I wish I could say this was a good review. I didn't really learn anything significant about the bike. The only real input we get is "it's got improved looks, brake, suspension" and so on. We don't need to be told it looks good, we can tell. But I want to know more. What are the specs, how does it feel to ride, what's the engine's character, does it feel light, do the brakes feel good, are there modes, how does the suspension soak up bumps, is suspension adjustable, and so on? It doesn't take a 15 minute video to elaborate on these, and you could definitely have included at least a few of these important aspects of the bike around the gibberish.
Pete Busch The insect bikes all remind me that I need to grow and maintain my weapon/food/ammo stockpiles, because if it isn’t the zombies, it will be the deceptacons, skynet, Red Dawn, a pandemic or ANTIFA idiots.....
The main difference to those mid-range parallel twins would be that this has four cylinders, right? This engine is quite a bit more powerful and also has a wider usable rev range than the Yamaha, let alone the little Kawa. It does rev a bit higher but is also sound much better. When I hear a mid-range parallel twin sound I think maxi-scooter, not a real bike.
CB650 R have some serious potential to be one of the top selling middleweight if Honda play it’s cards right it looks retro yet modern and fresh, chassis if fantastic, top spec shelf parts, in-line 4 motor from Honda so reliability is not an issue it can get casual riders to hardcore canyon carvers hooked great job Honda and make it available in Asian and European markets
Honda CB family of bikes is beautiful. Not that I regret getting my XSR900 one bit... but I do really, really like the Honda styling and quality fit and finish.
I got the XSR700 over the CB650R, mainly due to prize and the engines on the yamaha´s are just fantastic. Dont like to have to rev very high to feel the power. Beautiful machines the hondas though. Really like the headlight on the CB650R
At my local dealer the XSR700 and CB650R are priced the exact same lol. And the CB has better fit and finish and components. And this i4 isn’t like one in a super sport. It features a very similar head to the 600RR but with a longer stroke, making it much torquier low end. It still revs high, but the power advantage with the CB is significant, it falls right in between the XSR900 and 700 in terms of power, except the price is at 700 level...
Hard to say.... I'd heard the same. That they are quite buzzy in the bars and footpegs and just where you like the revs to sit... What's the point of a mid-size I-4 if it's still buzzy?...you might as well consider the KTM-790 and it's damn near 65lbs lighter....
Should never have killed off the CBR600f of 2006 days etc... awesome bike that well ridden would keep up with most things in the twisty bits. Not made bikes to meet licences 🤦♂️ from 110bhp to 85bhp 🤷🏼♂️
The new cbr650r produces 96hp, well that's what's claimed... And according to other reviews I've seen, feels like the 600fs of old. Unfortunately the licenses are where the money is at, for most manufacturers
It's nice that a series of tweaks (ok, large tweaks for the cb styling) have lifted these two so much. For me the naked cb650r looks like a good everyday fun bike. And being of an ancient generation when inline 4 engined bikes were still a novelty and the "future", a midsize one is always a big attraction.
@@exothermal.sprocket - Could have fooled me when I rode one. They are a little weak down low, when compared to a twin of the same size, but they still have a nice strong mid range power curve and pull smoothly and cleanly through the whole rev range. Beautiful linear power delivery and they absolutely love to be revved out.
Full fairings are a bit of a pain to live with around town in summer. It would be good if Honda released a naked 650 with an optional bikini fairing as Triumph have done with the Thruxton. Good wind/weather protection.
@@motorpolitan8884 - Peak HP on the 2019 bikes is at 12,000rpm, peak torque is still 8000, with a strong and fairly flat torque curve from 4000-11,000rpm. Incredibly strong mid range from such a small 4 cylinder. It is definitely at it's happiest at 6,000rpm and up, but not weak below either.
@@midlifebiker7424 that may be a factor. Yet it looks like they've put cornering ABS in the newest CB300R but didn't bother in the CB1000R (which is tempting but for that). I like Honda's build quality but they do seem to lag behind a little with the technology now. I'm just hoping there's a 2020 refresh of the VFR800 Interceptor / Crossrunner bikes coming with an IMU. If there is, my next (bigger) bike may be a Honda too. As it is, I'm likely defecting to KTM or BMW for the electronic safety gizmos ...
@@aeon8721 I sold my S1000r which is a brilliant bike but I only had 1 point left on my license. I now have 7, so thinking of the 790 duke. Hope Honda grant you wish although no guarantees what they bring to Oz..
