Have You Ever Wanted To Drop Out Of Capitalism? | Outliers Ep. 1
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In our new series, Outliers, VICE explores worlds beyond the economic mainstream, meeting people who’ve chosen unusual and sometimes radical relationships to money, commerce and capitalism. For our first episode we headed to Virginia, where a cluster of communes thrives in rural, conservative Louisa County.
In exchange for working around 40 hours a week, Twin Oaks’ roughly 100 residents get everything taken care of, free of charge, from food to housing to health insurance. But the community is able to provide so generously because of their successful businesses; for over thirty years, they produced every hammock sold at Pier One and today, they sell tofu to Whole Foods.
We traveled to Twin Oaks to learn what life is like at the communal fringes of capitalism.
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VICE News I'm not much for the news but I can't get enough Vice.
Let's just say that Vice has become one of my vices.
First you have be a flaming Liberal that cannot understand common sense and logic. You have a better chance if you are brown, butch with a boys haircut and are open to letting them place a memory chip into the back of your skull. Skinny jeans are also a plus.
Keith Richards Liver so what you're saying is that you're insecure about your lack of intelligence?
The definition of liberal is basically someone who can change and changes evidence for intelligence.
The Flaming part suggests that you are prejudiced against homosexuals and that prejudice likely stems from your insecurities about your sexuality... have some gay Tendencies do you buddy? It's okay, you'll be fine.
You do know that you have no idea what you're talking about right? You're terrified because of it.
No gay tendencies here bud. Clearly you are triggered. Maybe you are gay and a Liberal which is common of people who love Vice.
Next you will rail against "Assault weapons" or something else you are completely clueless about.
VICE News So basically, we can come to Louisa County whenever we want regardless of where we come from? And we are guaranteed to have a job?
This is dropping out of consumerism not capitalism.
Yeah, this is a misleading title. They're selling their tofu to Whole Foods -- that is capitalism.
Its got similarities to both anarcho-socialism and state capitalism.
WELL SAID, SIR.
"let's drop of this crazy society with highly specialized labor"
(forms a society who benefits from trading with the highly specialized outside)
This is a co-op, or an extended family with equal people doing equally productive jobs.
@Sho Yu Weeni Read more.
"Have you ever wanted to drop out of capitalism?!" - sponsored by Geico! 🐊
PLZZZ 😭 IKRR
They also make goods to sell to earn money😂😂
@@Real_life_with_Kyle when i visited years ago they had begun doing publishing not hammocks because of third word competition
@@Real_life_with_Kyle of course. The ideea is to work for yourself instead of letting big bussnises to eat all the small ones.
@@Real_life_with_Kyle well, the bank that owns the land and the government that taxes it haven't agreed to participate, so what would you expect them to do?
The community asks to not be a called a commune. *two seconds later* journalist calls it a commune. Lol that’s funny
Call a spade a spade
🤣
Well, I mean, that's what it is.
It's operating virtually identically to a rural USSR and red belt commune.
@@lindenstromberg6859 did you completely miss my first sentence
😂
“Most residents don’t seem to be in a hurry to get back to the real world”. What about this is not the real world?
No. You’re a slave to jobs, to time, to basically everything that is considered “normal”. Humans aren’t meant to live like this. This is why depression, and anxiety exist. You barely have time for yourself or pursue your passion. Unless you live off your passion, and are making a living that sustains yourself, and you have time to do what you want, travel, follow your passions (and not be enslaved to jobs & debt) then good for you.
@@nullx6777 Feel the same bro
@@nullx6777 kind of seems like this commune thing does not solve these issues though. Doesn't seem like they have the resources to look after elderly/retired people, so if you live there all your life and then you hit 70 and start needing medical care, what happens to you.
@@JohnSmith-vg6hb they make 600k a year healthcare isn't an issue they said in the video that healthcare is given to the people living there they aren't completely cut off from the normal world they just choose to live apart from it in their everyday lives
@@nullx6777 @Null x most employed adults in the US work about 40 hours a week anyway. This is basically the same thing but they don't have to worry about losing their jobs or not making enough money.
I love that their community teaches people skills - that's all I ever wanted to learn in school but never did.
Tbh in the world you live there is no reason to learn this
That's called trade school.
Education is what YOU make it.
you wanna learn tofu making？
Move to china. You can make tofu for the ccp.
So the application is basically a vibe check loll I love it
Saaaaame 😂
That's how I would do it
that's on gen z, and im here for it.
what else would it be?
This is the perfect setting for a mockumentary like Parks and Rec or the Office
Omg yes
Trailer Park Boys
My new goal in life is to begin a community and fund it with proceeds from a mockumentary....
Portlandia
As a kid my family and I would visit twin oaks about once a year and let me tell you, the culture shock I would always have when we went from twin oaks to my conservative suburb was INTENSE.
Tell us more..that sounds so interesting
@@Noneofyourbyisness he probably died lol
😂
And, both are enabled -- the commune and the suburb -- by the freedom of the individual fostered by Capitalism.
@@kell_checks_in Bruh...
Hes right@@oliverbengtsson9198
Sounds like real-life minecraft server i could play with.
griefing about to be real fun
boring you cant kill/grief players
It’s basically playing on Peaceful mode.
GEICO exec about a couple months before this video was posted: how can we monetize anticapitalist sentiment among the Youths?
underappreciated comment
Generic cynicism. Capitalism means someone owns the means of production (land, minerals, factories, etc). That doesn't happen here.
@@charlesmahes9770 If someone, outside of the government owns it - - it's a part of capitalism
In the "commune", ownership of land and delegation of labor was clearly a democratic effort. Closer to communism than capitalism.
100%. Sadly its because hard work and labor are so far from reality for millenials that its actually a fantasy while they are on their parents couch playing video games.
For all the geniuses in the comments pointing out that this isn’t a literal escape from capitalism: Congrats! You are very smart! It’s impossible to create an entire economy with 30 people and you are a very smart big kid for figuring this out!
Lmao
i brought the gold star stickers! tell them to line up to get one=)
😂😂😂
Does this mean you're going to stop bashing Capitalism, then? Are you going to stop equating the freedoms inherent in Capitalism with the degeneracy of Consumerism?
I live at East Wind Community. For me the greatest benefit of living in an egalitarian intentional community is feeling equal. Money is power, so if you don't have a lot of it relative to those around you, you feel powerless and inferior. Living at East Wind has helped me feel more equal because everyone gets paid the same.
