Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vegan Junk Food?
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Just because you’re eating vegetarian or vegan doesn’t mean you’re eating healthy. How does vegan cheese, ice cream and other junk food affect stroke risk?
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From a medical standpoint, labels like vegan and vegetarian just tell me what you don’t eat. It’s like identifying yourself as a “No-Twinkie-atarian.” Uh, that’s great that you don’t eat Twinkies, but what’s the rest of your diet like?
OK, so what are the healthiest foods? Check out my daily dozen (nutritionfacts....
To catch up on the series so far, check out:
• What to Eat for Stroke Prevention (nutritionfacts....)
• What Not to Eat for Stroke Prevention (nutritionfacts....)
• Do Vegetarians Really Have Higher Stroke Risk? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vitamin D? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Omega 3s? (nutritionfacts....)
Stay tuned for:
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Saturated Fat? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Animal Protein? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vitamin B12 & Homocysteine? (nutritionfacts....)
• How to Test for Functional Vitamin B12 Deficiency (nutritionfacts....)
• Should Vegetarians Take Creatine to Normalize Homocysteine? (nutritionfacts....)
• The Efficacy and Safety of Creatine for High Homocysteine (nutritionfacts....)
UPDATE: The EPIC-Oxford authors issued a correction. The actual values are left-right mirror reversed, so the vegan BMI is 22.2 and the “Low meat-eaters” 23.7. Doesn’t change any of the conclusions in the video but does certainly make more sense. Hat tip to Chloe! (pubmed.ncbi.nl...)
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"so you're vegan?"
"No, i eat a whole food plant based diet." Great videos, thank you!
@Gera Hey Pretty sure he's going to say B12. B12 is needed for platelet generation and vegans often have low platelet counts. Platelets secrete growth factors that help repair weakened blood vessels (but too high platelet counts can cause the other kind of stroke due to clots). However, I came across a study that showed no association between B12 and hemorrhagic stroke, but did find an association with low folate:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15933256/
Folate can be found in leafy greens (for some reason Swiss chard does not have much even though it is related to spinach). Broccoli, beans and lentils have a lot of folate, too.
There are some other things besides B12 that are likely protective against hemorrhagic stroke not found in abundance (or at all ) in a vegan diet - taurine, cysteine, and zinc.
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My husband had to cut back on his B12 supplement since a blood test showed it was too high. He asked his doctor for the B12 test and the doctor agreed to it since my husband is a vegetarian. High B12 has been found to be associated with higher mortality, but it is unclear whether this is a consequence of cause of disease - but until more is known it is probably better not to go too high:
www.alzforum.org/news/research-news/too-much-vitamin-b12-health-hazard
It might not be a good idea to make the assumption that excess amounts of water soluble vitamins are 'just peed out' and there are no effects (good or bad) from taking a lot at once. It is possible, for example, that there could be effects on the gut microbiome - microbes use vitamins, too.
I can't take being strung along like this anymore. Give me the answer. LOL
Me and you both!
oils. seed and vegetable oils.
aaand dairy products + eggs which are super high in saturated fat
Vitamin B12
High levels of homocysteine leads to high stroke risk levels. So, if you don't correctly supplement your b12 all the benefits of a vegan whole food diet you loose.
Enough with the cliffhangers... I might have a stroke today.
B12 and/or and dairy + eggs, i call it.
2 things making this channel worse...the cliffhangers, and the reappearance of Dr. Greger on screen again...sorry fans, but you know it's true.
the answer is vitamin b12 deficiency
@@Julottt I think you will win (too bad there's no betting pool). Both low B12 and dairy lower platelet count; low platelet count increases risk of hemorrhagic stroke. Platelets release growth factors that maintain blood vessel integrity:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3229170/
Loving doctor's sense of humour, I can watch these videos instead of Netflix series. They even keep me in suspense, can't wait the topic to be continued.
and I bet the culprit are ... eggs
Is it the stress from these cliffhangers?
Maybe the nutritional suspense is similar to fasting's stress on the body? lol then we'd have an additional good for our health reasons to watch these mini nutri-flixs
whole foods plant based for the win! getting rid of processed junk food also helps to eliminate so much added sugar and salt. it had such an impact on my life! 🌱
I bet it's the stress of searching for places to eat when you're out
I bet it's all the vegan donuts, vegan cupcakes, fake meat, and sugar.
@@gmnotyet vegan donuts and cupcakes are not worse than regular donuts. same for fake meat, and sugar is unrelated to veganism (both groups consume about the same amounts)
@@gmnotyet Cause of the high palm oil content perhaps.
Hahaha
lol!!!! clever
Can't wait for the season finale.
What a timing!. Exactly when i'm eating lunch
Really not liking the new cliffhanger style...I don't watch these videos for entertainment value.
