There are 2 things God could do anything about it. 1st is to twist the free will of human and angelic beings to obey HIM which HE had created. 2nd is God can't change HIS mind or deny HIS own words or oaths whichever He has spoken or taken.
Spurgeon said, “This passage nobody understands, though some think they do. It is for our good to be made to feel that we do not know everything. The point which is clear is that Jesus suffered though innocent, we also must be willing to suffer at the hands of the ungodly.”
Pastor John, I too have had this question also towards family that recently passed. This is the text that was revealed to me. God bless and thanks for the share! Luke 16:19-31 King James Version
I don't believe that passage is speaking of the New Heavens and Earth and the Lake of Fire. Instead, it is a waiting place for the dead to be resurrected for the final judgement. The reason I conclude this, is because we will be given new bodies. As for those in torment, they will be cast into the lake of fire. I don't believe we will be able to see them, because Revelation 21 states there will be no more sin, death or suffering. If we could still see loved ones across a gulf, we would still be suffering for them that perish.
I think sometimes us believers (in the Western world) forget that there are BILLIONS of people in other parts of the world who have never been properly introduced (or introduced at all!) to the Gospel. There are hundreds of millions of Hindus, Chinese communists, African spiritualists, etc. who have never heard the Gospel (and hundreds of millions of Muslims who have been taught, through no fault of their own, that the Gospel is false). I cannot believe that God truly ONLY gives them a chance in this one life to come to know Jesus (even when they literally cannot come to know about Him in any way, shape or form) and that, if they don't, then that is it for them. I hate the idea (that many Christians seem to love) that we are the few "chosen" ones and everyone else can just suffer and burn in hellfire because they were not lucky enough to be born into a Western Christian country. This is ridiculous and I'm sure that Jesus, because he died for EVERY SOUL and because he loves EVERYONE (not just you and me as believers), must have some way of reaching that poor North Korean woman in a prison camp, or that young Chinese communist working 12 hours a day in a factory, or that young Hindu man worshipping Kali in Calcutta. Seriously! This makes me so mad that some of us believers seem so happy and quick to condemn the rest of the world and not believe that God, in His infinite wisdom and power, has some way of truly reaching everyone.
@@troywright359 Yes, that’s true, but I really struggle with the idea that 90% of the world population will not go to heaven simply because they were born in the wrong place or time. I mean, that could have been us if we hadn’t been born in a time and place that has the Gospel. In addition, I’ve heard that apparently even believers can have a hard time getting into heaven if they are not fully committed to their faith and doing what they are supposed to be doing.
@whiteprisms3123 I think almost all adults go to hell at least 99% of them. There's no way 1% of the current adult population around the world is saved.
It's amazing how one verse can be interpreted in many ways. I don't know either, but I will keep meditating on that, tho. Something we may all ask God for understanding in the mean of this.
I believe Jesus was making a proclamation to all in hell especially satan that He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords alive forever more and is taking the keys to hell and death.
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John is a great teacher. Texts like this one in Peter raise many strange questions that can cause much confusion, but this is a sound exhortation, even though we are not completely sure of the interpretation
Thank you Pastor John for providing an interpretation which does not go beyond that which is written. Your broader context, but still within Peter's epistle, brings clarity. And, is it not possible that Peter is also stressing the urgency of spreading and heeding the Gospel with Matthew 24: 36-39 in mind? Blessings!🙋🏼♂️📖⛪
@@Alien1375 Humility is how Jesus became God 😅just hope it won’t be too late by then for you 🙏🏽God knows all hearts, forgives all who ask through His most worthy Son, Jesus.
@@Alien1375 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God. Isaiah 58:2 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. Zephaniah 2:3
@@daven8905 I posted a response yesterday, but now it is missing. Here it is again. A link to a short video in which Dr. Heiser explains it very well. By the way please let know your thoughts after viewing it. 👍 ruclips.net/video/TU0n1aFyiC0/видео.html
@@mbgrafix thanks for sharing. It’s okay. JM has a whole sermon on it, so it is much more developed and much more biblical, but they’re on a similar track for sure.
Amen. They were the fallen angels who taught people forbidden knowledge and impregnated women, and we're imprisoned in Tartarus. It makes sense why Peter mentioned Noah because those things happened in his time and so, foretelling about the baptism through the water. This story parallels what Jude talks about in the book of Enoch.
@@amethyst12 He mentions Noah because it is in like figure of the testament of these days, wherein the people chosen of God seek to prepare the ark for the destruction to come. In this then, they are disobedient because though they see the works of the saints and perceive the words we speak, yet deny that they must escape through the Ark, the Son of God.