Another benefit is that no one can tell you what to do. You choose what kind of work you want to do and, in some cases, when you want to do it. If I'm feeling tired after lunch, I can go to my room and take a nap. I couldn't do that if I worked for an employer.
Weekly labor quota at East Wind for people between the ages of 18 and 49 is 35 hours, and that includes domestic chores. I choose to work 5 hours each day, 7 days a week, most of it in the community's largest business. Someone else does all my cooking, shopping, bill paying and most of the cleaning for me. This leaves me a lot more time to do the things that make life worth living.
There are some freedoms that you have to give up, but, for me, the trade-off is worth it.
Brian Crouthamel thanks for the insight. These places seem interesting, if nothing else for me than the potential of learning new skills without worrying about having money/resources to do so. I don’t know if I’d stay for ten years, but a year or two in a place like this could be nice-an experience to learn from.
Brian Crouthamel can you please go into deep detail about the downside of something like this?
@@ray0064 The things I think most people have a problem with are 1) Since the community collectively pays to support all the children that live there, a member must ask the community's permission before having a child. 2) If you own a vehicle, you are not allowed to keep it on the property and 3) At East Wind we don't have any flushable toilets (Twin Oaks does) - we have outhouses. These outhouses are heated and have hot running water to wash our hands with. Another issue, which is a big concern of mine, is that East Wind doesn't have any kind of financial retirement plan. Most large companies today have 401k plans and all of them contribute to social security. East Wind's income is distributed as dividends so social security payments are not required. If you start at East Wind when you're 18 years old and leave after 50, you can expect to have to work until you die because you won't be able to save enough to retire. For members who've been at East Wind at least 3 years, the community will give you about $4,000 when you leave. This amount has to be requested on a petition and at least half the full members have to sign it. Living at East Wind, if you don't plan to retire here, is a very bad financial decision.
If they are pooling all the money, and providing for people's needs, what do they do with the extra money? I assume extra money exists because this community has been around at least long enough to sustain itself at a break-even point monetarily speaking. Does it go back into land improvement, ect.? If so, who makes those decisions? What other decisions, if any, are made with extra money collectively speaking?
Thank you!! Sounds perfect to me. I'm actually very serious about joining one and in fact the one I'm trying to join is east wind!
The argument isn’t whether this is capitalism. That’s kinda missing the forest for the trees. The point is some people want to try doing capitalism a little differently. The title is clickbait, but intentional communities are a clever idea!
That's nice. Unfortunately, you have no right whatsoever to force other people to behave the way you dictate.
@@kylemccormack1785 I see a lot of people ragging on this but they're not homeless on the streets at skid row, doing drugs, committing any crimes, or living off of welfare. I really don't see what the big issue is other than maybe the title is a bit misleading. If they're content and not effecting everybody else then more power to them.
@@willn8664 Agreed. Problems exist with any system of community or government. But as you said, this is better than the alternative of homelessness or even aimlessness. People rot in stagnation. I would not fit in this community but for these individuals it works and it gives them purpose, even if for only a time.
This is litteraly how communism is meant to work, worker control of the means of production.
@@millerkriese3064 This is also not entirely dissimilar to the idea of what state representation was supposed to be like. The states were supposed to be in control of their own "community" with oversight checks and balances. But the issue is, and it is why people say communism could still work even though it never has, it only works on a small scale. Once a population rises beyond the communities' ability to relate to it, Communism falls apart. Individuals inevitably find ways to manipulate whatever system is in place because the greater good of the community is, as I said, not relatable. Communism as an idea is, arguably, a good, altruistic idea. But as a political system, it will always fail for this reason which is why Communism looks great on paper but has played out horribly in the past as a nation's governing structure.
Communities like this really are great. They aren't forcing other's to buy into their system, something that sets them apart from Communism, and it allows these individuals to find purpose and personal exploit of their skills and talents. Anything that allows people to pursue personal purpose and value, without infringing on others' liberty, is ok in my book.
And the most important part of it all is that it's voluntary.
Jim Jone's followers were all in Guyana voluntarily. They drank the
Kool Aid voluntarily, he didn't pour it down their throats. Think critically,
study history. This is fuedalism, quasi-slavery for affluent lost souls who need
a community to tell them what to do.
Jim Jone's followers were all in Guyana voluntarily. They drank the
Kool Aid voluntarily, he didn't pour it down their throats. Think critically,
study history. This is fuedalism, quasi-slavery for affluent lost souls who need
a community to tell them what to do.
It seems a bit hyperbolic to call it quasi-slavery, they seem quite happy, certainly much happy than many of my co-workers working 40 hours without half the fun, but in either case being free is being free to make stupid decisions.
Much like capitalism is..
KingOfGorillas There's always a top dog, and men will *always* get the shittiest labor intensive jobs. There is no fair. They will all walk away poor.
Having tried to make my own tofu, I definitely understand why you would need a Tofu Morale Manager!
"This Community Has Dropped Out of Capitalism"
30 Sec Later
"This community makes a good profit of 600k a year"
Do you think profit is something that only exists in capitalism. Profit is exploited under capitalism. Communist societies would share profit, which I assume these societies do to a certain extent
@@joraserepiravioli6119 Communist societies only share money with their elite. Nice try though
@@saintsman2010 a true communist community has no class and therefore there is no “elite”
@@user-dh6yv9uo4k Just like a true capitalist society wouldn't have government intrusion creating cronies
@@saintsman2010 a true capitalist society has rich cronies infiltrate the government that actually belongs to the people and the working class
0:15 Lol supported by Geico... anyone else find that ironic
Yay Geico loves communes lol
Random Sauce yup
Not ironic at all. Its a fact that Socialism can't work without some outside funds. This is why millions starved in Mao's utopia. It wasn't until the 70's when the Chinese started opening up to Capitalism.
15 minutes in the commune can save you hundreds on car insurance.
everybody needs insurance
Wow...so they became a tribe, a family ...and worked together... why do we get amazed by what we instinctively already know?
IT IS SATANIC COMNULISTISM
@@shadow_of_thoth Fist learn to spell.
Secondly, bring proof or justification to why it is satanic.
@@Rher_the_Moon idc if u say theirs not a diffrence between captilism and comlunism cuz u r WRONG and they r not the same
They are participating in capitalism, sure. but the commune itself is not capitalist. making money doesn't make you capitalist. having a capitalist who owns the means of production and makes all decisions related to it, makes you a capitalist
No. Partaking in capitalism, like in this community indeed, makes you a capitalist. Ironically enough, "owning the means of production and making all decisions related to it" is a perfect description of how a communist comittee would operate.
