As a general contractor i would go after the manufacturer as if they sent you promise date and failed then they owe you something as far as discount. I would also make sure they dont try to get you with covid price increase
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If the problem is just the pay station and you can run the wash manually... you could just hire someone on a temporary basis to take payment and start the wash for the customer.
@@JyroOne "you can get basic push button Playstation for $50k and less including installation." 50K for a basic PlayStation that's insane.. i know times are hard with all the scalpers but that's crazy.
Welcome to the industry. You have all the right ideas, and seem to be heading in the right direction. You just have to experience some things like any other industry and it all becomes a routine, been at it myself since '08.
I learned after my 2021 laundromat build. Have a drop dead day. Everyday after reduces the price of the job by $100. But you have to put that in the contract from the start. Any project that will close your business has to have a deadline. Makes the contractors and subs have some skin in the game.
@@InvestmentJoy Wouldn't have to be very large if there are multiple contractors... I'd say if your investment is only 100K in the revamp, then that drop dead date if it is firmly set at 1 year after work is first started would have saved you a lot of money at this point. 365 * 100 dollars * 3 contractors... they'd be paying you at this point.
@@InvestmentJoybecause it's their form and they don't want to pay for liquidated damages so they don't even include it. Everything is negotiable. Next time make sure you have an agreement in writing before work begins. If you sue them now attorney fees will more then likely be more than it's worth and work will likely stop before it's even finished
@@TT-ik3kdit happens every day. Most contractors don't read what they sign. Hell most people never read what they sign. Have you read every contract you signed BEFORE you signed it? I know I have and if there is something I don't like I renegotiate
I would be going after those that committed to timeframes for it. As an AV project manager I feel your pain. On the soap dispenser the manufacturers tend to use the acceptable level of spec to make things work to curb expenses, they're just tripping themselves up an get clients that don't return. The best recourse is to demand from them to install higher spec hoses so that you can refer others to them and keep buying from them... Or take your business somewhere else. Good luck, and thanks for all the openness and information, I'm learning a lot and I believe others too.
It would help to know if that was a projected date or more of a firm guaranty. Obviously if the distributor or installer is unable to get the items they need its not their fault.
Seriously dude he’s right! We have two automatic car washes in town, but the one with the pink LED lights washes three times as many vehicles. Both are well maintained, but pretty lights win!
Keep your head up Brandon!!! You’re a great person and your channel is still great. I always watch your brother’s channel as well. Keep up the great work!
I'm really looking forward to seeing the new improvements made. I'm north in Cleveland and I eventually need to stop by. I like both ends of soap you use. The alkaline will clean grime and acidic will remove minerals and water spots. I know you mentioned a ceramic previously and as an upcharge you'd have cars even easier to clean and protect plus chemical resistance. I think you're doing amazing! I hope to visit some day! In the meantime be safe and well!
HOSE SOLUTION Hey there first off love your content and everything you do thank you so much for that. A little background for me I have repaired car washes for over 7 years now and I've had to deal with many busted hose problems. My immediate solution for any kind of high pressure no matter what PSI you are running is to use hydraulic hose with JIC fittings. I've never had a single one bust on high pressure water at any of the locations I have serviced. Depending on how you get it if you do it yourself it's about $3 a foot or if you go to your local auto parts store it may be more but most places like Napa can actually make the hose for you. Just be aware that you will pay a premium up front but it will last you years. The other benefit of getting a nylon core over steel core hose is if say your hose gets worn down because it's going over a corner and you do get a leak you can easily cut it and put a union in to repair it instead of replacing the entire hose. I hope that works out for you if you have any Car Wash questions please hit me up!
This is what we ended up doing after the video. We had a couple more rounds w/ installers telling us the 200psi line was in-spec and just fine to use in this application. We ended up going with 3000psi hydraluic, steel braided hose. No failures so far.
You have valid points for negotiation with the implied possibility of litigation. Lawsuits basically help no one other than the lawyers, but the threat of a lawsuit often results in concessions and adjustments.
@@TheRm65 bah thats it in canada unless its for small claims forget trying to self represent without any legal background lawyers need to get paid and without litigation then they wouldnt have a job its worth getting representation or else suffer consequences such as being disrespected etc in court.
After my last renovation from you know where. I had given them a start date at the beginning of January, but they didn't start until the end and we moved back into our house 3 days before I gave birth to my son. They were supposed to be 3 weeks for what they were doing. It was fixing flooring and laying new flooring, trim work, and carpet and redoing the bathroom. Which was a tub with molded surround, new tub hardware a prefab vanity and just rehooking up the toilet. It was not a huge project as it was only 900Sq ft of appt. I checked in often and it is like they worked for the first week sat for 2 weeks did nothing a bit the third and when I said we need to be back in it was a crappy rush job. This time around for a basement it will have many more clauses to protect me the homeowner against shotty work and nonwork/delays.
I’d start the process of going after them and them seeing that you are changes a lot and really lights a 🔥 under peoples butts especially when it’s viewed by the public on social media.
your problem with the quarters spilling on the ground is that you need to place the bucket under it before you open it so ones that fall out of the box fall into the bucket instead of the floor. Also your an amazing influencer and entrepreneur I like you bro
It's a business decision on the owners end. At some point once we get it straightened out will do free vacuums for customers who use the new wash. Whether you realize it or not you're paying for the vacuum in the long term because the owner offers free vacuum as an incentive to join their membership program. And in the membership program you're paying even though you don't wash your car on rainy days
I manage a heavy commercial and industrial HVAC company. We are experiencing longer equipment delays than during Covid, and it will not get better. Manufacturers no longer have to pay to keep inventory stocked on hand, they manufacture the equipment when it’s ordered. We don’t send any contracts out anymore that don’t protect us from equipment delays beyond our control, installation dates are an estimate anymore. Grainger sells all kind of high pressure/high temperature hose rated far more than 200 psi, all different diameters as well.