I'd say it was to show how great God's grace is and to glorify the power of Christ all the more by saving even those who died under the law - because God does not contradict himself in sending His Son to ransom us from the law and thus those who died under the law may have grace/also because God is fair. This is how I see God. I do not believe there are any more second chances... we all have more second chances than we need because of Jesus... I also think God allows righteous people to die and unrighteous people to live because of what is to come...
Amen and amen brother. You have seen what I have seen that God allows the righteous to perish from the evil that is to come. Also I would say that to those who died Jesus is able to testify of the grace of God because he also died under the law, killing the law. If the law is now dead, and those who walked accordingly have no more righteousness in it, God must needs preach to them also this dispensation of his righteousness, though they already knew, that the name in which they must trust might be made manifest for what it is. Though this could just be one of several ways to look at it, I've found most verses have at least six true ways of seeing them.
Knowing the nature of Jesus, I feel like he died for unbelievers too. When he was persecuted, he spoke of his oppressors, “they know not what they do”. If someone who practices another religion or none at all, they don’t know the importance of Jesus. Say if they lived almost perfect lives and believed something else like Buddhism or Muslim, they’re suppose to suffer an eternity in hell?
"I believe so. Jesus said, 'I am the truth, the way, and the life.' The crucial element is the Holy Spirit; upon receiving it, your perspective transforms, your spirit rises, understanding becomes clearer, and you gain strength, as referenced in Corinthians."
Yes, Jesus taught eventual universal salvation: "I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32) "You [God] have given him [Jesus] authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him." (John 17:2) These two go together: "The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand." (John 3:35) "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out" (John 6:37) ruclips.net/video/0ZgIPmUptoU/видео.html The rest of the Bible does too: John 1:29, 4:42, Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,26, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3.
Undeniably, the 1st Peter passage is difficult one to understand with any certainty. For me, it helps to understand that Jesus could not have preached to dead humans. Dead people are "asleep" in Bible language. They are all the way dead, not part dead and part alive. ✴ _His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish_ (Psalms 146: 4, KJV)
Jesus may have been talking to the Angels that sinned and left heaven to sleep with the daughters of men. (Gen. 6). 1Peter 3:19 may tie to 2Peter 2:4 The spirits in prison are potentially the Angels. Both passages bring up Noah too.
Revelation Chapter 22, the last chapter of the Bible, has some intriguing verses: Rev. 22:14 -- "Blessed are those who wash ('are washing') their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates." Rev. 22:17a -- "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come.'" Rev. 22:17c -- "And let the one who is *thirsty* come; let the one who desires take the water of life^ without price." Since believers are accounted for in Rev. 22:17a, the *thirsty* ones in Rev. 22:17c must be non-believers -- those who are outside of the heavenly city in the lake of fire. Who else is there? I believe, with God's help (Malachi 3:2-3), one day they will finish "washing their robes" (that is, being punished and purified in the probably symbolic lake of fire) and then will then be able to enter the heavenly city. For those who disagree, how you understand these verses? ^The river of the water of life was introduced in Rev. 22:1
Not only with the passage's specific context, but also with the full scope of Scripture we see that there is not much of an indication that there's a "second chance" after death. Consider the parable of the Foolish and the Wise Virgins. The Wise took care of business before the bridegroom arrived. The Foolish did not, and they didn't get a second chance. If there is a Second Chance then that is left to God's Will alone. If that's what he decides to do, amazing, because we want all people to be saved. But we shouldn't try to base sound doctrine on thoughtful suppositions, especially when we have the chance to accept the truth now, and we know it is a guarantee!
There will always be an opportunity for anybody to repent: Rev. 22:17 (ESV): "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price." Even in the New Heaven & New Earth, repentance will be possible. The only requirement is being thirsty and being non-elect (since the elect Bride along with the Spirit is who is giving this invitation). Other verses which imply an opportunity for all to repent are Psalm 22:27-29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isaiah 45:22-25, John 12:32, Romans 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36a, 1 Cor. 15:22,28, Rev. 5:13. If only one-tenth of the attention was given to Romans 11:32 as is given to Romans 9:22. For more, see George Sarris' _Heaven's Doors_ and The Total Victory of Christ's videos. God bless!
Rom 3:18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God Why doesn't the verse say "suffered once for the sins of the elect"? Does this mean Jesus suffered for ALL sins?
what do you mean by this.. yes judgement, but do you mean that anyone who is unsaved is just un worthy and should fend for themself, because to me that just sounds horrible and unimaginable
Just because judgement comes after death, it does not mean that souls cannot repent or that God no longer loves unbelievers after they die. What? While unbelievers are alive, God would die for them (in the form of Jesus) but right after they die God no longer loves them?
