimately can’t control themselves and those are the people that the protections need to be made for while Garnt and Joey were just saying that they can personally control themselves or are fine with their decisions which wasn’t the point. It also seemed like they didn’t acknowledge that there is a large group of people that don’t know what they are getting into and predatory mechanics have a much higher potential of hurting them than someone who knows what they’re playing like Garnt or Joey
I never really knew just how bad someone who's truly addicted was until I met this guy off of discord who whales pulls until he gets the SSR shit and then posts the salt to "flex". He's not even genuinely flexing, most of the games he touches he barely understands the mechanics. I even caught him not understanding how rates worked and just pulled off standard banners, just because the banner featured a character he liked (but he could've saved for a banner with better rates, while also getting that character with pity). Worst of all, it's not like he's some rich guy and actually afford to continue; he just lives with his parents (which is fine) and works the usual day job, but it doesn't seem like he's saving anything for his future; that's the worrying part.
Everyone's worried about him, and a few people did try to help but honestly, we're all just waiting until the day he crashes. He's never rude to anyone and it'd genuinely hurt a lotta folks if he just keeps going with his addiction.
@@Sercotani It’s messed up because like you said it’s people who don’t know what they are getting themselves into and people who don’t have money that they can just blow like that who end up getting hurt like that a lot of the time.
This.
Yes! Like I loved how he compared it to drugs because it is. I mean yeah, with drugs the recovery hits harder but fr! Its hard to quit or stop yourself from doing in-game purchases sometimes.
Honestly I've always got the impression that Connor is the most mature one of the lot. Garnt is the personification of Trash Taste, and Joey has always struck me as that one edgelord friend you have whose comedy is centred around saying crass stuff like "oh im finna backhand this bitch". Connor, despite playing the monke-brain character, seems like the smartest dude in the group
Connors gaming takes are infinitely better than the other two LMAO
I agree 100% with almost everything connor said this entire episode
This episode really showcased how Connor tries to not only consider his own life as measure of what other people might be going through. Gained a whole lot of respect for him during this episode.
This was Connors character development arc
this was like the climax to a season long training arc
This is the part of the anime when the main hero and villain have a fight and talk about their clashing ideologies. Connor was trying to talk no jutsu them.
Listening to Connor saying that losing is okay or not being scared to talk about the addiction problem in gacha games, I find it humble. Thanks Connor for saying truths in this ep!
he probably need to expand on that and include alcohol addiction as a problem, they celebrate alcohol abit too much to be honest.
@@noirto2 i think for connor it comes with age he cant relate on alcohol addiction on a personal level because in our 20s we just chug it for fun with friends. Theyre just dudes not role models.
Watching this a bit later, honestly, I'll have to side with Connor on this one. Gacha Police should be a thing, and learning a basic mechanic in a game like Mario Kart shouldn't be a problem for anyone between the age of 6 and 50
I absolutely agree with this. I was so confused on why there was so much arguing on this topic lol
@@SrgtKillerSpark Because as Connor said in a previous video, when they have points, they don't conform, they double down because it makes for a more entertaining podcast and then realize maybe later that evening that they were in the wrong. Joey and Garnt admitted that they were in the wrong in a later episode, so they clearly learned, but like Connor said, we don't want a podcast that's just "yeah, I agree with your point."
As horrendously frustrating as this episode was to watch, I wouldn't have it any other way.
But the thing is not everyone want to put in the effort of learning a mechanic because like how connor doesn't get mad after losing a game, these people don't want to learn something in a game because it is just a game that they play to relax.
@@dasherplayz4471 Referring to the original argument, my problem lies within wanting to learn something, and after trying it out once, immediately dropping even the slightest bit of wanting to improve on that. I didn't want to bring up the whole argument again and shortened it a bit, given my phrasing without immediate context, that might not have been obvious.
You or anyone can play anything as casually as you want, but complaining that you're not good enough but not trying to improve on the other hand, is something I won't accept from anyone.
That being said, what's necessary for me to enjoy a game is a challenge of some sort. I get people not wanting to play inherently hard to play games, there's nothing wrong with that. But not having even a bit of a challenge in any game makes it immediately boring for me and I'll quit very fast. I am not playing a game to get the feeling of being an NPC by having a difficulty comparable to reading subtitles while watching a show. Might as well do that then, I'd get more enjoyment out of that.
I know you didn't say anything about the point I'm going to make, but the mindset of that and playing without wanting to improve are on the same page for me. I do not understand how people don't want to improve their skills in a game in any way from the start. If you start a game just to have fun and don't want to put in any effort whatsoever, you are in my opinion not going to have fun. With zero will to improve and very little skills in a game, you're just going to get beaten up, lose matches, everything like that. Where lies the fun in that? I do not enjoy losing, and I can't imagine anyone that does, without having any benefit from that.
There are not even really games you can play without any will to put in any effort. Story games? Can't solve puzzles. Can't beat anything in combat, except there's a baby difficulty. Shooters? Get shot, no kills for you. MOBAs? Die. Grey screen is all you see. Sandbox games? Can't build anything that works without trying to figure out the mechanics. Racing games? Bump into walls, lose every race. RPGs? Can't find any item you need.
What do people who play like this enjoy out of that? Do they just quit the game after the tutorial?
I'm sorry, but I don't get the appeal of that at all. I don't get the argument. My mind is not able to understand how anyone could have fun like that.
@@aratafreecs3445 I agree but it seems you have a competitive/achiever minset.
People don't always play to win or lose, they play to have fun, and winning is not always fun. Sandbox games? They just wanna build some structures complicated or not and the only way to win is killing the end dragon. What you wanna speedrun minecraft? After beating the end what else is fun in the minecraft world (not servers) since there is nothing to win according to your logic. Fps? You just wanna shoot people and you have fun because you are competing with people even without a winners mindset? I lose rounds more so than I win? So what, why should I care game points or internet points or kd ratios.
Fighting games? I just wanna fight as my favorite character and just fight with other people. You don't play to win, you play to have fun. Winning is not always fun, if someone makes a game where you win by pressing a button is it fun? Its facing challenges whether you win or not.
