Did the Lone Woman leave some things behind on San Nicholas Island? ( West of the West) Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2022
- Cache - After a 20 year quest to find a cave reputed to have been used by the Lone Woman, archeologist Steve Schwartz finally discovers the cave. Only to have his excavation efforts shut down by the Navy. This tale chronicles the turf war over the cave between archeologists, the Navy and various Indian tribes. It also tells the story of an amazing discovery of the Lone Woman’s ‘cache’ by Jon Erlandson and Rene Vellanoweth. And shows the over 200 artifacts they preserved.
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I just finished rereading Island of the Blue Dolphins, and this is so cool to see!
There is so much more to be found!
@talesfromchannelislands I hope you guys consult and bring tribal representation with you while surveying, data collecting CEQA, NAGPRA, NEPA and such.
Unlike other books that I cherished as a child, I haven’t read it in the last 62 years. I still feel like I was with her and Rontu on that island and felt her pain. I researched her life as an adult and was horrified by her death so soon after coming to the mainland. Later, when I gave a copy to my daughters, I couldn’t bring myself to read it. I think that having grown up on an island with the love and support of my parents and siblings, surrounded by friends, I found her situation unbearably sad. It had a profound effect on me and I realize now it probably influenced the importance I place on loved ones. For me, family and friends were everything.
i read it as a child then read it to my child! then i googled it aaieeeeee
Oh my god. This was my favorite story. I have flown over that island as a captain on a flight to Hawaii. I looked down at that island so many times and told my passengers that they were looking at the island that was in their memories of the island from the book. Thank you for this. I will watch all your episodes.
Glad you enjoyed…Every time I leave Santa Barbara I’m hoping that it’s not foggy. Over the years I’ve flown many times on big aircraft and small and never seeing San Nicolas… until I took a trip to Maui! I could actually see the full island… it was a wonderful moment.
Read The Island of the Blue Dolphins by Scott Odell. The "Lone Woman" is the surviving sister of the brother and sister Native Americans last living there.
I had the great honor of meeting Dr. Erlandson whilst working with Hutash on the Bacara build near Bell Canyon north Goleta. Awesome, dude!
Thank you for the video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was lucky to visit san clemente island. Incredible that people were there for 8000 years
What took you there?
@@talesfromchannelislands a dolphin
I know what took him there, a either a sea knight or sea stallion.
@@chuckb3489 Actually it was a roughly 30 person contracted plane. Would have loved a helo ride though....
I built the missile test site out there in the mid 80's, I spent countless hours looking for her cave on my time off.
I would have liked to do that…Tell me more. Instudio8@mac.com
@@talesfromchannelislands There were artifacts in the airport museum that were 10,000 years B.C. Beads and abalone fishhooks.
thank you for so sensibly working these finds...the person who hid them must either have been the terrified owner, or the terrified thief, trying to escape discovery and judgement.
Dude what, those fishhooks are incredible.
I read the book years ago. It left me with quite a feeling of needing to know more. It's wonderful to learn more is being discovered about this woman.
I recommend the book Shrouded Heritage by Tom Holm, it is an historical account of the early inhabitants of the island. I love that island, i've spent over a year anchored there since 1993.
Wow very cool. Where did you anchor?
I’m really surprised they handled these things barehanded, when recent DNA testing techniques now allow for ancient DNA to be extracted from objects and even soil. We might have known who (ethnically, perhaps even gotten a family lineage) it was that hand-carved the pieces.
Very interesting find, regardless. I look forward to seeing what else they find on the island.
I had the same thought
I'm a Retired Federal Agent Fisheries, went out there on an abalone poaching/drug incident, very intresting area
Wow! I bet you have stories..How was the crossing to SNI. I am possibly going in early winter…
@@talesfromchannelislands I flew in a USN twin engine prop out of Pt Mague airbase, 1 hour flight approximately, I wasn't allowed to talk to other passengers
@@dr5910 Ahhh Gotcha...Well if you ever want to share your experience let me know. Instudio8@mac.com
Bare in mind that ocean levels were up to 400 feet lower during the last ice age! What’s under water now that we are literally missing!