Jesus has no need to preach to the damned they already rejected him and received their just reward. Who he went to preached to was those who believed in him, but died with minor sins. You have to take into consideration that they couldn't step over into heaven because 1. They were still unclean/soul dirty from sin. 2. The veil hadn't been tourn allowing believers those whose name are in the lambs book of life, to go from one side to the next. So now Jesus truly shows Himself as "the way" to the Father. The souls had to wait for Him/Jesus to open those prisons and set them free. The souls in the mean time had to go through a period of purgation/cleansing before they could enter the presence of the Father. Look at it as entering a lobby to a house, where before you go into the main house, you take off all those outer layers of clothes (coat, boots, hat, gloves, scarf) before you enter the main house. The souls had to be stripped of their layers of clothes/sins before they enter into the presence of the Father. #purgatory
Chance has nothing to do with being saved at all. Since faith is a gift of God and salvation is all of God and none of mans will or carnal nature, then it is not left to chance for God to accomplish His will that ALL mankind be saved. Why? Because nothing is impossible for God and He declares He will accomplish all His will and all His desires, which is that all be saved. (Isa 46:10 and 1 Tim 2:3-4)
A second chance “at salvation after death”? I would think one should first be asking if BELIEVERS get a second chance. That question has never and likely never will be substantiated because it bases a conclusion upon the “supernatural”. And believing something doesn’t make a something true or fact-based. The supernatural is a realm that lies “outside” the natural order. There is no way to detect it, observe it in action, measure it, test it, etc. There is no instrumentation that can extract ANYTHING from the supernatural realm. And there is no way to confirm a direct causal link between the supernatural and the natural. So to even consider “salvation” after life is a waste of intellectual energy for Anyone.
Hello Paster john , i have life long question. Was the apostle paul , a true apostle? In Genesis , we look , the serpent comes directly after God , and paul comes directly after Jesus and his chosen apostles. We see the serpent says your eyes will be opened, paul was sent to open eyes too. Was paul came after 7 years from the cross , that was time of tribulation of the church, as john said last hour of the anti christ . Paul claims by himself to be an apostle of the true Jesus, with out any 3 witnesses. He claims by himself that he met Jesus . But I really, no one knows if Jesus was revealed to him. The anti christ has wounds that took him till death and healed , then many follow him . What is the wound that was in paul that is mentioned in galatian , he spokes openly the truth , saying you accept me like Christ, do I become your enemy because I speak the truth? He means i am false christ (the truth), but you accept me as Christ (that is the lie) . What is the wound or thorn that is mentioned in Corinthians, is that the thorn of the anti christ , that is mentioned in revelation? The anti christ has a seal , paul said when you accept my gospel you are sealed . Why paul came by his name , as christ said the opposer will come by his name and you will accept him? all his letters start by his name , he said my gospel too. Why all the churches i asia left him ? Why some apostles rise against him and said the resurrection is passed? Does paul came 3 yrs and half after the cross , and continued his teaching 3yrs and half , then imprisoned? Why pauls teaching is like flood spread to all the world , like in revelation mentioned flood teaching flowed by the anti christ ? Why pauls teaching is mentioned more than Christs teaching by any pastor ? The true Christ is our foundation. If paul doesn’t teach Christs teaching, he is not worthy of following. If paul doesn’t show , that christs teaching is true , he is false apostle. If he doesn’t lead men to the faith of true Christ, he is false apostle. But i never found any false teaching . He said christ is revealed to me by himself, he himself is the proof . Even the enemy lies from himself, he is the proof of himself for his lie. In job the enemy stand with sons of God in heaven , paul claims to stand in third heaven , by himself, no body saw him when he go and turn back , like they saw Jesus when he go and truen back too. Anti christ shows himself as christ, the devil shows himself as angel of light, so how can we be sure the true Christ met paul? Paul was captured by the Christ (true or false we don’t know) in gentiles land, why? But all the apostles was from israel land ? Why he is the only apostle who teach we are above the law ? He said , where there is no law , there no transgressions , is this not the lawless one? Who mades no dark and light? No good and bad but all is allowed and lawful? Is that freedom ok ? Its all the generations question. Why there are 12 foundations and 12 names of apostles in revelation? Is pauls name there of not? Is paul really a master builder ? No master builder than christ, no foundation than christ. We believe in the true crucified Christ, who was on the cross, who chose the 12 apostles. He may be revealed to paul , in Damascus , but We don’t know , how we can be sure? Do you believe the Christ who was revealed to paul is the