I've Figured Out What to Do With All My KILL TEAMS
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- I've finally figured out what to do with my old Kill Team models - and I'll show you the first five sets and and explain it all.
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Glad your mom is doing better. I'm so glad its not just me - seems that this is a thing. The OPR games are a really decent product where rules bloat has become a barrier - a positively disruptive business model IMO. I've found myself buying more models from lots of suppliers (inc. GW, OPR Wargames Atlantic, Anvil etc) to make little teams for these games. Would love to hear more. Rock on OPR.
Completely agreed :D
I kind of stumbled upon OPR too for much of the same reasons.
GW aren't bad at making models, but for some reason the army lists fill with so much rules bloat that it just isn't fun.
And to think that after 40k 8th edition I thought they had finally understood that bit ... but when 9th came along and the cycle repeated itself again I said to myself : no more.
So yeah, OPR ... like Mantic's Deadzone/Firefight it feels kind of liberating to have a game that goes : here's the rules and here's all the factions you could possibly want.
Glad to hear your mom's doing better, Adam
Yeah, I have a similar idea about my kill teams. A tip on the models: the One Page Rules fan wiki has lists of units from OPR systems and models to be used for them from GW and Mantic if one struggle with identifying the unit by name (as I sometimes do).
Cheers to One Page Rules! Enough of GW’s abuse!!
OnePageRules rules.
The models you get with Patreon level 2 are just awesome O_O
I recommend everyone takes a look at both the models OPR has made, as well as the rules they have.
Glad to hear your mom is better, Uncle.
Yeah, I've been a OPR Patron for about three months now, and with the discount on their MMF store from the patron I've picked up a bunch of previous stuff for cheap. Awesome minis and an awesome value. Spent this weekend printing out a ton of Jackals and Alien Hives which I am going to be using with games like Space Station Zero, 5 Parsecs from Home, Stargrave, etc.. Since the last few months releases has given me demons for four different armies I may even look into getting Reign in Hell.
@@KrisHyre Reign in hell will be awesome, get on board, loving Space station Zero also and am just starting 5 parsecs from home.
I like your have-models-will-play approach; it helps stop me from agonizing too much over building and painting the most competitive or even just plainly legal teams. Pragmatic, achievable and most of all refreshing. Cheers!
I’m just still playing kill team 2018 still, I bought all the books and have more than enough factions and options to keep it interesting in our gaming group :)
Just finished my "Battle Bros" and "Orc Marauders" crews for me and my grandson to play some Firefight. I'm on board and have the same thoughts as you do in regards to this. However, I am using Puppetswar minis for mine.
As a teacher trying to get a table top gaming club up and running at my high school this was exactly what I needed. Easy to play and being small teams/armys I can crank out a couple minis on my printer for the kids for what ever faction they want to paint/play.
This is awesome! I also have recruited lots of kids to play One Page Rules and it is so refreshing not to be a slave of GW.
One Page Rules are free and they are straightforward, so great for beginners. But to consistently win, you need to develop tactics and think well ahead.
Back in the day I would have loved a table top gaming club! That's awesome.
One very inexpensive thing for kids is to print 2D minis. Wyloch has a great video on how to do this easily with a little Google searching and printing.
I'm curious, what is preventing you from playing Kill Team 2018 still if you enjoyed it so much? One of the things I love about tabletop games is you don't have to play the latest edition of things, and you can just stick to the versions you love instead. Is it just a shortage of people to play with? Or something more?
Happy to see you highlight OPR.. I'm so burnt out on 40k price hikes, release cycle and drama after decades of loving it I just don't anymore.. OPR has been filling that void and with 3d printing its easy and affordable to not only print minis to play with I can easily gift them to people I want to teach to play. Quick easy game play.. I'm loving it
Great point. 3D print, quick prime job with each army in a different color and instant gift. I've often found priming in the solid color which is most predominate saves a ton of time when you do get around to painting, but also allows you to just jump in and play without tons of grey on the table.
OPR content is great. They've really ramped up the content they are making.
I also like that people have started creating variants to incorporate other types of models, such as Xeno from the Alien movies.
Will have to see if there is a Cyberpunk variant of the Grimdark Firefight ruleset, as I think it would work well.
I'm also trying to get into Grimdark Future as an alternative to 40k, because I don't like how the rules keep changing.
