idk if there’s another fanbase that loves a non-hof player as much as cardinals fans love david freese. he could shoot somebody and cardinals fans would be like “yeah but… game 6 tho”
such an important moment that fans voted him into the cardinals hall of fame almost entirely off that one game. he declined the honor, but I hope he changes his mind one day. he absolutely belongs there.
IDK if this is comment is meaning exclusive to league hof or includes team hof's, but us Giants fans feel the same way about Timmy. And I'm sure every team has their own guys they feel this way about. But I will never forget the 2010-2012 World Series run. I remember watching 2011 and thinking I would never see a more clutch World Series performance than Freese and then 3 years later we saw Bum against KC (but I am biased lol).
As a Dodgers fan, he's one of the only guys to produce for us in the 2018 and 2019 playoffs. I still remember how much of a difference he made in the one hole. I could only imagine what it feels like a Cards fan in 2011. The closest I can ever get to that is that the 2011 World Series got me into baseball and that walkoff homer from David Freese made me a life long fan of baseball.
As a Giants Fan, I always thought MadBum was a jerk..but 0MG did he rise to the occasion when it counted..in addition to 2014..he pitched 8 shutout innings in the 2010 series and 7 shutout innings in the 2012 series. .025 world series era
Might be the easiest top tier so far. Freese and Mad Bum were head and shoulders above the rest of the MVP's cause they looked beyond locked in during their moments
@@razdowerI do agree, but the Cardinals don't win the series without game 6 freese. Without that triple to take the game into extras and the home run in the 11th, they don't go on to win game 7. Lance berkmann would've been MVP in any other world series tho.
@@queenautumnween2796 true - timing is everything. Freese's game 6 was utterly heroic and I'm not trying to take away anything from his contribution. I'm a lifelong Cards fan and I lost my shit watching that game. Berkman tying it in the 10th was every bit as crucial as Freese in the 9th. Another 2 out, 2 strike hit with the season on the line.
Really? Freese wasn't "head and shoulders" above 2013 David Ortiz, who might have been the most locked-in hitter in postseason history. Freese's OPS of 1.160 was really good. Ortiz's World Series OPS was 1.948. He came to the plate 24 times in the series, and reached base 19 times. Ortiz was the top MVP, hands down.
@@mpc91 David freese was a lock for his iconic moments in that world series. The game tying triple and the wall off home run to send the series to game 7 are arguably some of the most iconic hits in world series history. Yes, great play helps a world series legacy and David Ortiz is great in the post season, but David freese had a more iconic moment which will live in world series lore forever. That's why it's a lock
@@trevorbrill8989the stat is supposed to signify how clutch the player was in that series. So pretty much a 92% cWPA means he was far and away the most important player in the series. They wouldn't have won the series with his performance
@@trevorbrill8989 stands for "championship win probability added". essentially saying that madbum by himself increased the giants' chance to win the world series by 95%.
MadBum 2014 will never be topped. The most elite world series performance ever. Coming in as a reliever in game 7 off two days rest to completely dominate is beyond badass
Randy Johnson 2001 would probably be someone to consider with that comment. Especially since Randy's appearance in Game 7 was with no rest, as he pitched the day before.
The Kansas City Royals vs The Madison Bumgarners. He absolutely carried that series. One point of contention: his career only dovetailed not after the World Series, but after he had maybe his best season in 2016, after which he had his infamous dirt bike incident before 2017 and he was never the same afterward.
Madison Bumgarner's ERA in 2014 World Series: 0.43 Every other Giants starter: 9.92 Even the one game SF won that he didn’t throw a pitch, they had to score 11 runs
Yep, he was still an ace for a few more years and even had another heroic postseason moment with a shutout against the Mets in the 2016 WC game. It was only after the "dirt bike" incident that he started to fade. He had a few injury-shortened years, but really his numbers in those seasons - and also in his last season in SF in 2019 - were still pretty good. He didn't REALLY fall off until he signed with Arizona.
That’s an extremely fun fact! But also let’s be honest here…are we really surprised the Angels haven’t/ don’t know how to capitalize on anything good for them?
Fun Hideki Matsui fact: He was actually in the movie "Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla," which released about a year before he made his debut with the Yankees. Gives his nickname more depth
Reducing Pablo's 3 HR World Series game to a "multi homer game" is so enraging lol Remember when Reggie Jackson had that "multi homer game" in Game 6 of the 1977 World Series? And who could forget Shohei Ohtani's "multi hit game" in Miami earlier this season?
Honestly I thought Zito should have been series MVP...that Tigers lineup was vicious...Zito not only dominated the Tigers hitters, he also had a clean rbi single off Verlander. He took the wind right out of Detroits sails...the offense never really got back on track..getting shut out in games 2 and 3 and never having a lead till the 3rd or 4th inning of game 4
As a Blue Jays fan... we are NEVER living this one down...NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER... thank god we got a few good years out of Santiago Espinal if he had been worthless I would have to disavow the team for giving a rival the World Series on a silver platter. Like he wasn't the best hitter on that team by a mile but he just had a clutch gene that randomly would activate out of nowhere. the guy had walk off homeruns twice in 3 days the year before.