true Christ? No proof , only blind faith can accept it , as true. We learn a lot from desiring God , and we need a more proof on this question please , thanks! If christ ask , who told you , i chose paul as my apostle? Paul. Who told you , i sent paul to teach you? Paul. Who told you , paul have my gospel? Paul. Who told you i am revealed to paul Damascus? Paul. Who told you , you are above the law? Paul. Who told you this and that ? Paul. Paul stands as proof of himself. Is pauls teaching and pauls apostle ship and pauls Christ ,….paul himself? Why his apostleship is in question many times , have i not seen Jesus? I am apostle I don’t lie? He says you are my proof that i am an apostle ? He is very careful in his letters , starting by paul apostle of Christ? Why so an so on . I read your book why i love the apostle paul , but we need other book , who is paul ? Is he an apostle? Just before loving him. We know before Adam was deceived by the serpent who cames to teach after the teaching of God , why paul cames to teach after the teaching of Christ? Christ is the standard of any teaching, we chose christ to be our foundation, not 12 apostles or paul. Even if the 12 apostles or 1 paul , doesn’t teaching of Christ, they have to be rejected. But if they teach Christs doctrine we have to accept them , christ gave authority to the 12, but to paul may be , not sure . We don’t have to look the enemy is coming only , but may came also, normally he build his foundation in genesis just in the beginning with God , even now may be after christ. Shortly who is paul , is he true apostle of true Christ? Tganks
They killed Paul, which is the greatest proof I think, (remember those who hate you hated me first) and if anyone casts out demons in my name do not discourage them, for if they aren't against us, then they are for us. Aswell as Satan cannot cast out Satan but according to the demon, they knew Jesus and Paul. But Paul isn't the anti-Christ I think because whoever doesn't take the seal cannot buy or sell and that wasn't the case for Paul. And God will preserve his Word as seen in revelations, anyone who tries to add or subtract from the Word will be plagued with all diseases written in this book.
The bigger picture and question is why did God create so very many who ultimately will not seek salvation through Jesus Christ? Why create them in the first place when only a few will be saved? This in my mind does not seem Godly, in fact it seems more of a man made contrivance of the nature of God. Since man is by nature full of folly, then it is not likely their understanding of God and His doings is also full of folly? The self proclaimed learned of this world will be as babes before the wisdom of God. So we all should take what they say and teach with a grain of salt. Let us continue in faith, believing we are saved and letting God Himself determine in the end all who will be saved. It may be more than think, so stop being another’s judge!
@@arthurjenkins382 Yes we all will be judged after we die. But following the judgment, the unsaved will be punished and purified in the Lake of Fire so that they can eventually enter heaven. See my post from a month ago for details. God bless!
Once you cast your own son into hell, you are disqualified to represent God. John Piper is a disqualified false teacher. When you die, if you believe in hell, you will be corrected and adjusted. Stop ruing your life on false piety.
God is not bounded by anything. He is sovereign!
I agree. God is more powerful than hell or man-made theology.
Can God create a rock so hard he can't carry it?
There are 2 things God could do anything about it. 1st is to twist the free will of human and angelic beings to obey HIM which HE had created. 2nd is God can't change HIS mind or deny HIS own words or oaths whichever He has spoken or taken.
Spurgeon said, “This passage nobody understands, though some think they do. It is for our good to be made to feel that we do not know everything. The point which is clear is that Jesus suffered though innocent, we also must be willing to suffer at the hands of the ungodly.”
Check out Dr. Michael Heiser's explanation. It makes perfect sense.
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Pastor John,
I too have had this question also towards family that recently passed. This is the text that was revealed to me. God bless and thanks for the share! Luke 16:19-31 King James Version
I don't believe that passage is speaking of the New Heavens and Earth and the Lake of Fire. Instead, it is a waiting place for the dead to be resurrected for the final judgement. The reason I conclude this, is because we will be given new bodies. As for those in torment, they will be cast into the lake of fire. I don't believe we will be able to see them, because Revelation 21 states there will be no more sin, death or suffering. If we could still see loved ones across a gulf, we would still be suffering for them that perish.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way! Jesus is the way the truth and the life.
I think sometimes us believers (in the Western world) forget that there are BILLIONS of people in other parts of the world who have never been properly introduced (or introduced at all!) to the Gospel. There are hundreds of millions of Hindus, Chinese communists, African spiritualists, etc. who have never heard the Gospel (and hundreds of millions of Muslims who have been taught, through no fault of their own, that the Gospel is false).
