Caitlin Moran and the trouble with men
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The Matts are joined by author and journalist Caitlin Moran to talk about men and the manisphere. What can men learn from the progress women made with feminism? It’s a broad spectrum conversation veering from pornography to football, from the benefits of banter to why so many men are so bad at friendships.
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Thank you for this podcast. I do enjoy listening to the banter between the two of you, but including Caitlin Moran in this episode was inspired. She is wonderfully interesting and the interaction between the three of you added greatly to the very serious subject being discussed. More of this type of podcasts, please.
Like feminism MGTOW has plenty of different layers. Not all men that don’t want to interact with women want to see them harmed, but of course that doesn’t make good reading or good copy. There are plenty of women in their older years who decide they don’t want a man, but this isn’t considered dangerous. It’s just someone’s choice
"Lets view men's issues through the lens of feminism". Sigh. Though I do agree with a lot of points, it still irks me. The jealousy thing sort of makes sense, but I think its more a feeling of exclusion, lesbian gay trans is cool, straight women cool, but straight men, yuck, keep them away. So I think less than jealousy it's a reaction to being viewed as lesser, publicly at least, for almost all of their life. Of course, straight women don't actually think straight men are yuck, but it's convenient for them to play along. A giant shit test that all of society has been playing along with.
I really think a lot of commentators forget what it's like to be a teenager/young adult. It's fine telling your son to stand up to the problematic "alpha" males in school, but him standing up and saying "I think that's bad behaviour I'm gonna tell my parents and the teachers" is, in general, is not going to end up with them scoring a lot of social points or dating the hottest girl in the class. This fantasy that males being more in touch with their emotions blah blah will lead to better outcomes in dating is just not true, at least for people under the age of 25.
As a thought experiment, (or a study) take a group of 19 year old males: 50% follow Andrew Tate and mano-sphere advice, 50% follow feminist advice. Which group do you think are getting more action with the opposite sex?
The fact is young women reward the former more, especially young women who are on the higher end of the attractive scale and get a lot of attention. The reason PUA was so popular and "The Game" was a best selling book, is because it works. So you can try and tell young males to change their behaviour to be more feminist all you want, but it's not gonna help them in the hard reality of young adult dating, and it's probably going to be quite detrimental to a large portion of them.
At no point in this interview was the behaviour of women who are selecting these "problematic alpha males" discussed or even mentioned, which is telling.
She didn't talk about it in this interview, but she has done so when promoting the book the first time round..
Imagine a gopher telling a landscaper how to do his job. Now imagine how _insane_ that landscaper would look if he stood there and argued with *a gopher.*
@@DoctorDerpman wait wat are you calling me the insane landscaper? r/rareinsults
Congratulations on identifying an obvious problem, and delivering an utterly wrong and insulting diagnosis.
Do you have any solutions...?
@@anonnymous4684 Ideally I would begin with a bucket, truss, gimp mask, a Red Camera and your mum.
Used to really like Caitlin. But i can't help but think this was a rather naive take on both men's and womens problems
Very good!
Is that Pep’ Guardiola?
Crazy eyes