Myth: Flying Elbows
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Is the flying right or left elbow something you should avoid or embrace?
This can save you not only time in your practice sessions but also a powerful move that can enhance your golf swing and game.
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My, my , What a lovely, relaxing conversation of golf . You motivated me to come back to the game. I always enjoyed the process of practice but made the mistake of trying to many drills that messed me up ,especially the towel drill. The joy and sound of a flushed ball strike was always fun for me. Thanks for your gift of teaching. Jim
Jim, thanks so much and so happy to hear that you are motivated to get back to the game. It's a good start by weeding out what not to do to save you time and energy to start focusing on what really is important.
I really like the way you view golf swing. I'm on the same page with you. People really afraid to do opposite with society perceptions, they just learn by the book and so afraid of asking the teacher why need to do that, what theory (math, physics, psychology?) , when the situation suitable to do that?. They so worry make sure they fit in the group,. Things like the modern instructors teaching you the Morden complicated moves of the body are the number one killer of your "natural" movement of your body, everybody has different body built, structure, comfortable movements, all famous PGA has their own special body movements "to accommodate" their own comfortable movements. We learn technical moves for our knowledge but we need to make sure these techniques are "not hinder" our natural movements (based on momentum, gravity, centripetal forces). In summary there is an old saying "All roads lead to Rome"! :)
I appreciate your well thought out message and insights. Yes, it is truly important to move in accordance to our natural build of the body to keep it healthy and strong through the process of learning and applying. Thanks for your well thought out perspective and support!
This is incredible! I have only started playing golf this year and come from a background of decent hand eye coordination from sports such as tennis and cricket. I have had a flying right elbow since I started and it feels so natural but everyone has told me it is bad for my swing. You are one of the very, very few people out there who says it is normal! Would you then say it is okay to get across the line due to the flying elbow as well? Keep posting more! Subscribed!
Absolutely continue as you have the option to keep it or refine it overtime. Getting the club across the line can be a result of many things good or bad but if it's caused because of the elbow and everything else is in good position, it can be good and a lot of power in that.
Ironically, good athletic movements are often criticized in a golf swing. Keep on your athletic path!
I have instructed a lot of tennis and cricket players which makes me want to create a video explaining that.
Thanks for your positivity and support!
@@JunsGolf Thank you for the response! A video on other sports and how they apply to golf would be amazing - I'm sure anything with a coordinated throwing or hitting motion will have cross applicability with the golf swing
Work done by the golfer builds up kinetic energy in the torso, shoulders, and arms. This is then transferred via tension in the shaft as the club and arms unfold away from the golfer’s body.
The good: the greater the fold (wrist cock) the more efficient the transfer of energy from the body to the club.
The bad: the greater the wrist torque (use of the hands) the earlier the club unfolds and the less energy is transferred to the club.
These two effects, the negative effect of wrist torque and the positive effect of wrist cock, account for most of the distance difference between the beginner and the scratch golfer.
These effects are also counterintuitive - not what the beginner golfer expects. This perhaps explains why a good golf swing is so hard to learn.
Another factor making a good swing hard to learn is that it is mentally difficult to hold onto the club firmly while not holding the wrists firmly. It is curious that most people, when asked to throw a golf club as far as possible, would swing the club around their shoulders without using wrist torque, and this is exactly the action required for a good swing. Swinging a club loosely around your shoulders as if you were about to throw it will help to train your brain to not use your hands. I have also found it helpful to visualise throwing the club through the impact zone. In fact a full vigorous swing around your shoulders like a baseball swing, including hip and shoulder movement, captures all of the important parts of the swing.
I use a baseball grip because when I overlap it causes pain which is unfortunate! One of the benefits of the overlap grip is that it keeps the combined length of the hands short and the right hand weak (for a right-handed golfer). This enables the golfers to grip the club firmly, but limits the ability to apply wrist torque.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I will be sharing videos along the way that may share different or additional view points. You emphasize wrist and hands which is very important but there are also other parts of the body and movements that has to align with it.
It's all good though as narrowing it down to movements is essential and not gimmicky tips and drills. Continue to keep it athletic, encouraging baseball type actions. Baseball grip works but for more feel, I would encourage overlap or interlock. Pain you are talking about is most likely the wrong grip. With that said, if you do have a good grip, it could be the wrong set/position in some part of your swing. Basically, what I'm saying is, it's not the overlap grip itself.
Aloha and ooooh, girl you are going against the grain and the right elbow police is going to check on you 🤣🤣. Ok JK and a new sub here l am glad your channel popped up because there are not many out there that advocate the power of the right elbow as right-handers possess. The right elbow is like the red-headed stepchild but when it's done right as with every other single golf swing out there it is very powerful and accurate and as you mentioned Jack Nicklaus the GOAT. l like the "freed up trail elbow" because it is natural unlike gluing the elbow to the side it doesn't feel good at all l feel as if l am cuffed like a BIG dinosaur with lil hands. This is a power source for girls too, If you look at the girl's tour there's a lot of "freed up trail elbow" with fluid swing that generator power and they can power it out there farther than a lot of men with glued on trail elbow. As a guy l learn more from the LPGA etc than the PGA because they have to find power but men they can glue on lol. Mahalo 🤙🤙
Aloha, your comment is great and made me laugh; especially about going against the grain as this video is just the beginning when it comes to that ☺️.
Stay tuned…
Mahalo 🤙🏽
Great video, thanks for opening our eyes to a new and logical perspective. Just subscribed 😎
@Jun Interesting content. I politely suggest using 'lead' and 'trail' instead of 'left' and 'right.' All golf instructors should standardize this terminology whenever possible.
Thanks for politely suggesting; however, using 'lead' & 'trail' over 'left' & 'right', sounds good conceptually and think it would seamlessly tie in well with golf instruction, but after giving tens of thousands of in person golf lessons, it would just cause more confusion. It would require a rewiring of brains ;).
I've worked with golfers highly intelligent and most people still screw up their right and left. This happens all the time but, just the other day I told a student to aim left and she aimed right and jokingly I said, no the other left. Even the words backswing gets mixed up with follow through. To teach lead and trail, I just know what would happen..."what is trail again? what is lead again?" Sometimes day in and day out teaching reveals often what may sound good conceptually just isn't applicable in action.
Also, left and right is used not just arms but weight shift, leg movements, shoulders, hips, alignment, shape of shots, you name it. It's already standardized. Try it one day, take a golfer and use lead & trail over left and right. It can easily get in the way of teaching and learning.
Most importantly, it would mean we would have to change Phil's nickname to lead or would it be trail or the other left?
Thank you though, it's a good thought vs. action experiment.
I'm not throwing a football or baseball. My right arm comes thru like I'm skipping a stone. Try it with your elbow flapping in the wind.
That’s the through swing but my talk was about the entire swing; especially the top of the backswing.
Although skipping stones ironically have the motion with the lead elbow that often flares out far beyond golfers or throwing football or baseball. Check out some skipping stones competitions, the top players have so much space and extension.
My experience is that Jun is correct.
Thank you!