I cannot believe that God truly ONLY gives them a chance in this one life to come to know Jesus (even when they literally cannot come to know about Him in any way, shape or form) and that, if they don't, then that is it for them. I hate the idea (that many Christians seem to love) that we are the few "chosen" ones and everyone else can just suffer and burn in hellfire because they were not lucky enough to be born into a Western Christian country.
This is ridiculous and I'm sure that Jesus, because he died for EVERY SOUL and because he loves EVERYONE (not just you and me as believers), must have some way of reaching that poor North Korean woman in a prison camp, or that young Chinese communist working 12 hours a day in a factory, or that young Hindu man worshipping Kali in Calcutta. Seriously! This makes me so mad that some of us believers seem so happy and quick to condemn the rest of the world and not believe that God, in His infinite wisdom and power, has some way of truly reaching everyone.
I don't think everyone goes to heaven
@@troywright359 Yes, that’s true, but I really struggle with the idea that 90% of the world population will not go to heaven simply because they were born in the wrong place or time. I mean, that could have been us if we hadn’t been born in a time and place that has the Gospel. In addition, I’ve heard that apparently even believers can have a hard time getting into heaven if they are not fully committed to their faith and doing what they are supposed to be doing.
@whiteprisms3123 I think almost all adults go to hell at least 99% of them. There's no way 1% of the current adult population around the world is saved.
You're not alone in this thought, I'm with you
Some good context from Pastor John and a nice quote from Luther
help us to know and understand your word better Lord
It's amazing how one verse can be interpreted in many ways. I don't know either, but I will keep meditating on that, tho. Something we may all ask God for understanding in the mean of this.
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I believe Jesus was making a proclamation to all in hell especially satan that He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords alive forever more and is taking the keys to hell and death.
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And Peter had the nerve to say "some of the things Paul writes is hard to understand." ;)
John is a great teacher. Texts like this one in Peter raise many strange questions that can cause much confusion, but this is a sound exhortation, even though we are not completely sure of the interpretation
Thank you Pastor John for providing an interpretation which does not go beyond that which is written. Your broader context, but still within Peter's epistle, brings clarity. And, is it not possible that Peter is also stressing the urgency of spreading and heeding the Gospel with Matthew 24: 36-39 in mind?
Blessings!🙋🏼♂️📖⛪
Agreed! I've never heard this view before, but I believe it makes the most sense.
It's not a second chance.
Every minute of your life on earth is a chance to accept Jesus as your saviour.
Still waiting till he comes around and ask me personally.
@@Alien1375 Humility is how Jesus became God 😅just hope it won’t be too late by then for you 🙏🏽God knows all hearts, forgives all who ask through His most worthy Son, Jesus.
@@Alien1375 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God. Isaiah 58:2
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. Zephaniah 2:3
Why is praying the right prayer and asking Jesus into your heart good enough? Why is THAT what makes everything right?
@@mattr.1887 it’s not. It’s following Gods Law and truly believing that Jesus died for our sins that sets things right.
Appreciate the commentary and I agree with the view. Bad title for the video though. I didn’t get what I came for.
Who else feels that the Spirit of Christ is still preaching to us, in this case through father John?
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Interesting interpretation
No one shall perish
NOPE! “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”-Hebrews 9:27
The rich man and lazarus would indicate not!
John McArthur has the best answer on this, in my opinion, but this is a nice interpretation too.
Have you heard Dr. Michael Heiser's explanation?
@@mbgrafix I haven’t! What does he say?
@@daven8905
I posted a response yesterday, but now it is missing. Here it is again. A link to a short video in which Dr. Heiser explains it very well.
By the way please let know your thoughts after viewing it. 👍
ruclips.net/video/TU0n1aFyiC0/видео.html
@@mbgrafix thanks for sharing. It’s okay. JM has a whole sermon on it, so it is much more developed and much more biblical, but they’re on a similar track for sure.
@@daven8905
Indeed...I subscribe to Grace To You and hear Johnny Mac's sermons weekly. Absolutely a favorite mine as well. 😉
The answer is you can't lose your salvation. Once saved by Jesus always saved.
Enoch.
1 Peter 3 Jesus is preaching to the 'watchers'. The spirits are the same spirits of Jude
Amen. They were the fallen angels who taught people forbidden knowledge and impregnated women, and we're imprisoned in Tartarus. It makes sense why Peter mentioned Noah because those things happened in his time and so, foretelling about the baptism through the water. This story parallels what Jude talks about in the book of Enoch.
@@amethyst12 He mentions Noah because it is in like figure of the testament of these days, wherein the people chosen of God seek to prepare the ark for the destruction to come. In this then, they are disobedient because though they see the works of the saints and perceive the words we speak, yet deny that they must escape through the Ark, the Son of God.