@@InvestmentJoy we ordered a rather large replacement rooftop HVAC system for a hospital last month. Normal lead time for that system used to be around 4-6 weeks. This time it’s 66 weeks, yes a year.
@@InvestmentJoy We have a school project ongoing, school work is usually scheduled around summer break for major work, obviously. That Job has some Trane equipment that when the job was spec’d out by the engineer was a 20 week lead time. After the equipment was ordered, that changed to 50 weeks. Small issue if the brand new wing of an Elementary School doesn’t have heat or A/C for 30 additional weeks…
I would put some sort of moisture sensor or water level sensor to alert you of leaks or blown hoses. Where did the hoses fail at the connection I notice they are hose clamped. Not all clamps are created equal. If it's coming apart at the fitting try putting a oetiker style clamp on it.
jfc, go to your local parts store and get a hydraulic hose made. no hose with a hose clamp is good over 100 psi. and why have electronics in the same room with water hoses? buy a server rack to put electronics in to protect it
I am a GC here on west coast and build these car washes. If you got 15 years out of that FRP that is amazing as most FRP installations don't last 5 years. If our client wants FRP in their tunnel we will not warrantee it as it simply does not last. We use a spray on fiberglass over a Dens Guard / Dens Armor substrate (fiberglass based board). We have a subcontractor that comes out and sprays the whole tunnel and it lasts 30+ years or longer (never had a call back on one yet). Chances are that when you tear off the FRP in your tunnel you will find mold which will require the replacement of the substrate.. Also, I would not use FRP outdoors around you vacuum units...It won't last. Good Luck.
That's really interesting. For our automatic we used extra Tech which is more or less coroplastic. FRP has been the recommendation to us for quite some time because people tend to be on the walls with the brush during the winter and the expanded plastic wall gets very brittle in the cold but FRP does not. I'm very curious does your solution hold up well to people beating it?
@@InvestmentJoy YES...Once the fiberglass is sprayed on it stands up to hammers or anything heavy that bumps into it. Obviously not a car that rams it...But that will only do local damage and can be repaired a lot easier than FRP.
As a diesel mechanic I'd say use hydraulic lines instead and have them made at a Parker store. Since your in Ashville the closest Parker store is in canal Winchester. Or maybe even napa could help you right down the street. Take both the hose and all the fittings related to the hose
I work for a gas station that has a car wash and were still getting delays in the supply and labor area's. Not sure much can be done in either case but wait. We've tried to sidestep and use other companies and find our own parts needed with little to no positive results. Good luck
Being in the c-store wholesale fuel business my father always said every time we invested capital in land and buildings no matter how new and shiny it was always the people that made the difference .
@@InvestmentJoy Quite a few back in 70's - 90's , unfortunately the EPA politicized environmental regulations and cleanups of properties and there was a cash grab from the State and environmental cleanup companies . Watching your video was great but my first thought was the hell the water regulations you must be up against but I don't know , it was just a feeling .
Braided PVC vinyl hose for anything high pressure. While you might have something rated for 200 PSI. You will in time experience bulging and eventually a line busting. Not all of those lines would call for higher tho. Its very dependent on the situation without seeing things in person hard to make a call tho. PVC > Rubber at the end of the day.
Hose burst issue-Is that going to your chem injectors? If so check your pressure regulator. turn on an output with a small flow (tire cleaner for example) and make sure the pressure isn't excessively high. I use continental insta grip which KR has and have never had a problem like that it has a 300psi working pressure. A friend of mine is using yolink for many applications at his var wash including water detection and vibration (vandalism) and he highly recommends them.
You have to get like 3 or 4 washing boxes, so where the customer can wash their car by them self with a pressure washer ect. Then you can make it 24/7 open. Here in The Netherlands we have the same, were making 40.000 euro a year, without the carwash !
This is a good example of cow business is harder than people think. Lots of people believe that business is doing nothing but make money and rip people off. There's another side to that coin.
Definitely change out the underspecced hose. No question. Most towns with an industrial base will have hose specialists. Failing that go to the next bigger town. Similarly, there should be some repair company, local or up the chain, that can come up with an idea how to put the carwashes into service- used parts, manual runnings, liek the guy says a human addendant or two. Remember car washes are season- the busiest is early spring- like right now. Don't miss it! If the vacuums work, but the carwash doesn't- put a mobile temporary street sign sign and run the vacuums for free for a couple weeks, just to get people to pull in. People are crazy "place-specific"- it's hard wired in us, long story- but if someone comes in for a freebie...they will be back.
Get a guy to check the wash daily. That 200psi hose is a bypass for the high pressure unloader it looks like. If you are blowing that hose, you've got nozzles plugged on the high pressure. Or if you are using hot water, could be cooking the hose. Been repairing carwashes 25 years, I've see that blow lots. Clean nozzle and it's fine
Simplify the process. Hire an attendant to process cc transactions. Install a temp switch to start machine giving everyone a high end wash for same price.
While the 200 PSI hose may be able to handle 250 PSI on occasion, it's not designed to do it on either 1000's of cycles or for long durations, else they'd rate it higher. I'd go at least 300 PSI rated to give it some margining, but 500 PSI just that much better.
I'm surprised you don't have commitment dates/penalty clauses for non-performance. I would consider trying to encourage a faster delivery, potentially alternatively source, while having your attorney prepare a Nasty-Gram to ding them for breach of contract. But, I don't know all the details.
