The Addams Family: AtGames Legends Pinball 4KP PRODUCTION Game Play!
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- The Addams Family Legends Pinball 4K virtual pinball machine is shipping soon and we'll take a close look at the game play. What is shown in this video is the shipping version of The Addams Family recorded in 4K. More Legends Pinball 4K content may be found here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k . Thank you for watching!
00:00 - Intro
00:32 - Cabinet Comparison
04:07 - Game Play with Commentary (Enhanced)
09:59 - Game Play NO Commentary (Classic)
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Excellent job, Jon.. Pretty major performance updates from what I'm seeing.. Glad to see they also added those options the community wanted for the ball trails and pop-up scoring (I despise those)!
Thank you LilAlien! I used to play with all those settings enabled (and sometimes flip-flop), but I'm now more fond of turning them off myself 😎 Thanks for watching!
I’m glad you can shut down those effects too. From cabinet to playfield to game selection, this absolutely blows away the standard ALP.
I despise those as well. Just keep it simple.
Despise is a harsh word, but i always wondered why they even had them on in a machine that tries to emulate real world pinball.
Crazy to think there was no option to turn them off?!
Great review bro 👍, I really like it without those extra visuals because feels more realistic and fps seems to look smoother. Those updates on the final cabinet was wise choices.
Thank you sir! Same here, I would typically play will all the extras enabled but lately I appreciate the game a bit more with them turned off. I do flip-flop from time-to-time, but agree that they can be a bit distracting.
Thanks for the preview! I can't wait for the end of Feb!!!
Addams Family seems like it's really shaping up. Can't wait for my machine to get here. Both the machine and table look great.
I love all the changes atgames did to the Addams Family machine! I preordered and can't wait to get mine now!
Do you know if the 4KP owners will be able to purchase any pinball FX titles to add to their machine?
@TheGamingHoser they will slowly get released. Snoopy is next I beleave
Thanks for this update, met you at the Chicago show. Great to see the improved game play and the other improvements. Waiting on mine to arrive as it will be later due to having the ssf preinstalled. Looking forward to your upcoming videos on this cabinet.
Very welcome, you're a bit taller than me right (I think you told me your username, if I'm not mistaking)? Should have the next video out sometime next week, portions recorded and partially edited but still much more work to be done. I hope you find them helpful and thank you for watching and taking time to say hello in Chicago!
Yep that's me the 'old' tall guy😂 Looking forward to your next video. And yes really enjoyed my time in Chicago and getting to know you a bit.
Thanks for the preview and detailing the changes made from before. I am glad to hear that the gameplay has improved. I am excited to hopefully get my Addams Family game in a few weeks time. I also look forward to your upcoming SSD install video. I didn't want the shipping delay due to the factory install. It would be nice to see a quick run-through of the other included games on the production machine to get a feel of what is to be expected from them as well.
Here's a list of all the the "Core Tables" on the machine: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Core_Tables . When I say "core", they are basically standard tables included on every machine + one (or more) themed tables, such as The Addams Family (in this case). For some 1m gameplay of each table, please see here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Core_Tables-2
Thanks for another great video. I was starting to have some doubts but I'm excited again! I can't wait to get my machine. I have to wait longer since I opted for the SSF pre-install. Had I known you were going to be handling the tutorial I would have done it myself.
I'll be honest with you, I've never installed the SSF kit before (it's due to arrive in about a week). But thank you so much for your kind comments and more importantly, your trust. I'm glad to hear that this video has helped with your doubts. If I can hit 156m on TAF, I'm pretty sure most anyone can 😀
Every time you put out a video, I get more excited!!
Thank you for watching, more to come!
Been waiting for this video! Thank you!
Most welcome, thank you for watching!
Awesome! Thanks Mr. Wagner. Can't wait for mine to arrive.
Very welcome, thank you for watching!
It looks fantastic!!! I can't wait to get mine I was worried about the DMD being a little washed out but here it shows it very vibrant
You can also adjust the brightness of each screen, if it's too dim/bright.
Thank you Jon for a cool update and review. I'm looking forward to getting my Addam's Family Pinball, but I'm going to have to wait until this Feb since I'm having the SSF installed. 💫
About six more weeks to go (pre-installed SSF). I will definitely be turning off the ball trails and that golf club ball launch effect.
Why did they put in that golf club effect to begin with? It gets in the way of things
This has really put me at ease about my attack from Mars pre-order. I'm hoping we can do a deep dive into the atgames menu, frontend, as well as seeing what buying packs are like through the machine. This is my first atgames product so I'm excited
There will be a video on the unboxing, assembly, setup and first steps. It's my next video to create and update the guide page with changes. In addition, I've documented all the settings here if you haven't seen it already: wagnerstechtalk.com/4kpsettings . Please let me know if there is something that isn't clear and I'll correct it. Hopefully, I'll be able to show additional tables in the future as well.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you so much Jon, you are the perfect person to discuss and deep dive into all these things. I feel like I made the right decision in preordering my 4kp
@@WagnersTechTalkthe ssf kit isn’t available in Canada any chance there will be mods that your will do for people like us?
@@KaoticBPR Thank you for your kind words! I think folks are going to really love it and honored to be here to help along the way.
@@kdub1159 I'm sure there will be options in the future. Keep an eye on Buy Stuff Arcades, if you're unable to get it officially (I'm not in the know here, just that they are great folks to work with).
Looks great can't wait to get mine!!
I can’t wait to get mine! It’s really looking good! 👍🏻
The Addams Family table looks awesome
Looks awesome… looking forward to mine arriving soon!