Losing without any benefits? You know Winning also doesn't net you benefits except for the satisfaction of winning a video game. And I will ask you why winning in a video game is fun? Overcoming useless challenges that only waste time and brings little to no benefits in your life other than the satisfaction that you won something(useless unless you are one of the top players of fighting games, mobas, etc...). If people have fun by winning then why not study hard and "win" in school, win in your academic life by being put in the no.1 university. The same could be said about sports, are you winning? What do you contribute to society? Enjoyment? The internet or media has got that covered.
So why would you feel good to win? Overcoming something? But what if you are having fun because you are challenging that obstacle in a game, is that called fun?
connor really is the most empathetic person on this podcast omg. if u got a gambling addiction u cant just “stop it” gatcha IS predatory
They didn't said it was not predatory,and they said it need it regulations so why are they not being empathetic?
@@yuzujaeger4590 Christina didn't say that the TT boys said gacha is predatory, she said it herself
She also said "Connor is the most empathetic person" which doesn't mean that the other boys are not empathetic
@@pierretres8305 my bad i just got the impression by the comments that people were thinking that the boys were defending gambling or something
He then went immediately into insulting people who can’t grasp game mechanics after having just empathized with people who can’t grasp gambling mechanics...
@@markhenrykern because gambling would intrude into not only the person addicted to gambling, but also the people related to the said person. Not being mechanically adept at a video game won’t take your house away unless it’s your job to be adept at it.
Also, what you stated is a bit incomplete. He doesn’t empathise with people who give up immediately after a single attempt.
Conner spot on with everything, honestly the only thing he's off with regards to gaming is story, a good story makes the gaming experience so much better
Plus the fighting game rant, I feel like he went straight away to do a very complex combo, if your part of any fighting community they will always categorise combos to experience level, I feel like you not being able to pull off beginner combos or attempting complex one when your new and blaming the game or saying people are pyschos because we know how to do them is contradictory to his mario kart rant
@@seasesh4073 I was surprised to hear connor doesnt like fighting games with their similarities with league with learning certain matchups and whatnot
Conner's stance can be summed up as "These things people take super seriously that I can't do are for psychopaths. The things that I take seriously that other people can't do makes them cowards."
Conner isn't right. He's just an asshole.
@@TurinTurambar200 well no shit
@@seasesh4073 Exactly!!!
That's the only thing that doesn't check with his whole thing of improvement...
Connor is right, why is it an argument that Gacha should be more transparent?
A lot of gacha companies are scummy, they're designed to take as much money from you as possible.
Why is it normalize in gacha that you need to spent hundreds of dollar to get a guaranteed character, meanwhile a full AAA game cost like $60.
If full on AAA games did half the shit that gacha games do they would be run into the ground and rightfully so. People are too quick to normalize these exploitative things just because it has anime tiddies plastered on top of it. It was honestly kinda frustrating that they really weren't hearing Connor's very genuine criticisms of this stuff.
because gacha game is free. they can do whatever they want. simple as that
its like casino but regulated a little less because its online not ofline
“Why do i have to spend hundreds of dollars in the casino to get a million dollars”
@@fullrain8830 that's as stupid as saying if tobacco was free they would have the right to put poison on it.
I REALLY feel Connor in this episode. There should be systems in place where gacha is regulated, but he's talking to people who doesn't have the issue or don't care.
Thank god for Connor in this episode. Earn that crown king.
poopie cuckaaa
100%
wasnt expecting to see Aristotle, Plato and Socrates discuss the morality of gacha waifus today
More like Socrates and 2 farmers lmao
Lol Connor is obviously the Socrates in this episode ahahha
@@invertedcrayon Make that Socrates and two donkeys
Socrates and two brick walls
Underrated comment 😭
This is the most argumentative episode that had nothing to do with food.
Or shitting
gacha=food
So we're forgetting about the henti episode? Lol
I just want there to be someone in the room to let Connor know that he's totally sane and almost all regular people agree with him.
"Nah you're weird" Says Joey, being weird
I wanna debate with Connor, he seems like such a great dude, I get so pissy when someone just ignores what I'm saying or takes it the wrong way. What a champ.
Gacha is actually more dangerous than gambling.
1. Access. Being on your phone the access is unbelievable, not to mention most casinos require IDs for age limits and such.
2. Odds. Imagine a casino with gacha rates...
3. Gacha is not alone. Systems like those apps for fantasy football, lottery and equivalent mediums are all the same.
Truth is, you need legislation to regulate these things. (Thank you Europe for giving us gacha rates lol). However, in the long run these systems that exploit human weakness will never be gone, whenever they are struck down they transform and persist.
This is one of the few podcasts where I agree with Connor. Yes it’s up to the person to spend a lot of money or not but not everyone has the education necessary to understand probabilities. I know it may sound like a low bar, but given how Little US politicians understand basic statistics...
Not to mention gacha can be played by kids/adult children
its also socially accepted
gamblimg not so much in most aread
Also Garnt was talking about money not mattering to him and I understand his point, but gambling addicts' work exactly the same. For Gambling addicts' the money literally is meaningless and they are only after that feel good hit. Of course the money does become relevant when they do lose their home, social circles etc.
I am addicted to fifa help
gacha gets children addicted to gambling and learning bad habits from a very young age. In casinos you atleast have a chance of making money with gacha your money is gone permanently.
And yes the odds and gacha prices are incredibly predatory. Imagine paying $50 for a booster pack. 10 pulls should be $5-10 each max.
The episodes are slowly turning into Connor arguing with one person and the other just sitting there laughing.
Caveman Connor
connor is the antagonist
Dude, really disliked Connor here. He was super rude and belittling to the other boys.
Conner is just ✨problematic✨
Connor argues with one of them, Garnt talks about spending all his money on gacha, and then they talk about shitting.
Connor was by far the most reasonable and grounded one during this episode while Garnt and Joey were "living in LA"
clever way to say it! haha
God it was honestly irritating listening to Joey and Garnt straw-manning all of Connor's arguments at the end of this episode. I get people have different opinions but sheesh, he wasn't being contradictory.
they are still trying to make it like "you are just an addict like us" after connor shitting on them being gatcha addict
Garnt to Connor:
"Your brain must be wired wrong if you like documentaries that much."