Wow that's one beautiful bike that CB650R😍😍😍. Love the Neo Cafe styling and the bike looks attractive in my eyes. I always dream of owning an inline 4 middleweight bike and this could be my dream bike as I love inline 4 bikes. I don't need a 1000cc inline 4 to enjoy and this bike just perfect for me with its usable power. However, I'm wondering whether this bike suitable for city riding?🤔🤔
I am torn between the CBR600RR and the CB650R and the CBR650R seems like the perfect option for me; except I cant find one for sale near me lol mind u I have a hold deposit on a CBR600RR and considering switching the hold deposit to the CB650R. I might just stay on my CBR300R because I cannot make up my mind lol
Great looking bikes. Honda needs to do what Yamaha did when they Introduced the FZ 07 and 09. Undercut everyone on the price and watch them fly off the showroom floor so they can gain popularity. Both of these bikes look great though. The CBR version makes me want a sport bike again.
To be honest they kinda have undercut everyone other than Yamaha, this is competing directly with the MT-07 but improves on whre it fails with all LED's and the display being a big plus. If they went back to halogen, non colour lcd and standard forks it would be right in line with the MT 07 price wise but most MT owners would want all that stuff anyway. TLDR theyre copying the MT-07 but improving the parts that people have complained about (in particular the suspension)
They did that in Thailand. Blew the Z650 and MT07 out of the water, sales numbers for the CB(R)650 here is like 1,000+ per month whereas it's 50-100 per month for Z650 and MT07.
Two major flaws: first is on the commentary, kinda flat and totally lacking engine comments. Not only figures, but character and feel. Second is the CBR itself, dull and cheap, I’d rather get the first CBR600f from the 90’s with upgraded tires, brakes and suspensions. Same performance, better styling, and cheaper (used bike + mods and a good service, you can get it all just around £4500)
@UCu8-Jql4II7NHVEe-Z_G2yw good luck finding anything close to this bike in its segment and price range. The 94hp limit is the max power a2 based bikes can have in true form before a2 bikes are reduced to 47hp limit set by govts. And the 2014 650F was faster than the 600F by a big margin thanks to the perimeter frame, more bottom end to midrange torque and top end boost. 1/4 mile in 11.8s is decent for a sub 10k bike today, 0-100 in 3.6s and a top speed of 240kph.
I was only interested in info on the cb650r. Not the cbr. Why go back and forth between bikes? Review one then the other. Or better yet. One video one bike. Had to ff cbr blah blah. Very low quality review on both bikes.
What it lacks in peak power it makes up for in the mid range, very smooth strong engine in the middle revs, and even decent down low for a smaller 4 pot.
Don’t read me wrong dudes. I am a cbr1000 fan through and through but I want to keep my license. A 120bhp cbr650r would be in my garage if they made one. No hesitation. . . .
But then a 120 bhp 650 bike would be priced way out of its class, require a pile of electronic control nannies, and need significant engineering in the chassis, suspension, brakes, and other parts to deal with the stupid speeds and power, otherwise you can be sure the manufacturer would get its pants sued off it.
Trim 30 pounds of fat off them, add 8-10 ft-lbs torque, reduce price 2 grand, and we'd be in the class. But no. It says Honda on the badge. Sorry Honda, for all the time and expense you put into jewelry, you could put some of that into giving them POWER and CHARACTER and CUTTING WEIGHT.
The most HP in it's class (by quite a bit). The only bike with USD forks in its class. The only bike with 320mm front rotors with radial mount calipers in its class. Full high quality LED lighting stock, and a 4 color TFT display. The only bike somewhat in this class that matches it is the Ducati 797, which is a little more epensive, and still down 20hp (though about the same more in torque). I would say given all of that, it's pricing reflects the equipment rather well when compared to an MT07, Z650, or Suzuki SV650. I do agree that they could probably shave a bit of weight off of them, but they aren't too bad. The MT07 is about 45lbs lighter, the SV650 ABS is 11lbs lighter, and the Z650 is about 30lbs lighter. That said, they would all likely weigh a bit more if they had the upgraded hardware like the CB650R.
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I wish I could say this was a good review. I didn't really learn anything significant about the bike. The only real input we get is "it's got improved looks, brake, suspension" and so on. We don't need to be told it looks good, we can tell. But I want to know more. What are the specs, how does it feel to ride, what's the engine's character, does it feel light, do the brakes feel good, are there modes, how does the suspension soak up bumps, is suspension adjustable, and so on? It doesn't take a 15 minute video to elaborate on these, and you could definitely have included at least a few of these important aspects of the bike around the gibberish.
I just clicked to verify that is a crappy review from mcn and they did not disappoint me
Great looking couple of bikes, looks like Honda have come up with a couple of winners here - thanks for posting....
A TMF review on these new models at some stage???