I don't have any problems with this format. Each of these videos have been entertaining and interesting. Definitely waiting for the last one though.
FACTS are a beautiful 😍 thing!!!
It's the data it's the data lol
I wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with hydrogenated and refined fats and refined sugars for the reason for the increased stroke risk. A lot of vegan or vegetarian junk food is loaded with these things.
chiyerano I wouldn’t think so hydrogenated vegetable fats have been removed from practically all foods in the U.K. for years. More likely coconut oils, palm oils and olive oils.
@@sid35gb I was referring more to the U.S. and the oils you mentioned are perfectly fine when consumed sparingly in their virgin forms. Refined oils and refined carbohydrates are much more likely to be the problem with vegan junk food in either country.
chiyerano I think you’re fully understanding what refined fats are. because coconut, palm and olive oil are all refined oils. If you think coconut oil at +80% saturated fat with palm and olive oils also high in saturated fats are healthy this is not the case.
@@sid35gb I said they are fine to eat in their virgin forms sparingly. I didn't say they are healthy. They are safe to eat. I know this because people have eaten these things historically and presently in areas such as Africa, Asia and other areas of the globe without having the health problems we have in the U.S. and U.K. today. You may want to look instead at highly processed oils especially oils such as corn and soybean oil and highly refined carbohydrates.
@@sid35gb If other parts of the globe are now having health problems it is because they have started to adopt the American and western way of eating recently with all the refined carbohydrates and highly processed oils as well as increased meat and dairy consumption.
lets all contact morningstar and tell them to lower the sodium in their food by 75%
Great idea. Let tell as many companies as possible, the makers of tofurky, Amy's chili etc. Wanna start a salt free or unsalted group to educate companies & request change like similar to peta? Salt& sugar hurts alot of lives, we could inspire change. Off to contact morningstar.
At this point it's sure b12
I've been eating quite a lot of marmite or light soy sauce with my rice or pasta recently, I'm so glad I cam across this video. Thanks Dr. Greger.
Also, pink Himalayan salt is pushed as healthier salt than sea salt, and definitely table salt. But it's sort of like what Hench Herbivore says about oils. No oil is good for us, some oils are just less bad than others. Coconut is the worst of them all.
Spoiler alert: Oil. Stop with the Omega 6's and get more Omega 3's
Edit: guess I was wrong! Oh no. Keep watching I guess :)
Dr. Greger, you're great! Thank you!
Very interesting
Halfway off the cliff...thanks for doing the research and posting!
I’m gonna have a stroke if he doesn’t tell us the answer soon lol.
We are all about healthy aging and this junk food lesson is a very good one for all of us.
Could low intake of green vegetables (source of folate/B9) and/or low vitamin B12 status among the vegetarians be the explanation?
He'll probably say B12 (he has said before the reason British vegans don't seem to have an overall mortality benefit is low B12 + overall crappy diet). However I came across this article that found an association for hemorrhagic stroke with folate status but not B12 status:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15933256/
Puzzling since B12 is involved in platelet production and low platelet count could be the causal connection (vegans often have low platelets).
Other things that may be protective that are not found in abundance in a vegan diet are taurine, cysteine, and zinc. Taurine is especially important in the contexts of both high salt and high glycemic index food intakes.
The waiting for the answer is so nerve wrecking I might actually get a stroke from it! LOL!
You can always use it for inspiration to doa internet search then when you see the next video it's either confirmation or whatever conclusions you come to after your own information research.
Dr G!!! Could you please do a video on the California Prop 65 warning label? I’ve been looking into workout supplements and a lot of them have it and I was reading there is a lot of naturally occurring lead and pesticides in the food supply. That would be helpful to see what to keep our recommend dosage at per day and how to properly detoxify
I'm very frustrated by the Prop 65 warnings since they don't include information on what substance is at issue (or how much). If the information were included I could make decisions on whether to eliminate or just limit how much I consume. I'm still eating teff porridge despite the Prop 65 since it is the only thing that really helps with chronic constipation; I hope it's not for arsenic since I have had a precancerous lesion in my urinary tract.
This is exactly why I must explain to people that I'm not Vegan or Vegetarian. haha
@@zack7122 because I eat whole foods and plants?
@@zack7122 I'm saying due to the vegan and vegetarian junk food that exist, this is why I correct people that assume I'm vegan or vegetarian when I tell them I'm wfpb. Just a misunderstanding.
doctor please show the research source so that we can read again and we
can use it to educate others.
Very interesting! Love that mystery series format Dr Greger.
thanks very informative.. and leading in the right direction
Surely also B12 low levels in vegetarians can be a contributive factor to strokes.