Won't be long now!
Hello ! It's really a dream come true to me. I wished to buy an Addams Family pinball for so many times. Sometimes the planets are well aligned and the meet between AtGames and the Pinball FX team is a little miracle. I live in France and I have preordered this pinball. Many thanks to you for sharing your opinions and testing this machine. And I am really grateful to the AtGames team for building all those pretty arcade machines with passion and releasing it at an affordable price.
Awesome that your dream cabinet is almost here! Very welcome, there is definitely more coming to help everyone get setup when their machines arrive. It was a dream come true for me too when I heard that Zen and AtGames were partnering. We'll have a great machine with plenty of fun table to play. Zen Studios, Zaccaria, TAITO, Gottlieb tables will all play on the machine without a need for a PC. For those that want VPX/FP too, there is OTG with 3 HDMI inputs.
Hi Jon, great video! How was the physical nudging on the production machine. I saw you nudge a few times in your game play (i assume with the nudge buttons) but did you try physically shifting the machine or smacking the side of it to see how well that works? Just curious! Thanks for the update, always great content!
Excellent job Wagner and Atgames 👍🏻
Thank you for the info and hard work!!
Very welcome, I appreciate you!
Wagner,
I was beginning to worry, but I knew I shouldn't have, this is Wagner we're talking about. I can breathe a sigh of relief :)
So, your video of the table passed my click test! And I also appreciated your more scientific slow mo test. My click test is simple, I listen for the click of the flipper button and see what happens on the screen. If they match, then I'm VERY HAPPY! They did and it looks like AtGames and Zen have fixed the lag quotient! Beautiful job!
I think there is only one thing I wish could've been tweaked to make the experience more real, but I understand that concessions had to be made for this table to run on the Zen Platform on AtGames hardware without a lag issue. I wish they would've been able to include the dark look of the real Addams Family playfield and the way the lighting reflects off of surfaces. One of the main allures for me when it comes to Virtual Pinball reaching those heights of realism, is making the playfield look natural, with only lighted areas coming from the internal bulbs, like a machine you'd seen in the wild, and how the lighting reflects off of stuff in real time, even on the ball. I think Zen's ball looks realistic as is, but the whole table shouldn't look fully illuminated all the time. The lights, though they flash, don't leave any realistic projections on the sides or on the table itself. If one compares the look of the table on the AtGames 4KP, vs the way it looks on Zen's PC Pinball FX, the PC iteration looks drastically and naturally darker with its bulbs illuminating only the places on the playfield and on the side panels where the lights are. As where the 4KP is just illuminated everywhere all the time. However, and I'll state this again, I would much rather see the gameplay mastered first, getting rid of any lag, over any extra frills. And I in no way expected the 4KP to match an expensive PC running the latest version of Zen's Pinball FX. That's just not realistic.
What Zen and AtGames have done here is no short of amazing and I applaud their effort. I do wonder though, if maybe a future update to this table may be made. Maybe Zen Studios makes a phone call to Magic Pixel, another one of AtGame's Partners, and works with them to discover and implement their secret "Out Of This World" lighting effects for Addams Family. I may not always like some of Magic Pixel's tables (or some music, callouts, and recycled art assets), but what they've figured out over any other competitor, to the one's I've tried out, is the secret sauce on how to do lighting effects and table illumination calibration pretty much flawlessly and on lower hardware specs.
One quick question before I leave you. In some of the promo materials, AtGames showed the Addams Family light up topper doing a flashing lightning effect. Is that still present in the light up topper you received? It kind of looked like a static light in this video, but the focus of the video was on the gameplay. Just wanted to see if that cool effect made it into the topper. It was one of the things that set Addams Family apart from the other machines they offer.
Thanks as always, this is superb stuff!
vgv
Wow, excellent feedback vgv! Basically what you're wanting to see, if I read correctly, is a ray-tracing option to add another level of realism. Please pass your feedback directly to Zen Studios. I'll be collecting feedback and sending to them but I'm not sure how much of an impact that would have coming from me. I've met some of the Zen team and they are awesome and very open to suggestions for improving their products. It was a blast meeting them in Chicago (I had previously only seen them on YT), hoping I get to meet up with them again later this year. But, definitely mention it directly. I would imagine performance was their main focus, additional options would be possible in the future, I would think.
The topper does not have a flashing effect, it's a static off/medium/high brightness. I did see the video where it appeared to be flashing, but I think that was to demonstrate it lights up. I'll make it a point to mention in an upcoming video as I'm sure someone else may have that same question, and take some close-ups of the side/back. It would be fairly easy to mod it to flicker. I could see someone coming up with a small microcontroller (arduino nano, perhaps) that listens for audio and turns on/off the power to the topper based on audio detected.
When my son was younger, we built a power droid costume (from Star Wars) that would randomly light LED's and play the "gonk" sound from the movie. We were in the 501st (Star Wars costuming group) and would wear our costumes to raise money for charities (make a wish foundation, etc.) It would be the same basic concept here, it could be random lights or based on noise levels detected.
Sorry, got a little long-winded here, but yeah it's static :)
Wagner,
Not long winded at all. When one has something well thought out to say and is as succinct as you are, length is relative. I'm the same though, not wanting to talk someone's ear off, especially in an age where young-in's think phone calls are too long and short texts somehow speak "War And Peace." That's one of the reasons I put out there in my channel introduction video that the length of my videos will be the time they need to be, no set length (and I also feel that way about my comments).