One Page Rules is awesome! I've been using some 3d printed Halo models against Star Wars Legion, or Games Workshop models
If you like Kill Team 2018, why not keep playing it? I still play 8th edition of Warhammer Fantasy. Do YOUR hobby! 🧙🏻♂️🍀👍🏻
This totally.
The challenge is finding *other* people who also want to stay with a particular version. If you play at a local hobby shop, that can be tricky as it's often that people will move onto the new hotness.
Yeah, Kill Team 2021 isn't really my thing. I've really liked some of the models they have released though, I'm just not into the game all that much.
The thing I like about the streamlined nature of GF/GFF is it still feels narratively credible. It still feels like the miniatures fit with the stat lines. The factions all feel very characterful, and the points spread between smalle specialised armies vs horde armies emphasises that. A Battle Brother force looks like a small elite force vs a Human Defence Force army.
One Page Rules needs so much more advertising! So glad to hear you talk about it.
Cheers! Word of mouth is the best. I push it in any forum I can. Free, easy and fun way to scratch your 40k itch!
I think they're firefight game is not nearly as good as their larger scale grimdark future.
I did a similar thing.
I played Guard all the way back in 3rd Edition 40k, took a bit of a break, and came back briefly for 5th. Most of the Cadians got sold on, but I'm left with roughly 15 or so Valhallans with a mix of Troopers, Command, Special and Heavy Weapons.
Came across OPR and started list building with what I've got. Built up and statted everything I had.
Then the goblin came out and I bought a box of Scions to use as Stormtroopers and a box of Orlocks to use as Veterans...
I been eyeing up a box of Mechanicus Rangers for years but can't justify it. Yet.
Glad to hear your mum's doing better. Low potassium is no joke; getting a doctor's office call saying you need to go to the ED immediately is scary. Been there, done that. Hope her potassium stabilizes and she doesn't continue to have problems with it. Thanks for keeping us updated, and for all your hobby videos.
I had a look at one page rules. It seems to me they heavily leverage old 4th ed 40k. It’s good to have rules options but unless my local meta changes (which is highly unlikely), I will likely just stick with games like Frostgrave or space station zero that are even more simple and focus on getting gaming done rather than rules flipping.
I've been doing this for a few months now, including the use of Horus Heresy as Battle Brother 🤣
I am now pulling out all sorts of old games to strip the models out for OPR GDFF such as Gangs Of Commorragh, Silver Tower and AT43!
One thing to note is that the OPR rules include kinda focus on both GW but also Mantic Games and it's Deadlands minis, stuff like the Ratman and Dwarf Guilds. Then there's the Jackals, who were apparently Kroot but have gotten so many options I'm glad they did standalone models for them.
Seems like Necromunda Gangs could be adapted to OPR Grimdark Firefight.
Playing my first game of Grimdark Future tomorrow. Looking forward to getting into it the OPR eco-system.
First, glad your mom is doing well. Second, OPR is amazing, fun, fast and easy to play. Thanks for promoting it.
Yea new KT doesn't interest me as much as the older one. It's a fine game but my group would rather play 40k more at this point.
Glad your mum is doing better! Have the same problem, build Eldar for KT 1.0, Wraithguard and Banshees and now I can only use Guardians and Dire Avengers, bad move from GW. But I swore myself not sell anything anymore that I painted. So I guess they need to be used as proxies for other systems.
I love Grimdark Future. Some of the OPR armies are based on Mantic models. I think Feudal Guard are from another model maker.
The infected are Mantics plague
Please more of onepagerules! Great Video!
Glad to here Mom is doing better.
OPR also lets you mix factions for the Big Army version... sure you could do the same for FireFight.... it's a nice game.
that Heavy Flamer is clearly a SpecOps Heavy Flamer, dealing the damage of a heavy flamer in the size of a standard one duh.
Fantastic news at the start. One Page Rules sounds fantastic. Hopefully it can get more people playing as they can pick up cheaper models from 40K that are not the meta any more. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Glad to hear your mom is feeling better Uncle Atom; As for the video topic, I think the same about the New Kill Team, in The previous edition you could go after the fantastic models you wanted in your collection and use them relatively easily in your game. Forces could be mix and match with what you wanted in your team. But now you have one unit, like Tau pathfinder and that's it. I also see a lot of tournament play and as a casual gamer, I don't tend to do well in that arena. One thing I still enjoy with games like Necromunda and Warcry is the number-crunching homework before the game in trying the best combination of the choices I have, the new kill team gets rid of that, I think the number of players will start to drop as the game goes on for those reasons.