Indeed...I wholeheartedly agree with you. AmbianEagleheart.
Dr. Michael Heiser's explains it perfectly.
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The book of Enoch is a doctrine of demons do not read it
@@peppersteakpie4986
Please tell me...Who told you that?
I'd say it was to show how great God's grace is and to glorify the power of Christ all the more by saving even those who died under the law - because God does not contradict himself in sending His Son to ransom us from the law and thus those who died under the law may have grace/also because God is fair. This is how I see God. I do not believe there are any more second chances... we all have more second chances than we need because of Jesus... I also think God allows righteous people to die and unrighteous people to live because of what is to come...
Amen and amen brother. You have seen what I have seen that God allows the righteous to perish from the evil that is to come. Also I would say that to those who died Jesus is able to testify of the grace of God because he also died under the law, killing the law. If the law is now dead, and those who walked accordingly have no more righteousness in it, God must needs preach to them also this dispensation of his righteousness, though they already knew, that the name in which they must trust might be made manifest for what it is. Though this could just be one of several ways to look at it, I've found most verses have at least six true ways of seeing them.
Knowing the nature of Jesus, I feel like he died for unbelievers too. When he was persecuted, he spoke of his oppressors, “they know not what they do”. If someone who practices another religion or none at all, they don’t know the importance of Jesus. Say if they lived almost perfect lives and believed something else like Buddhism or Muslim, they’re suppose to suffer an eternity in hell?
"I believe so. Jesus said, 'I am the truth, the way, and the life.' The crucial element is the Holy Spirit; upon receiving it, your perspective transforms, your spirit rises, understanding becomes clearer, and you gain strength, as referenced in Corinthians."
Yes, Jesus taught eventual universal salvation:
"I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
"You [God] have given him [Jesus] authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him." (John 17:2)
These two go together:
"The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand." (John 3:35)
"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out" (John 6:37)
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The rest of the Bible does too: John 1:29, 4:42, Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,26, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3.
Undeniably, the 1st Peter passage is difficult one to understand with any certainty. For me, it helps to understand that Jesus could not have preached to dead humans. Dead people are "asleep" in Bible language. They are all the way dead, not part dead and part alive. ✴ _His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish_ (Psalms 146: 4, KJV)
What about if you ask the same question with Matthew 12:32
Perfect answer man. The devil wants people to focus on one word and ignore everything else you know
Jesus may have been talking to the Angels that sinned and left heaven to sleep with the daughters of men. (Gen. 6). 1Peter 3:19 may tie to 2Peter 2:4
The spirits in prison are potentially the Angels. Both passages bring up Noah too.
Revelation Chapter 22, the last chapter of the Bible, has some intriguing verses:
Rev. 22:14 -- "Blessed are those who wash ('are washing') their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates."
Rev. 22:17a -- "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come.'"
Rev. 22:17c -- "And let the one who is *thirsty* come; let the one who desires take the water of life^ without price."
Since believers are accounted for in Rev. 22:17a, the *thirsty* ones in Rev. 22:17c must be non-believers -- those who are outside of the heavenly city in the lake of fire. Who else is there? I believe, with God's help (Malachi 3:2-3), one day they will finish "washing their robes" (that is, being punished and purified in the probably symbolic lake of fire) and then will then be able to enter the heavenly city.
For those who disagree, how you understand these verses?
^The river of the water of life was introduced in Rev. 22:1
Not only with the passage's specific context, but also with the full scope of Scripture we see that there is not much of an indication that there's a "second chance" after death. Consider the parable of the Foolish and the Wise Virgins. The Wise took care of business before the bridegroom arrived. The Foolish did not, and they didn't get a second chance. If there is a Second Chance then that is left to God's Will alone. If that's what he decides to do, amazing, because we want all people to be saved. But we shouldn't try to base sound doctrine on thoughtful suppositions, especially when we have the chance to accept the truth now, and we know it is a guarantee!
There will always be an opportunity for anybody to repent:
Rev. 22:17 (ESV): "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price."
Even in the New Heaven & New Earth, repentance will be possible. The only requirement is being thirsty and being non-elect (since the elect Bride along with the Spirit is who is giving this invitation).
Other verses which imply an opportunity for all to repent are Psalm 22:27-29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isaiah 45:22-25, John 12:32, Romans 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36a, 1 Cor. 15:22,28, Rev. 5:13.
If only one-tenth of the attention was given to Romans 11:32 as is given to Romans 9:22.
For more, see George Sarris' _Heaven's Doors_ and The Total Victory of Christ's videos. God bless!