Lets dive and find out!
@@talesfromchannelislands there are excavations on the Queen Charlotte's of villages and fishing locations between the high and low tide line. But it's brutal work, and that doesn't include the waves of insects in two hour exchanges: biting flies, builldogs (horse flies), No-See-Uhms, and Mosquitos and black flies!
@@user-ov4mk9ox8y that doesn’t sound like any fun at all…
My father was suppose to go on a training flight but another instructor needed more time so my Dad stayed aboard the carrier USS Block Island. This is a brief account of what happened that fateful day. On 10 Feb 1945 Block Island departed with DD 779 Douglas H. Fox for 10 days operational training off San Clemente and San Nicolas islands. On 14 Feb 1945 the planes from CVE 106 were to conduct strikes with live ammunition against a bombing area on San Clemente. Dobbin led the morning flight but found the weather unsatisfactory and returned to the ship. One plane crashed due to engine failure but the pilot was rescued. That afternoon six Avengers, three Corsairs, and two Hellcats were launched to continue training. A severe storm approached rapidly so Block Island recalled all aircraft. One Avenger successfully landed but the others were unable to land so they were vectored to San Nicolas about 120 miles away. The weather prevented landing and as a result eight aircrew and seven planes were lost.
Wow! Is your father still with us?
@@talesfromchannelislands He passed away 2 yrs ago at the age of 98. Several planes crashed on San Nicholas Island killing all the pilots the other planes tried to get to the mainland but they crashed as well. A total of 7 Grumman TBMs with crew, 3 Corsairs and 2 Hellcats. Afterwards the carrier went on to Hawaii then entered combat at Saipan then Okinawa and went on to New Guinea to support the Aussies and later to the Philippines to pickup POWs there. The Channel islands supported smaller versions of mammoths, and was a key Indigenous trading point from the islands to the coast and all the way into the plains. When the Spanish came and removed the local population it completely destroyed that link that had existed for a very long time.
Greetings from the Chumash Coastal Native American Nation
Hello there!
Wow. Dr. Jon Erlandson was one of my favorite professors at the UofO. Great archeology class!
Go Ducks!!!!☺️💚
So cool!
This ancestral figure is "family". My family is indigenous to that area. Story is that there were "invaders" and our peoples fled to the islands or to the mountains. 🙏
So exciting. I’ve been to two of the Channel Islands and I like learning the history
Us too!
Amazing video! Where can I watch the rest?
@@andrewferguson8032 Its on the Tales from California's Channel Islands. RUclips does not make it easy. Here is the link. ruclips.net/video/xix4icsIar0/видео.html
This is one of my ancient ancestors
The box is post 1800.
@@j.b.4340yeah makes you realize American genocide wasn't that far away.
There is no way to know.
I was so excited to have stumbled over this ancient RUclips video about some archaeologists who had stumbled over some artifacts which a woman stumbled over while doing her thing. Obviously someone out a lot of time j to making this video...but who were they? We'll never know, but the video resolution wasn't common until at least 2020 AD
This is incredible! Its wonderful to have these items of the lost tribe that lived there.
Wonder ones they where!?
Somehow, I remember reading the island of the blue dolphin when I was a kid. Imagine my shock right now. It was based on a true story, and there are even artifacts?🤯
All True!
There’s so much to learn from these islands. Did the islands have Redwood trees? Or was this imported?
Yes! and great question.
10,000 years ago the Queen Charlotte's were attached to the mainland, and it was grassland: grizzly country. Cedar came later, with rising lands and a dramatic increase in rain. I'd imagine there would be climate and type of foliage differences as well on the islands in Calif.
People act like Natives couldn't navigate water 😂
Very interesting. I was working on San Clemente Island at that time. I always wondered what San Nicholas Island was like.