@@Karlos305 I hope so - they both look great don't they, like Honda stepped up a notch in this category....
funnily enough i was just asking the same thing last night with the cb650r
@@TheMissendenFlyer I've ended up going for the CBR 650R, would love to hear what you think of the bike.
TMF I bet your review will be lot better than this one you should be working for them your lot more details in your reviews
Thank you Honda for creating that sweet looking headlight and hopefully this is the end of transformer/insect bikes.
Pete Busch Amen to that!
i guess we are not the majority :(
Amen! Mosquito to be exact, mosquito.
Pete Busch
The insect bikes all remind me that I need to grow and maintain my weapon/food/ammo stockpiles, because if it isn’t the zombies, it will be the deceptacons, skynet, Red Dawn, a pandemic or ANTIFA idiots.....
Bought the CB650R. Love it, lotta fun on the twisty back roads. One of the best front end feel I've ridden and the engine is pretty flexible too
where do you live?? my shop in ny hasnt gotten it in yet. i have the CB300R
@@MrDaleOG UK
@kacknar doom is the traction control optional or standard?
@@charlievelez3510 standard afaik
How would it be for a rider about 5’6 can i flat foot it or i be tip toe?
The main difference to those mid-range parallel twins would be that this has four cylinders, right? This engine is quite a bit more powerful and also has a wider usable rev range than the Yamaha, let alone the little Kawa. It does rev a bit higher but is also sound much better. When I hear a mid-range parallel twin sound I think maxi-scooter, not a real bike.
No parting wheelie ??? MCN Please revoke the test riders license until rectified.
but can it do a front wheel burnout?
I can do it with their goldwing XD
Yes it can. you just need to find a gasoline container lorry driving in front you .
Two beautiful bikes 👍🏽for this year Honda the legend
CB650 R have some serious potential to be one of the top selling middleweight if Honda play it’s cards right it looks retro yet modern and fresh, chassis if fantastic, top spec shelf parts, in-line 4 motor from Honda so reliability is not an issue it can get casual riders to hardcore canyon carvers hooked great job Honda and make it available in Asian and European markets
the red alpinestars jacket looks dope. I'll be going to buy this jacket soon.
Honda CB family of bikes is beautiful.
Not that I regret getting my XSR900 one bit... but I do really, really like the Honda styling and quality fit and finish.
I got the XSR700 over the CB650R, mainly due to prize and the engines on the yamaha´s are just fantastic. Dont like to have to rev very high to feel the power. Beautiful machines the hondas though. Really like the headlight on the CB650R
At my local dealer the XSR700 and CB650R are priced the exact same lol. And the CB has better fit and finish and components. And this i4 isn’t like one in a super sport. It features a very similar head to the 600RR but with a longer stroke, making it much torquier low end. It still revs high, but the power advantage with the CB is significant, it falls right in between the XSR900 and 700 in terms of power, except the price is at 700 level...
debating between the CB650R, Ducati 821, or Street Triple R
me too, literally those three bikes
Street triple all the way my dudes..... Cb would be a close second. Ducatis imo dont offer nearly as much bang for buck as the other two do.
These are a step in the right direction but we need more V4s
Hit the nail on the head!! Another 500cc interceptor is needed
Yes! And triples, I would love to see a Honda triple at some point.
The previous CBR650 was reviewed as having some buzzy vibrations. Does the new bike have the same issues.?
nope. every reviewer said its more smooth than a balanced twin even. The new engine mounts solved it
Hard to say....
I'd heard the same. That they are quite buzzy in the bars and footpegs and just where you like the revs to sit...
What's the point of a mid-size I-4 if it's still buzzy?...you might as well consider the KTM-790 and it's damn near 65lbs lighter....
@@zenden6564 yeah and its damn near 200 times unreliable.. blowing head gaskets already like the 390 junks
Should never have killed off the CBR600f of 2006 days etc... awesome bike that well ridden would keep up with most things in the twisty bits. Not made bikes to meet licences 🤦♂️ from 110bhp to 85bhp 🤷🏼♂️
should have asked your govts to remove the a2 license structure then
The new cbr650r produces 96hp, well that's what's claimed... And according to other reviews I've seen, feels like the 600fs of old. Unfortunately the licenses are where the money is at, for most manufacturers
It's nice that a series of tweaks (ok, large tweaks for the cb styling) have lifted these two so much. For me the naked cb650r looks like a good everyday fun bike. And being of an ancient generation when inline 4 engined bikes were still a novelty and the "future", a midsize one is always a big attraction.
Man the cb650r looks soooo beautiful!
What's the horsepower on them?
I think it's 95 bhp
Nothing until redline.