Also Garnt:
"Png's of anime girls on my phone are worth $200 to get."
a *chance* for getting png's anime girls
thats about 3 zeroes too short
I am happy Connor is in the podcast, it balances the conversation. Joey and Garnt are basically always in agreement and I love this discussions
They both are too far gone
It fits that Joey and Garnt are in the same frame too
=== Made by The Guizmo ====
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
~ Anime watching and art
1:35 Actually watching anime
1:58 Jujutsu Kaisen
2:50 effing Manga Readers
6:40 Twitter has Shit Takes on Attack on Titan Final Season
9:05 Unpopular Opinions but not really
10:30 Artist twitter is Trash TV
11:18 Charging money for art?
14:00 Buying on Fivver
21:32 Bartering
27:16 Sponsor: Princess Connect: Re-Dive & Garnt speaks with his mouth full
~ America
29:12 More on Connor's school trip to New York: Twinkies & Mountain Dew
31:00 Connor's nosebleeds of boredom
33:10 Connor's hotel/bus in New York
35:39 Garnt's and Joey's New York experiences
36:33 The bois don't hate America
38:13 America does not feel safe
42:03 LA RUclipsrs
43:10 Dunkey's house tour
~ Sex Toys
44:10 Tenga Fleshlights
46:03 Connor's face of disgust
46:09 Wanking in socks
48:32 Pocket p*ssy cleaning
50:40 Fingering oneself
51:30 Japanese sex toy variety
53:27 Strip Clubs got good food
54:54 VR Porn
~ Anime and Media
57:10 How deep one gets into anime
1:00:43 Do people still follow seasonal anime?
1:07:00 Re-reading manga and re-watching media
1:09:33 Girls having shit taste in movies and TV
1:10:29 Jim Can't Swim Psychology and Childhood
1:12:13 Low-investment entertainment
1:16:11 What is an anime fan these days?
~ Gatcha Games
1:17:51 Critising Gatcha Games
1:21:24 Spending money on gatcha games
1:24:20 Connor ranting about memes on spending money
1:25:33 Connor and Garnt in the casino
1:26:36 Connor rants about gambling in gatcha some more
1:32:42 Solutions for gatcha by Connor
1:38:07 More ranting on whether spending is worth it
~ Games and losing
1:49:20 What kind of games does Connor like?
1:57:24 Why Connor won't be a speedrunner
2:00:11 At least try to git gud at Mario Kart
2:08:15 Giving up and losing
2:11:51 Garnt addresses the comment section
2:12:28 Patreons name roll
You sir are the goat
"Don't play to win. Play to get better, and winning will become a side effect". 100% agree with Connor on this one, he has the best mentality a person playing competitive games can have
I'm with connor on this one, accepting your mistakes is part of being better.
As someone with an addictive personality, (Like a legit one. Not "haha i like this thing for a day or 2 🤪") Conner is absolutely right. I would *never* play a gacha game both out of fear of not stopping and because the thought of paying so much money to play a game does not appeal to me. Gacha games are designed to be predatory. It's true.
I gained a new level of respect for Connor, our ideologies match even though I'm not a gamer
Its rare to see everyone in the chat agreeing with Connor
Ahaha facts
What chat?
@@bobthebuilder3609 he meant the comment section
@@bobthebuilder3609 I think they meant when Connor mentioned AoT when he was streaming
Spoiler: No food was involved with the arguments on this podcast.
How
Oh man
I need Connor to talk shit of my life choice and realize how screwed I am. I need this type of motivation in my life rn. I will cry but I will learn from it.
This episode was so hard, hearing Connor lose when he is spitting absolute truths. Garnt and Joey are just so in the wrong i cannot fathom it....
love 'em all tho
The Chad level of Conor in this episode is insane.
i actually agree with Connor, it is unfair when someone throw a hissy fit over you winning so often, and when you spend your effort to teach them how to do it and they just gave up and ruined the session for everyone. This happens more often than not in a gaming party.
100% agree.
It's about being a good sport instead of a sore loser.
There's a big difference between saying "Damn! You won again. I'm gonna get you next time!" and "Damn. You won again. This is so annoying."
There can be sore winners too, but when some gaming elder comes to you with advice about how to improve what you're complaining about, quitting just so you can keep complaining is the dumbest thing you can do
I guess if you've played with a younger brother, people will clown for being good at a game. So whenever I play fighting games with I just go easy on people and have fun like putting handicaps on myself like not using a certain type of attack or playing a certain way that will make them think they actually have a chance and lose here and there. Knowing when to be competitive and when to enjoy the gaming party you and your friends organized is a skill I acquired to make the session actually worthwhile. There's also the option of playing other co-op games that doesn't involve competing, like borderlands and etc. After all, I can be competitive all I like when I'm alone.
@@panzerkampfwagen3847 even in borderlands if you're doing too much some people don't like it, bl3 level scaling was a nice touch
Dude exactly, and when someone gets upset and says "dude you are try harding, you only want to win" etc etc. When clearly they only want to win because they don't enjoy the game UNLESS they win. Like bruh
Yeah definitely Joey and garnt defending mario kart drifting as a hard mechanic, like wtf how is drifting hard in mario kart like bruh Connor was 100% right
This is probably the most emotionally invested I was watching your podcast.
God, Garnt and Joey's commitment to wanting to just make jokes rather than engage with Connor's argument about giving up after one try was incredibly frustrating to listen to. I get it, these are well crafted jokes for someone who is upset about not winning. But Connor isn't talking about that and I can just feel the irritation from him as he tries to clarify the same point over and over again.
And Gacha mechanics should be heavily regulated or just removed altogether. I'd rather just have games increase to $70 than be nickel and dimed to unlock the whole experience. And if you don't nickel and dime, what's the alternative? Wait 2 years before you get the character you wanted since day one? It's just a ridiculous system that we've all convinced ourselves is alright.
I think what Connor was talking about with fans getting upset with criticism of gacha were all the loot box apologists swearing up and down that it wasn't gambling. The two aren't much different and you hear very similar excuses for the existence of each.
I agree...true
Connor didn’t miss once this entire episode, character development 100
Unpopular opinion: they chose Connor to host this episode, so that he isn’t in slap distance to Joey and Garnt
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You mean “undeniable fact”
@Dmon1Unlimited and people condone drinking even though its bad for people overall; its all about self control and having the right help to curb your addiction if you poses one. If you want the government involved with regulations on gacha games then thats gonna be a very hard thing to push in your government when their are more pressing issues going on like the pandemic and the new political atmosphere setting in.
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Why not both? Does the Japanese government can't deal with more than one issue. If they can't I guess their model has some serious issues itself.
