FINALLY a Small and Cheap Electric Van!
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- E-commerce has transformed our cities. 1 in 10 people in the UK rely on a van for work, whilst worldwide, big logistics companies pay millions of dollars each year in parking vans. With heavy traffic and limited parking is it time for a much smaller and simpler solution?! Robert went to meet Musoshi, the company behind this cute, cheap and slightly bizarre three wheeler to find out!
00:00 Hello!
0:40 Introducing Musoshi
01:50 Three Wheels?!
03:00 Made by people who deliver stuff
03:30 Expectations have changed
04:00 The perfect size
05:00 The stats!
06:00 Many more Musoshis!
06:42 Robert takes it for a spin
07:34 It's quite nippy!
08:35 Nice and basic
09:25 Already on the road around Europe!
10:13 Can we buy one?
10:32 Concluding thoughts
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This is the ideal delivery van body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
It's true! I've never seen a big delivery van packed to the ceiling - you can't even reach the ceiling. This van and by extension the Japanese small vehicle trend? will be sorely needed in our cities moving forward
Is it as stable as the Reliant Robin?
@@BixbyConsequence
Tell me you didn't watch the vid without saying you didn't watch the vid?
Similar stuff is already all over the place, and proven, in China.
_"You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like."_
Well... 65 millions years ago, T-Rex were all the rage. Today we've got Chickens...
... ain't progress a beautifully relative thing ?
The 'happy face' that kids wave at and makes people smile has a knock-on effect with the driver; happy faces make lowers aggression levels. It's brilliant.
One thing that struck me was that Robbo literally walked into the cabin, no stepping up required. That alone would be huge for delivery guys who are in & out of their vans many times during their rounds.
The simplicity & flexibility is pure genius, plus the drivers enjoy people waving & smiling as they go by. That is priceless. 👍
This is basically the modern version of the old milk float that I used to drive back in the 60s We really need a car version of this with 2 seats and LOW PRICED.
A £40.000 car is not reasonably priced for most people.
Innovative technology is great to look at and hear about, but something that is in the reach of low paid workers so that they do not have to drive older IC vehicles is what we really need now. 104 degree weather in the UK this week is finally proving that we don't have 10 years to sort things out
So a Citroen Ami. Only thing I'd like to see is more small EV's at low price that can do motorway speeds. This only does 30mph which might be fine in the city but feels a bit fraught in more open areas with speedier roads. Dacia spring might do it but apparently it's been delayed to 2024 for UK due to high demand in existing markets.
@@stuartmorgan3654 It does 30 mph because that is all that is needed for this type of vehicle it is not meant for the motorway. Try listening to the video you are watching next time.
@@grahamjohnson4702 £40k. Fourty thousand! It's designed to grab a few green transportation grants from the government and nothing else.
@@OhFishyFish I don't follow your logic as it is a world vehicle not designed to grab any local grants so that's your answer up the shoot. But at £40000 I think it has missed the opportunity to be a price beater. With all that low tech £25000 would be the sensible pricing point, perhaps that is why no video has disclosed the price.
@@grahamjohnson4702 I don't doubt you don't get it.. It's another stupid project nobody would buy at the full RRP. Its a £40k tuk tuk with top speed of a bicycle for crying out loud.
These look fantastic. Just like the Piaggio Apecars you still see everywhere here in southern Italy. They still make them, too. I’m completely baffled that they’re still being manufactured with two-strokes and that Piaggio aren’t focusing on something like this instead.
here in india, piaggio became so successful that other such as Mahindra motors, copied made their 3three called alfa. baja motors, and tvs motors did the same copy work
Stuck in the past, and I would say half the vehicle could be done by Piaggio in house with no problems, just get the power plant, inverter and battery in. But stuck with the mentality of "not invented here", so they still do a 2 stroke engine, even if the rest of the planet has 4 strokes with better fuel economy, and much cheaper running cost, for the same price as the 2 stroke engine. Just means they will be bought out by Musoshi very soon, and become just another name from the past, though the brand may continue on this electric van in Italy.
Cheap conversion kits for 2-stroker's is what's needed next. India seems to be all over this and with good reason. A huge existing fleet that just needs tweaking not trashing!