Thank you for letting me know about the Addams Family lighted topper, I also appreciate your family Star Wars story, that's a great parallel.
The no flashing in Addams Family light up topper is bummer for sure, but not the end of the world. I do hope AtGames can be a bit more careful in future regarding product advertisements. I don't think they were malicious here, but it is a disappointment.
Ray Tracing? Yeah... No. My computer is a beast for sure, but my graphics card doesn't really support that. If you have Pinball FX on PC and Addams Family, you'll see what I mean when I talk about bulb lit tables. Heck, even Pinball Arcade PC Addams Family is very close to perfect in this regard and that came out many years ago. If you've ever played the "Non-Deluxe" versions of Magic Pixel Tables, the Zaccaria line, and go into night mode, you'll get the idea of what I'm referring to as well. AtGames HD machine can handle this type of graphical effects, but Zen's Pinball programs, 3, Android, and the new FX, are VERY resource intensive (they're unfortunately just programmed that way, just not as well optimized like other VPin software I use). So, the way we're seeing Addams Family run today on the 4KP, may be as good as it gets. Again, definitely check out Addams Family on the new PC Pinball FX just to see what I mean about correct lighting and effects.
Great stuff Wagner! You're the reason I pre-ordered my Addams Family. You put it through its paces and it got your seal, which you were able to demonstrate success in each important area.
vgv
Can't wait three weeks or so! I got.my.custom OG Addams art graphics ready.
Where do you get the custom graphics from?
I’m so glad I preordered this one. Hopefully they found my order. Got a weird email last week saying I only bought an SSF kit and no pinball table. Others who paid with PayPal said they had the same ish so hopefully they respond this week and all is well 🙏thanks for the video!!!
I received that e-mail too, I pre-ordered the ALP 4KP and the SSF on two separate orders. I think it just didn't consolidate the two pre-orders into one. May want to contact AtGames support to make sure they have it right.
I’m psyched about low latency on OTG!
Nice. I just played the Foo Fighters pinball. Great fun
That is a fun table! I played it for the first time at Pinball Expo '23 and loved it.
Great over-view Jon! Very impressive machine - very impressed at how nice the light up topper is; much better then I was expecting. I just wish that we could "punch into" the playfield to eliminate the dead space at the top and bottom of the screen - it would greatly help the relative small size of the monitor. Hopefully this is an option that can be made available down the line.... Still, a great on-stop-shop option for people wanting to jump into a 4K machine.
Thank you for your feedback and for watching JDV! Not sure about what you're asking, hit me up on Skype (or here) and we can discuss. I'm not quite sure I understand.
In VPX and Future Pinball, the user can zoom into the playfield; essentially making it larger by changing the aspect ratio by cutting off the top and bottom of the screen. By doing so, the actual playfield (and the ball) become larger and thus closer to being the size of "real" pinball.
There are a lot of pins that use nearly a 1/3 of the available space for things like playcards, etc. While it's a nice touch, I'd rather have the entire screen be a playfield.
@evilgeniusentertainment Ah, gotcha now. Sorry, dunno about that one.
You made my day!
Looks Great. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for watching!
I'm waiting impatiently for mine!
This put me at ease regarding performance and much more confident and excited for my Attack from Mars 4KP. 😃
Props to AtGames for listening to all the feedback, especially regarding pop up scores, ball trails and extra visual effects. ✊😊
Dude I applaud him for including flipper latency -- 116ms is completely useless this machine is unplayable. By comparison the crappy native gotlieb tables on the original at games legends pro would run at like 30-40ms. Anything over 80 is unbearable.
@@thesmoness sadly is correct. I got like 110ms lag on my current HD OTG setup and if i compare it to connecting a different screen with 60ms or less lag it's a huge difference in feel.
Dude no one cares you cant afford the machine lmao Cant wait to get my hands on it!@thesmoness
@@Moondawg2564 yet I have 7 real pinball machines all new in box the last year. But good luck mate
@thesmoness And I've got 17 Track and Fields and 14 different colors skee ball sets. No one cares my guy. You're just trolling the same comment on multiple posts. It's cool to not like it, don't just post on everyone's positive feedback because you're mad.
Great video! Thanks for checking the lag on OTG. I have the HD with all the pin packs and have a pretty beefy PC in it and it lags so bad on OTG. Tested on multi monitor set up and no noticeable lag. I guess I will have to look at getting a 4K if OTG is really that good and sell the HD.
One thing I've found on OTG that may be helpful to you, make sure the refresh rate on all monitors is 60hz. I initially did some testing on OTG and the backglass was not set to 60hz by Windows. After setting it, there was an obvious improvement in performance. If you check and it helps, let me know please.
My current OTG setup (with original ALP HD screen) has around 100ms lag and it feels rather bad compared to connecting a different screen and getting lag below 60ms. If this has 116ms it doesn't sound too great...
This is a wonderful and awesome update on the Adam’s Family 4K Pinball Machine! Very informative and helpful! Thanks so much for keeping us all informed and excited! Can’t wait to finally have mine on hand! Great job Jon!👍🏼
Very welcome RGT, much more to come! I'm looking forward to the SSF installation, that is one area I'm honestly a bit clueless (at this point).
Yes...I preordered one and contacted At Games reporting my concern and they said they were dilligently working on fixing the prototype flaws. Very cool. I wonder how the solenoids function in comparison to the original legends pinball which made an awful loud knocking noise.
On this machine, you can adjust the solenoid strength or turn it off completely if you don't want to hear them.
Makes me nervous when you say “it’s not perfect”.