@Dmon1Unlimited never said it was a simple solution your putting words in my mouth; i gave you an example like alcohol addiction to compare it to gambling in gacha games; two different things i know but fundamentally one is worst then the other they can both be handled the same way which is either help from loved ones or handling your own addiction; overall im not defending these games whole heartily, but im not just gonna hop on the bad wagon which is agree with Connor mindlessly and expect out government or better yet a foreign government to fix our current issue with predatory mechanics in gacha games. I offered a solution that is the only solution right now; if you have a better one be my guest and tell me; otherwise petition about it on twitter or to your local politicians to set restrictions against these practices.
God, this episode was hard to watch.
Starting off with Joey's r/forexposure-level comments on the artist industry, like complaining about artists with small portfolios setting high prices (why do you care? If they're too high, no one will buy and they'll lower them, let them do what they want), and that artists who aren't super skilled yet aren't considered "artists" (if you do art you're an artist, that's it).
Then of course, the gacha. I recommend you guys watch Jim Sterling's videos on the gacha industry- it is blatantly predatory towards people with addiction problems, and needs regulation big time, no excuses.
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking about the artist take. That made me feel hella iffy as an artist myself. Like, the concept of their high prices are not just based on the art you see, but the skills and resources behind it- the same things that make it possible for you to charge higher for your work, Joey.
(Also agree on the gacha point, but the rest of the comments have already talked about that)
Love it when The Bois argue. Making good points for each perspective and perception. Great great
It's a straight up fact that gacha companies, hell games companies in general, have done extensive research in the best way to psychologically manipulate people into spending money, and to keep them spending money. What your do with your own money is your responsibility, but any reasonable person would take into account the effect of having someone constantly whispering 'SPEND MONEY' in your ear every moment you play.
Joey and particularly Gigguk here come across as two guys utterly failing to empathise because they have money to burn and aren't on that hook. Connor may not have a perfect solution to the problem, but at least he doesn't act like it isn't there. And I'm literally playing Genshin and Princess Connect as I watch this video; I'm not offended, they are predatory and the gacha rates are abysmal.
Agreed, Joey and Garnt come off very ignorant
I felt like gigguk also kept trying to justify how much of a piece of shit these companies while also agreeing with connor on how shitty these companies are by saying that people value things differently and using his subjective value of money vs his subjective value of a fucking image but literally no one disagreed that people value things differently and this wasn't even at all what they were arguing it just felt like he was pivoting and walking back on everything he had agreed on
It's a shame that they didn't even touched the part when you remove the gacha element, the gameplay and the story. They haven't realized that 80% of the players that stick to those games are non-spenders. Because they enjoy the gameplay/lore.
But yeah, I kinda agree with your sentiment. Especially recently with Genshin's Zhongli debacle, you can see that spenders are really out of touch with the f2p/low spenders community. They didn't know that people who optimize and budget the little they have exists even.
I agree, is your decision if you want to spent 100$ per month in a game but they fail to undestand they are normalizing gambling and those corporations can get way with that.
You explained my thoughts lol. I usually just laugh at Conor when he argues but this time I agree with Conor 100%.
It is not just gacha games there are games like FIFA with packs that you spend money on every year for cards you can not even use them next year.
I think Joey and Garnt are underestimating the amount of people who can't help themselves when it comes to gacha
Also I don't think they appreciate the predatory practices gacha devs use, like they literally make games as addicting as possible so they can make as much money from people.
i feel like they’re too used to disagreeing with connor. their first instinct is that he’s wrong so i feel like they weren’t rlly listening to him.
@@tobias5067 they don't really feel the impact in their life because they make the money back streaming those games. But for regular people who dont have unlimited money and fell into gacha addiction then it's a big problem.
Then find external help. I find it impossible for one to have zero friends and family. If you can't ask them to help you rid yourself of an addiction then you don't want to quit.
@@bottomlefto Addiction is considered a disease by the CDC and a big part of that isn't being able to admit the problem of ask for help.
This episode is the literal definition of “Mum, Dad, please stop fighting.”
I love this podcast so much that I can't imagine how would be my mornings without it anymore
Joey and Garnt ended the episode expecting the comments to be on their side lol
The confidence talking about hentai compared to real sexual experiences 😂
I did not know you also liked the whole trio. Love your content
You just ollie'd your way in here, and I love it!
@@farmerman651 favorite humans online
Why do you appear everywhere I go
damn i was subbed to you years ago and after seeing your comment i went and peep'd some of your new content and really enjoyed it. Resubbed for good taste.
Whenever I re-watch this episode, it still bothers me on how high the saturation is.
oh thank god. i thought it was my tv glitching or smth
The way Connor described his enjoyment of challenging games makes it sound like he would love the soulsborne games
No, he like competitive game, where it is PvP. It's entirely different from PvE. There are only a cycle in PvP is a zero sum game. PvE always have an endgame, Soulsborne end with the defeat of the boss.
@rizkyanandita8227 but he likes soulsborne games
This episode showed me how Connor is actually smarter and thinks deeper about things than he normally lets on.
He optimizes his thinking. Monkey brain gets turned on 80% of the time so big brain can focus on the serious 20% that matters.
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo Typical shounen anime protagonist ain't it?
he is really passionate about the gacha issue because of his own addiction to arknights, which really comes through
@@1animorph using his brainpower when it is truly neededd
I mean Connor has always been the thoughtful one, he just acts clownish enough and the other two are confident enough that that never gets so pronounced. Especially Joey never grew out of his 12 year old cockiness, it's sometimes grating.
"The pursuit of optimization, past a certain point, is unoptimized."
-Connor, on Speedrunners
Says the man who doesnt understand the utilization of sex toys can optimize a wank. It's not over optimizing.
The point of diminishing returns
It makes sense.
I don't think he said unoptimised(or maybe I heard it wrong, or maybe he said that because of joey idk). I think he meant it becomes trying too hard at that point when the reward isn't worth the time and effort
Sometimes watching Joey and Garnt gang up on Connor is mildly entertaining, but the empathy Connor exercised in the gacha argument even whilst being strawmanned showed just how monkey-brained and needlessly defensive Joey and Garnt were. Hats off to Connor for his stance
The only way to improve is to lose, you can't stay at the top forever. Once you know what you lack you can improve on it. Losing should only make you stronger.