The reason that 250psi hose keeps blowing is because it has too much back pressure. Looks like the side blaster hp line. We fixed ours doing that by adding more gph nozzles to the side blasters. assuming thats a washworld or a laserwash
I would look at penalties when negotiating your contracts etc even with buying the machines etc see what room you have and put in the penalties give them that kick up the arse to get the job don within a timely manner a few days a week or 2 at most within reasons acceptable 3 months is ripping the piss tbh
@Investment Joy deffo don't know how it varies from the uk to the us But normally theres a contingency allowance for overun and for means outwith any parties control but ultimately when you go to tender they should be scoping how long parts etc will be for arrival and provide it in there qoute and allows a fair contract to be wrote up that favours both parties Hoping you get it sorted love to see more car wash videos keep it up
I'm surprised your car washes do good at all. I guess is different market than most I see. Most of these car washes like this our totally gone in our area and have several of the new ones that are manned, you drive thru and includes free vacuum at the end. No timer on vacuum cleaner or having to put change in. Can even sign up for monthly deal and get you car washed as much as you want.
If you’re not hurting, just keep getting updates. If it were me, I’m broke, so I’d probably hand wash cars in the bay so I can make some money to pay on the loan.
There's probably a lot of water hammer happening with solenoid opening and closing... That style hose clamp isn't the most secure. I'd look into an industrial hose supply to make crimped hoses with the proper fittings.
I had the same problem when I got my emergency whole home electricity back home generator. I paid the contractor half and was ready to pay them the other half. They had problems with labor. I had previously tried to hire a different contractor first but he told me he didn't have a plumber for the gas work. They were supposed to install this in a month and it took them 6 months due to holidays and 2nd wave of coronavirus hitting.
Take that problem hose and the fittings on the end and replace it with a high pressure hydraulic hose. Until that time double clamps on either end, using high quality clamps. 100% stainless
I'd build a payment box myself. Raspberry PI hooked up to a Square? payment gateway, screen, camera with qr code scanner, notifications for you. Then you have more control of the whole system. You've got GPIO to trigger the doors or lights and other features, You've got the ability then to run your own website, memberships, promos etc and get the box access to it. Maybe a local makerspace could help you get there if that's kinda out of reach.
Regarding delays in systems 2+ years later look at the backlogs in restaurant equipment. Most major equipment have delays. Right now getting some new ice cream machines (non refurbished) can take up to 40 weeks, grills/fryer units up to 26 weeks and other equipment almost as long Right now the company I work for we have delays in some repair parts for equipment that is nearly 3 months on some items. We removed the bad equipment to storage and are using back up equipment in their places. Fortunately over the years we got into the habit of stockpiling common parts that fail and have kept older equipment in storage simply to strip parts from them. We expanded our search for repair parts and even rebuild some parts as needed People simply can't grasp how vast the covid pandemic hit the world. From 1918-1924 the "Spanish flu" pandemic hit and affected over 1/4 of the population. Covid not only affected more people physically but also supply chains forged over decades that can be snapped by a single failure in one point
@@InvestmentJoy believe me I totally understand on equipment delays Just short of 2020 there was a huge back log on getting credit card reader replacements. In some of out restaurants where we had 3/4 registers we had to remove one and use it on another for weeks before we got new units in. Of course part of this is due to where we are allowed to send items in but still it sucks. Recently when we moved our repair facility into a new larger building we sent back more than 2 dozen card readers that we had on site due to the repair center not accepting returning units except 1 for 1 swaps We are planning on having roughly a dozen of the main card readers kept on hand once we can get more units and are swapping some readers with different ones
So my thoughts. Frp covered walls are a thing of the past. They age, dont look good, and arent smooth. I like the bare concrete look, bright LED lights, the fancy new looking led light vacuums that are just the wands, etc. Well lit and trendy. Frp says old school.
You need to replace those 200psi lines to 500psi or 600psi lines. Always go at least double psi lines higher than needed on these lines this will help protect you from faulty lines. Many lines today are made from sub standard materials. I have owned power washers, air lines, and power sprayers and learned not to trust parts based on specs. so much stuff is more Bs specs than fact. Better to spend more for quality now than later paying for what sub quality cost in repairs and down time
I'd think this would be the logical choice, but we ended up cutting part where the plumber tells me I'm wrong and that it's totally fine to use a 200psi rated hose in a 200psi rated application.
I would be like I can't wait that long. I can't have this be down for too long, and we're almost back into normalcy if it was me I would pressure them a little bit to deliver at the deadline that I set after numerous delays if they can't deliver I'll have to find someone else.
A self service with an automatic car wash is not an investment.... its a tax write off. Just a tip. Keep them coming back, don't skimp on the presoaks or wax/drying agents.
I work in the hvac industry and lead times on certain pieces of equipment are just ridiculous and what we have grown accustomed at this point. Unfortunately in your situation it’s nothing new in terms of constant push back from manufacturers. Talking with reps, and what I have heard is that manufacturers with these constant delays are the ones who are not sourcing their parts from other manufacturers, which is causing delays. When you have a final product that is only compatible with once part that is gonna create problems.
@@InvestmentJoy the problem is there is not much incentive for it as long as the manufacturers keep getting the purchase orders and the quality doesn’t dip then they will delay shipping out the equipment. With the car wash I am surprised you did not hold off on having it installed until all the parts arrived. I’m not sure in what condition the existing equipment was in or the reliability was but I have to assume having revenue come in even with a run down machine is better than no revenue. Was there a reason the contractors wanted to push this project ahead without all the parts?
@@InvestmentJoy I think the theory is Custom parts creates a long term revenue stream as we are the only source. That is biting many in the behind these days. I worked in HiTech: Our rule was no such thing as using a part with a single source (that was not made in our shops 😀). IMHO Way to much stuff is made for a short life with no chance of being economically repaired. and ends up in land fill/scrap heap.
I am in the exact same situation you are now. My Wash World Razor showed up on December 20th. I have done everything my self so far and just have electrical left. Hope you get this thing finished soon. What brand/model is your new pay station?
I’m an industrial mechanic. I think 200 psi is asking a lot from lines held on with hose clamps. Go talk to a farm equipment dealer. They can probably make you hydraulic lines that would be good for thousands of psi.
@@InvestmentJoy they might be hesitant because it’s going to be running water and not oil but the inside of the line is rubber so I can’t see it being a problem.