The machines are getting ready to ship. The gameplay should be perfect. These companies crack me up.
Thank you so much Jon for all your work and content truly appreciate your videos. Hopefully ATgames sees the feedback.
Let’s hope it’s perfect when they do a day 1 patch.
I'm happy to show what I see and report on those observations. I wouldn't be too concerned, it's software and it's easily updated. Also, as mentioned, you can adjust it to your preference through the settings. btw - will be covering the Day-1 patch along with the Unboxing, Assy, Setup, etc. I always appreciate your comments and hope this video was helpful. I'm pretty sure AtGames and maybe Zen Studios will see comments here. Some I will leave for them to address.
Thank you for responding.
It’s just disappointing that ATgames and Zen are going to ship these machines and there are still bugs that need worked out.
It looks promising but I don’t want to sacrifice fidelity especially when we are only getting 60fps to begin with.
There is OTG mode but the problem with OTG is that ZEN doesn’t support SSF or solenoid support in there cabinet mode. Now I would be willing to purchase there tables for cabinet mode with that type of support. I have a pc powerful enough to run 4K 120hz max settings but the immersion you lose when you don’t have at least ssf you lose a lot of the experience. Classic mode looked like the graphics were scaled back a bit especially the colors. Could have been RUclips compression.
Sorry I was just hoping it woulda been this machine is a beast. It’s running perfect. When they ship all these games will be ready to rip and roar.
Thanks again ! You’ve got a long time subscriber with me !
Do they plan on showing any Gotlieb 4K or anymore zen tables ? Maybe the old FX3 tables will run perfect since it seems like fx3 wasn’t as hard to run.
It's a big ask but I'd love to see a night lighting setting like the Zaccaria games.
Thank you for your feedback, I'll relay it to AtGames.
This looks really, really good! I’m excited for those getting this. Ugh, as much as I love my original modded ALP, The Addams Family Edition looks sweet (and is my all time favorite table) - should I sell mine and opt for this? Decisions, decisions.
Thanks for a brilliant showcase, Jon. This should address whatever issue folks found with it before.
Thank you, my friend! It was Zen and AtGames that did all the hard work. I'm just the delivery guy, sort of 😎
So you can confirm there is no gameplay or flipper lag in enhanced mode other then the thing with the golf club ?
Hopefully they offer a pc upgrade eventually. Won’t have to worry about lag or graphical step downs.
Anxiously awaiting your next videos.
Your awesome and thank you Jon for you open and honest feedback
Flipper latency for either mode is 116ms, from what I've measured (it's the best way I can think of to measure it). The tracking for the pull on the plunger needs some tuning. For me, it was more obvious with all the enhancements enabled and the golf club animation seems to get lost at times. Being honest about what I see is the most important thing, some may not like that but I think most do. I appreciate your comments, hope the above helps answer your question.
Do the reset of the other games have the same flipper latency or only adams family?
Yes it does look AND sound awesome!
Yeah, those speakers are an obvious upgrade over the HD version for sure. sounded very nice.
@@evilgeniusentertainmentthe graphics alone are a massive upgrade. The old machine just really couldn't couldn't do great graphics, especially The Farsight games. I'm going to guess the GPU has a lot to do with it, but it really looks like the developers at Zen are really trying to make this good.
Does look better than what they had at the expo.
Animations and ball trails off looks so much cleaner and realistic
another great video Wagner, you are making us all want to buy now!!!
Only reporting on what I see 😎 Thank you for watching Kevin!
Interesting detail buried in there … they didn’t start manufacturing until 12/28, if yours is indeed the first off the line. A little surprised they numbered these at all since they’re standard edition now. Still not crazy about the run around on whether it was going to be a CEP or not, but ultimately I ordered because I wanted the features, not a limited edition.
Thanks for putting this video together! Looking forward to all the other guides I know you’ll be hard at work on!
Very welcome, I hope you found the video helpful! Not sure I understand though, The Addams Family was always a Standard Edition table (not limited to a specific # of units). Though, each will be numbered in the order they were manufactured.
@@WagnersTechTalk When it was originally announced and pre-orders opened, it was unclear if this would be CEP or not, because it seemed to have all the features they said a CEP table would have would have. Even when they announced all the upgraded features (like art on the speaker grilles), it begged the question on whether or not it was technically a CEP or not. Once they finally announced additional tables, it was obvious that the only difference between the standard and CEP tables was that they were limited production runs, nothing in the features offered.
That’s why I’m surprised they’re bothering to number The Addams’ Family ones at all, since it’s not a limited run. Just makes the number more of a curiosity than anything. Very cool you got the first one, though!
@@RobStevens64 Please see the 3rd paragraph here for reference: atgames.newswire.com/news/atgames-partners-with-zen-studios-announce-new-atgames-legends-4k-pinball
116ms of lag has me super nervous, if you’re seeing in on OTG mode that means the vibs board issue of the ALP HD hasn’t been fixed on the ALP4k. The inherent latency is still there.
Jon do you think the graphics were downgraded in anyway it’s hard to tell with RUclips compression when compared to PC
Great video! Are more Zen Games tables going to be available to play on it? I ordered the Star Trek version.
Definitely, many more coming from what I understand. Timing/availability is up to Zen+AtGames, if they allow me to test/show them in the future, I will.
Can't wait !
Sorry to say but this version dissapoints me. First the ball physics still could be better. The weight of the ball itself feels too light as a result ball movement is sometimes way too fast (like the keramic ball in the Twilight Zone gumball machine). Second the light system, i played thousands of games on the real one and the lighting system is so different. Normal and playfield lights should be less strong but the flashers should be much stronger so it lights the whole playfield and almost hurt your eyes. (an evening/night mode should help).