Did he answer the question?
Rom 3:18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God
Why doesn't the verse say "suffered once for the sins of the elect"? Does this mean Jesus suffered for ALL sins?
NO because after death comes judgement !!!!!!!!!!!!!
what do you mean by this.. yes judgement, but do you mean that anyone who is unsaved is just un worthy and should fend for themself, because to me that just sounds horrible and unimaginable
like if they die they go to hell, ETERNAL suffering. it is just very unigaminable and quite vicious sounding.
Just because judgement comes after death, it does not mean that souls cannot repent or that God no longer loves unbelievers after they die. What? While unbelievers are alive, God would die for them (in the form of Jesus) but right after they die God no longer loves them?
It could be that generation of Noah
What about there is no repenting in the grave.
This might be where the papacy conjured up purgatory?
It wasn’t “conjured” Even early
Protestants knew that, Just like none of the early believers believed in solo
Scriptura
So not good news.
I believe if you dont believe in the Lord, he wont recognise you
Simple and concise, God bless
So all you gotta do is believe in God, and you're golden?
Idk sounds like god Jared people
Jesus has no need to preach to the damned they already rejected him and received their just reward. Who he went to preached to was those who believed in him, but died with minor sins. You have to take into consideration that they couldn't step over into heaven because
1. They were still unclean/soul dirty from sin.
2. The veil hadn't been tourn allowing believers those whose name are in the lambs book of life, to go from one side to the next. So now Jesus truly shows Himself as "the way" to the Father.
The souls had to wait for Him/Jesus to open those prisons and set them free. The souls in the mean time had to go through a period of purgation/cleansing before they could enter the presence of the Father.
Look at it as entering a lobby to a house, where before you go into the main house, you take off all those outer layers of clothes (coat, boots, hat, gloves, scarf) before you enter the main house. The souls had to be stripped of their layers of clothes/sins before they enter into the presence of the Father.
#purgatory
Chance has nothing to do with being saved at all. Since faith is a gift of God and salvation is all of God and none of mans will or carnal nature, then it is not left to chance for God to accomplish His will that ALL mankind be saved. Why? Because nothing is impossible for God and He declares He will accomplish all His will and all His desires, which is that all be saved. (Isa 46:10 and 1 Tim 2:3-4)
A second chance “at salvation after death”? I would think one should first be asking if BELIEVERS get a second chance. That question has never and likely never will be substantiated because it bases a conclusion upon the “supernatural”. And believing something doesn’t make a something true or fact-based. The supernatural is a realm that lies “outside” the natural order. There is no way to detect it, observe it in action, measure it, test it, etc. There is no instrumentation that can extract ANYTHING from the supernatural realm. And there is no way to confirm a direct causal link between the supernatural and the natural. So to even consider “salvation” after life is a waste of intellectual energy for Anyone.
Hello Paster john , i have life long question. Was the apostle paul , a true apostle? In Genesis , we look , the serpent comes directly after God , and paul comes directly after Jesus and his chosen apostles. We see the serpent says your eyes will be opened, paul was sent to open eyes too. Was paul came after 7 years from the cross , that was time of tribulation of the church, as john said last hour of the anti christ . Paul claims by himself to be an apostle of the true Jesus, with out any 3 witnesses. He claims by himself that he met Jesus . But I really, no one knows if Jesus was revealed to him. The anti christ has wounds that took him till death and healed , then many follow him . What is the wound that was in paul that is mentioned in galatian , he spokes openly the truth , saying you accept me like Christ, do I become your enemy because I speak the truth? He means i am false christ (the truth), but you accept me as Christ (that is the lie) . What is the wound or thorn that is mentioned in Corinthians, is that the thorn of the anti christ , that is mentioned in revelation? The anti christ has a seal , paul said when you accept my gospel you are sealed .
Why paul came by his name , as christ said the opposer will come by his name and you will accept him? all his letters start by his name , he said my gospel too. Why all the churches i asia left him ? Why some apostles rise against him and said the resurrection is passed? Does paul came 3 yrs and half after the cross , and continued his teaching 3yrs and half , then imprisoned? Why pauls teaching is like flood spread to all the world , like in revelation mentioned flood teaching flowed by the anti christ ? Why pauls teaching is mentioned more than Christs teaching by any pastor ?
The true Christ is our foundation. If paul doesn’t teach Christs teaching, he is not worthy of following. If paul doesn’t show , that christs teaching is true , he is false apostle. If he doesn’t lead men to the faith of true Christ, he is false apostle. But i never found any false teaching .