It's difficult to say what I'd do. I hate that Corona still has ripple effects throughout every industry, even to this day. Sadly I to am at the mercy of supply chain for some parts, with no relief in sight. It's a poop sandwich for sure, especially on our end where we just have to sit and wait.
It would be easy to change the hose to a 500 psi go walk into any hydraulic hose company and ask them to make you one with 3/4 fittings at least that’s what they look like
water hammer can cause pressure spikes that will burst hoses that are rated slightly above operating pressure. water hammer occurs when water is running through a pipe and is suddenly stopped, usually by an automatic valve (solenoid). the water slams against the closed valve, and a pressure wave reflects back. in building plumbing, you can get a device called a "hammer arrestor" that is placed near the valve.
After research we have one, the issue is the regulator still jumps up once in a while due to vibrations, we put on a blow off valve and went with a 3kpsi hose
If it was 300k for that property, then I would just sell off any items and level that area to build apartments or houses. People don't like to use these old-fashioned manual car washes. The touchless wash with free vacuums is what everyone goes to.
You mentioned that you done 1,200 car washes in a month. Think at that rate it would be impossible to make a profit but hope you do. You might want to see if somebody can make you quality high pressure hoses. We never used flimsy hose clamps above 75#'s. I joined a close by car wash that I only pay $32 a month for unlimited best of the 3 types washes they offer. Have two lines that are both running on busy days. They have approximately 75 spots for vacuuming cars. They have the absolute most powerful central vacuums. Powered by eight 40 horsepower motors. I get 6 to 7 car washes a month so it only cost me $5 a wash. Did electrical work for a car wash. Guy did a great job maintain equipment but every week something needed fixing. Good luck with this. Smart to go with three phase motors whenever possible. They produce great starting torque and no capacitors to burn out .
Hi, love the videos. I'd redo the system room to have a drain in centre of the room with metal grate. Also you can get leak smart water sensor and also get smart fire sensor. Create metal casing around pipes and everything, with drain holes at bottom. If leak it will go downward into drain. OK but if f about but it will stop this happening again and causing you big dollars. Do this when you do panels. With the collection of coins, get a metal worker to make you sqaure bin that slots into wall. Like hanging. All the best From Bill in the UK.
We've considered going this route. Granted we DO have a central drain in each location, just hard to notice in the video since it matches the floor colors.
As a general contractor i would go after the manufacturer as if they sent you promise date and failed then they owe you something as far as discount. I would also make sure they dont try to get you with covid price increase
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If the problem is just the pay station and you can run the wash manually... you could just hire someone on a temporary basis to take payment and start the wash for the customer.
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@@renegadetouchless9172 I need help with my hose it well not working
@MR JOLLY $100k if you are the salesman... you can get basic push button paystation for $50k and less including installation.
@@JyroOne "you can get basic push button Playstation for $50k and less including installation."
50K for a basic PlayStation that's insane.. i know times are hard with all the scalpers but that's crazy.
I appreciate you highlighting the troubles and not just success with these car washes.
Welcome to the industry. You have all the right ideas, and seem to be heading in the right direction. You just have to experience some things like any other industry and it all becomes a routine, been at it myself since '08.
I appreciate that!
I learned after my 2021 laundromat build. Have a drop dead day. Everyday after reduces the price of the job by $100. But you have to put that in the contract from the start. Any project that will close your business has to have a deadline. Makes the contractors and subs have some skin in the game.
On $100/day, what was the total project size?
@@InvestmentJoy Wouldn't have to be very large if there are multiple contractors... I'd say if your investment is only 100K in the revamp, then that drop dead date if it is firmly set at 1 year after work is first started would have saved you a lot of money at this point. 365 * 100 dollars * 3 contractors... they'd be paying you at this point.
Youve been around the block a few times now, contracts should have penalties for lack of performance in them by now.
From what I've seen a lot of these installing companies use pre-printed forms that do not allow for liquidated damage clauses
No contractors gonna take the job then or theyll price way higher. No go
@@InvestmentJoybecause it's their form and they don't want to pay for liquidated damages so they don't even include it. Everything is negotiable. Next time make sure you have an agreement in writing before work begins.
If you sue them now attorney fees will more then likely be more than it's worth and work will likely stop before it's even finished
@@TT-ik3kdit happens every day. Most contractors don't read what they sign. Hell most people never read what they sign. Have you read every contract you signed BEFORE you signed it? I know I have and if there is something I don't like I renegotiate
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I would make sure you had options of liquidated damage dates on any contract I signed. Just to hold all parties accountable for their commitments.
I would be going after those that committed to timeframes for it. As an AV project manager I feel your pain. On the soap dispenser the manufacturers tend to use the acceptable level of spec to make things work to curb expenses, they're just tripping themselves up an get clients that don't return. The best recourse is to demand from them to install higher spec hoses so that you can refer others to them and keep buying from them... Or take your business somewhere else. Good luck, and thanks for all the openness and information, I'm learning a lot and I believe others too.
It would help to know if that was a projected date or more of a firm guaranty. Obviously if the distributor or installer is unable to get the items they need its not their fault.
You need to add led rgb light everywhere. Believe it or not a lot of people like to go through car washes just for the pretty lights lol!
I agree
Seriously dude he’s right! We have two automatic car washes in town, but the one with the pink LED lights washes three times as many vehicles. Both are well maintained, but pretty lights win!
Depends on your contract and relationship with the suppliers, direct and respectful conversations go a long way.
Keep your head up Brandon!!! You’re a great person and your channel is still great. I always watch your brother’s channel as well. Keep up the great work!
You will make it happen, you always do! You'll probably make a bigger profit on it than you expected once the renovation is done.
Hope so
I'm really looking forward to seeing the new improvements made. I'm north in Cleveland and I eventually need to stop by. I like both ends of soap you use. The alkaline will clean grime and acidic will remove minerals and water spots.