@@theulysses7236
with that logic, pretty much everyone is a capitalist, and that's just not how it works.
@@vilukisu Well, most people in the western world (who aren't brutally impoverished) certainly are. Granted, we're not all business owners, but virtually everyone of us (1) owns capital, (2) owns our own labour (which is essential to capitalism), and (3) partakes in the free market.
@Andrea ummm.. no?
I guess it would ultimately depend on how the cigar was produced and (perhaps more importantly) how you acquired the cigar.
Andrea I would say a socialist is someone who advocates for and uses a socialist economic system.
On the contrary, someone who would like to tax the “rich” higher and simultaneously want to use their own labour for individual profit, would not be a socialist.
This might be a strawman argument, but there aren’t that many actual socialists in 2019, which is understandable because socialism has completely failed as an economic system.
(sorry for these long answers btw)
But do they have Wifi
surprised no one responded- yes, they do. some people specifically work mostly online there, like running a business website. but also I'm pretty sure you can use it for personal use as well in your free time!
@Abraham Shekelbergstien Yeah they don't. they even say they don't. They need to pay taxes and healthcare. they aren't the ones who published this video, these people came to them to film. I'm sure they didn't have control over titles and such.
@Abraham Shekelbergstien These people run businesses. Title was for clickbait only.
Yes they do.
The internet is literally invented by the state...
Deceiving title. Story has nothing to do with dropping out of capitalism.
there is a question mark. and they say that exact thing during the video...
It's B.S. they are working long days days for nothing...
100 residents at 600k a year is 6k each. How well are you living for 6k a year?
They are a sweatshop producing goods to be sold on the open market. They're not much different than a third world country paying $.50 a day to a worker then selling the goods to the US for much more.
Sounds almost Communistic haha
I relate to hating working in a hierarchy. Makes me feel like a child as a grown adult.
Get back to work, or else I will send you to time-out at the homeless center!!!
So are you an anarchist?
Humans naturally make hierarchies
@@dogguy8603 While that's true, it doesn't mean that every man made heirarchy is legitimate. Anarchism is just the act of requiring all systems of domination, control and heirarchy to justify itself. If it cannot, then it should be replaced with something more democratic, operated from the bottom up. For example: There is a heirarchical relationship between children and parents. Most of us would agree it's atleast mostly justified since the reasoning is a difference in experience and competence. Now how about the relationship between a boss and a worker? Well, worker co-opts already exist and no economic study shows them to have a downside in any category, so it's safe to say that the "master-servant" relationship is an illegitimate heirarchy.
What, outside of completely solitary animals, isn't a hierarchy? Ants have hierarchy. Gorillas have hierarchy. What other option is there? Either be a hermit or have zero individuality, everyone a grey drone.
honestly seems like a cool place for young people to go and experience different stuff. learning trades is awesome. not your stereotypical commune that's for sure
I don't understand how this is different from a normal job. You have to apply to get in. Once you are in you have to work 40 hours a week in something that earns the "company" money. You then earn enough to be provided for. If you don't work you get fired / kicked out.
GamingTaylor There's no boss.
That's not necessarily true. It's a collective of people, so there's constantly going to be others watching what you contribute, and will kick you out if you are not doing enough. The senior members likely have more authority as well, so in respect they are the bosses.
I believe that's the philosophy at Valve too. Look up their handbook. It's like a high school I've heard. Culture is very different and of course there's going to be a popularity contest among the peers.
GamingTaylor Yeah but they feel useful. Their office job problably didn't make them happy
Biggest difference I think is that there's less pressure and less of a chance of becoming homeless and starving, more of a safety net with like minded people who care more so about you than usual outside of this community; also less people trying to nickle and dime throughout said process too. No shame or harsh penalties for not being the best, most competitive.
In soviet Russia Tofu Moral Manager just uses gun
Makes job very easy
I like this. I dont want to work for someone, I want to work with someone.
@Out Of Context wages are going down and quality of life has been dropping since the 50s. Communism may not be the right solution but capitalism sure as hell isnt it either.
How does running a $600,000 a year business qualify as "dropping out of capitalism" ?
StratoCentric Well they haven’t dropped out of capitalism. They basically exploit themselves to a lower degree thanks to the fact that there isn’t someone or some small group at that top that extracts a large chunk of the fruits of their labor. I don’t know how many of them are in the commune but you’d probably find that an equivalent 600k a year business doesn’t sustain as a good a livelihood for the same amount of employees as there are commune members.
Whatever the specifics, they pay a steep price for living like this in the sense that they’re disconnected from greater society. There are whole countries (Denmark, Sweden) that are well-organised, regulared capitalist economies (and societies) where you can usually work 40 hours a week and have a decent standard of living. In order to function they also require a high degree of taxation and regulation, and social cohesion around their system. There are certainly downsides to this system too, though you could argue Americans haven’t so much been given a choice but rather been forced into living in an ultracapitalist system and after the fact been made to abhore not just its opposite (ussr-style communism) but also its more moderate cousin (nordic social democracy).
Lol. 100% tru. These "communes" are no more than CULTS that make you work 8 hours a day for way below minimum wage.
Because the profits are divided equally
Good question. So is China capitalist or communist?
@@JackBegley55 well what does minimum wage get you in the greater urban community outside this commune? It seems like they get a hell of a lot more. Is the commune breaking the law ? It's against the law to employ someone below the minimum wage.
I was in a society like this, my experience was that some people will thrive in places like this, while some are just not able to function, me for example, but to take into the account that I don't function in a regular society either. Living like this can be a beautiful experience, but it requires equality in everything and I personally felt like I was losing my individuality. It is like hive where everyone is a queen and a worker at the same time. I did gain a lot from my time there but I wouldn't go back.
Sometimes its hard to find a home... ill be honest these places disturb me sexually i get a bad vibe from everytime feels like everyone is sleeping together and in some kind of weird relationship especially the older people running the0 place.
That’s communism for you.
craisins 86
Good riddance.
Ms Jay
Sorry, but you’re not a scholar of anything.
@craisins 86 homeless people have that freedom.
5:20 "You could break up with someone and they might start dating your best friend"
(Uncomfortable laughter)
Chris Edwards the way they spoke about it sounds like love island
🤣
that commune seems like a shit time for ugly guys
Gregory Everson I think it would be kinda better for them. Just look at beardo McBaldy from the video: apparently he met some partners in this commune and he looks like the villain from some cheaply produced tv show for kids.