Fucking hell I just want to play games not learn philosophy
Improving at a game is a mixture of salt and desire to win. You improve because you want to see yourself get better and win, but also because you're salty at how you lost.
Gacha Games?! Never heard of them.
I mean you don't look like someone who plays those types of games
It's great that you didn't heard of them.
*Looks at name*
Hmm, something seems off.
lmao this dude literally goes straight here after posting some Genshin Impact content
i aint either tbh
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
~ Anime watching and art
1:35 Actually watching anime
1:58 Jujutsu Kaisen
2:50 effing Manga Readers
6:40 Twitter has Shit Takes on Attack on Titan Final Season
9:05 Unpopular Opinions but not really
10:30 Artist twitter is Trash TV
11:18 Charging money for art?
14:00 Buying on Fivver
21:32 Bartering
27:16 Sponsor: Princess Connect: Re-Dive & Garnt speaks with his mouth full
~ America
29:12 More on Connor's school trip to New York: Twinkies & Mountain Dew
31:00 Connor's nosebleeds of boredom
33:10 Connor's hotel/bus in New York
35:39 Garnt's and Joey's New York experiences
36:33 The bois don't hate America
38:13 America does not feel safe
42:03 LA RUclipsrs
43:10 Dunkey's house tour
~ Sex Toys
44:10 Tenga Fleshlights
46:03 Connor's face of disgust
46:09 Wanking in socks
48:32 Pocket p*ssy cleaning
50:40 Fingering oneself
51:30 Japanese sex toy variety
53:27 Strip Clubs got good food
54:54 VR Porn
~ Anime and Media
57:10 How deep one gets into anime
1:00:43 Do people still follow seasonal anime?
1:07:00 Re-reading manga and re-watching media
1:09:33 Girls having shit taste in movies and TV
1:10:29 Jim Can't Swim Psychology and Childhood
1:12:13 Low-investment entertainment
1:16:11 What is an anime fan these days?
~ Gatcha Games
1:17:51 Critising Gatcha Games
1:21:24 Spending money on gatcha games
1:24:20 Connor ranting about memes on spending money
1:25:33 Connor and Garnt in the casino
1:26:36 Connor rants about gambling in gatcha some more
1:32:42 Solutions for gatcha by Connor
1:38:07 More ranting on whether spending is worth it
~ Games and losing
1:49:20 What kind of games does Connor like?
1:57:24 Why Connor won't be a speedrunner
2:00:11 At least try to git gud at Mario Kart
2:08:15 Giving up and losing
2:11:51 Garnt addresses the comment section
2:12:28 Patreons name roll
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Holy fuck Garnt's and Joey argument being okay with gacha is always based on THEIR view, and their life, like.. Think a little about other people, Connor is truly more empathic in this...
Watching The Boiz talk about Disney obsessions and watching things in the background, in the background as I'm playing KH, feels like a callout I wasn't prepared for today
It's like Garnt and Joey are brainwashed and they're trying to convince Connor that he's the one that's brainwashed
dystopia: anime edition
that is politics
you just summarised everything i wanted to say in one perfect sentence
I know i literally couldn't believe it😂😂😭
Gaslighting, projection, herd mentality, not sure where each one ends and the next one starts.
Connor is the main character in this episode, the boys are the antagonists.
Honestly , i think garnt and connor both made great points.
Connor was an absolute beast this episode
@@trezayngounder558 I agree but don't know why garnt's opinions are getting hate , any idea?
Doesn’t help that the sponsor was a auto play gacha game
@@mimijeet9921 Cause he tried to counter some arguments pointing that Connor did something similar, and everyone knows that an error doesn't justify another one
"If I wanted to I could be F2P" literally sounds something an addict would say
Telling somebody who's spent too much on gambling/gacha that it's "on them" is as bad as saying to someone who smokes too much to "just stop". Both these people probably know what they're doing is bad but their addiction forces them to carry on anyway.
Also, whilst I don't think anyone likes losing, it's important to not get upset about failing. We failed repeatedly at pretty much everything as children until we were halfway decent, that's just how people learn. The only difference as we get older is that we have more experiences behind us, helping us fail less.
The 'on them' part was more about people spending money on gacha in general which I agree with that it's on the person. The minority who has actual problems do need to be regulated and the boys admitted as much.
Yea, but it is good to have that and not give up while learning important life skills. But it is not necessary to learn League or any video game. It is just entertainment, some people arent entertained by being challenged into learning stuff so dont force them to. Some are just entertained by pressing some buttons.
Unfortunately, failure is now seen as imperfection, and imperfection is unforgivable apparently
People just see their perspective on gaming as something "wrong". It's easy to say they're weak or something, but gaming doesn't revolve in their lives. It's like saying someone who's a musician, whose life clearly revolves on a specific field, just try out sports, something completely to what they know, and tell them to get good, where what they want out of it is try it out. So they're point in not wanting to get into competitive games is not invalid tho. Just cause someone's not that into something, doesn't make them less of who they are.
@@xhydrox The issue is this: The minority with addictive personalities who will get sucked into these games isn't that small of a minority. It's like a 3rd, or quarter of all people. What's despicable is that these companies know what they're doing in actively exploiting people with addictive personalities. Literally feeding them a hollow skinner box of a game, relying on it for success. On something with a very low business side investment, for the sake of already embarrassingly rich executives, at the cost of the developer's health too.
Listening to Joey and Garnt trying to justify their gacha addiction cements in my mind that Connor is actually the giga brain of the podcast.
I don't really disagree with them, there are people that don't care about throwing 1000 dollars in a game for virtual waifus. If you are not harming you or others must be Ok.
But at the same time those companies can get away with the pricing and porcentages, for example in 7DS Grand Cross you can buy a full skin for 90 gems what is about 100 dollars. I'm not sure if that price for virtual clothing for a virtual character is ok because there is no regulations.
@@neociber24 i think its more the fact that you can spend up to a 1000 dollars on a game that is a problem. You might not be harming others through your choice, but you are helping by normalising these insane spending habits. And through that it fuels companies to be more scummier by worsening the already absurd pull rates because they know that they’re getting away with it.
@@neociber24 I think if you're a financially responsible person who knows that they have the self-restraint, gacha's fine. The problem is when your target demographic is teens and young adults who might not have a sense for spending money or might be in emotionally vulnerable states.