@@stickynorth In india, all piaggio are 4 stroke engine. I am shocked that piaggio still makes 2 stroke engines.
Piaggio Ape electric is available in India, size is little larger this. They are market leaders on the same I guess. Quality is not comparable to this one, especially interiors.
Take off the box, put on a fifth-wheel plate and you've got an electric Scammell Scarab. Those were used for "last mile" deliveries by British Rail for years - they could swap the trailer for a freshly made up load/different body (box, flatbed, etc) much quicker in the freight depots.
It actually looked like the box on the Midi & Maxi versions was swappable with a forklift.
It actually looked like the box on the Midi & Maxi versions was swappable with a forklift.
Just looked those up. Interesting
wonder if you could also have some of the batteries on the trailer.. so that you can charge one while it's back at base or similar.. probably overcomplicating things
I saw 8t and had the same thought. The Scarab reimagined.
Three wheels, perfect for going forwards into a “parallel parking” space, without riding the kerb.
The once common electric milk float in the UK had three wheels. They knew a thing or two way back then!
Electric milk floats are still common, my local company however have always had 4 wheels. They use old Cromptons from the early 80s.
They dropped them due to safety issues around stability.
@@BrettCooper4702 Hmm, perhaps the issue lay more with the standard of the drivers?
@@t1n4444 .. Nope.. Tricycles with a single front wheel are inherently unstable.
@@paspax Yet Reliant Robins were still on UK roads for a very long time, ditto some early sports car, admittedly in a reverse configuration.
Had they been "dangerous" then perhaps the vehicles would have disappeared from production altogether?
The episode mentioned the vehicles featured were extremely popular so will presume it comes down to driving standards, the abilities of the drivers themselves and the environment they inhabit?
Watching Clarkson hamming it up at every opportunity to overturn a three wheeler is not "real life", is it.
Plus he demonstrated the survivability of several self induced relatively slow 'tipping overs".
Three wheel configurations, single front wheel, offer huge advantages in that the turning circle is small cf two axle four wheel configurations.
Ergo they are ideally placed as delivery vehicles where absolute speed, as in an urban area, isn't required.
They are sometimes labelled "last mile" delivery vehicles.
That said, now we are seeing proposals that the 30mph speed limit should be be reduced to 20mph throughout the land then such a vehicle might be absolutely idea for both urban and suburban commuting.
I'd have one.
I was just thinking the other day "Wouldn't it be cool to have an electric rickshaw?". Seems my prayers were answered.
The key to this design is its simplicity and presumably avoiding the usual safety regulations by falling within the European Cycle Car spec. For many people this is just what they are looking for, overstuffing cars with frequently unwanted semi self driving tech etc just drives up the price and adds to the chip shortage. I wish them every success.
Brilliant little vehicle, perfect for inner city work and probably a lot of fun to drive. One suggestion I’d make though is that they loose the passenger seat so that the driver could enter and exit the vehicle from the kerb side as well as the road side - less risk to the diver of being hit by traffic in a narrow street when getting in and out of the vehicle. You could also put the driver in the middle of the cab; that way there would be no need to make separate variants for LH and RH drive markets.
Some good design suggestions 👏
Thought the same. It will remove some dead weight as well.
Perhaps some use cases require a second person to assist in carrying stuff.
They could offer a single seat configuration as an option though.
And either remove the doors (in warm countries) or fit sliding doors that can be latched open. Makes entry / egress quicker, and easier in tight spots.
I like your idea of putting the driver in the middle. A second seat could be an optional seat that can fold away, like the second seat in tractors.
Omg it’s SO cute. Lovely van too!
This is frankly an ideal EV concept. I wish simple EV options like this were available to consumers. If this thing did 100km/h and had 100km of range (and could be NHTSA approved) the platform would be ideal for commuting, micro-camping, delivery, shopping, everything! I want one.
Unfortunately to keep it safe and affordable we need to have our current models categorized under the regulations within the low speed vehicles segment. However, hold tight, in a year or so we will announce the production of our faster models with higher payload options.