@@exothermal.sprocket - Could have fooled me when I rode one. They are a little weak down low, when compared to a twin of the same size, but they still have a nice strong mid range power curve and pull smoothly and cleanly through the whole rev range. Beautiful linear power delivery and they absolutely love to be revved out.
@@PhonyTony it's........
Power: 94hp at 12,000rpm.
Torque: 63.7Nm at 8,500rpm.
Full fairings are a bit of a pain to live with around town in summer. It would be good if Honda released a naked 650 with an optional bikini fairing as Triumph have done with the Thruxton. Good wind/weather protection.
The most important question.
Where does the engine make its power ?
Peak HP 10,000 RPM
Peak Torque 8,000 RPM
not bad for an inlin 4 650cc. It has same torque as Z650 but Z650's peak torque comes at 6,000 RPM.
@@motorpolitan8884 - Peak HP on the 2019 bikes is at 12,000rpm, peak torque is still 8000, with a strong and fairly flat torque curve from 4000-11,000rpm. Incredibly strong mid range from such a small 4 cylinder. It is definitely at it's happiest at 6,000rpm and up, but not weak below either.
So torn between these two, daily commute about 40km and occasional track day which one would be a better option? Love the cb style aswell doh
the faired bike has a sporty seating position so is perfect for track days
Can I put swingarm spools on them?
A good looking modern bike. The CB650R is a tad heavier than a Speed Twin. A whole lot cheaper though...
Where is the full review of the cb650r??
What is the model of the Arai helmet?
Why honda went the garbage OEM Dunlop D214 tires on more expensive CBR vs Metzelers on CB is beyond me, to be honest.
Which more comfortible and pick up?
meanwhile in Australia... the only version they make available is limited to a 47hp version. Sad.
LAMS is getting all the attention but then the zero speeding tolerance is killing the performance bike market..
Honda is safety 1st, 2nd and 3rd
@@midlifebiker7424 And yet they're slow with adding IMUs and cornering ABS.
@@aeon8721 probably more interested in the Indian/asian markets where they are more price conscious
@@midlifebiker7424 that may be a factor. Yet it looks like they've put cornering ABS in the newest CB300R but didn't bother in the CB1000R (which is tempting but for that). I like Honda's build quality but they do seem to lag behind a little with the technology now. I'm just hoping there's a 2020 refresh of the VFR800 Interceptor / Crossrunner bikes coming with an IMU. If there is, my next (bigger) bike may be a Honda too. As it is, I'm likely defecting to KTM or BMW for the electronic safety gizmos ...
@@aeon8721 I sold my S1000r which is a brilliant bike but I only had 1 point left on my license. I now have 7, so thinking of the 790 duke. Hope Honda grant you wish although no guarantees what they bring to Oz..
Which one is best all rounder
can installed a quickshifter and auto blimper in that CBR?
I have to buy cbr 650 r
Carbon wheels + ecu + exhaust
How tall r you ??
I'm 5'8" how about you?
Wow that's one beautiful bike that CB650R😍😍😍. Love the Neo Cafe styling and the bike looks attractive in my eyes. I always dream of owning an inline 4 middleweight bike and this could be my dream bike as I love inline 4 bikes. I don't need a 1000cc inline 4 to enjoy and this bike just perfect for me with its usable power. However, I'm wondering whether this bike suitable for city riding?🤔🤔
Good video 2 nice bikes from Honda
what is Jon's height?
I am torn between the CBR600RR and the CB650R and the CBR650R seems like the perfect option for me; except I cant find one for sale near me lol mind u I have a hold deposit on a CBR600RR and considering switching the hold deposit to the CB650R. I might just stay on my CBR300R because I cannot make up my mind lol
Nice video, two good looking bikes
Great looking bikes. Honda needs to do what Yamaha did when they Introduced the FZ 07 and 09. Undercut everyone on the price and watch them fly off the showroom floor so they can gain popularity. Both of these bikes look great though. The CBR version makes me want a sport bike again.
To be honest they kinda have undercut everyone other than Yamaha, this is competing directly with the MT-07 but improves on whre it fails with all LED's and the display being a big plus. If they went back to halogen, non colour lcd and standard forks it would be right in line with the MT 07 price wise but most MT owners would want all that stuff anyway.
TLDR theyre copying the MT-07 but improving the parts that people have complained about (in particular the suspension)
@@shaunbarclay1309 they are actually the most expensive 650cc bikes out there.
They did that in Thailand. Blew the Z650 and MT07 out of the water, sales numbers for the CB(R)650 here is like 1,000+ per month whereas it's 50-100 per month for Z650 and MT07.