Yeah Pearce would have been the teams power hitter had he not have been a terrible athlete with weight issues and was the backup to Mitch Moreland the entire regular seasn
The 2022 WS MVP probably should've gone to Ryan Pressly, but imo the bullpen unit as a whole should be MVP. Pressly, Neris, Abreu, Montero ate up a bulk of the bullpen innings and gave up 1 ER combined (a solo shot in garbage time of Game 2)
I also think Framber Valdez should have gotten consideration. He allowed just 2 ERs and struck out 18 in 12.1 IP. His Game 2 win was a big turning point and his game 6 performance helped clinch the series.
How do you groove a first pitch Fastball to Ohtani, get away with it, and then your next pitch is a little league fastball, hand delivered into Freddy’s hot zone? ….. I’m sorry, what were we talking about?
Oh come on, Pablo Sandoval near single-handedly won game 1. Also, Hamels had one of the most dominant playoff runs I've ever seen from someone not named MadBum in 2008
The 2016 Cubs WAS so damn good. (Obviously non-biased coming from a Cubs fan here) and as good as Zobrist was (totally deserving of the MVP), there are probably 6 guys on that team that could’ve deserved the MVP title. 2016 was so fun to watch.
I know this isn’t the requirement but Ortiz had by far the best World Series performance for an offensive player. Only player close during that time was bonds in 02 and there were talks about him being the first ever to win it on a losing team
I hate to be that guy lol, but Bonds actually wouldn’t have been the first WS MVP from the losing team. Bobby Richardson won it for NYY in 1960, even though they lost the WS to the Pirates on Maz’s walk-off HR in G7. The rules at the time meant the writers had to vote for MVP in like the eighth inning (I think) of G7, and the Yanks were ahead at the time. (Fun fact: Richardson actually set the WS record with 12 RBI despite losing the series, a tally that had never been tied until just a few days ago when Freddie Freeman hit the mark-in just 5 games too!) Your point still stands though-if any other player from the losing team could’ve won WS MVP, it would have been ‘02 Bonds.
Freddie undoubtedly should go in Most Valuable MVP. 100%. Definitely would have been better if it went to at least Game 6, but what he did in all 5 games is nothing short of dominant and incredible
@@primatav5746 Freddie should definitely be in the "They lose the WS without him" tier. The Dodgers lose game 1 without Freddie's walkoff grand slam, and the Dodgers probably lose game 5 too even after the Yankees' 5th inning without Freddie's 2-run single (they did win that game by only 1 run), at which point it's 3-2 Yankees while the Dodgers' pitching is in dire straits, Ohtani is injured, and Judge is snapping out of his slump. Also without Freddie's 2-run HR in game 3, that game goes into extra innings and perhaps the Yankees end up outright winning in 5 games instead. People forget how close that series actually was because the Yankees went down 0-3 and their infamous 5th inning defensive meltdown in game 5 overshadows everything else in that series.
How's the guy going to be Most Valuable MVP when his team won in 5 after getting out to a 3-0 lead? All the things you're saying are true...but it was a gentleman's sweep. And really, who was really more valuable for the Dodgers in Game 1 - Freeman for hitting the homer, the Yankee defense for allowing Ohtani to get to 3rd in the 9th inning, or Aaron Boone for choosing a starter who hadn't pitched in a month over a reliever who had been effective?
@@OmegaTyrant As great as he was, it feels more like "Would be better if the team wasn't so good" or "Would be better if it were a closer series." I don't see how we can say "they wouldn't have won without him" when the series only lasted 5 games.
@@camicawber As I pointed out, Freddie was the difference in games 1, 3, and 5; the Dodgers outright lose games 1 and 5 without the runs that Freddie hit in, and game 3 goes into extras without his HR. The series looks completely different without him.
Great video, but I disagree with the zobrist take. You said it yourself sometimes it comes down to who has the biggest moment. In a series that goes 7 and also extra innings, they literally might lose without him.
I think the idea of just the two at the top is fine, but Ortiz absolutely should have been up there for 2013... it might be the greatest offensive series ever
I think if the Dodgers win this year, Freddie Freeman will be remembered for that Game 1, Walk-Off Grand Slam. So far, he is setting himself up to be the Dodgers World Series MVP.
The neat thing about Pena is he was amazing the whole playoffs. He goes clutch game 1 of DS on the final out works a walk after a billion pitches to bring Yordon up to walk off. Then he homers in the top of the 18th inning. Then Goes on to when the ALCS MVP and then the WS MVP. All as a rookie. Also I believe the only player ever with all three of those : a GG, a ALCS MVP, and a WS MVP.
Where up puttin freeman from this year? I'm torn because he could have earned it more in a longer series, but was also a big reason the series was only 5 games
Ortiz’s numbers would have been better if Carlos Beltran doesn’t make a fantastic catch to rob him of a Grand Slam. The effort to make that catch took Beltran out of the game too, so even when Ortiz was making outs, they were helping the Red Sox win.