I would assume that in such communes it’s probably less about looks and more about inner qualities
@@yourlocaltoad5102 nahhh shlong size lol
This story just popped up in my feed for the first time...
You should definitely continue to expand on these places and alternate lifestyles, having even more in-depth coverage of each intentional community you report on. In addition find & feature the many other different intentional communities or organizations that are out there, and their unique structures, benefits, problems, etc.
Good luck... Thanks.
It’s “crazy” to us, because we don’t live like them, generations of workers who’ve conditioned each generation of working for a living, being a slave to corporations.
These people have had enough, and decided to drop out of the life that is considered “normal”. These are what modern actual humans are supposed to do. Support each other, grow their own food, live off the land, and advance in technology.
In general, people live less stressful lives if they have to make fewer decisions. This could be everything from what you wear every day to what you eat to making important decisions at your job. What they've done is removed many microeconomic decisions the individuals have to make so living there is literally just a place where there's less to worry about.
Michail Kaus They get health insurance when they join the community.
Until they need chemotherapy or insulin
"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom"
This is a very good point, you have made.
Kudos to them. I don't think its really that "ironic" that in order to subsist in this world you have to participate in the economy. The world runs on money and an exchange of goods and services, and that is unlikely to change dramatically anytime soon. So of course you have to participate to some degree. Figuring out how to live on your own terms by transforming your role in the economy is the most important change. Groups like digital nomads, intentional communities etc are all great examples of humans breaking out of the generic 9-5 "cog in the machine" type of life.
Jessica Xu not really
found the adult.
Jessica Xu
What makes you assume that economic things won't suddenly change drastically? Things have suddenly changed for countless peoples throughout history x.x
Money is just a good medium for storing value. Because if you run a carrot farm and you have tons of carrots, you can't possibly exchange it all for good and services before the crop rots.
These people aren't really anti-money or capitalism I believe. They just don't like the nonsensical ladder climbing culture. Only psychopaths love it because they can stab people in the back to get ahead and reach the top.
BUT. WHO CONTROLS THE DEBT>
Drop out of capitalism, for only 99,90$ a day!
lol
😉
You do realize money exists in all kinds of economies and ideologies...in Romania there's a say that in comunism you had plenty of money ,free house with a job ....but nothing to spend on....not a fan of comunism...the pesants in power did some nasty stuff...but u're dumb for saying that
@@nerodumath1736 youre dumb for not realising this is a joke
@@nerodumath1736 "The peasant in power did some nasty stuff."
Waoh. You failed history.
So you saying having more money means you're intellectual than does who don't poses any currency at all?. Capitalism means money controls the state. Possessing more material good than others doesn't automatically claims you're smarter than does who don't because the people who founded this idea already inherite it. Illegalist and segregational laws rig your concept of a democratic capitalist utopia creating an oligarchy scam. The rich has always prevented the poor from earning more than does who have inherited. Totalitarianist brutes has always been in controls and their never leaving their position. You don't have to be a genius to point a knife at someone. Karl Marx the author of the communist manifesto is about the "needs" controling the means or productions. The thinker and the handymen are equally viewed.
Just because the totalitarian fash cherry pick marxs work and claims/stole hes terms doesn't mean it's communism.
As long as I can still have a career and social life with outside friends I would love to live in one of these communities at least for a time.
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Al Hummingbird
Still ironic. Communist utopic ideology can't pay the bills. Has it ever?
_"The people in this video seem to be very happy"_
The people in this video...work 40 hr/wk for their -employer- commune, then handing over a portion of the -profits- ??? in exchange for food, housing, etc.
Basically, they're practicing a smellier, hairier version of capitalism. So long as none dare CALL it capitalism, though, it's all good.
_"The state is not relevant in their small community. "_
Until you start manufacturing meth, or breaking any other law. "The state is not relevant, so long as you obey the state." LMAO.
_"Their is no poverty, no one is left out...their only requirement is to work a quota of 40 hours per week."_
Sounds EXACTLY like "having a job." You work 40 hours; in turn, you have food and a roof. (And if you don't, you lose job and acquire poverty.)
lol
There are millions if not billions of people working 40h/week or more and still struggle with food/rent, and it's not because they buy cigarettes or pokémon cards or whatever else someone could come up with.
I feel like the idea of being there is freeing. But the reality is it will be like living amongst your coworkers, in a trapped environment, and you have to fit in/apply. No thank you. 🙂
So true.....it's crap ,they just try to put on a fake smile.
@Lulu Jones errr have you watched the vid, theyre in an enclose environment
I imagine if you try to leave that would be difficult as well. You wouldn’t have the resources to do so
I'd be like ok so let's go see a band or a football game. Oh dear
@nismo510 you so sad with you’re life huh really shows
this seems like something conservatives would like if they werent so obsessed with being dominated by corporate monopolies. "hard work, responsibility, freedom," etc
No one gets rich from hard work alone.
And ultimately, be replaced by people who will do that for less
And capitalism. That's what the profit is all about. A wide range of ownership models are available under capitalism.
Honestly, I’ve never really found anyone who tried non-monogamy and actually ended up happy about it. Not saying it doesn’t exist, but from what I’ve discussed with people is it’s great if it’s for flings, and it’s great when you’re the centre of attention, but inevitably people get invested in other people, and it can be painful for them to not be a priority for that person. Few people can find happiness in a romantic relationship that doesn’t elevate you above other people. Even in most non-monogamous relationships, hierarchies can and often do develop and that brings tension. Of course, that’s why they say communication is so important, but I think it just doesn’t work for most of society. It’s not just social demands, it’s human psychology
Yeah I think it having a low percentage success rate is the big thing. It's not wrong it just probably doesn't work for most
W take
Not just human: even dogs are extremely jealous and fight for being the sole love of their group.
"Tofu morale manager"
Millenial🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂
@@topman8565 I see a lot of people ragging on this but they're not homeless on the streets at skid row, doing drugs, committing any crimes, or living off of welfare. I really don't see what the big issue is other than maybe the title is a bit misleading. If they're content and not effecting everybody else then more power to them.
@@willn8664 it was a joke about app these older people blaming millenials for everything
I went on a weekend trip to a similar place like this, it was wonderful, really fulfilling, and life changing. When the trip was over and we were about to head back home, we learned that the farm was going to be closing because they weren't going to be funded anymore, and it was heartbreaking. Many of us on the trip wanted to stay and volunteer over the summer, and when I got back home I missed the farm, its simplicity, the feeling of community, and enjoyment
" they weren't going to be funded anymore" Funded by who? Please like these need outside funding to stay afloat?