With every other addicting hobby/substance, institutions have preventative measures and offer rehabilitation. But gacha isn't seen as that serious of a thing when in reality it's bona fide gambling.
@@fl_7837 I totally agree those companies get away because there is no regulations.
But I had the believe and hope no being wrong that most of the people takes that kind of "irresponsable" behavior as a joke or as an invesment for the views, and not normalize that spending 1000$ for a virtual waifu is ok.
@@aaronyu5427 Yeah and I agree with Connor here, Gacha games must have limits or a warning.
But until there is no other scandal about microtransations maybe things will stay the same.
Connor brings up very fucking good points about gacha, gambling, how it's an addiction and how people's coping mechanisms ("sharing the pain" of losing money on gacha / gambling) plays right into the corporations' hands. I'm so proud of him making this point on a popular forum like this.
Connor was spot on for the Gacha and gaming segments of this game, I felt like Garnt and Joey were either devil's advocate defensive
"Stopping giving up on shit in life, this is why you got nothing done"
dont throw reality in my face connor
He's sraight up spittin facts
And that's why i respect him more than the other two.
@@akiMKH yeah, same
As an artist on twitter, it's the most wholesome community I have ever seen online
Took me two months to finish this episode because it gave me a n x i e t y.
Bro connor just got his respect increased. He was just spittin straight facts.
so true... as a gamer my whole podcast was just one big, damn give that man a rise finally someone who undersand
dude wtf garnt and joey went full simp mode for gacha games
Connor is my role model now on. He was already relatable enough, now he's on a whole different level of being respected
The whole gacha segment was basically Joey and Garnt trying to justify their gacha addiction to Connor. It's gambling with extra steps.
I also totally agree with the point about losing.
Losing isn't fun, however, when you're playing competitive multiplayer games like LoL or CSGO, the way you get better and improve is by learning from your defeats.
I used to be a salty bastard when I played LoL, but more recently I've been playing the game to have fun and take every game as a match up and opportunity to learn. When you outplay someone it's incredibly rewarding, so on occasion, being outplayed is part of the learning process, it makes the game more fun over time, as you improve with it.
@@SamDavies94 Yea, it can be hard to get into and maintain that mindset though. especially when you or your teamates make dumb mistakes.
@@SamDavies94 I agree, losing in and of itself is frustrating and not fun. But when you learn from why you are losing and get better, losing becomes part of the fun. Losing online team games also can help teach you patience, but I digress.
In Belgium the shop content in Gacha games is blocked because it's considered gambling. They say it's to "protect" the users, yet you can just go online and gamble your money away on the lottery (because it's government owned and apparently that's allowed). Anyway, my point is that I think people should be able to spend their money on whatever they want. Gambling remains the same whether you want to gamble in Gacha games to win a png waifu or you want to gamble to win money. It's hard to draw the line somewhere because let's say you block off the shop in gacha games, why is it that I can still go to the shop and buy Pokemon booster packs. Isn't that the same? If I'm not mistaken the booster packs don't even give you the pull rates. In the end I think it comes down to awareness and self control.
I know this is a comment on an older episode but I'm only caught up now.
P.S. love the content and keep up the good work.
"Awareness and self-control" is why driving and firearm license require courses and tests. And why medicaments, alcohol and tobacco require some restrictions. No one is prohibited from getting access to them if they are within the requirements! Your example of prohibition is ridiculous, that is true, there are drug addicts anywhere in the planet, even where such drugs are illegal.
However, your argument about double standard as your point ("if Pokemon TCG is not restricted but gacha is, then lift the restrictions on gacha") is just as bad! If for everything where double standards happen, you should double down, then legalize abortion and heroin!
At least tell me WHY you think gambling should be unrestricted, or at least why you didn't think of soft restrictions (implement caps on expenditure instead of straight out prohibition, limit to X number of accounts per IP to cut some of the account rerolls, implement cooldowns on microtransactions...)
Completely agree with you Connor! I know people that spent thousands of dollars on gacha games and then complain that they can’t afford college. College is expensive in California and saving every penny is important, but the addiction can’t be controlled. People who say “just stop” don’t understand how addictions work, and are often complete hypocrites because they’ll proceed to argue that drug addictions can’t be stopped easily.
Similarly about obesity. I recommend reading David Zinczenko’s “Don’t Blame the Eater,” as it puts into great perspective why American youth resorts to eating junk rather than healthy food
what a character arc- the antagonist has now become the true protagonist
Connor is now Trash Taste's main selling point...sorry Joey and Garnt. Hope the L isn't too heavy
Antagonist and protagonists is how it’s set they don’t necessarily have to be bad and good respectively therefore Conner is still the antagonist but is a good reasonable man and on the other side we’ve got Eren Jaegars no disrespect to any of them they’re all fucking amazing
Garnt Is the addict trying to defend his addiction while pretending it's not a problem so he can keep his addiction.
and pretending like connor is out of touch
When he said "I could just not spend any money if I wanted to, I just don't want it", that hit different.
@@christineboari131 famous line said by addicts
He's having heavy buyer's remorse.
LMAO yeah.
1:14:43 on the topic of putting something in the background while doing something, i used to do this with trash taste (i was an audio only listener on spotify) but i found that you guys are so funny so i decided to fully listen in on what you guys are really saying and to watch the videos to see your expressions and whats going on. since then ive enjoyed your content a lot more :)
This is the 1st one I’ve watched, I’ve been missing tf out, y’all killed me 💀
I'm taking Connor's side on this one, specially on the last topic, they were just ignoring the point and dismissing it because it was in the context of Mario Kart without understanding the point he was making
I'm with the other boys on this one, they threw a fit cause they don't love the game enough to bother with it and that's okay.
well connor is basically saying those 2 don't like skilled based game cause they don't like to lose. They pushed back by saying connor don't enjoy fighting game despite it's a skill based game which is kinda saying connor is being a hypocrite. (basically they saying connor standard of game isn't for everyone, despite connor criticizing them for not playing a skill based game)
@DEEPANKAR VERMA while i would agree drifting is most fun part of mk, that's not his point. His point is that he doesn't like when someone quickly gives up on a thing they themselves wanted to do. I think the problem was why the argument didn't go well was because he used mk. For a real life example, let's say somebody says they want to learn Japanese, then you try to teach them or recommend a teacher and the person gives up after the first lesson, you would be annoyed. For me, and i think Conner, this example and mk example is the same feeling, though of course mk example i would be way less anoyed then in my example. In both example a person gives up, before even reaching a point he could have seen himself getting better. It doesn't matter for me that in one example it was a game in other was a language, it doesn't matter on what thing a person gives up, the thing that is annoying is that somebody would give up on their wants, so quickly.