Sorry, it's just my opinion, rest of the table looks awesome.
No sir, I greatly appreciate your feedback! I'll be compiling a list of requests/recommendations soon and sending it along to AtGames and Zen. All constructive feedback is important & appreciated!
I copped for the "expensive" ssf installed kit, but seems like hearing this I think many will be happy just with the stock sound. If I was to redesign this, only thing I would change would be using the 24" backslash with a 15" dmd, not the 8", so it's more in tune with a Stern or Buystuffs backbox. Is the dmd hdmi input, or 30 pin cabled? Perhaps it's something we can easily upgrade
The stock sound is pretty good, SSF sounds much more immersive (imo). I think you'll be happy with your choice. I think the connections are LVDS (playfield+backglass). The DMD has a small PCB and connector. I have some images in this section: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Assembly
I wonder if golf leaf's will affect flipper lag, I have them on one of my ALP's would be a cool mod to test down the road and measure that. Thanks for showing this!
Good question, I actually purchased some leaf switches to test on the ALP HD. Not sure if this machine will be staying or not but want to keep it stock to provide accurate tests. That is, until the SSF kit arrives 😉
Gold leafs are still likely to improve lag somewhat given the design of them, but perhaps a little less than the ALP overall. I'll be immediately changing mine to golf leafs (once I actually choose a future skin which I'm still waiting for)!
@@lil4lien Yea I am torn I like both the stock feel and the faster GL's I play better on the GL's though, Im an oddball though the cult thing ya know lol.
When/if you do, please let me know if you notice any improvements. It's the kind of feedback that would be very helpful.
Thanks for this! Looks great! I'm wondering if CoinOpsX or something similar will work on the 4kp machines? I'd like to have a flash drive ready for when my unit arrives! Looking forward to your SSF install video as well? Maybe include how to install the arcade control panel while you're at it? :) Thanks again. This is exciting!
As this is a new CPU, it will be up to the community to release a new build of CoinOpsX and work their magic. Likely won't see that until a bit after these machines ship and are in the hands of the community. It's likely going to need to be re-compiled for the new chipset, etc. As far as ACP install, please see here: ruclips.net/video/vUMlZ-ghYBM/видео.html (fast forwarded the vid for ya).
@@WagnersTechTalkthank you for the reply!! 😁
It looks great
Love it, love it, love it!!! Now I just need to find $1500 laying around somewhere.
Amazing what I find in the sofa cushions and the dryer sometimes. Ain't much, but it's a start 😀
Hi wagener!!
Quick question is the flipper lag the same on non zen 4k games?? Or is it just the adams family where its over 100?
It's just TAF that is 116ms flipper latency.
Can the brightness / gamma or camera view / pov be adjusted? For me I turn the gamma down on FX on PC and it makes the tables look much nicer.
Hi Terry, great to hear from you! Brightness, yes. Camera/pov, not that I'm aware of. If needed, definitely hit Zen up on that question directly or I can pass it along if you want.
@@WagnersTechTalkplease pass along to Zen as well! I have a multi cade with most of the zen games and some of the other camera views are awesome for different tables. Helps see and hit different targets when it tracks differently imo
It seems like the Pinball FX versions visuals are so much more detailed and less cartoon-like. I wonder if this is the final look by Zen? Objects like the ramps and the box where Thing is housed are lacking comparitively.
👍 agreed.
Someone commented that the entire table looks brighter which takes sway from the lights "popping" more against the darkness. Just played some on the Xbox to see and yes, the playfield is much darker which makes the lights look much brighter. Im guessing this is mostly because if HDR. Does the playfield display support HDR? If so an option would be nice to turn it on and off, even if turning it on would lower the resolution, in my opinion.
I've not seen an option for HDR on/off, however you can adjust the brightness for each display individually. It would be good to send questions like this directly to Zen Studios. If there is anything you see here that you don't like or would prefer, please let them know.
Sorry if this has been answered previously. How does the 4K screen look in comparison to the HD model. Is it noticeably better looking? or just slightly? Thank you for the video!
Please see this video: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Part_2_Software_Tour , I think so but see what you think.
Hi Jon great vid again but as you've been well informed please is there any realistic possibility of a world cup 94 table for at games
Oh man, I LOVE that table! Trust me, I've brought it up that it's a must-have ❤ But, it's 100% up to Zen, AtGames and the license holder.
It looks amazing! Ordered the AFM one. Totally cool they fixed everything we didn't like. They nailed it!!!!!
I tend to agree, my friend! AFM does look awesome too, can't wait to see some game play for that table.
I just went back and watched your October video (ruclips.net/user/shortsJPuiINiGMTc). They clearly had to make some major visual concessions to get the game running 4K60, because there is so much lighting and texture missing in this video when you compare it to the earlier one. I'll probably stick to OTG because the fidelity is what I wanted a a 4K machine for.
Thanks for doing this. Are they going to add shadows and reflections? Looks so flat without that visual depth.
Very welcome. That would be up to Zen Studios to offer further enhancements, I honestly can't answer anything related to future features/enhancements, I just don't have that information. I can only show what I have here, what is shown is what owners will see.
Agree. Where is the ball shadow? Loved that on the HD.
The gameplay looks way smoother than the previous build, however i cancelled for a different table when the option became available. I like the IP but I don’t love it enough to have it in my house.
I'd definitely recommend going for the IP that you love, you made the right choice.