As a contractor? I have wanted to set foot on that Islands to get my all 8.
I was stationed on that island. Lots of history. Cave with carving. Tools found.
Wow! What year was that?
Awesome find
I'll Say!
Very neat. Obviously something of personal attachment and importance to a specific human being. We all have one of these in some form of manifestation. Something from our past, or present that means something to us and grounds us in our reality.
Love these stories of land in the United States that are owned by the people that we will never be able to step foot on.
She lived there her whole life just fine. She got forcibly rescued so we could help her and she caught a funk from us and died. Good thing we helped.
Herpe clan
Island of the blue dolphins
So we just be ignorant of thier importance to the history of the indigenous population of San Nicholas Island 😢
Cool. I have been to that island building roads for the military. I wonder if we disturbed anything . Thanks for the share. :O)
Col, What year was that?
I read about her 50+ years ago. It was an amazing story.
That's about when I read it also.
When something stumps you, Google is not only your friend but is an easy first step to self guided education. Not every vid needs to be a full documentary.
WOW 😮
Seems to be a lot of redwood available at some point... it must have drifted onto a beach.
What an incredible mystery. Why were these items gathered and buried? When? By whom? I love history.
Me Tooo.
The story they tell is so funny the artifacts have been there a long time getting rained on but if they didn't get it that day it would be gone for good 😂
Im married to a Norwegian. They are freakin Vulcans.
Ha…Ha..
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@@jamesetal7088 live long, and prosper...👍🤞🫵👍
OOOOooo someones been here before 😮
Wow
Agreed!
Worlds first Time Capsule
especially for the West Coast.
What is a redwood box?
Simply a box made out of Redwood.
How special !!!!!
Glad you think so!
So, is it a stretch to ask "How do we know it was a known woman"? This is the first I've heard of this.
we don’t, it’s just a hypothesis.
@@talesfromchannelislands You must mention that it the video, and prior to stating your claims. After all, some individuals will run with this and claim it is fact, when it is just a theory.
@@roostershooter76 Got it! Thank for the heads-up, Btw, they are not my claims.
Isla vista ememetry 1980's was were i 1st red island of the blue dolphin...
15 yards away... Look we found a lone man's belongings!!! Now we have a lone man and a lone woman!!! What are the odds?!?!?!
Unreal!
The name of this RUclips channel has “California” spelled with the n and i transposed.
That’s what happens when you have a dyslexic editor.
I have collected artifacts I've found lying around
On San Nicholas Island?
@@talesfromchannelislands in the caves and canyons around Ventura and Oxnard actually 👍
Hello👍👍👍👍❤❤❤
why dint you were gloves, are you real archeologist ?? or amateurs ?
Go put on another helmet.
That's it ? What was this discovery all about ?
Some times small things have big meaning.
San Nicolas Island not San Nicholas.
AND?……
Man, your listeners and viewers ar not idiots!!
When a child went on a tour there and may have spent a cold night in her outcropping, just dirt ..a guy had a mall place on the island.
Must’ve been quite the experience!
Im British. I dont want to rain on youe parade but we find older things in our attics.
Never heard that one before…Thanks for the update and watching of course!
Well La-Dee-Da 🙄.
Stiff upper lips and all…
Can't tell if you're serious or joking but the interest here is the fact it's filling in a missing piece of a well known and loved story and local history. We only recently tried to eliminate the Indigenous here (it didn't work), unlike across the pond where it's been in vogue for much longer.
Stonehenge is only 5k yrs old so wheres the other 5 to 7k yr old stuff? Gobekle Tepe? Thats in Turkey. Yer guys stuff in england aint that old you just have more 5k yr old trash laying around
@pipedaddy363 you sir are an obvious peasant.
Secondly you are conflating 500 year old issues with 5000 year old ones to make a very bad point.