I know you mentioned a ceramic previously and as an upcharge you'd have cars even easier to clean and protect plus chemical resistance.
I think you're doing amazing! I hope to visit some day!
In the meantime be safe and well!
Thanks!
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Hey there first off love your content and everything you do thank you so much for that. A little background for me I have repaired car washes for over 7 years now and I've had to deal with many busted hose problems. My immediate solution for any kind of high pressure no matter what PSI you are running is to use hydraulic hose with JIC fittings. I've never had a single one bust on high pressure water at any of the locations I have serviced. Depending on how you get it if you do it yourself it's about $3 a foot or if you go to your local auto parts store it may be more but most places like Napa can actually make the hose for you. Just be aware that you will pay a premium up front but it will last you years. The other benefit of getting a nylon core over steel core hose is if say your hose gets worn down because it's going over a corner and you do get a leak you can easily cut it and put a union in to repair it instead of replacing the entire hose.
I hope that works out for you if you have any Car Wash questions please hit me up!
This is what we ended up doing after the video. We had a couple more rounds w/ installers telling us the 200psi line was in-spec and just fine to use in this application. We ended up going with 3000psi hydraluic, steel braided hose. No failures so far.
@@InvestmentJoy Awesome sauce!
You have valid points for negotiation with the implied possibility of litigation. Lawsuits basically help no one other than the lawyers, but the threat of a lawsuit often results in concessions and adjustments.
if you think lawsuits just help lawyers then manage your own case then! Basically, dont go see a dentist, accountant etc just do it yourself.
@@TheRm65 bah thats it
in canada unless its for small claims forget trying to self represent without any legal background
lawyers need to get paid and without litigation then they wouldnt have a job
its worth getting representation or else suffer consequences such as being disrespected etc in court.
After my last renovation from you know where. I had given them a start date at the beginning of January, but they didn't start until the end and we moved back into our house 3 days before I gave birth to my son. They were supposed to be 3 weeks for what they were doing. It was fixing flooring and laying new flooring, trim work, and carpet and redoing the bathroom. Which was a tub with molded surround, new tub hardware a prefab vanity and just rehooking up the toilet. It was not a huge project as it was only 900Sq ft of appt. I checked in often and it is like they worked for the first week sat for 2 weeks did nothing a bit the third and when I said we need to be back in it was a crappy rush job. This time around for a basement it will have many more clauses to protect me the homeowner against shotty work and nonwork/delays.
Dang
yeah a lot of contractors are shady, gotta protect yourself
That low pressure needs to be a higher pressure hose. When the pump changes different soaps you sometimes get back pressure that will blow that hose
Need to get away from that quarter crap and get to a card system
I’d start the process of going after them and them seeing that you are changes a lot and really lights a 🔥 under peoples butts especially when it’s viewed by the public on social media.
There will be an update in 2-3 weeks here on YT with the resolution(s). What a.........fun......money pit this has been
Nothing you can do, construction is just a disaster right now
your problem with the quarters spilling on the ground is that you need to place the bucket under it before you open it so ones that fall out of the box fall into the bucket instead of the floor. Also your an amazing influencer and entrepreneur I like you bro
It is still awesome to see your adventures.
let see what happen 😮 to your business bro
We will see, hope all is well in your part of the world!
wow. this is an old school car wash. i love the new car washes because you don't have to pay extra to vacuum.
It's a business decision on the owners end. At some point once we get it straightened out will do free vacuums for customers who use the new wash. Whether you realize it or not you're paying for the vacuum in the long term because the owner offers free vacuum as an incentive to join their membership program. And in the membership program you're paying even though you don't wash your car on rainy days
@@InvestmentJoy we have a wash that its free any time to vacuum wash or not but he wins client's with the free vacuum
Plz fix the air in the lines at ashville carwash
You can get from a local hydraulic shop either hose made with crimp ends or just buy the reusable ends and lengths of hose..
I manage a heavy commercial and industrial HVAC company. We are experiencing longer equipment delays than during Covid, and it will not get better. Manufacturers no longer have to pay to keep inventory stocked on hand, they manufacture the equipment when it’s ordered. We don’t send any contracts out anymore that don’t protect us from equipment delays beyond our control, installation dates are an estimate anymore. Grainger sells all kind of high pressure/high temperature hose rated far more than 200 psi, all different diameters as well.
What kind of increases are you guys seeing?
@@InvestmentJoy we ordered a rather large replacement rooftop HVAC system for a hospital last month. Normal lead time for that system used to be around 4-6 weeks. This time it’s 66 weeks, yes a year.
@@InvestmentJoy We have a school project ongoing, school work is usually scheduled around summer break for major work, obviously.
That Job has some Trane equipment that when the job was spec’d out by the engineer was a 20 week lead time. After the equipment was ordered, that changed to 50 weeks. Small issue if the brand new wing of an Elementary School doesn’t have heat or A/C for 30 additional weeks…
That's terrible! I'm sorry to hear about your car wash. I would also switch the chemicals to Kleen Rite or Simoniz if you ever get your car wash fixed
We're buying chemicals from one of kleen rite's suppliers ;)
@@InvestmentJoy
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have a look at steel braded hoses, they should withstand more then enough pressure.
I would put some sort of moisture sensor or water level sensor to alert you of leaks or blown hoses.
Where did the hoses fail at the connection I notice they are hose clamped. Not all clamps are created equal. If it's coming apart at the fitting try putting a oetiker style clamp on it.
jfc, go to your local parts store and get a hydraulic hose made. no hose with a hose clamp is good over 100 psi.
and why have electronics in the same room with water hoses? buy a server rack to put electronics in to protect it
i would have for sure gone after the ppl who gave me time frames then i would have gone after the others
I am a GC here on west coast and build these car washes. If you got 15 years out of that FRP that is amazing as most FRP installations don't last 5 years. If our client wants FRP in their tunnel we will not warrantee it as it simply does not last. We use a spray on fiberglass over a Dens Guard / Dens Armor substrate (fiberglass based board). We have a subcontractor that comes out and sprays the whole tunnel and it lasts 30+ years or longer (never had a call back on one yet). Chances are that when you tear off the FRP in your tunnel you will find mold which will require the replacement of the substrate.. Also, I would not use FRP outdoors around you vacuum units...It won't last. Good Luck.