Edit: I know i have this opinion due to my personality, if i want to do something, i want to give it my 100% i want to be invested in it, because giving less just feels like then doing the thing is pointless. Someone giving up quickly means they weren't giving 100%, they where not invested in doing what they said they wanted to do
Side note : i think its the first argument video where i 100% agree with connor
@@BlackPeagas i agree 100%, the bois didn't even understand his point, the fact that the point connor was trying to make about the mario kart thing is that he hate that people didn't try to learn and just expect to be good at something and the bois just said that he's the same because of the fighting game thing in which connor said that he tried multiple rounds and spend time to get good but he realized that it's just not for him. like ITS THE EFFORT GOSH
I guarantee Joey is trying so hard to play devil's advocate because his girlfriend goes "Yeah whatever I don't give a shit about this stupid game" or something like that and he's pretending it's a valid opinion instead of calling out weak-minded "gamers" pussies that they are
As someone who spent nearly $7k in a gacha game (Love Live) over the past... probably five or six years with other gacha games getting about $1k (Fire Emblem Heroes and Pokemon Go), past me during my heavy spending I felt like Joey and Garnt. I was able to justify any spending I did even when someone like Connor would bring up legitimate reasons for it not being okay. Over the years I've turned into Connor. The amount of money and opportunities I lost during my gacha obsession I'll never get back. And yeah Garnt and Joey might be better than others when it comes to spending but a lot of people aren't. Connor is right to say that gacha games should be more responsible for their user base for those who aren't as responsible which is more like 30-40% of that group. Regardless of the size, that's still a large number of players.
Anyway yeah I just wanted to chime in as a gacha player.
I mean also Garnt spent thousands on gacha games just to be able to make a sponsored video about it so he came out on the otherside with a profit. Only anime youtubers can make money off gacha games, they're in a pretty good spot for getting addicted to them
You could have fed a village in Africa for 7k. Why people even spend money on games?! I just fucking delete the damn game if it's a pay to win, which literally all are except free to play fps or some other games maybe. I dunno for sure.
@Hantonio Novada My parents detest the idea of gambling or spending money on games so I guess I've been drilled with their thought process in this regard.
Even if you're trying something very addictive in nature (weed, alcohol, drugs, gambling) you're taking damage just by trying it so I just stay away from these things.
@@aperture0 Yes, it is best if everyone stayed away from anything even potentially addictive, but that's not how the world works. It would also be nice if no one committed murders or theft or assault so we wouldn't need cops. But that's just wishful thinking and doesn't help anyone or solve anything,
It’s funny for Connor to suggest a seven day wait on gacha game gambling because I feel like Connor is the most instant gratification wanting person on the podcast
Difference between climbing in competitive games and grinding in gacha games / JRPGs is that in comp games, you use actual skill and improvement to reach a goal, while in games that use grinding, you just use a lot of time and/or money. I know myself that a competetive game gives such an adrenaline rush that a mindless task such as grinding could never give
Bruh, learning a combo in a fighting game is not the same thing as learning to drift in Mario kart. A good comparison would be someone using shield in Smash bros, which isn't a complicated concept either
i had an addiction to gacha, i was behind on bills before but always manage because i could control my spending to make sure bills are paid but the rest of it went to gacha. borrowed money from my friends and i always paid them back but it would take months to pay them back. never paid my brother back the money that he lent me. i spent wayyyy to much money on games like final fantasy brave exvius to get nothing. i have no idea how much but it had to be at least over $5000 and now, my units are crap compared to the meta these days. all that money for nothing.
Connor is a king and he is right. We are too addicted and struggle. I only quit because my financial situation turned around and i knew gacha would be my end. So i quit and dont regret it.
Good thing for you, guy. These fellas haven't got the big, negative *impact* of gacha, because their job revolves around them, so they can afford it and treat it as "work expenses". Both Joey and Garnt are also have rather big fanbase and this podcast more or less will influence their fanbase too
@@derrilazkia1002 that's true but still I would argue that a big population still doesn't spend as much money as garnt does. Like garnt said , casual players do exist in gaccha.
Yeah, once the game dies then you wasted a ton of money
@@mimijeet9921 they do exist but the non casuals who spend their savings also exists, and that's connor's point is that there are people whose life are altered because of their addiction to gacha and people are allowing this to happen
@@mil_0709_ yeah that needs to stop , but I think everyone agreed to that?
This is scary. Connor is the one who sounds intelligent, responsible, and makes sense this episode. I'm way more uncomfortable than I should be.
It's just 2 dudes defending their addiction and their friend calling them out publicly
Yeah, I'm sure it's just a case of them doubling down even once they realize they're wrong/using comedy to cover it up, but Garnt and Joey really fell into the "people who have an addiction are at fault" mentality...
Imagine agreeing with a dude that doesnt like steak... I think its time to list myself to the mental hospital
@@Hoppitot I thought Joey was the one who didn't like steak.
@@fictionarch maybe cant remember they all got trash taste in food anyways XD
As someone who's into racing games, I completely agree with Connor's take on competitive gaming. Every match/race, you learn something new and improve, and as you improve you are paired with better people, and have matches that are more challenging, and if you have a healthy mindset, you'll learn to appreciate your losses and the skill of you oponent. The wins also feel much better after a challenging match/race.
About gatcha regulation and seeing the appeal of them, I'm with Connor 100%.
About gaming philosophy, I'm with Joey and Garnt. I often have the same kind of debates with my friends about gaming. I hate challenge and competition. They tried to make me play LoL and I hated it. They said I had to learn the game while playing for at least 30hrs before being good enough to fully enjoy the experience and that's already more than how much time and effort I'd put in the game in the first place. When I have 30min to play a game, I prefer progressing through a quest in a rpg, exploring more of an open world, making a run in a rogue like than doing a game of LoL and knowing half way that I'm gonna loose anyway because the other team got more kills and it'll be a long and painly game all for nothing.