Maybe is the cheese and eggs they are consuming
I like this series. Very detailed
😂Tell that Dr Walter Kempner that sugar is not healthy.
sugar is the source of life. kempner was a genius
He treated malignant hypertension and diabetic retinopathy with white rice, fruit and Sugar !!
@@zaid6164 Successfully too!
This cliffhanger style will force people to learn new things! :) Thanks doc!
❤️Thank You ❤️
So just from observation a vegetarian is just a meat eater. The only difference is they eat meat from the water instead of meat from both land and water... I hate how the industry stole the words, oh well let's see how long until WFPB get's co-oped to mean something else.
I've been a vegetarian for a year or so -- or a little more -- twice in my life. Lost a lot of weight both times. In my opinion, unless someone has a lot of money, it is really hard not to eat vegan junk food. I remember in my poor late teens, eating a ketchup sandwich and thinking I was being healthy. I think for most people, it's way easier to actually eat healthy on a low-meat, flexitarian diet. If your rich, by all means, live it up. If your poor, flexitarian gives you healthier, affordable options. And by the way, one way of vegetarian failure is to "fall off the wagon." With flexitarianism, there is nothing to fall off of, so it can perpetually be adjusted and fine tuned.
Master of Cliffhanger! :D
You can never go wrong with a whole food plant base diet(whole grains, nuts and seeds, leafy green, fruits) and supplement with B12 and Vitamin D if you dont get enough sun exposure
I would love to see you say something about apigenin.
What if your blood pressure is lower than normal? Would the stroke risk be much lower automatically?
Love your videos!
What's wrong with sugar water? It's low in arterycloggingsaturatedanimalfatandcholesterol.
Only homemade dishes are healthy🌱💚
Oh geez, Lol...you're always leaving us in suspense! What a saga this one is ;-)
What the statics are on the number of people who have died while waiting for the answer to this series?... Lol
Some of the background is appearing in the glasses. That chroma key needs some adjustments.
this lore is too extensive. what will the next episode contain!!??? hahah! keep up the awesome work Dr. Greger
Damnit. I want more!
I didn't mind your squeakyish voice but there were a lot of people who didn't like it. You've changed it up a bit which I think will give people one less reason to complain. Lots of love here!
how is it possible to eat >100g of fiber a day?! My typical day is 12 bananas with 7 leafy green smoothy, and 4 cups of farro rice, 1/2 cup of lentils with 1 cup of broccoli and I estimate that to be
He said milligrams, not grams.
You can plug your foods into cronometer and get a pretty accurate idea of how much fiber you're getting. A vegan, whole food plant based diet should easily give you at least 60mg per day. If you need help, beans and other legumes are great sources.
I haven't seen a Dr. Greger video in a long time, but I can't believe him when he claims that his diet is the best. Maybe it's good for some people, but he looks like his health is suffering.
As far as I know he doesn't sleep much at all. That could be a big factor, if you see something strange about him.
@@chaos98GTVS Then he should figure out how to get more sleep.
Other people get also sick on a plant-based diet, just look up all the "why I'm no longer vegan" and "ex-vegan" videos on RUclips
@@alexandervonhumboldt1123 i tried to be vegan and after 4 days i got so dizzy :(
Great video by the way - I review Vegan food also
What about low cholesterol levels and aggressive cancers?
Reverse causation
@@captspiff8939 I had to quit veganism because I had super low cholesterol levels. Now I'm like Arnold, I eat WFPB + eggs.
@Steven L. Total cholesterol 85. When Chris Masterjohn was vegan, his cholesterol was 120 and he had serious neurological symptoms and my choletsrol is way lower than his. If anyone knows healthy vegan way to raise cholesterol then I can go back vegan.
@Steven L. No sex drive, no spontaneous erections ever. Depression and muscle weakness.
@Steven L. I can't get whole coconut from where I live and I don't think it's good to eat any oils...
I really want to believe this guy if he looked healthy after all these years.
Yep. I'm always trying to understand how he can be years younger than me and looking like that.
@@LisaCulton much of the studies come from questionable countries.. for example one study touted Saffron and it was done by mds from the biggest producer (Iran).. another one is Amla (India).. and others from China... Of course they have interest just like meat and egg producers.
Those cliffhangers, Dr. Greger...
I'm guessing it has something to do with eggs and dairy.
Same!
I think it's oil
@@carrie6743 No Oil!
Great video
Comparing an healthy and balanced ('real plant' -based 90% and animal 10%) with a 100% plant-based diet would give the same striking differences in heart disease frequency between the 2 groups?
Dr Greger's voice is animated enough with just the graphics...absolutely no need to have him on screen as well. Please make the change back to the old format.