@@musoshiEV looking forward to seeing what you have in the works! I know that safety regulations (requiring airbags, lane-departure warnings, etc…) have made it a real challenge to sell simple, high-utility vehicles in the US and other markets. Yours looks like a great example of the straightforward utility EV I wish for! Thx for the reply, I’ll “watch this space”. 👍🏼
British rail in the 1960s used a three wheeler last mile two stroke. So this really makes sense
I love when Mr Llewellyn is grinning from ear to ear. Then he is like a fish in water - or more accurate - like a FullyCharger in something propelled forward by electrons ⚡Keep flying ✌️
Great to have you back in front of the screen again!
Add a pop up roof to the midi or maxi and that would be a fun project to develop as a mini camper
yer or even for extended storage space if dealing with larger volume low weight items like amazon parcels etc
Reminds me a bit of the Electric Milk Floats that used to be everywhere in the 70s and 80s, only modernised. Bet you could convert one of these to fulfill that role very easily, if such things were to make a comeback.
And they had stability issues too
milk rounds are having a bit of a boom thanks to the pandemic..we get 2 deliveries a week and the local guy had to stop taking new customers..
It's like a return of the Scammell Mechanical Horse. The more things change, the more they stay the same :)
Watching episodes like this makes me feel positive about the future........ then I look out of the window and see 3 Range Rovers picking kids up from the primary school I live near...... Nice while it lasted!
Primary school???!!!
Bloody sauce! These vehicles are designed for yummy mummy ladies to drop off their offspring at prep school and later boarding school.
Suggest you telephone police next time and report suspected stolen vehicles.
Outrageous!
@@t1n4444 lol.... I should have been more specific, two were Evoque's 😂
Great. Love it - tiny van with a happy face. More of these please.
I've had a Piaggio Ape (three wheels and similar lights, face) and I can validate that kids love it and wave often. :-)
Did anyone notice the slots for a fork lift on the "midi"?
Forget "loading the van"
You load the "box".
The "van" pulls in,
A forklift swaps the boxes, the van pulls out.
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Barcode on the van.
Barcode on the box.
Load logged into the box.
The only downsides I see to this element are; increased weight, less time to rapid charge the vehicle
However, if the battery was part of the bottom of the box then when the van comes in for the next load it would automatically get the next charge in a matter of minutes
I still believe in cargobikes for this type of last mile. The Musoshi slurps 7x (!!!!) more electrons for the same distance. For instance the GoLo (at fully charged live) also has 1500L cargo space but only uses 18Wh/km, not 120 (like the musoshi). I think we need to step away from the thought that making everything electric will solve all energy problems and start taking efficiency seriously as well. I'd rather see a Wh/km figure (like we always did with gas cars) instead of a range figure. Just as an exampe, the hyped up Arrival van has a whopping (supposed) 391Wh/km efficiency, more than triple the Musoshi's and 21 (!!) times that of a big cargo bike like the GoLo. Just imagine needing 21x more solar panels for the same driven distance. And yes, for bigger cargo you need bigger vans but for parcels you just need different routes (flower petal pattern) to do it with a smaller vehicle and a couple extra stops at the depot
Well Musoshi is ready to buy, very comfortable and looks good. I think its aimed at wealthier companies
Technically in the US, the three-wheel version IS a bike.
Yes EVs are not created equal, Wh/km is crucial in comparing them. So far politicians and car manufacturers alike think "electric" = no emissions. Otherwise, comparing different types of vehicles, which likely has not been through the same testing cycle to measure consumption is difficult, also this carries 400kg of cargo, so I presume the stated consumption is for more than the load of the cargo bike? But you are right 120Wh/km is more than the typical (Chinese) small ordinary EV, especially when you consider the low top speed.
These are the vehicles that really affect our lives: the ones that get right into the hearts of our cities (and if they're I.C.E. then they make them horrible!)
Not convinced this truck has enough clearance to make a sharp turn up a sudden gradient narrow street or poorly placed kerb, but if it can truly deal with (all of) Istanbul, then that's a magnificent start!
Brilliant, super well thought out, perfect for dense cities with narrow streets and limited parking.
I can see these being commonplace in some environments quite quickly and like that it is not over engineered, arguably the failing of some of the competition. Probably most flexible with the box body as that would open it up for a small side loading capability. There are probably also some trades who could use a vehicle like this in a city environment with a customised box.