That's really interesting. For our automatic we used extra Tech which is more or less coroplastic.
FRP has been the recommendation to us for quite some time because people tend to be on the walls with the brush during the winter and the expanded plastic wall gets very brittle in the cold but FRP does not. I'm very curious does your solution hold up well to people beating it?
@@InvestmentJoy YES...Once the fiberglass is sprayed on it stands up to hammers or anything heavy that bumps into it. Obviously not a car that rams it...But that will only do local damage and can be repaired a lot easier than FRP.
@@GR-eu1hm very cool Is there a brand name?
As a diesel mechanic I'd say use hydraulic lines instead and have them made at a Parker store. Since your in Ashville the closest Parker store is in canal Winchester. Or maybe even napa could help you right down the street. Take both the hose and all the fittings related to the hose
the opening line this vid is the best opener i've ever heard LOL i have been dying for the past 5 mins at that line hahaha
Which one? My editor didn't like any of the intro :D
@Investment Joy This dumpster is a great example of the dumpster fire that we kinda got going on at the car wash today 😂 - it's very catchy!
I work for a gas station that has a car wash and were still getting delays in the supply and labor area's. Not sure much can be done in either case but wait. We've tried to sidestep and use other companies and find our own parts needed with little to no positive results. Good luck
Never go by the minimum manufacturer pressure spec. Always... ALWAYS doubt that spec at least if you want to keep blowouts of hoses from happening.
Being in the c-store wholesale fuel business my father always said every time we invested capital in land and buildings no matter how new and shiny it was always the people that made the difference .
How many employees did you have?
@@InvestmentJoy Quite a few back in 70's - 90's , unfortunately the EPA politicized environmental regulations and cleanups of properties and there was a cash grab from the State and environmental cleanup companies . Watching your video was great but my first thought was the hell the water regulations you must be up against but I don't know , it was just a feeling .
Id look into having a steel braided hose made for that hose problem, it might be worth the extra cost and peace of mind
steel braided hoses are expensive, and thats alot of hose length, but yeah maybe replace the ones that keep breaking first.
Use hydraulic hose.
Expensive? Oh, yea.
Will it break? Sure, 10 years from now.
Braided PVC vinyl hose for anything high pressure. While you might have something rated for 200 PSI. You will in time experience bulging and eventually a line busting. Not all of those lines would call for higher tho. Its very dependent on the situation without seeing things in person hard to make a call tho. PVC > Rubber at the end of the day.
Hose burst issue-Is that going to your chem injectors? If so check your pressure regulator. turn on an output with a small flow (tire cleaner for example) and make sure the pressure isn't excessively high. I use continental insta grip which KR has and have never had a problem like that it has a 300psi working pressure. A friend of mine is using yolink for many applications at his var wash including water detection and vibration (vandalism) and he highly recommends them.
You have to get like 3 or 4 washing boxes, so where the customer can wash their car by them self with a pressure washer ect.
Then you can make it 24/7 open.
Here in The Netherlands we have the same, were making 40.000 euro a year, without the carwash !
This is a good example of cow business is harder than people think. Lots of people believe that business is doing nothing but make money and rip people off. There's another side to that coin.
Definitely change out the underspecced hose. No question. Most towns with an industrial base will have hose specialists. Failing that go to the next bigger town.
Similarly, there should be some repair company, local or up the chain, that can come up with an idea how to put the carwashes into service- used parts, manual runnings, liek the guy says a human addendant or two. Remember car washes are season- the busiest is early spring- like right now. Don't miss it!
If the vacuums work, but the carwash doesn't- put a mobile temporary street sign sign and run the vacuums for free for a couple weeks, just to get people to pull in. People are crazy "place-specific"- it's hard wired in us, long story- but if someone comes in for a freebie...they will be back.
Get a guy to check the wash daily. That 200psi hose is a bypass for the high pressure unloader it looks like. If you are blowing that hose, you've got nozzles plugged on the high pressure. Or if you are using hot water, could be cooking the hose. Been repairing carwashes 25 years, I've see that blow lots. Clean nozzle and it's fine
Simplify the process. Hire an attendant to process cc transactions. Install a temp switch to start machine giving everyone a high end wash for same price.
While the 200 PSI hose may be able to handle 250 PSI on occasion, it's not designed to do it on either 1000's of cycles or for long durations, else they'd rate it higher. I'd go at least 300 PSI rated to give it some margining, but 500 PSI just that much better.
Money is money get what you can get however you need to get. Fair and professional is the attitude you should always maintain.
1,200 cars in February. @$15 each wash is 18k +vacuum and self serve. Sounds like a fun business to consider.
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I'm surprised you don't have commitment dates/penalty clauses for non-performance. I would consider trying to encourage a faster delivery, potentially alternatively source, while having your attorney prepare a Nasty-Gram to ding them for breach of contract. But, I don't know all the details.
The reason that 250psi hose keeps blowing is because it has too much back pressure. Looks like the side blaster hp line. We fixed ours doing that by adding more gph nozzles to the side blasters. assuming thats a washworld or a laserwash
Just a thought, but maybe adding some drainage to your pump room to prevent future accidents from waterlogging the room would benefit you long term.