I'm very happy that the game is finally playable and the lag and frame rate are greatly improved! I'm also sorry to say that I'm disappointed that it still appears to be void of any sort of light mapping and reflections. I do hope that this is still an early beta build and not a finished product. Thank you Jon for providing all of this great content, and I look forward to future updates and improvements!
Very welcome and thank you for your kind comment. Based on what I've been told, the version shown here is the one that will be included with the Day-1 update. However, updates can and likely will occur over time. I plan to compile a list of feedback for AtGames+Zen, I'll be sure to include yours in that compilation. Again, thank you.
Game is looking good. Cant wait to get mine... hopefully #13 😂
Why are your flipper presses so loud and clicky?
That's the solenoids firing. If you don't like them, you can turn them off completely in the settings.
I love it cant wait to get mine but the ball looks a little floaty? Or it could be my phone. But thank you for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Hi Jon, forgive me if this has been asked, but is there a way to adjust the brightness of the play field either via the machine's software or from the Pinball FX table software - for instance on the Addams Family table? Thanks!
Yes, in fact you can adjust all from to moderate, dim or bright as well as custom. See here for all the details on the UI Settings: wagnerstechtalk.com/4kpsettings/#UI_Settings
Is it missing dmd animations during multiball? I know there are more, but I don't know if it's because you were holding the flippers up during the SHOWTIME sequence or not. Usually lightning and such during that sequence.
I'm not exactly sure, was I holding the flippers down frequently during multiball -yes I was. If that has an impact on animations, it could have been me causing them. It's something I've personally never noticed. I don't look at the DMD too often while playing, except after draining the ball to see the score.
No, the entire Multiball sequence is there.
Looks and plays great! Only problem I see, and it may just be me or the compression on RUclips, but the colour of the Red and Blue carpets on the landing and bookcase look too uniform, they really stand out and not in a good way.
I appreciate your observation. I'll collect feedback and send it along, it looks just like what you see here.
Jon, another thing I noticed is that you were able to bump the table a few times to move the ball, even getting a warning about it. Did you use the accelerometer in the machine to accomplish this? And did it feel natural when you did it? This looks so good watching in 4k. Thanks!
The Day-1 update includes the accelerometer support, may have it as early as tomorrow. My goal is to discuss that in the next video once I have time to test it as there have been various enhancements made that I'm looking forward to exploring. In this video, I was using the buttons for nudging.
Hope it work also with VPX 🤞
@@fredericfecteau842 In this video wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Part_3_OTG , you'll see the 4KP being used over OTG connected to a PC running VPX.
Just wanted to briefly mention, just received the updated Day-1 firmware on Fri. evening. The accelerometer support is there and working well. Infact, I've not had the solenoids mis-fire the accelerometer once yet. That was a potential concern to me, but they seem to have nailed it.
@@WagnersTechTalk Jon, there's some concern on the fan page that the playfield looks washed out. I understand that you have the brightness up for this demo, which is understandable. But under normal conditions, how do you think it compares to g5k's Addams Family table on VPX over OTG? Do you think that ultimately, we're going to have to rely mostly on OTG or do you think the stock tables hold up?
Wagner, do you know if it will be possible to upgrade to a color dmd by using the stock components in the 4k pinball?
Actually, the DMD is a full-color HD/1080p mini monitor. Here's a better look at it showing it in color: ruclips.net/video/BzU9MVqkVJY/видео.html (fast forwarded for you). What Zen has done here is simulate a dot-matrix display from the original pinball machine. So, there isn't a need to upgrade the display, it displays whatever images the pinball table is programmed to display. Hope that helps!
Sorry didn’t hear in the video. The SSF is fully functional with the Adam’s family table ?
I'll be adding the SSF kit to this machine later this month, I'll cover it at that point in-detail.
I would love to see not just a top down version of the play field but more of an angle like on the left side of the video with the back glass, dmd and playfield all in one shot where it is more representative with what the user will see. I agree the top down view looked over exposed but is also not how a user would see it ever. Wonder if that would change how it looks and be a bit darker in real life
I'll try some different shots in an upcoming video. I wanted to make sure you could see all displays in this video clearly. I typically show an angled view, but in this case you wouldn't be able to see the animations as well with the backbox + DMD without making it very tiny, if I recorded at an angle. But, I can mix up the views, just that it wouldn't all be from the same game like what was shown here - it was a trade off. Seeing the full game-play was important without constant cuts of different games in-progress. Hope that makes sense.
@@WagnersTechTalktotally get it! Great job as always! Maybe it could just be a short nice and quick just to see it no editing required!
Does this tables have the various lighting conditions such as morn, evening and dark like the hd version had?
That is a function provided by Magic Pixel-developed tables. It would be up to Zen Studios if such a feature were to be added. I can't speculate there, but I can pass along the request, if you'd like?
Thanks. Yes, pass it along plz.
Will you be showcasing the other preinstalled tables too?
I've actually posted several videos of the other preinstalled tables. You can check them out under the "Core Tables" section here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Core_Tables-2 . Each is a short 1m video that shows you the game play of each table.
But in actual gameplay itself though your not noticing any delay or issues EXCEPT for the plunger issue ? I like the enhancements looks better and more colorful IMO.