What ? This is just 5 minutes of interesting video completely out of context - we're not told where the island is - we're not told anything about a "Lone Woman" or a "cave" or a hunt for the cave. Just that a couple of archaeologists stumbled upon something that they were NOT looking for - an interesting box, prob a couple of hundred years old, with some native treasures... - apparently a very important discovery, although modern ? not thousands of years old... - needs a lot of further explanation.
Island of the Blue dolphins will provide context.
Watch “West of the West” on Amazon to get the full context. This is just Part 1. Meant for RUclips viewer. Part 2 completes the story.
❤❤❤ an old time treasure chest. This is a great story!
Nicholas Island is off the coast of Ventura County, California. It is between Santa Monica and Santa Barbara CA
@@carolalexander1429 Thanks for saying!
But yet still not federally recognized
How to tell a short story long.
Drippy treasure of oak island plot.. drip it out, wait till next episide to find outif we till yiu what we should have already told you !
He wanted to save them ..😢.. that's so lame. If you were a little more 'emotional' maybe you wouldn't be so selfish.
My ancient grandmother
And then you took them back and reburied them, respectfully. Where they belong? Thanks
Fun at parties?
PAPYRUS!!!!!!!!!!
shouldn't these artifacts be photographed IN SITU before you start handling/removing items ? where did this dude get his Archeology degree..from a box of corn flakes ?
Video…
Video is how a lot of stuff is recorded these days and has been for a very long time. Can produce multiple stills from it with ease. Also, who’s to say that this 5min _video_ is the only documentation that was produced? Most people don’t care about the intricacies of the process, they just want to see a 5-10min video. As such wasting time to show the documentation process removes valuable time from the project. Lastly, there’s multiple tripods visible over the table, your assumptions that photo’s were not taken is preposterous.
Can’t spell California? 🙄
So good it appears fake. Hmmmmm
The age of the archaeological finds aren’t that old. They’re using proven wrong dating methods.
This is from very recent history.
5 minutes??? Thumbs down
He lo ❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂
This Vellanoweth is pretty obnoxious.
I am offended by this racist theft of ...nah, just kidding 😅😅😅
Very likely AI lies. My opinion
I'm calling BS on this one!
Oh please! a box burried on a cliff like that. Nonsense! The box would have been buried so deep to be exposed like that on a sand stone cliff with how much erosion takes place on that island after that many years. I highly doubt some indian would take the time to climb down a cliff and dig for hours to put a few belongings in.
This is a prime example of a college program looking for more grant money.
There is lots of info on the area. They actually found the collapsed cave & dug it out to find how big it was. When you get some time look up the Arlington springs early man site. People have been using these islands for a long time.
As I understand the indigenous Nicoliños were slaughtered by French fur traders, and again at a later point in history, before Juana Maria passed in 1853, But it would have been nice to have tribal representation maybe from Tongva there with you. Doesn't really seem fair or in line with NAGPRA, NEPA, CEQA, to just have a bunch of non indigenous professors poke through someones most private possessions, and then write up a bunch of articles and publish photos of said contents. Beautiful artifacts, but a disgusting show of unchecked privilege. Most tribes dont want their precontact history put on blast by scolars.
The Nicolenos are extinct, though. Is it better to just let their history rot? Also, these aren't pre-contact artifacts--the buttons indicate otherwise.
I think that she would appreciate her people's story to be told instead of forgotten
The Russians and the aluets wiped out the men of Saint Nicholas Island.
@Surfsail Just like every other Tribe in So Cal, they had an extensive complicated Clan marital system. Where they had to be married to surrounding clans. Just because they were on an island does not mean they were stuck there.
@@constitutionallyconscious165 you're correct they weren't stuck there The lone woman was I believe the history books sending word to the other tribes that they had no men left. Without any man their tribe would have died off anyways. The only people that we should be mad at are the Russians the fur traders. And once again I know in my heart that if I was of my people and I had left something behind that I would want somebody to see it find it and share it and tell our story. It is so tragic that their culture is not known by the other tribes or the rest of the world. So I think maybe you're just trolling cuz you're not really being sincere about your arguments.