We have it, just easy to overload
I would look at penalties when negotiating your contracts etc even with buying the machines etc see what room you have and put in the penalties give them that kick up the arse to get the job don within a timely manner a few days a week or 2 at most within reasons acceptable 3 months is ripping the piss tbh
Something we're gonna have to mandate in the future I think
@Investment Joy deffo don't know how it varies from the uk to the us
But normally theres a contingency allowance for overun and for means outwith any parties control but ultimately when you go to tender they should be scoping how long parts etc will be for arrival and provide it in there qoute and allows a fair contract to be wrote up that favours both parties
Hoping you get it sorted love to see more car wash videos keep it up
I'm surprised your car washes do good at all. I guess is different market than most I see. Most of these car washes like this our totally gone in our area and have several of the new ones that are manned, you drive thru and includes free vacuum at the end. No timer on vacuum cleaner or having to put change in. Can even sign up for monthly deal and get you car washed as much as you want.
Great video, love to see people making money, wishing you the best my man !!!!
Thanks!
We have one In our self serve bays and it saves the back and the time to collect from the bays directly
If you’re not hurting, just keep getting updates. If it were me, I’m broke, so I’d probably hand wash cars in the bay so I can make some money to pay on the loan.
There's probably a lot of water hammer happening with solenoid opening and closing... That style hose clamp isn't the most secure. I'd look into an industrial hose supply to make crimped hoses with the proper fittings.
Yep!
I had the same problem when I got my emergency whole home electricity back home generator. I paid the contractor half and was ready to pay them the other half. They had problems with labor. I had previously tried to hire a different contractor first but he told me he didn't have a plumber for the gas work. They were supposed to install this in a month and it took them 6 months due to holidays and 2nd wave of coronavirus hitting.
No vacuum machine should cost $30K. Not even an industrial one.
He must of bought fifteen, they are 2000 a piece.
I am watching it now in 2024, 11 months since your video was uploaded. What is the situation now?
Great, we had a major issue but will make a video on that other carwash soon.
Take that problem hose and the fittings on the end and replace it with a high pressure hydraulic hose. Until that time double clamps on either end, using high quality clamps. 100% stainless
This is what we did post video!
I'd build a payment box myself. Raspberry PI hooked up to a Square? payment gateway, screen, camera with qr code scanner, notifications for you.
Then you have more control of the whole system. You've got GPIO to trigger the doors or lights and other features, You've got the ability then to run your own website, memberships, promos etc and get the box access to it. Maybe a local makerspace could help you get there if that's kinda out of reach.
Very much considering that for laundromats
I think this is why you see a lot of car washes with 2 automatic bays.
Kind of : In the end they tend to do quite well $$$wise with touchless and soft-touch
Go to your local hydraulic shop and get custom hoses made. Replace all high pressure hoses with custom ones
Yep, this is what we ended up doing (You'll see it in the forthcoming video).
I'm in the process of having an express wash built. It was supposed to be up and running this month and my new finish date is in June...
Ouch, hopefully it gets better
Keep after them let know if they do not get done you can not make money to pay the payments
Regarding delays in systems
2+ years later look at the backlogs in restaurant equipment. Most major equipment have delays. Right now getting some new ice cream machines (non refurbished) can take up to 40 weeks, grills/fryer units up to 26 weeks and other equipment almost as long
Right now the company I work for we have delays in some repair parts for equipment that is nearly 3 months on some items. We removed the bad equipment to storage and are using back up equipment in their places. Fortunately over the years we got into the habit of stockpiling common parts that fail and have kept older equipment in storage simply to strip parts from them. We expanded our search for repair parts and even rebuild some parts as needed
People simply can't grasp how vast the covid pandemic hit the world. From 1918-1924 the "Spanish flu" pandemic hit and affected over 1/4 of the population. Covid not only affected more people physically but also supply chains forged over decades that can be snapped by a single failure in one point
Guess I should feel better then, lol
@@InvestmentJoy believe me I totally understand on equipment delays
Just short of 2020 there was a huge back log on getting credit card reader replacements. In some of out restaurants where we had 3/4 registers we had to remove one and use it on another for weeks before we got new units in.
Of course part of this is due to where we are allowed to send items in but still it sucks.
Recently when we moved our repair facility into a new larger building we sent back more than 2 dozen card readers that we had on site due to the repair center not accepting returning units except 1 for 1 swaps
We are planning on having roughly a dozen of the main card readers kept on hand once we can get more units and are swapping some readers with different ones
availability of finished goods will never recover.
So my thoughts. Frp covered walls are a thing of the past. They age, dont look good, and arent smooth. I like the bare concrete look, bright LED lights, the fancy new looking led light vacuums that are just the wands, etc. Well lit and trendy. Frp says old school.
You need to replace those 200psi lines to 500psi or 600psi lines. Always go at least double psi lines higher than needed on these lines this will help protect you from faulty lines. Many lines today are made from sub standard materials. I have owned power washers, air lines, and power sprayers and learned not to trust parts based on specs. so much stuff is more Bs specs than fact. Better to spend more for quality now than later paying for what sub quality cost in repairs and down time
I'd think this would be the logical choice, but we ended up cutting part where the plumber tells me I'm wrong and that it's totally fine to use a 200psi rated hose in a 200psi rated application.
I would be like I can't wait that long. I can't have this be down for too long, and we're almost back into normalcy if it was me I would pressure them a little bit to deliver at the deadline that I set after numerous delays if they can't deliver I'll have to find someone else.
A self service with an automatic car wash is not an investment.... its a tax write off. Just a tip. Keep them coming back, don't skimp on the presoaks or wax/drying agents.
Hydraulic hose and fitting cost more but last almost forever
I work in the hvac industry and lead times on certain pieces of equipment are just ridiculous and what we have grown accustomed at this point. Unfortunately in your situation it’s nothing new in terms of constant push back from manufacturers. Talking with reps, and what I have heard is that manufacturers with these constant delays are the ones who are not sourcing their parts from other manufacturers, which is causing delays. When you have a final product that is only compatible with once part that is gonna create problems.
That seems to be a huge issue, but what bothers me is that many of these companies could go to more-universal parts, but end up not doing it.