Hi and thanks for the detailed guides you put out there for the Legends Pinball. UK here and so the 4K machine is a while away for us. Question if I may - you said in an earlier post that you would look at swapping out your PC for a ROG Ally to use on your 1080 Legends machine. Mac user here and so haven't got a gaming PC ready to use. Would you still stand by your comment and recommend the ROG Ally? Thanks a lot again. Darren
Very welcome, appreciate you watching. If I understand correctly, you're wanting to use the ROG Ally on the ALP HD correct? If so, yes it works fine on the ALP HD. I made a video last year on that, you can find the writeup and video here: wagnerstechtalk.com/asusrogally/#Virtual_Pinball_Cabinet_Mode . What I've not done is use the ROG Ally on the ALP 4KP in 1080p (ROG Ally in 4K for the playfield did not work out well for me, but might with more tuning). I hope I've answered your question, not 100% sure that I have.
Hi! You have answered my question - I have an ALP HD and before I buy the ROG Ally, I wanted to double check you hadn't had second thoughts. @@WagnersTechTalk Thanks a lot again for your videos and write-ups! Appreciated.
Are you doing a test of OTG? I think we are all wondering the same thing, how's the latency compared to the HD? 😅
You may want to check out the EVT OTG video here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Part_3_OTG , lots of details there. When the Day-1 update occurs, if it needs revisiting, I will.
So is it running full speed 4k 60hz. That has been confirmed ? Looks way better then expo but my iPhone and RUclips compression.
Official confirmation would need to come from Zen, may want to ask them directly. I can only report what I'm seeing, what I recorded for the playfield was 4K 60fps (UHD) to provide an accurate representation.
Man, I’m so excited. Ordered the first weekend, just waiting on the e-mail this Friday to get mine paid for and shipped. Mine will probably be late as I had the SSF factory installed.
Questions, how heavy are the two shipping boxes? I’ve got hand trucks but have to get them up three steps. Will I need help? Also, I ordered several of the game packs and haven’t received them. Will I have redemption codes on my orders page from AtGames? I’m a total newby on their systems. Thanks if anyone knows. 🖖🏼
So happy to hear it! I didn't weigh these boxes and didn't see the weight listed. Overall, the weight of the machine is 122lbs. I'd "guesstimate", one box about 22 lbs, the other 100lbs but again I didn't weigh each box before assembly as I don't have a scale large enough to do that. If I find out the exact weight, I'll add it to the written guide.
For the game codes, you'll find those in the My Digital Locker (in settings), I'll have more info. on that in the next video (or two - tops).
fyi - I was able to get the weight and dimensions of the shipping containers and added them here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Unboxing_Assembly
did the box that thing comes out of glitch red when you turned off the effects ?
Don't think it glitched, it's just red with the effects turned off.
@@WagnersTechTalk strange , it looks like the texture glitched out
Oh are there any different play modes? Like practice / 1 ball etc
Try this, if you have Pinball FX on Steam, load up TAF, then press "G" on the keyboard. That will turn off the effects (extra animations, artwork, etc.), it's the same for TAF on the 4KP. Hope that clarifies. Press "G" again to toggle them back on.
@@WagnersTechTalk crazy! Thank you so much for your extra time explaining :)
Why is the center ramp dumping the ball out into the bumpers on the left instead of delivering the ball all the way down and across to the right flipper?? Am I seeing things??
Also why did you never attempt the skill shot "Good thinking!"
There really should still be a performance mode at 1024
What is the purpose of the builders plates and serial numbers if there are multiple machines with different dates all labeled 00001?
This is number 1, as mentioned in the video, only a handful from the production line so far and all were individually numbered.
@@WagnersTechTalk Every machine you've shown has been numbered 00001.
The machine from Pinball Expo was not a production model. All 9 of those machines had a builder's plate of 00001 and same mfg. date and were hand-made (small quantity for the show). Essentially, they were demo units. The one shown here is an actual production model, is actually 00001 and really built on the date shown. Hope that clarifies.
I'm curious, does the back light up during gameplay?
Not sure what area you're asking about. The topper? Yes, it lights up. The backglass display lights up as does the DMD. If you're asking about the material around both displays, that part does not light up.
The backglass usually has some lighting effects that correlate with the gameplay. I don't see it in your video. It just a still picture
I am extremely disappointed with the Adams Family pinball that I just put together. The ball constantly stutters on all the Zechariah tables, making the experience frustrating. The HD version was running much smoother compared to this.😢
The flipper lag is only present on the Adam's family table.
The stuttering we're seeing on the Magic Pixel (MP) tables was not there in earlier builds I tested. As soon as I noticed it, it was reported. If you look at the many short videos I made on all the Zaccaria, TAITO, Dr. Seuss tables, there is absolutely no stuttering with MP tables. For that reason, I think it's going to be a timely fix.
Since updating to the latest fw, I've been analyzing the flipper latency in both MP and Zen tables. That information can be found here, if interested: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Legends_Pinball_4K_Latency (see the yellow bar at the top for a video of those tests).
@WagnersTechTalk what else is annoying is the nudges. When you nudge the MP tables, it's nice and subtle. When you nudge Adam's family, it looks like a freakin earth quake.
I see you've made a video for OTG does my pc need 3 hdmi outputs? If not what kind of adapter would I need? I already have a good gaming pc.
Also do you really think that the integrated pcb on the machine is comparable to the laptop you bought?
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Jon I know you had a laptop did it work ok for your 4k atgames pinball ?
The laptop worked great for OTG, yes. I purchased it when filming the EVT OTG video. Then, started filming more videos in 4K and wound up using the laptop not for OTG but for creating all my videos. My old laptop was struggling to keep up (4K video editing is very CPU/GPU intensive). While it was purchased with the intent of using it for OTG, that's no longer the case.