Nothing like the feeling of community which goes beyond the feeling of transaction
The feeling of being funded by other people...
Please don't be a cult,please don't be a cult, please don't be a cult.
If there's not an ideology and a "leader" then it's not a cult.
This system still depends on capitalism to survive. Didn’t drop out
g0tsp33d he can say all he wants but capitalism is the use of capital. Aka money. They still all have a form of currency
It's hard to live in a capitalist society without playing by it's rules. They're doing their best.
HeyitsShay why not move to a socialist society? I hear Venezuela is nice. Strange that commies want to live in capitalist society and always run from socialists
Couldn't agree more, I lived here for a while, they still completely rely on capitalism
@@williehawaii9967 maybe because I dont believe in the socialism Venezuela is doing? As well as Venezuela is suffering because America is trying to strangle socialism out of Venezuela
As a Virginian who grew up an hour or two away from here, I had no clue that this existed! Vice, you never cease to amaze me.
Right? This is a neighboring county.
"No boss to tell you what to do, you just do it". Sound like.....life in one's home: floor ain't going to clean itself.
It is their home. It seems they have more personally invested in it than an employee would.
Peter XYZ what if you dont gaf about a clean floor?
If you don't gaf about a clean floor, probably someone else will. Meanwhile, you might gaf about doing something else people find valuable. That's just one way to deal with it. I guess it depends on the number of people and how they've agreed to cooperate.
Siiri Cressey Exactly. Workers may feel alienated from their work if they are one person in thousands all working on a project they never profit from but nobody feel alienated from the products of cleaning their bathtub because now they can have more enjoyable baths.
I used to work in a call center. I would regularly ask my "superiors" whether what I/we were doing there actually mattered in the larger scheme.
They didn’t drop out of capitalism they dropped out of having jobs they didn’t like.
There’s a small amount of Americans who love their job , facts
@@24POWERS I do, but I hear ya. It’s tough out there.
Jobs are essentially what keeps people under the toes of few in capitalism. Consumerism is another factor that feeds capitalism. They have made their interection with capitalism limited.
Same thing
Labor can be pretty fun, feels fulfilling knowing you’re feeding someone or helping your community. Too many people are afraid to get their hands dirty or are outright selfish.
It’s fun when you’re helping people and not having to rely on doing it for 80 hours a week just to survive
I'm waiting for Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism™
Communes works well as they are comprised of volunteers willing to work for common goal. In a state structure there is too many people to build efficient "commune." You simply can't persuade the whole population to cooperate and that's where the repressions are coming to play.
I don't have a problem with small communities like this one, but for large populations capitalism works best.
It's not like capitalism can exist without repression, though. We still pay rent and taxes.
I would actual say that taxes are the only commune think on current western economic state systems. You are basicaly giving part of your work value for good of whole comunity, in pure capitalism there would be no taxes. Not saying that pure capitalism is system I want to live in. There would be no regulation of market, so all power would be hands of few monopolies. Quite scary idea.
makes actually a lot of sense
Nice point. That is why it is best to have socialist and capitalist properties, an equilibrium.
I don't think I could live where I worked unless I really really loved what I was doing. I would also be worried that I'm not saving for retirement there.
yeah thats the thing they like what they do there because they work together and aren't treated as lesser than a group of workers above them like bosses or managers
This is just like capitalism.. but just enclosed in your own bubble.. similar to how the Amish live..
Axel1797 not really
So true. But if I as a customer see their hammocks in a store next to some nylon piece of sht and they're relatively affordable, I'll buy from the bubble. And if I see some shed made by the amish compared to the other sht sheds, I'll buy from them. They are better capitalists if they make a better product. Maybe how people are treated affects the products quality? Maybe not.
@@dylansmith494 No the workers do not own the means of production... Means of production nowadays is idiotic, since all the value happens to be in software and technology. So literally everyone has access to make Facebook, Google, etc.
@James TuckerWhat are the means of production nowadays besides a computer? I can build a search engine using my laptop and AWS.
The communities themselves are not capitalist, but they participate in capitalism because the only real way to avoid that is total isolation from the rest of society.
"You work 40 hours a week and in return you get everything, food, housing, heathcare" - that is pretty much the description of every normal job in western society that pays an average wage.
You can find low productivity jobs that are not profit oriented any day of the week. For example security guard in a museum. productivity is zero, and if you like art, you can do it because you like it. As a matter of fact, in a free society, and for the people who managed to learn anything at all in school, there are thousands of jobs they can freely choose from to find something they like to do. Didn't find anything? Not to worry. Our free society has you covered: You can invent your own job and be as profit oriented and productive as you want. And here is the best part: If you don't need all the luxuries life has to offer, you can do with just 2-3 days of work per week. Beats farming Tofu and being so board out of your mind that you need at "Tofu Moral Manager"...
Except in this community you get to choose what type of labour you want to do. You get to enjoy working. You choose your own hours. It doesn't matter how you contribute, as long as you do, you get everything you need in a more free and open way.
Uhu... in your dreams maybe. Have you ever be a farmer or on a farm? Because nature is not waiting for your convenience. You either do the things when they need to be done or your work of a full season or cycle was for nothing. So, truth is, there is work to be done and it has to be done on time. You might be lucky to get the spot you want, but if that is filled you need to do something else. Just like in your home, actually. No matter how much you hate doing your dishes and cleaning your shitter, it has to be done or it stinks to hell. And about the "do what you want and be happy on your own terms": Notice how there are no old or disabled people in the video. Everybody is young, fit and ready to work. Well... reason for that is, that these alternative life concepts almost never have any kind of social system in place. Get paralyzed by a work accident or need several months of payed leave for reasons of health, a new baby or want a one month payed holiday? Nope! Pretty sure they boot you out with some nice words, a bit of Tofu and direct you at the next social institution to have good old tax payer pay the bill. Unlike in modern societies (let's exclude the USA from that), where general healthcare, social benefits and things like payed vacation and payed leave for young parents is not just a nice gift, it's a right. Good luck with that in Tofu Town, where you get "a small weekly allowance for things like chocolate". No thank you, i'm a grown up. I spend my money where i want, when i want. ;)
Olivio Sarikas lol chill dude. This place is voluntary. Nobody is making you live there lol. If people like the lifestyle, they can join and are accepted. Its a place for a specific type of person and you’re obviously not that type.