You are absolutely correct Steven! Musoshi vehicles are designed to respond to the needs of different industry verticals.
A nice replacement for our tricycles here in the Philippines. If there is gonna be a pax version of this vehicle. Good job musoshi!!!! 👏👌👍💪
Jack would wet himself with enthusiasm when he tries one of those!
I work part time as an Auto Parts Delivery Driver this would absolutely work for 9 out of 10 of my deliveries, usually small loads and most within a 10 mile -16km round trip.
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Great 3 wheeler. Love the simplicity. Excellent episode.
Interesting vehicle. From a design point of view I would have thought a sliding door would be most beneficial to delivery drivers who hop in and out all the time. Also if you’re making a vehicle small enough to potentially park end on on the street, a sliding door would be far easier to use in those situations.
Costs way too much
@@tommasoterzano5180 is a sliding door significantly more expensive than a hinged door?
@@dajfiel2 yep. and makes what you do with the back less customisable and more complex.
Came here to say this. One of the points of the video was that the vehicle could park between two other vehicles along the street. If someone parked the vehicle like it was in the video they would not be able to exit with the swing out doors. At least one of the doors should be sliding, at least as an option, to enable such ability.
Yes, having a cargo door only at the back is a negative. Ideally the driver should be able to enter the back of the vehicle from the front, and move in a central aisle between racks on either side. That way the order of delivery of the packages can easily be set during the loading of the vehicle, which takes place during the sorting process at the station. If one loads everything thru one rear door, then you would have to at the station complete the sort, with the load on the floor next to the vehicle, and then load all the packages into the vehicle in order of delivery, which is double handling of each package and more time.
Simply clever! Great idea, so proud 👏🏻🚚🇹🇷
I'm a part-time postman currently driving a Fiat POS diesel van driving 20 miles a day and walking 10-13 miles. This is way too small for an average day's route given the number of parcels we handle. It also needs a set of side doors so you can organise and access your load as you go along.
UPS seems to think differently. They’re already using it in the real world. Just saw it yesterday.
@@MaikTerOriginal yes, but couriers only deliver parcels to certain addresses. We cover every house (in my case 465) in the same route every day. I know Royal Mail is trialling Peugeot van EV’s in some cities and I can’t wait to ditch the diesel!
That would be why they have the larger variants with a configurable box on the back. They have way more storage and they're customisable.
We have milk delivered by 'Milk and More'. A couple of years ago they upgraded from the old traditional milk floats to modern electric vans. We no longer get disturbed by the clatter of the milk float; now its the slamming of the door! I guess its safety regulations which stops these vans going door-less like the old milk floats. I suggest an external electrotonic control rod, so the van can be guided externally without the driver having to get in 🙂
In your limited test, it seemed very stable on corners with very little roll. Being short enough to reverse up to the pavement would make it very easy to deliver bulky goods without getting in the way of passing traffic. It looks a great little vehicle, ideally suited to the job.
Did you watch the same video, it had huge roll when turn at the start of the video and that was on flat ground with no wind.
Looks like a nice platform for a mini camper. Some solar panels on top and you can drive one day charge for 4, then drive again.
Thats the spirit !!!!
I worked with one of these in 1964. It was called a 3 wheel milk float - and it was made in GB.
They make the cutest micro campers!
Adding a trailer to make even more room if needed...
That was my first thought too! It is 287cm long so long enough though the bed would have to extend into the passenger compartment. No to the trailer though since backing up becomes so hard.
Great piece of design!
Looks great, I can see this being ideal the right sized city's
Always happy to see such innovation
This car is like the child of the Reliant Robin and the Nissan Cube, and I love it! If I had a business, this would be my first pick for delivery vehicle!
That's a seriously cool little van - would be fantastic to see it here in the UK
This would be a good vehicle for retirees to scoot to the store for groceries. Small enough to fit in any garage, and which could be fitted with a much smaller box.
You could make a great little single person camper out of any of those 3 models.
Well done. A good idea that looks like it has been designed right. I wish them every success.