Living with someone who buys a lot of processed vegan food for me though I write lists of fresh, whole foods and fresh frozen foods, but he eats everything he wants, animals, their secretions, dairy pizza, dairy ice cream, then also keeps all the fresh fruit, berries, dark leafy greens, cruciferous vegetables, fresh garlic, most fruit and vegetables to himself in a separate refrigerator and freezer, has a chef prepare these for him along with meat, fish, eggs but nothing for me (I wouldn't touch a vegetable from that), and wonders why I'm exhausted and begging for food, maybe obsessed with it, and might later wonder why a healthy young vegan since birth had a stroke and he will probably determine it was the lack of animal product nutrients, the five pound processed food weight gain in as many months, not getting active, getting more angry, or the anti anxiety medication. Then he can talk about how I ruined his life and also about how he's so very sad for his loss. He'll get hours of conversations out of this.
Another episode?? omg I was sure this was the end. If I have a stroke before this ends (if it ever does), please someone sue these guys...
A plant-based diet changed my life and it can change yours.
Nice
Hmm, sounds like at least a partial explanation for increased stroke risks.
What a saga 😂
This video justifies me eating cornmeal porridge, sweet potato, bananas, and grapes almost exclusively for a couple weeks. Thank you.
Is it possible that heart disease and cancer take out the carnivores/omnivores before strokes do?
The suspense...😒
Здравствуйте! Вы трогайте очень жизненно необходимые темы, но ничего не понятно, необходим русский перевод!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn, I thought I was going to get the answer. I will just to travel in time to get it.
3:31 - There is a slight flaw in saying designed to eat. Evolution means we adapt and change. So what we ate in the past millions of years ago, doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy today. Birds can eat lighters and rocks, so to assume that some how in the past we was doing things correctly, and now we're doing things incorrectly isn't really rational. One has to work out if it's healthy, not simply say we did it in the past. As in the person feels healthier, their body is acting optimally. One has to work out what leads to them being healthier overall.
i think its cassava not kitava
Hmm...unfortunately my brain stops me from making rational choices. So baby steps
I need to know the answer already! I might have a stroke today!
To what degree were EGGS (high in cholesterol) part of the vegetarians' diet compared to the other groups? The table at 3:58 does not tell.
I think the good doc talked about eggs in a previous video in this cliffhanger series
The mother of cliffhangers!
I am the vegan donut eating ethical vegan lol
I am giving monthly donations to nutritionfacts.org to get healthy, not entertained. So far in this "Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors" series I did not learn anything helpful. I complained about this in my comment on the previous video. This time I am making threat: get to the bottom line in the next video or I will stop my monthly donation. You are not putting my money to good use. Oh and if it's B12 I will also stop my donation, because this is not new (as I mentioned in my comment on the previous video), so this wont be putting my money to good use either.
Cholesterol in eggs is the answer?
I’m great
not eating enough fruit
Stop teasing me like this lol
I was thinking vitamin B-12, but that would affect vegans even more. Since I'm a lacto-ovo, I'm very curious now.
I can't remember now, did he specify which kind of stroke the veggies were having?
I haven't listened yet but thank you. "Hidden oil"
Nooo continue the hunt now! Now I say!
Vegetarians need fortification food. This kind of food made in industry. Dilematic.
Some vegans who are adamant about doing it "for the animals" will go so far as to disregard healthy vegan eating advice since they don't want to be seen as "health vegans," which they do not consider to be the "true" vegans..'
Enough with the waiting...
1:07 that's why you're unfit
While it's getting a little annoying to wait for an answer, we know from this video that good things= higher fiber, lower sodium, high potassium. In general just a lot of fruit and vegetables, which a lot of vegetarians don't get so much. So it's helpful, but come on!
Eat your greens without salt and your good to go... Lol
I'm going to go ahead and call it now. Vitamin B12.
Gotta be B12.
i love you
@NutritionFacts is this really the type of thing you should be dragging out over the course of weeks? It's always highlighted that Dr Gregor is not in this for the monetization so what the hell are you doing?
There is a lot of information. Maybe he want you to actually understand why
Instead of just telling you
No offense, but Dr Gregor looks incredibly weak and fragile. I'm 99% sure that my 13 year old brother could beat him in a fight.
@DaRKsOUL HAHAHAHAHA WHAT
I drink diet soda so its not liquid candy.
Dr Greger, how much do you bench press?
The answer is: No.
I REALLY wish Dr Greger would simply get to the point. The info is interesting, but this never ending cliffhanger has lost it's entertainment value.
but you are still coming back for more :-)
Idk, I enjoy the amount of information I am getting. It's useful to learn about how others failed a vegan diet and what should we avoid eating.
Agreed
He's just training our reward centers to hold back on the dopamine. Anti-click bait.
He is doing literature review to try to find out what is going on
The plot thickens...