You didn't seem to have payed attention in school. Average = the average. Minimum is less than the avereage. Otherwise it wouldn't be called "minimum". Unless you work a job that does not require any skill, wage is skill based. So they pay you the standard amount, plus what you deserve based on years, skill and your negotiation. Does your job not have a wage negotiation? That means it's a shit job that really does pay minimum wage. Otherwise you get more.
"This is a society in which leisure is prioritized."
"Absolutely."
"Once you arrive you work around 40 hours a week."
Doesn't exactly jive.
Perhaps you’d like to add hours of commuting to your work week?
Oh wait, that’s the outside world.
Hands on with your own food and resources. Eating healthy, working* out and 40 is your max. I'll take it.
I think that the 40 hours includes domestic work that wouldn't be included in normal work life (cooking, cleaning, childcare, etc. for the whole community all adds up in your hours)
I mean, did you think they used some kind of communist magic to put food on plates 😂
Discipline is the deepest form of freedom.
The reason why this works is because it is so small
@@makoto.kokoroki it's meant to be small
Yeah it wouldn't ever work on a bigger scale
That dramatic head move of the cow at the end! Pricelss😭
This is a part of capitalist market. They haven't dropped out of capitalism
Dee Ray did you watch the video bc thats literally exactly what it says
Wes Peterson, It's a retarded clickbait title for this video and you know it. Saying the opposite at the end of the video doesn't change that.
Soldado, there is. The supermarket that buys their product sells it for a higher price. And if there was no supermarket to buy their shit, they would be poor and starving.
They also make less than 6k/year. Damn I'd love to be exploited for even 30k if I were them.
Peasant of Pontus,
The truth is in the middle, while that supermarket do exploit them, there is no *additional* capitalist that takes their profits from them.
This ain't a communist society. A market economy still exists, scarcity still exists. This is similar to socialism, but the fact that it still operates under a market, makes it inherently capitalist. Honestly, this is the closest we have to said society, but it still isn't yet done.
socialism is just capitalism with safety nets.
meroinheroin socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, the abolition of a market economy, and a state that works for post-scarcity.
meroinheroin profit is criminalized in socialism so nah
Socialism is, by its nature, entirely anti-capitalistic. It is a refutation of capitalism. You may as well say that up is down just not as down. They are related only in that they are opposites.
"Capitalism with safety nets" is the Democratic Party's thing (sometimes).
Socialism means a lot of things to many people, but in general it does away with the capitalist (the "1%")by removing them from the equation, having, as someone else said, worker ownership of the company (means of production), where the surplus (profit) is handled by the workers in the company, rather than going to the greedy pockets of shareholders, CEO's and boards of directors who by definition do no work.
Nowhere in this is a "safety net" included or even implied. A socialist society does not need to have social security, minimum wages, food stamps, subsidized tuition, or anything of the sort for it to qualify as a socialist society.
Supply and demand and other factors still exist in socialism, and profit can still exist but people will only become wealthier through the labor they perform, rather than through the labor that their employees perform.
REAL COMMUNISM HASN’T BEEN TRIED YET.
There's nothing anti-capitalist about this. They're just running a business with no pay.
I would like to live in a place like this but it would have to be for something more meaningful than making hammocks and tofu.
This is great -- if you want to live in the 16 century this is for you!
lo why the 16th century? who says you cant have internet or a phone
in the 16th century you would give most of your crops to the feudal lord.
I like the more personally rewarding way they participate with capitalism. If one doesn't enjoy their labors, why bother? Life is too short. Kudos to these people for recognizing that problem and addressing it with a way to both prosper and enjoy what appears to be a healthy lifestyle.
@Wade Guidry
You do realize that without people willing to work jobs they hate civilitation would collapse right?
@@jonguyton1 like mexicans cleaning toilets?
@@gregoryeverson741 amazon workers, fefex, people who ship packages, hospitals, etc.
@@jonguyton1 good, if it crumbles so easily , it was flawed in numerous ways to begin with
@@gregoryeverson741 Exactly!! They do it for money alone. They certainly do not enjoy it. Without someone to do jobs such as these that they hate we could not have civilization.
This is a profit-sharing capitalist venture......
Lots of people here seems to think that anything with money or markets is capitalism, that is a confusion.
Capitalism is an economic system based upon *private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.* Central characteristics: Private property, Wage labor, a price system, and competitive markets.
So this is *definitely* not a capitalist society, although it's not necessarily communistic either.
Having an entire commune producing their own products for profit and not all of society is private ownership.
Exactly, the community controls the means of production, profit is shared. They export things to support themselves, but are more-or-less practicing the principles of anarcho - communism.
Sounds more like an shitty corporation. And each earns about 6k/year. Seems like communism alright.
+svord00 But they also get food, housing, healthcare, etc. The 6k is just the extra they get for their personal desires, right?. I'm pretty sure that's more than your average American. 500 bucks after living expenses every month is huge for most people here, which is pretty fucked up if you think about it.
This is the life I want I honestly don't like society and the bullshit jobs 24/7. Just wanna live simple and happy.
Damn that makes me wanna cry..
I have always dreamed of a life like that in a community.
Don’t cry. Just keep reaching for your star. It may surprise you and meet you halfway. 😉⭐️
This is showing capitalism only that now you eat sleep and live with your coworkers.
Capitalism but it's also a slumber party.
Capitalism mixed with communism.
It's literally just a commune. It's too irrelevant and pointless to have a proper economic model.
@@frankiecal3186 That's literally China
no commute though
"Learn like, about like, gardening, woodworking, carpentry, *animal husbandry*" Spotted the Civ player
Lol
I worked in a cooperative myself for a few years and as exciting and sometimes important these projects often are they face a problem. You can't 'opt-out' on capitalism in a small scale, you can only overthrow it within a revolution. You may be able to sustain a project, but this makes only a fraction of your life and you are still dependend on other things like health care. Far to often I have seen people putting all their work and efforts towards small projects, creating their own cozy space with no time left for other important political work.
Taxes can get in the way of running a commune, if you as a commune only produce enough food, drink, clothing and other stuff for everyone to live off you won’t be able to pay property taxes, because to do that you would have to produce more than you need and sell it so that you can get the money to pay the taxes. And that’s not possible for most communes.