He said christ is revealed to me by himself, he himself is the proof . Even the enemy lies from himself, he is the proof of himself for his lie. In job the enemy stand with sons of God in heaven , paul claims to stand in third heaven , by himself, no body saw him when he go and turn back , like they saw Jesus when he go and truen back too. Anti christ shows himself as christ, the devil shows himself as angel of light, so how can we be sure the true Christ met paul? Paul was captured by the Christ (true or false we don’t know) in gentiles land, why? But all the apostles was from israel land ? Why he is the only apostle who teach we are above the law ? He said , where there is no law , there no transgressions , is this not the lawless one? Who mades no dark and light? No good and bad but all is allowed and lawful? Is that freedom ok ? Its all the generations question. Why there are 12 foundations and 12 names of apostles in revelation? Is pauls name there of not? Is paul really a master builder ? No master builder than christ, no foundation than christ.
We believe in the true crucified Christ, who was on the cross, who chose the 12 apostles. He may be revealed to paul , in Damascus , but We don’t know , how we can be sure? Do you believe the Christ who was revealed to paul is the true Christ? No proof , only blind faith can accept it , as true. We learn a lot from desiring God , and we need a more proof on this question please , thanks!
If christ ask , who told you , i chose paul as my apostle? Paul. Who told you , i sent paul to teach you? Paul. Who told you , paul have my gospel? Paul. Who told you i am revealed to paul Damascus? Paul. Who told you , you are above the law? Paul. Who told you this and that ? Paul. Paul stands as proof of himself. Is pauls teaching and pauls apostle ship and pauls Christ ,….paul himself? Why his apostleship is in question many times , have i not seen Jesus? I am apostle I don’t lie? He says you are my proof that i am an apostle ? He is very careful in his letters , starting by paul apostle of Christ? Why so an so on . I read your book why i love the apostle paul , but we need other book , who is paul ? Is he an apostle? Just before loving him.
We know before Adam was deceived by the serpent who cames to teach after the teaching of God , why paul cames to teach after the teaching of Christ? Christ is the standard of any teaching, we chose christ to be our foundation, not 12 apostles or paul. Even if the 12 apostles or 1 paul , doesn’t teaching of Christ, they have to be rejected. But if they teach Christs doctrine we have to accept them , christ gave authority to the 12, but to paul may be , not sure . We don’t have to look the enemy is coming only , but may came also, normally he build his foundation in genesis just in the beginning with God , even now may be after christ. Shortly who is paul , is he true apostle of true Christ? Tganks
They killed Paul, which is the greatest proof I think, (remember those who hate you hated me first) and if anyone casts out demons in my name do not discourage them, for if they aren't against us, then they are for us. Aswell as Satan cannot cast out Satan but according to the demon, they knew Jesus and Paul. But Paul isn't the anti-Christ I think because whoever doesn't take the seal cannot buy or sell and that wasn't the case for Paul. And God will preserve his Word as seen in revelations, anyone who tries to add or subtract from the Word will be plagued with all diseases written in this book.
The nephilim may explain why they are stated to be from the days of Noah? Maybe it was a proclamation over these?
Check out Dr. Michael Heiser's explanation. It makes perfect sense.
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The bigger picture and question is why did God create so very many who ultimately will not seek salvation through Jesus Christ? Why create them in the first place when only a few will be saved?
This in my mind does not seem Godly, in fact it seems more of a man made contrivance of the nature of God. Since man is by nature full of folly, then it is not likely their understanding of God and His doings is also full of folly?
The self proclaimed learned of this world will be as babes before the wisdom of God. So we all should take what they say and teach with a grain of salt. Let us continue in faith, believing we are saved and letting God Himself determine in the end all who will be saved. It may be more than think, so stop being another’s judge!
Here is the quick answer, NO. They get one chance like the rest o us.
One chance to gamble.
@@Alien1375 its always a sure thing, but only if your faith is strong
Sounds like god is evil
The clear simple and biblical answer is NO!!!!!! Read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16.
Simple answer NO do unbelievers get a second chance after they die of salvation simple answer is a big NO
How do you know?
@@tomm6167 Read the Bible.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: KJV
@@arthurjenkins382 Yes we all will be judged after we die. But following the judgment, the unsaved will be punished and purified in the Lake of Fire so that they can eventually enter heaven. See my post from a month ago for details. God bless!
God is not the Author of confusion.!
First!
Yes, but the first will be last.
Once you cast your own son into hell, you are disqualified to represent God. John Piper is a disqualified false teacher. When you die, if you believe in hell, you will be corrected and adjusted. Stop ruing your life on false piety.
No !
Yes and No. Matthew 25:31-46 describes this.