Great vid. And yeah - Grimdark Future: Firefight is such a great intro into war gaming. Don't forget you can use the point calculator with it, as well! Make completely custom heroes for your teams.
Not all their armies are GW inspired as far as I know, beyond their STL armies that is. Heck I think there's even a "make your own army" builder if you are a patron (As in, make the rules and units, and it calculate the points)
That's the beauty of the One Page Rules games, it's made so anyone who owns some models can play with anyone who owns some models.
Can confirm the custom army builder, I'm using it to make various heroes and characters for established armies. They are revising it and will soon release a 2.0 version.
Happy your mom is doing better. Thanks for the video. I downloaded the free version of Firefight and Future, but haven't really tried it yet. This video is inspiring me to build some Firefight lists and give it a try. Thanks.
I have recruited many kids and adults into the hobby with OPR. Free, easy and fun way to scratch your 40k itch! Tired of the abuse from GW!!
Glad your mum is doing better, Uncle.
This video is great, thanks for the effort with it.
Like you I was a bit bummed by the change to the new version of Kill Team, and love that you’ve been getting into One Page Rules. Would love to see you do a bat rep or two of this one.
Glad to hear she's doing better! I feel the same about KT 21 vs. KT 18. I tried KT 21 for the first time just a couple weeks ago and it's just a bit too arcadey/boardgamey and more restrictive feeling than KT 18 for me. I might try it a bit more in the future but only because that's the only skirmish gaming scene in my area unfortunately.
thanks for the awesome review and endorsement of something i discovered through you and am so much happier i play than the fore mentioned, 2021 version of - you know.
Best wishes for your mom's recovery.
I love GDF Firefight! I've been playing Ork Marauders, Plague Brothers, Robot Legions , and some others with my son. Using my old Killteams!!!
Glad your mom is doing better! On a different note, "I don't know, it's sci-fi, man" gave me a good chuckle :)
Really glad to hear everything's going better with your mom!
I am also in the boat that I went from having tons of Kill Teams I loved in 2018 and now I have some new ones but I never want to play the newer KT (on top of my friend's group not liking the new one and then drifting out). I think I am going to try out OPR with this stuff, hopefully soon.
Glad to hear your mom is recovering. Hope she continues to improve. Thanks for what you do.
very glad to hear your mother is doing better.
Your enthusiasm around Kill Team was one of the factors that really got me into it and I was lucky enough to have not dived too deeply before KT21 released, so i never felt that burn of having to start over. I'm quite enjoying the new edition (ESPECIALLY into the dark) and was kinda bummed that you didnt seem to like it. But I'm excited to see you find something to do with your old teams. I've heard great things about One Page Rules and a bunch of my favorite content creators have been picking them up. Seems like a great system, I'll have to give it a whirl.
“Idk it’s sci-fi man”- grimdark future summed up in one line
Whoa!!! Thanks for sharing this army builder. It was the missing link for me. Now I can lay out my many models of a particular type and just build a new list then play!
So I'm new to 40k. Been here a few weeks. Having a great time. I think I like painting more than I like playing. Anyway -- I think you need to talk to somebody, amigo. You seem really stressed out and resentful about GW. And stuff. It's gonna be OK, amigo. We're playing games -- and you're making beautiful, well-lit videos. We gonna be ok, King!
Pour one out for unplayed Tyranid Kill Teams...
OPR has reinvigorated my gaming life. Was so tired of constant rules changes and book bloat. OPR is a breath of fresh air.
News of Mom's good health is the most important thing in the already interesting video
Glad to hear you Mom is doing better :)
I did the same thing! I switched to OPR Grimdark Firefight and I love it! Can use all my GW models, and its so much easier and streamlined!
For OPR you pretty much have to have a 3D printer it seems to me. I just backed them on Patreon but all you get is STL files unless I’m blind
Good to hear she's better, best of luck to you both
Need to look this one page rule stuff out, sounds great.
me my wife and my friends have been playing Grimdark Future and Age of Fantasy games from one page rules.. we have been playing both games playing with 750 points so we can all find the armies we like and get the rules under our belts.. what we all like about OPRs is we can take GW models with D&D models we have and 3d prints models.. and it is made it where we have a fun creative armies that we are all enjoying building.. it makes it where all of our armies are super cool and to each of our personalities...