But to come back on the gaming mentality, I'd say I like playing a game when it's fun. Competitive games have a cycle of you have to progress to be able to maybe win, while the games I enjoy are more like "you are wining isn't great? Let me show you that other cool thing you can do. Whoa! That part was harder, but you did it with the new powerful trick I showed you. Wanna learn more?" Easy to learn, long to master.
Note to all the rpg/character progression/buying upgrades kind of mechanics, it's great because if you are good, you'll win and if you're bad, it's easy to get the xp to make it possible for you to win. It's like a secret difficulty selection. The only thing I have to complain is when excessive grinding becomes mandatory to win or to get something specific.
It would be a no-brainer to add polls in these videos. There are so many times where a simple poll the viewers could answer would make this more engaging. The boys even tell us to say what we think, so adding polls would be so helpful.
RUclips removed polls
I guess they could make polls through community posts. What's either RUclips removing features because "not many people use them". I used them.
@@syedfakhar22 why ??
@@syedfakhar22 WHY DID I JUST NOTICE I- I used to love Connor’s polls on his vids
@@redox6548 Because half the time, RUclips doesn't have a fucking clue what it's doing
Connor is speaking real shit. Only reason why RUclipsrs aren't speaking out is because they're profiting from ad revenue to repay their gatcha debt.
Looking at you Garnt 😏
Garnt low key got the gambling bug
what
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo so has connor lol, he just promoted princess connect yesterday. At least I appreciate he talking about it and admitting to it
@@1animorph but the two boys also admits to it. The difference is that they know what Connor suggest isnt likely to work the way Connor thinks it will and tries to show that.
Connor's solution where the game ask you your limit, only works if the person has self-regulation and discipline. Most addicts won't set themselves a limit. Connor's story where casino can ban people only works when person wants to be banned. Most gamblers would die than get themselves banned. This is what the other two tries to point out to Connor. They also point that a gacha police couldn't work because they know the police can't differentiate between those that has addiction or not.
But they still agree with Connor that any measure is better than none. They just try to point out that it isn't a magic button that would solve everything.
as an artist, I understand people "overcharging" or wanting a cut if you are profiting from their art. you're paying for the work that goes into it, not the quality. when I first started out, I was charging like $20 for art that would take HOURS, and because I have like no concept of time, I wasn't even really aware of it. I started doing speedpaints, which is where you record your entire drawing session and speed it up so it's really satisfying to watch, and I've had some that legit took 10 hours. if you make yourself known enough that people will buy your art, most people are willing to pay more for your art because they like your style or specific things you draw, etc, so unless you're JUST starting out, no artist should undercharge. screw it, no one should have to work UNDER minimum wage just because they're not the best at something. and I'm disabled so I literally can't get another job, so I was living off of commissions at one point so I really couldn't afford to undercharge.
and I guess this isn't necessary per se, but I feel like it's just morally correct to give a cut to your artist when you use their art for merch or something. like, how much work did you put in just to sell some t shirts or whatever, especially compared to an artist you paid to spend hours coming up with a design for you? yeah most artists will just say that once you've paid for it, it's your art so do whatever you want with it. but it just feels wrong to be getting 100% profit from something like merch and not give a cut to the artist when it's THEIR art that you are profiting off of, not just your brand otherwise it would just be your face on a t shirt or something. I mean, I would be too shy to straight up tell someone who is commissioning me that they're not allowed to sell my art without giving me a cut, so it's really nice when the client offers it first lol.
not saying any of the guys in trash taste undercharge artists or anything, but artists just do not get enough appreciation in general. people who don't do art don't fully realize just how much skill and time goes into it.
imagine you go to a bar cause you're in the mood for a really good martini or something. In a normal bar you pay for the drink you want and you get it. if you go to the gatcha bar you pay for the chance of maybe getting the drink you want, but you're most likely not gonna be getting it.
It is so nice having connor on a podcast like this because he feels a lot more like a normal person. Gacha games are predatory, and should be regulated. As well, being able to healthily accept losing is rather important to being a well rounded individual in life.
The other two are normal people too, they didn't disagree on the fact that gacha games should be regulated, also it's a video game, if you don't want to lose then who gives a fuck, it's just a game, it's down time
I completely agree
Connor always speaks the truth. Joey is too much of an etilist about most of the things he says and idk why Garnt usually agrees with him. The only thing he said which I think he's alone in is his mentality about losing. Don't get me wrong it's a VERY healthy mindset and everyone should adopt it but most people that lose get mad that they lost amd that's ok
@@Rain_MG but they kept on walking back on it and trying to justify people legit gambling by saying people value things differently which had nothing to do with the argument in the first place
@@matheusjezini i mean at least it keeps the show interesting. It would be pretty fucking boring if they all agree on every topic they discuss would it
At the end of the day I feel that gacha is much worse than actual casinos in almost every way.
1.Gacha is portable anywhere
2. No regulation or anyone to stop you
3.there legitimately isnt any reward other than the characters that are in the game. So there is no chance for you to remotely earn it back.
Its just very addictive
Connor was right in this debate between gacha.
The running costs are also much smaller and the cash is going straight up. There is no taxation by each country, much less each city. A cassino pays for personnel and, if taxed right, they at least help fund municipal, state and federal maintenance.
Point 3 is very opinionated though, and while in casinos you might earn back money, in gachas, you earn back 'joy'. It all depends on how much a person value the character to how much a person values money. Just like a billionaire might be willing to spend a couple of hundred thousand dollars on some painting, while a more average person wouldn't spend more than a thousands bucks on it. Not a good analogy, but some may have as much fun in gambling for a character as someone has going out drinking. Gacha also depends on the game as some are much worse than others. In Genshin for example, you get a guarantee at some point ($300-400 worth) to get the promoted character, while in other gachas like FGO, you could spend $10k and still get nothing out of bad luck (saw someone actually spend a grand to get a single copy once).
@@codetime01 the problem is, you earn back joy in casinos as well, otherwise it wouldn't be addictive ya know...
@@dominikmagnus and people with addiction spend it and lose it for the hell of it, the cashino's are still bad but at least point 1 prevents you from doing it again
Edit:i meant point 2
BRUH casinos are portable what are you talking about? you can bet on any number of card games from your phone from a variety of websites. Thats what people use these days during quarantine. Also, at least people can stop at the 100-200$ pity limit in gacha, but in casinos there is no limit, going broke is much easier
“The only thing keeping me from living in America is the constant, overwhelming fear for my own safety.”
Yeah that’s fair.