@@InvestmentJoy the problem is there is not much incentive for it as long as the manufacturers keep getting the purchase orders and the quality doesn’t dip then they will delay shipping out the equipment. With the car wash I am surprised you did not hold off on having it installed until all the parts arrived. I’m not sure in what condition the existing equipment was in or the reliability was but I have to assume having revenue come in even with a run down machine is better than no revenue. Was there a reason the contractors wanted to push this project ahead without all the parts?
@@InvestmentJoy I think the theory is Custom parts creates a long term revenue stream as we are the only source. That is biting many in the behind these days.
I worked in HiTech: Our rule was no such thing as using a part with a single source (that was not made in our shops 😀). IMHO Way to much stuff is made for a short life with no chance of being economically repaired. and ends up in land fill/scrap heap.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but perhaps adding a water hammer arrestor to the solenoid manifold might solve the hose problem!
I am in the exact same situation you are now. My Wash World Razor showed up on December 20th. I have done everything my self so far and just have electrical left. Hope you get this thing finished soon. What brand/model is your new pay station?
Also why would that Goldline not work temporarily until the new pay station shows up?
Another Hamilton commander. We ended up using the acw4 (it's before a gold line) in the mean time
Take them to court for the money you are losing with it not working
I’m an industrial mechanic. I think 200 psi is asking a lot from lines held on with hose clamps. Go talk to a farm equipment dealer. They can probably make you hydraulic lines that would be good for thousands of psi.
This was the right answer :)
@@InvestmentJoy if you do go to a farm supply place bring the hose. Unscrew the fittings and bring them also. Looks (NPT) national pipe thread.
@@Ian-of9oi we've got a good relationship with the local new Holland dealer
@@InvestmentJoy that’s good. Hydraulic lines aren’t as cheap as rubber hose but should be bulletproof.
@@InvestmentJoy they might be hesitant because it’s going to be running water and not oil but the inside of the line is rubber so I can’t see it being a problem.
I would send out a few demand letters and either get money back or the product quicker
It's difficult to say what I'd do. I hate that Corona still has ripple effects throughout every industry, even to this day. Sadly I to am at the mercy of supply chain for some parts, with no relief in sight. It's a poop sandwich for sure, especially on our end where we just have to sit and wait.
It would be easy to change the hose to a 500 psi go walk into any hydraulic hose company and ask them to make you one with 3/4 fittings at least that’s what they look like
I like the doors on your automatic car wash, I have never seen doors like that before.
Thx
“buy your vehicle from a dealership that you trust”.
Sir, no car dealership is trustworthy.
Sad but true :D
Hold those to their timelines and contracts. Work with them.on new terms for dates and price.
water hammer can cause pressure spikes that will burst hoses that are rated slightly above operating pressure. water hammer occurs when water is running through a pipe and is suddenly stopped, usually by an automatic valve (solenoid). the water slams against the closed valve, and a pressure wave reflects back. in building plumbing, you can get a device called a "hammer arrestor" that is placed near the valve.
After research we have one, the issue is the regulator still jumps up once in a while due to vibrations, we put on a blow off valve and went with a 3kpsi hose
If it was 300k for that property, then I would just sell off any items and level that area to build apartments or houses. People don't like to use these old-fashioned manual car washes. The touchless wash with free vacuums is what everyone goes to.
Just curious and a possible thought on the high pressure hose. Can you use a hydraulic hose ? It would cost more than a garden hose but well worth it
i would keep on them but you should not make all the changes at once i would do one thing at a time then more updates until they are all done
Determine who's at fault.... Can they get the materials or are the over booked....
You mentioned that you done 1,200 car washes in a month. Think at that rate it would be impossible to make a profit but hope you do. You might want to see if somebody can make you quality high pressure hoses. We never used flimsy hose clamps above 75#'s. I joined a close by car wash that I only pay $32 a month for unlimited best of the 3 types washes they offer. Have two lines that are both running on busy days. They have approximately 75 spots for vacuuming cars. They have the absolute most powerful central vacuums. Powered by eight 40 horsepower motors. I get 6 to 7 car washes a month so it only cost me $5 a wash. Did electrical work for a car wash. Guy did a great job maintain equipment but every week something needed fixing. Good luck with this. Smart to go with three phase motors whenever possible. They produce great starting torque and no capacitors to burn out .
70% of carwash subscribers use their wash passes less than 3 times a month, so in your case they're paying near $11/wash, rain or shine.
Also can you not get plumbing company in a solder copper pipes instead of crappy rubber.
Very few use all copper, the ultimate goal would be HP Stainless.
I love the dub overs, Bwahahahahaha!
Nice
@@InvestmentJoy ooops, I actually meant subtitles, jeesh, its been a long day...😁
Down here in Destin, FL. They build hi tech car wash and vacuum sites
This is my high tech carwash in Ohio
Go after the installers and the manufacturers.
Everyone's passing the buck to the next guy > Installer > Manufacturer > Back to the installer > install crew
@@InvestmentJoy that’s why you should go after all of them.
Man, car washes seem like an expensive pain to maintain
Both revenues and expenses are quite severe
JITD (Just In Time Delivery) supply chain is the reason for all of this.
Yeah , that seems to be the complaint
Hi, love the videos. I'd redo the system room to have a drain in centre of the room with metal grate. Also you can get leak smart water sensor and also get smart fire sensor. Create metal casing around pipes and everything, with drain holes at bottom. If leak it will go downward into drain. OK but if f about but it will stop this happening again and causing you big dollars. Do this when you do panels. With the collection of coins, get a metal worker to make you sqaure bin that slots into wall. Like hanging. All the best From Bill in the UK.
We've considered going this route. Granted we DO have a central drain in each location, just hard to notice in the video since it matches the floor colors.
What was on the contract that everybody signed? That’s the first place to start.
I would find out if there is high pressure hose but from the place the fire service use