+1 for more OPR content. would love to see some batreps
Yea... One Page Rules write games well. Plus the army builder is top notch!
Started video. Followed the suggestion to watch "What Do I Do With My lllegal Kill Teams?" which suggested I watch "What If Your Army Gets Nerfed?" which suggested "Worrying About Change in Wargaming". I see what you did there. Time traveler.
"I don't know.. its scifi man."
Can someone print this on Tshirt please?
One Page Rules is quite amazing. They also have their own answer to Necromunda (that is much more streamlined) and a decent AI ruleset for solo gaming.
I would love to see more content on One Page Rules!
Grim Dark Future and Age of Fantasy games are FREE. It's only the expanded rulebook that costs money (or you get it for free as a Patreon. The Patreon gives you the 3D models every month. I've been with them for over a year now and I have almost 6 armies for Grim Dark Future and about four for Age of Fantasy. Some of these model sets, like the Alien Hives, I think are just better than the GW equivelents.
Also, you can run different point amounts for Grim Dark Future Firefight, its just they reccomend 650 or so to get started while you get used to the rules, it's nice to bump up the points to 1500 for a size closer to Kill Team or Warcry. Can't wait til all the Suarian Starhost set is complete. Common, space lizards in power armor?; it's a no-brainer, lol.
Welcome to the OPR club!
This is the way. One Page Rules is the way. Free rules are the way. Pay for minis, not for rules.
Actually, I prefer Infinity's Army 7 army builder than the one from One Page Rules... but they are BOTH FREE! And that's great!!
OPR, not only a fun game to play, but also offers good value for rules and Patreon. The OPR Patreon sub has supplied more mini STLs that I can print and paint! I'd be curious to hear how you like OPR Age of Fantasy rules, especially as compared with Warcry. OPR AoF:S includes everything you need to play. I like that Warcry rules PDF is available, but they left out a few things you need to play like the deployment cards, tokens, .etc.
I just saw the video regarding your mother and happy is she is doing better.
OPR and TMC have some excellent stls for printing for your wargaming needs...and I completely appreciate this comment "...its your stuff you can decide what you want to do with it..." (summarized)...that is the truth of this hobby.
ALL of OPR's games are freaking awesome. Not only are the skirmish-level games of Grimdark and Fantasy my favorites of the whole bunch, I use the even more simplistic game "Warstuff" from their One-Off games section to introduce my 7 year old to tabletop wargaming with his Lego minifigures!
Gotta chime in for OPR.
Buy a month of Patreon, get the Unit Points Calculator, make custom everything. Leave 'Counts As' behind.
(Also, glad to hear about your Mom.)
I'm glad your mom is doing better. OPR has been amazing for my gaming group. We're getting ready to play our first Grim Dark Future tournament this month
Very good to hear your mom is doing better.
So, something a little left field... Today I had to give evidence in court. I really like how you explain things, and I have problems with talking too fast / being scattered. So, I just copied how you explain things, and gave evidence. It went really well! Thank you sir :)
Army Forge is great as a builder I still greatly prefer something like Army Builder from Corvus Belli for Infinity but it's a chalk and cheese argument given how Army Forge is over multiple system's!
Still blows many other companies offerings out of the water and it's free!!!
Must be something in the air because my buddies and I are well into GDF:FF at the moment, partway through a Gang War (1PR Necromunda) campaign :) Glad your Mum is doing well.
I'm glad to hear your mother, is doing better, thanks for this video, I don't know 2018 kill team, I just approached it, and I really like it, but my life mate says, for her is a little bit too "strategic", and as you said in another video I didn't push, but maybe with the one page rules, everything will be simpler, I'll try. Thank you
I've always been told that GW makes rules to sell models so it's no surprise they cram those rules with a lot nonsense and bespoke mechanics. OPR is a great little system. I also play 5 Parsecs From Home and Space Weirdos. Thing is, I like a system that doesn't use a bunch of Army Books and need some Army Builder to sort it out. It's kind of my crunch threshold and why Space Weirdos is probably going to be my preferred system.