I’m glad she answered questions about dating and sex. I wanted to know that.
lol desi lifestyle
Men: dating is tough because if you break up you're stuck with them and they may sleep with your best friend.
Women: this place is great, no manogomy.
There you go gents
Curt L
They’re probably smarter than that. Unlike you, they don’t live in a cave.
@@AB-ou8ve the CDC begs to differ. STD transmission is at an all time high.
@@stroodlepup 😂😂😂
@@charlescoe226 That's #facts ✅ 💯
He's being dishonest. Look at the wording he uses to shift the blame from the best friend who betrayed him to the ex-girlfriend. It takes two to tango but I would expect much more loyalty to a best friend than an ex.
Did anyone get nervous when the guy was swinging back to the platform💀One swing to late and your back is done for.
I always want to live in a place like this, it's exactly my dream life! We share the same value. The only problem is I am not American, no visa, no money, guess this is only a dream😭
Communism exists for that purpose, but if you want to do it right you'll have to look at previous Socialist experiments and adapt them with modern technology and experience.
The people who run these places should have their own You Tube channel or even a radio station. I used to intern at a small volunteer-run radio station that kind of reminded me of a commune in some ways. We were constantly interacting with the public over the phone and new and interesting people were always coming in and out. There was a lot of drama. I have a short video about it on my channel. I think it'd be a cool idea to have an actual commune that's based around a radio station. Actually, I think that would be a good idea for a novel - maybe some crazy religious cult that fronts as a harmless hippy commune in the '70's. They run their own radio station, where they attract new members by befriending the people who call in to make song request and participate in talk shows. Sounds like a Stephen King novel, lol :-)
If you are after a weird story based around community radio you have to listen to Welcome To Night Vale.
www.welcometonightvale.com/
Did you pick beans 40 hours a week and got paid in beer and chocolate? Did
the station make 600k profit a year exploiting fragile trust fund babies? Think critically, this is not the same thing. Did pretty girls work inside making hammocks, while the less beautiful people squatted in the rain and snow and picked beans 40 hours a week, overseen by a creepy old dude? Yeah, not the same thing.
I've done a short documentary type video about the station I was talking about. It's on my channel.
I didn't say it was exactly the same thing.
I disagree.
How are they getting out of capitalism when they are still producing products for a market?
Baratu yes i think so
did you even watch until the end of the video. leader addresses this
of small about how money changes hands.
Community is not Communism
Ever heard of market socialism, or mutualism?
I think it’s better not to be able to run away from someone if you break up with someone. That defeats the throw away mentality of humans.
$600,000 profit per year is full capitalism.
nothing like a rope swing & discussion about the meaning of life being to have fun in the intro of a video to paint a real serious & not at all hippy yuppie view of collective livin
that´s Homesteading.
Can see myself going to that small community and learning new skills n I love the hole green country place n I kinda like it, it feels better then living in a neighborhood or a city
Where do I sign up?
6:59 Lol I died. That cow is the best.
So much is unsaid here. Is there a council that decides who is admitted into the community? Who enforces work schedules? What's the criteria for expulsion? there must be some set of rules and those rules must be enforced by a "hierarchy", else the place would not last
gl0bal74 - since you ask sincere and thoughtful questions...
You are right...this is a short and somewhat inaccurate synopsis of a long-running and extremely complex community. They have a visitor program where you can stay for three weeks, living and working in the community. It is part of the application process, but you certainly don't have to apply to participate. You also get lots of orientations and opportunities to ask questions. Check out twinoaks.org for more info.
To answer some of your questions... there are teams who manage the different areas.They are not "bosses" exactly, but they are entrusted to keep things running smoothly. Every decision is available for dispute/appeal by various methods too complicated to go into here.
The entire community has an opportunity to give input on applicants, and the Membership Team considers it and makes the decision, which is open for appeal by any member.
There are systems for ensuring members are keeping their agreements, including an expulsion process. The systems are not designed to punish, but it can feel that way at times. They are more to help an individual and the community decide whether this is a good fit.
There are many, many policies and guidelines at Twin Oaks (one of the reasons the more anarchistic Acorn was started). They are enforced by the aforementioned teams, and everything is done in a public way. I would say the level of transparency is what makes Twin Oaks really different from life outside. Every member has access to all financial data, labor data, etc. and everyone owns all property equally (except what you keep in your room).
I'll also add, since others have mentioned:
As you age your work requirement decreases each year, and if your health is bad enough you may retire early with the Health Team's consent. You still have full access to all benefits of membership until you die or drop membership.
There are children born to members; some at hospital, some on property. Parents choose public or home schooling. At age 18 you either leave or apply to become a member. Two members have a podcast called communedads: soundcloud.com/communedads
Twin Oaks has been around 50 years. The membership tends to make careful fiscal decisions to ensure longevity.
It was Vice who named the video, and no one living at Twin Oaks is under the impression that they are free from capitalism. There are "office jobs", including accounting, marketing, customer service, order fulfillment, etc. Child care, cooking, communal laundry, and many other tasks also count toward your labor quota.
There is internet, people go to Charlottesville and Richmond regularly, date outside the community, some have jobs outside, and everyone is free to participate in the world. There really truly is no leader, though certainly people with varying amounts of social power. It is a unique place with some innovative ways of living. It is not perfect, and doesn't claim to be.
-A former Twin Oaks member (obviously)
Im...not sure what to say..... You posted a thoughtful, reasonable, enlightening reply to my questions on youtube..... Im very thankful. and Im already looking forward to our next interaction
I. Wetpaint may I ask u why u left the community ??
Hmmm. As with most thing in life, there's no simple answer. It is an incredible place with some really great people and I miss it a lot. It is also a hard life full of work and compromise, and you know intimate details of 100 other people's foibles and struggles, which can get overwhelming. I guess I realized I didn't have the social energy for it, and though no one called me out on it, I felt my resultant reclusive behavior was not fair to the community.
I. Wetpaint ohhhhhh....Thanks for sharing
I used to work at a food coop(MD Food Coop) and we would order our tofu from Twin Oaks. Its good stuff. A few of my friends lived here for a while too.
_Walden Two_ is a book I encountered in high-school, but though I've recommended it to people, occasionally, I can't recall ever meeting another who's read it, otherwise.
So people there working for food and selling their products to biggest grocery chains in US. Who’s taking care of the profit?
Dmitriy Polynov right
They manage it together everyone gets a say in how the money is spent
Ok if you say so
Exactly like a board of shareholders? Lmao
Hunter But shareholders(most of them unless unionized ) don't work to finish the product, the workers decide that here.