Yamaha cheapened out on the suspension and build quality.. that's why its cheap
@@UvidCo they're the only modern inline 4s while the whole competition sells parallel twins
Honda cbr650r or Yamaha r3?
Cbr's rear-end tho 😖
Tail tidy, seat cowl, wam bam
Two major flaws: first is on the commentary, kinda flat and totally lacking engine comments. Not only figures, but character and feel. Second is the CBR itself, dull and cheap, I’d rather get the first CBR600f from the 90’s with upgraded tires, brakes and suspensions. Same performance, better styling, and cheaper (used bike + mods and a good service, you can get it all just around £4500)
@UCu8-Jql4II7NHVEe-Z_G2yw good luck finding anything close to this bike in its segment and price range. The 94hp limit is the max power a2 based bikes can have in true form before a2 bikes are reduced to 47hp limit set by govts.
And the 2014 650F was faster than the 600F by a big margin thanks to the perimeter frame, more bottom end to midrange torque and top end boost. 1/4 mile in 11.8s is decent for a sub 10k bike today, 0-100 in 3.6s and a top speed of 240kph.
Compare cb650r it to mt-07. Good comparison isn't on RUclips. Is the mt-07 faster👀
Whats your height?
What color are your eyes ?
they fucked up the tail lights though. sticks out being big and bulky...could've integrated it more to make it more sporty
What's the HP in those
90 plus hp
Power: 94hp at 12,000rpm.
Torque: 63.7Nm at 8,500rpm.
Should have named it F4i
That headers tho...
I actually like the headlight on the CB 650f over the R.
cual os gusta más?
I was only interested in info on the cb650r. Not the cbr. Why go back and forth between bikes? Review one then the other. Or better yet. One video one bike. Had to ff cbr blah blah. Very low quality review on both bikes.
Legends say MCN,replies to the first comment
Where was the wheelie!
Definitely a lack of wheelies in motorcycle journalism these days, bring it back!!! Especially on a naked
They’re all off camera nowadays
Ppssssst.... check out 44Teeth 👍
Cb650r allllll fuckin day
Still down on horsepower. Great bikes but need more power to be competitive. I’ll stick with my zx6r.
They didn't create a CBR600RR replacement, wasn't meant to be.
What it lacks in peak power it makes up for in the mid range, very smooth strong engine in the middle revs, and even decent down low for a smaller 4 pot.
Don’t read me wrong dudes. I am a cbr1000 fan through and through but I want to keep my license. A 120bhp cbr650r would be in my garage if they made one. No hesitation. . . .
But then a 120 bhp 650 bike would be priced way out of its class, require a pile of electronic control nannies, and need significant engineering in the chassis, suspension, brakes, and other parts to deal with the stupid speeds and power, otherwise you can be sure the manufacturer would get its pants sued off it.
@@transitTrucker this bike does 0-100kph in 3.6 seconds, has a top speed of 240kph and is able to run 1/4 mile in 11.7 seconds stock.
I can see the appeal of the CB650R, but there’s no way I’m picking the CBR650R over a 600 Super Sport.
only idiots who have zero understanding between sportsbikes and supersports would compare the two segments.
only idiots who have zero understanding between sportsbikes and supersports would compare the two segments.
Gsxs 750 all day
Please take some elocution lessons. That was hard to understand.
cbr650r weighs as much as a hippo
I expected a good review, but no michael neeves means shitty review
Well it's no cbr600
If it was...it would be a CBR600.
Trim 30 pounds of fat off them, add 8-10 ft-lbs torque, reduce price 2 grand, and we'd be in the class.
But no. It says Honda on the badge. Sorry Honda, for all the time and expense you put into jewelry, you could put some of that into giving them POWER and CHARACTER and CUTTING WEIGHT.
The most HP in it's class (by quite a bit). The only bike with USD forks in its class. The only bike with 320mm front rotors with radial mount calipers in its class. Full high quality LED lighting stock, and a 4 color TFT display. The only bike somewhat in this class that matches it is the Ducati 797, which is a little more epensive, and still down 20hp (though about the same more in torque). I would say given all of that, it's pricing reflects the equipment rather well when compared to an MT07, Z650, or Suzuki SV650.
I do agree that they could probably shave a bit of weight off of them, but they aren't too bad. The MT07 is about 45lbs lighter, the SV650 ABS is 11lbs lighter, and the Z650 is about 30lbs lighter. That said, they would all likely weigh a bit more if they had the upgraded hardware like the CB650R.
Too small bike is size is made for people of Asia. Follow BMW example their bikes fit even Nordic people
So you think all asian people are small
Which one is best all rounder