I am in the same boat. I got into 40k with 8th edition. I could keep up with the rules but the smaller scale games seemed a little stale. A friend and I split the Killteam starter box and played the heck out of it with some minor changes to the flesh wound system. We both ended up with 4 or 5 kill teams each. KT2021 didn't really work for us so we kept playing the old rule set. Some coworkers wanted to play and OPR really made it easy to introduce new wargamers to the hobby. We lent out teams, one guy actually glued legos to 28mm bases to use as guard. We got 4 converts out of that and even had a little competitive season over lunch hours. Big ups to One Page Rules for slim and trim easy to teach rules and fun games.
With your love for streamlined skirmish games, you should really try Marvel Crisis Protocol ones. It's real good. And you don't have to play colorful spandex when there evil aliens in Black Order running around.
I like Kill Team 2021 much better than 2018. However I do get the frustration of the new version of a game making your list obsolete. There are quite a few indie games out there that you can use your Kill Teams for. Star Breach is another good one that maps to GW models as well.
I've heard a lot of people refer to KT 2021 as KT 2nd Edition. Which, let's be honest, just makes everything easier.
Totally with you tbh, the 'shapes instead of numbers' play, the compendium being unusable and the really werrd line of sight rules are all annoyances. But not being able to list build (and re-use any of your existing teams if you built since Elites came out) totally killed my enthusiasm for what used to be one of my favourite GW games.
Glad your mum is on the mend.
I like the idea of OPR:GDF:FF. Fewer rules, more streamlined, less hitch moments, and it is easier for casual players to pick up.
I really need to get with OPR. I'm still satly about the new KT. I know people like it, but I had so many teams already made that are now not legal. I loved the 100 point budget and making cool lists, versus bespoke teams.
Love these new Fire Fight teams. I don't have any 40k but I've always loved a lot of the models.
The smaller scale of this game makes it seem much more approachable than most games in the genre and a great excuse to grab a bunch of different models.
I'll have the check the fantasy game as well!
Well, you’ve convinced me. I just got the full rulebook for GFF and for the gang wars add on.
Looking forward to giving them a go 😊
Go Mother Atom!
Why not continue playing the old rules though? It seems that if a new edition of a rules set comes out, people (myself included) either switch to the new rules or switch game altogether. They rarely stay. I can't figure out what drives this.
OPR is basically the only way I can play. The rules are light, quick but flavourful. Great use for your models!
this is the first video of yours I watch but I can't overstate how glad I am your mom is doing better, hope she's 100% soon!
Sad to say. On Saturday night i had tontake my Mother in law to the ER. The thought was mini strokes. Turns out was adverse reaction to medication given 2 weeks ago. She came home late yesterday. Just odd things. Im glad she is doing better
I love one page rules. Not only are they free rules and model agnostic but introducing a new player to the game is WAY WAY easier than Warhammer 40k
I’ve ordered a 3d printer and I’ve subscribed to OPR. Grimdark Future: Firefight here I come
Great video. Totally agree. KT22 is overly complicated and OPR does the trick.
Those Necron models are awesome! I love that metal color! Do you have a video with the recipe?
I do: ruclips.net/video/ZTLFf1eOP2w/видео.html Thanks for watching!
100% man their beta online list building has to be one of the best army builders going - so easy and by the very nature of having a max of 3 stats per unit (if you include tough, which not all have) its so easy to look at.
I love OPR. Their patreon has an incredible amount of amazing models. Random question, what is that shirt from? Is it the leviathan cross/sulfur symbol with a crown above it?
It’s merch for our game released last year, Reign in Hell. We’ll be opening our Snarling Badger Studios merch store soon. Thanks for watching!
Harrah! Thats good news!
Oh yeah, glad you got a good run with OPR. The armies are super diverse and decently balanced.
I'm pretty much in the same position that you are re: Kill Team, so this is very helpful. Thanks. 🙂
I keep wanting to get more Gee Dub stuff, but then you make these videos and I realize how much I hate the prices of Gee Dub.
We are still playin Killteam 1 Ed. Love this! Probably never gonna play 2 Ed.
Been hearing more and more about One Page Rules. Definitely checking it out later today.
They do have a wiki where unit equivalencies between OPR and GW are spelled out.
What I liked about KT18 was that it was 40k lite. It was a great way to get used to 40k’s ruleset.
That's exactly why I didn't like it haha.
Glad to hear she is doing better.
Really good news about your mum, best wishes from London England