You know, I was expecting some typical Vice cringe, but this was actually pretty decent. They explicitly talked about the irony of them trying to escape capitalism, the guy they interviewed said explicitly that capitalism (overall) had won, and other stuff. They presented this in a pretty decent way, I've gotta say.
What an absolute masterclass in the subtle coercion embedded in small communities.
This is still a form of capitalism.
That’s really cool a nice change honestly
What's cooler, not having to make personal choices about what you get to eat, not getting to own any personal property, or not being able to avoid people you hate because you're stuck with the people who are at the commune? You still have to work 40 hours, except the best things in life, what you consume, what you buy, who you make friends with now are completely out of your control.
Do you hate free will and options? Because all these people seem to be doing is giving up on all of that. This is like not having to be an adult and your parents take care of everything for you... Except you still have to work, lol.
That's not true. All of these people chose to live there on their own accord. They can leave whenever they want. They're still getting paid and can use money to pay for what they want or save it. God forbid you trade absolute tyranny at a 9-5 job with constant fear that you will lose your job and livelihood for not wanting to see a particular person in a commune. Idk what about this is anti freedom or options. Not for you? Great, not me either. I prefer cities. But your argument for attacking this has no foundation except Vice put 'capitalism' in the title.
did you watch the video Stan?
They don't receive money, they don't receive pension, they don't own any stake in their company, they get nothing for their resume. They are utterly dependant on the people running the commune, and the longer they participate the harder it would be to integrate back into society. Who is going to hire these people if they leave this and try to go back to a normal job? Is there a huge market for hammock weavers out there? Imagine if they leave at 30 and decide this was a mistake, they have nothing in the bank, no credit history so they can't even get a credit card, basically no personal possessions, and they seemingly haven't been employed for a decade. You're a hobo with no job experience and no skill in your 30's. Yeah sure sounds like a great idea to leave the commune.
I really am having trouble understanding how this isn't just like continuing to live with your parents where a father figure makes all the hard choices for you, takes cares of your necessities, but doesn't pay you, except your chores have extended into a 40 hour work week. Real appealing if you don't want to grow up and hate having the freedom of making personal choices.
Cameron Roberts they live in the middle of nowhere. They don't receive money for their work outside of some small allowance. I doubt they have easy car access. What party are they going to go to other than the other nearby communes? They don't buy the food, they grow most of it, how do you think they get to choose what they eat? They would have less options than the high school cafeteria.
They don't get to choose what they do, they get to do whatever is needed within the commune. There is a finite list of tasks which could be done within the commune. You think they can decide they want to do electronics, or design, or art? It is the exact opposite of having a choice, and no, people who live in the real world and get to choose their jobs do not envy that unless they're unskilled individuals who hate personal responsibility.
The point about skills in the real world wasn't about striking it rich after you leave. It's about not having the option to leave at all. To potential employers, these people are borderline hobos.
These guys are just close friends doing work they love.
Mr. Lello 333 ❤️
They still have to work 40hr/wk manufacturing commodities.
Legit been thinking about joining one of these lately
As have I.. or starting my own on a very small scale for just my closest friends and myself.. I have a pretty talented group of friends, the possibilities are truly endless if everyone committed.
This is cooperation, a form that allows a whole group to benefit together, in a larger economic environment.
See some documentary about village cooperation in the north of Spain
Mondragon.
Interesting part is that the first idea and organisation of cooperative Mondragon came from village priest, 70 years ago. That is before global flower power movement.
I like how Keenan accepts the fact that Capitalism prevails but they just have a different way of contributing. This is the mindset people need to have. Understand the best way for economics and that just going to college and getting a boring job isn't the only way to do it. Thumbs up to this guy
Alex Bradley balance is key to life.
"You hate Capitalism, yet you live in a Capitalist society?" I'm sick of this argument. First of all, Marxism makes a distinction between personal and private property. You can own personal possessions, you just can't exploit the workers while taking the excess profit of their labor. Secondly, the workplace must be run democratically by the workers (something which "Tankie" nations seem to have betrayed) rather than having one small board or a CEO run everything undemocratically. Third, this is like telling a peasant living in a feudal society that they are hypocrites for working with farm tools provided by their Lords. We can push for a better society. But until actual momentum picks up, we still need to participate in that society. We cannot just tell our landlords "Oh, um, I'm a Socialist. I don't believe in money or rent!" and get away from paying it. Furthermore, it isn't our fault that most major industries are controlled by a few small corporations which we currently have not much choice but to buy from. You are not a hypocrite just for seeking to maintain wellbeing in a Capitalist society.
Once you sleep out in the nights cold alone you start to think working as a team with others could be benificial. It has it quirks.
I absolutely love this! My husband just past a few months ago and I am heartbroken. This would be something I would be interested in, maybe a few years down the road when my kiddos are grown and gone. Thanks Vice!
sorry for your loss
Thank you
This is actually how humanity spent the majority of its history. Living in egalitarian tribes of about 50 to 150 people, specializing in certain trades, trading, bartering and interbreeding with other tribes as they come and go.
I think this is viable. You don't need straight-up capitalism for it to work; just trade.
Yeah thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather live in a town or even in a rural mountains area where I can work hard and keep whatever I earn to myself and do the hellever I want with it and still make some friends rather than sleeping with my cousins.
@@mr.normalguy69 if you're talkin about a rural mountain community, you're still sleeping with your cousins. Sorry.
@@elizabethsmusicandarts1590 I don't think so, because everyone I'd be living with would be absolute strangers to me with no relation or whatsoever.
Human living standards improved drastically since industrial revolution.
Capitalism is better than everything preceding it.
Exactly. Humanity spent the vast majority of its history living dirt poor. Living in the way seen in this video does nothing to contribute to the technological advancement of mankind. That's fine. It's completely their choice and good luck to them. But if everyone had decided to live like this these people wouldn't even have the tools needed for their wood workshop or tofu processing operation. We're very lucky that the incredible benefits of capitalism and freedom were realised years ago.
It's all fun and games until they drink kool-aid 😕
Triss Merigold the world is dark
PSH it 10am currently. 😂
Until someone wants more!!! Or a major disaster hits! Or someone watches hip hop music videos!
Goal is to find the balance between community and individualism. It doesn’t matter which societal structure you live in if you can care for yourself and others. Do your part and be well rewarded.
That girl said I need all of y'all 😂😂😂 5:01
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