@@WagnersTechTalk when you used the laptop did the screen placements move all over the place ? Was there a way to keep them the way they need to be ? Rudy said that’s the problem with using a laptop ?? I figured you would know
I moved the laptop display to the far right of the DMD. After setting, then rebooting the laptop, the displays seemed to "lock" into place and didn't identify any issues.
@@WagnersTechTalk perfect 👍 I will try I’m getting my 4k soon I ordered it with pre installed ssf kit
@@WagnersTechTalk Jon I love your videos I would love to see you do one with usage of a gaming laptop with otg and the way to set it up or include it in your written instructions 🙏😊
Hey Jon! Thanks for the update. I do believe that the playfield is way too bright. Shouldn't it he a bit moodier? Is that a word? Lol. It looks flat and very 2 dimensional. What are your thoughts on that?
I turned the brightness up on both the playfield and the DMD for this video. The camera for the playfield was mounted 3ft above the playfield, about 4 feet away from the backglass+DMD. Hard to balance perfectly with multiple cameras. It's not the typical angled view I usually create.
I understand the camera issues...I am a camera operator by trade (shameless plug, BlueSky Filmworks) but does the playfield look 3 dimensional as much as it should?
It looks like what was shown here, though again the brightness level can be adjusted and I did have it set higher than the defaults to get a better image due to the distance from the camera. I wanted to provide the clearest image possible (given my video equipment limitations). Looking closely at the table, the rails and on-screen elements look sharp (no jaggies). It looks 3D-ish, if that's such a word. It's software and network connected, as a result, can be improved over time.
Thanks for the reply my friend. Best of luck to ya!
Outstanding how much was it to buy one
They are $1,499 without the SSF kit and $1,999 with the SSF kit preinstalled. The SSF Kit isn't required, but definitely adds to the realism. The SSF kit can also be added later, if you choose not to order it installed. There are various skins available also: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Table_Editions
116 milliseconds is too much lag.
I hope its only the adams family thats over 100. Can this be confirmed?
Yes, I can confirm it's only with TAF. It's the only Zen table I have to test, currently.
@@WagnersTechTalkthanks for the super helpful response I appreciate it! Love the videos too good job! Is it possible to tell us the latency on non zen games for the flipper or you don’t have any non zen games to test?
Will a 3 way hdmi splitter work for OTG?
For OTG, you'll need 3 independent HDMI ports connected to the PC. If your PC/Graphics card doesn't have multiple HDMI ports, you can use a USB to HDMI adapter. See this section that has some suggestions that I used during early testing: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp4k/#Part_3_OTG
@WagnersTechTalk Jon, my pc only has 2 hdmi. I looked on Amazon for a usb to hdmi I can't find a 4k one. Could you please provide a link to what I need exactly? Thanks. BTW my pc does not have usb c
@@TheBigb1973You'll use the 4K HDMI from your PC for the playfield. Then, at the link above you'll find the dock that I used (has two HDMI ports, see 2nd point). So, if you already have 2 on your PC, you'll have 4 available.
@@WagnersTechTalk your link shows usb c. I don't have usb c on my desktop. What other alternative?
Can we see gameplay with your hands showing for we can see the flipper lag?
Sure, see 07:30 where I do that.
Kinda disappointed there is no light mapping or reflections here and that its running basically the same table as the version in "The pinball arcade" that ive been running on android since 2015...
It looks shiny and flat with too much brightness and no contrast like the one on pc, i hope they fix that
This was a top-down view of the playfield, it's going to look a bit different during game play. I wanted to make sure that you saw a clear view of the playfield, animations, etc. It's exactly what it looks like, however the brightness was set higher than the defaults to make sure the playfield was clearly visible on camera.
The speed of the table looks very slow. Is there anyway to adjust the ball rolling speed in the settings and is this going to be available to buy in the UK.? Thanks.
I think you are referring to the ball physics, that is up to customer feedback to Zen. The settings that are available are those shown here. Not sure about international availability, if I find something out I'll add it to the guide page.
It will eventually be released in the UK but by the time vat, exchange rate etc is added on it will be so expensive that you'd be better off building your own machine with 120fps frame rate using virtua pinball. This is what I plan to do
Still hard to judge. It was absolutely awful when I played at Expo. Had a chance to cancel my order but I kept the deposit out there.
Hope it's drastically improved and look forward to seeing names of other titles soon
Yeah, it wasn't in good shape at PE '23. I mentioned a few areas in this video that could still use some improvements, but overall it plays much better than what we saw at the show. Even after having one of those machines here for about 2 months, I'd rarely play TAF for that reason. Always playing the other tables instead. Since receiving this machine, I play TAF frequently and enjoy it, a lot. That said, I'm really looking forward to hear the opinions of others once they get their machines.
Can you shut off all the animations so you can have the original table?
He shows that in the video the answer is yes
Oh I must’ve misunderstood, I thought that was for the scoring animation and not the golf clubs and stuff. My bad.
np 😎
I’m still seeing quite a bit of stutter in the ball. Specifically during the multi ball and coming out of the chair.
I've watched the video at least a dozen times, please provide a timestamp where you're seeing that. I may be overlooking it.
@@WagnersTechTalk you know what, I stand corrected, I decided to watch again on a different TV and wasn’t seeing that occasional stutter. I think what I was seeing was one of those occasional motion stutters that comes from some feature on the other TV.
Thank you so much for confirming, I couldn't find anything and thought maybe it's just me not seeing it. It means a lot that you replied back, thank you!
@@WagnersTechTalk sure thing, sorry for any confusion.