2:22 It is refreshing that front end design is happy looking, rather than the typical slant-eyed snarling grille as seen on all fords and many others for example - and to appeal to kids like that is great! Nice practical round lights design. The happy leccy tuk-tuk is here!
Personally I would love to see any vehicle that would scare kids away from it, better they keep a safe distance than try and hug it at 30mph!
There always has to be a contrarian, no matter what the topic is....
One thing I noticed at 3:21 was the locking catch hanging down, with the height requiring you lean into the vehicle I imagine lots of people banging the back of their head on that.
I never watch. Always listen....while working.
I am a handyman and am in tears because someone finally listened.
Great product I can easily imagine them Copenhagen.
That looks about the right size for a pallet or palletized bin so the load could be made up while the driver is on the road with the previous load.
(Reminds me of the ethos behind Scammel Scarabs).
Look at the midi
It has slots for a forklift.
If you had release pins, you could swap the whole box for a pre loaded one.
It would also be a nice little municipal work truck with a pickup bed on it. Or it could be a good vehicle for redistributing bike share bikes around the city.
Already working on it! 👍
These are ideal for last mile! I fully expect to see these everywhere in 5 years especially at the right price. Only like 5% of actual trips need more range than this thing offers and there's plenty of other vehicles for that! India for example is already converting their fleets of TukTuks's to electric just to save $$ this year due to fuel costs.. So definitely this company is onto something!
One of those ideas/videos you keep coming back to.
This is like the spiritual successor to Reliant's girder-fork vans.
It is isn't it
It’s a modern milk float, the whole of the uk used to depend on electric vehicles that were almost identical in capabilities. We had this and we’ve lost it!
Came here to say exactly the same thing.
Love your work 👍
This looks awesome!
I'd drive one in the US provided I could get snow tires for it. Looks pretty slick.
Spot the PROPER USPS van!!?
They also come with snow tires!
I love it! I'd love to be able to use one myself!
Great Video mate
Reminds me of Amazon UK e-bike delivery cargoes in London
Should also check the Swedish company Clean Motion. Saw something very similar, however with a solar roof that charges the van. Pretty cool stuff!
Hi There 🖖We are also working on the implementation of these panels on top of our EV's as well. This will be an option on our vehicles. However just to be clear, the amount of energy that can be created from a panel of such size would make a minimal charging affect on our batteries.
@@musoshiEV hey! Interesting, I know from the Clean Motion Re-volt marketing material, their pod could add around 100km of driving per day (600w of panels should be pretty significant during the entire lifespan of the vehicle). 😊
This looks very very similar to the "pods" by the swedish company Clean Motion, which you see in a few Swedish cities as taxis/delivery vehicles from the company Bzzt.
Three wheelers with the third wheel at the front are fundamentally less stable than those with it at the back, but being an EV with its batteries in the floor must make this one good enough for the job it has to do. I mean, no one is going to set a lap time at the Nürburgring in it (I hope). Pity they didn't put the driver in the middle, though, because then their weight would be symetrically over the front wheel, plus LHD & RHD versions would not be needed.
totally, driver not in the middle is a fail.
Driver in the middle was something we have considered a great deal. But we wanted to have a vehicle where a passenger can also be seated given that our EV's are designed to fulfill the needs of many different industry verticals. On our vehicles, the passenger seats can be folded or totally removed to gain additional cargo space for the driver. Plus to have the feeling of driving a car rather than a Tuk-Tuk was very important to us. That's why we chose to have a left or right hand drive design.
So many 3 wheelers seem to be appearing! Losing one wheel makes things so much more efficient
Love the manic grinning 👍🤓
It's actually larger than I thought
It has dimension of a Hijet/Himax as far as I look
But a bit shorter
Great job NetKargo, you made us proud
My dad had a converted A35 van back in the day, put seats in the back to escape car tax in the UK. Seems to me, as manufacturers are seemingly refusing to build decent affordable small electric cars, that maybe this is something that could have something similar done to it.. I don't like three wheelers especially but as a low speed city car, why not..
It reminds me of the first Reliant three wheel vans from the 1930s.
I love it, it's make sense, and every city should start adopting them. I'd love to see my Amazon packages delivered via one of these rather that at larger traditional van / car.
🤞🤞🤞
nice idea .. i used to work for a parcel company & our Edinburgh depot was in a business park about 20 miles out of the city centre ( funnily enough 3 of our competitors were in the same park .. mainly because anywhere closer to the centre was ridiculously expensive ) .. so i guess for this to work land prices will have to change
Great concept..
I remember going to Lanzarote and seeing that some restaurants used Renault Twizys for local deliveries. The resorts are maybe 5 miles long individually with low speed limits, and some places like Puerto Del Carmen have some really pokey side streets with little free parking so it seemed like a really good idea to use a tiny electric car. I'd see this sort of van serving a similar role. I doubt it would be much use in a big city like London, but in a town with narrow streets and so on it could be really useful. Not sure about the 3 wheels though especially for something with potentially unstable loads in the back.
Never have I wanted a van so much in my life...
Move over Citroen Ami (£6000-8000+ in the UK)
Seriously, how much would a privately-owned one cost?
Their website suggests a 10% saving over an equivalent van. That'd be something like a Nemo or Bipper. They sold for c.£13k, so sadly the Ami would still be cheaper.
Though I do agree that this looks much more fun and it makes a tonne of sense as a little runaround (especially if there was a window in the back)
The price of the Musoshi Mini is $15,500 ≈ £12,700. But large fleet orders will likely have scope for negotiation!
Looks great 🔌
Needs a couple of hooks on the back wall of the cab. A no-passenger seat option, maybe central steering? I'd also be concerned about frontal impact protection but looks nice and roomy in there. .
Makes perfect sense.
Needs a conveyor belt as the floor in the back so you can hit a button and roll the boxes at the front to the door, no more bending over. Also handy for packing, stack to the roof and push the button to roll it toward the front of the vehicle
Looks perfect for the intended usage.
Cargo bikes work in cities too! 👏
Given this is a three wheeler that means you can drive it with a motorbike licence in the UK. I'd rather be protected from the rain thanks :P
This is so cute. i would keep it as personal car so unique
Wonderful
I worked as a courier and this have all the right ticks
Nice video!
I still feel like all these boxy vehicles would do well to add some solar on the roof to supplement the battery
The weight penalty probably negates the advantage.
@@rogerstarkey5390 there are those smaller thinner panels, not as effective as the ones used on a house, but I still think there is a variety that could be useful on top of a vehicle
Not efficient enough.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Not to mention that in the dense urban environment that these are aimed at the vehicle will often be in shade.
@@rogerstarkey5390 sad truth but totally right :)
I'm already thinking about how I could modify it to a mini campervan. Thanks for explaining ingress LOL. Love this channel.
2:00 Hang on! It was LHD when you were driving it and now - same location - it's RHD.
Reminds me of the Cushman Truckster used by the NYPD for parking enforcement - I don't think you strictly need 3 wheels for maneuverability, just look stuff like Japanese Kei vans or the Daihatsu Midget. What it does do is sidestep a lot of "car" regulations in the EU and probably other places by being classed as a trike/motorcycle but not having the speed/weight restrictions of l7e class "heavy Quadricycles" but still drive able on a car license. It's an odd loophole, but a useful one, though to be honest the "loophole" shouldn't be a loophole in the first place and maybe we should ease up on the legal requirements for small four wheelers.
Great to hear the impact of new technologies to improve driver experience overall in our cities - easier driving, less tiring, comfortable, cleaner, easy to maintain, great agility and handling.
It is awesome. 👍👏
SO SHWEEEETTT...much love Tee with LIONS NAMED LEO.[the music worldwide}
and ooo sooo cool!!!!!
Reminds me of a 1950's milk float and they were a great success.
excellent idea... basically an electric APE/TukTuk & there is nothing wrong with that
Del boy would love it, providing he could tap into some free electric, no income tax, no vat.
I don’t like it, I LOVE it! So cute and capable 😍
Seems like an elegant solution for this specific use-case.
Awesome van
Fantastic solution for city deliveries, I would like a head support though.
Great show. Have you checked out Arcimoto, the Eugene, Oregon (US) based company and their three wheeled platform that has a “deliverator” version? It’s an Even smaller vehicle for highly localized deliveries.