Madison Bumgarner is a swear word in Kansas City. That goes for Bumgarner, MadBum, That Giants Pitcher in 2014, and all variations. If they hadn’t won in 2015…I don’t even want to think about that
I'm also not a fan of co-mvp, but I would have been okay if they split the honors between Zobrist and Schwarber in 2016. I think Schwarber deserved it more than stats alone do justice. Not being able to play the 3 games at Wrigley hurt him more than anything else, yet he still managed a 4/5/4 slash on 1.5 legs and 5 regular season PAs.
Joe Buck having his mouth firmly pressed to Kyle Schwarber’s butt cheek probably didn’t help him. Absolutely everyone was sick of his commentary about Schwarber, to the point Cleveland TV stations were mocking Buck for his love of Schwarber.
@EonArashi Valid. I guess I did watch all those games with the radio broadcast in my ear lol, so I'll never know what that was like from a non-fan perspective. I personally never had a huge problem with Joe Buck but do understood the criticisms toward him. I don't think it's my bias saying that what Schwarber did, as a 23 year old, was truly remarkable. Could be tho
@@trevormacek8556 I think Schwarber might have gotten it if Zobrist hadn’t gotten that final hit. But combined with his performance in the rest of the series, he was the obvious choice. Schwarber was a definite factor and the clear #2 in that line.
I think Hamels winning the MVP was more of a culmination of his entire postseason. He was pretty much lights out except his start against Colorado. I also think the team fed off the fact that they felt no matter what, when he pitched they were going to win. But I do agree that in those 5 WS games, Howard was the driving force offensively
As a Cubs fan, I was surprised when they didn't give it to Kyle Schwarber. He came back triumphantly after missing nearly the entire season and postseason because of a serious injury. He healed, he rehabbed, and he delivered like he had never left. Also, as exciting as that 10th-inning go-ahead double from Zobrist was, so many people forget that his was not the ultimate winning RBI. Miguel Montero had a single that plated Anthony Rizzo for the 8th run, which ended up being the difference between a championship and an 11th inning.
I am an Astros fan and I can tell you that no one benefitted more from what was happening than George Springer. His drop off in production in a BlueJay uniform also confirms his stats in Houston were elevated.
Jermaine Dye once hit a ball so hard down the left field line at the Oakland Coliseum it one hopped the bullpen mound sailed between the two heads in front of me, ricocheted off my hip and landed in the next section. Literally had just taken off my glove that pitch to eat hot dogs my Dad brought back. Would have caught that ball for my first foul ball. Was the day after 03 Detroit actually won a game. Way cooler than getting a ball from career 5.4 WAR player Chad Tracy
ok jolly i really enjoy all these videos, it's really fun to reminisce + learn about big classic moments and people, if you put it on ur second channel or something id still def watch!
Then 2 seconds later proceeds to say eckstein had the biggest hit of the series and rbi double lol jolly either not proof reading or that got passed multiple sets of eyes
Hideki was already a full time DH so he only played 3 games as a starter. And still he had 8 RBI, the most on this list, and 3 HR, tied for 2nd on this list is crazy.
Mad Bum had the greatest combined single world series performance in history. What he did in that world series overall will never ever be topped. I still hate the Giants though. Go Angels.
For Zobrist, I think it’s “they don’t win without him” because every player on that team was so important and had crucial moments, especially him. They simply don’t win without him, but also not without Arrieta, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Baez, Ross, etc
@@Hage35saw a video of a pitcher spitting on the ball and it went unpunished. Cheating is a part of life and only infants believe it shouldn't happen.
@12.20 … top 10 plays of the 2002 World Series doesn’t include the game 6 Scott Spiezo homer … facing elimination down 5-0 in the 7th and hitting a three run homer? … what?
No mention that Jeremy Pena was a rookie when he won WS MVP?! I do think though that the only reason he was named MVP, was mostly for what he did to get them to the WS.
While I do agree that Pena was amazing that postseason as a whole, that's also kind of the point of him winning MVP in the World Series. Once things hit October, Pena was in another galaxy the way he played. That just happened to carry into the World Series. Which, as we've seen with some players, doesn't happen.
Man watching this and realizing I was spoiled as a child first World Series I remember watching was 01 dbacks end the Yanks dynasty 02 angels rally monkey deny bonds his shot at a World Series ring 04 Red Sox break the curse and also come back from 3-0 series deficit in Alcs to yanks hell 03 alcs Boone with that walkoff 05 white Sox drought ends crazy how many memories from those days stick with you what a time to be a baseball fan growing up
Jolly, I love your videos. Can you do a tier video for final plays of the world series? Selfishly I'd like you to go back to 92 just because I'm a Jays fan but if you wanna stick to the 2000s I'm cool
15:45 I have to take issue with this. Whether you are talking about a career or a single World Series, Bumgarner is up there but is not even the greatest GIants postseason pitcher of all time. Christy Mathewson had 3 shutouts in six days to win the 1905 World Series. Rivera and Bob Gibson are up there too. Gibson had a 7-2 record and 1.89 ERA in 9 starts with 81 IP and 92 Ks. Plus, he added 2 HRs in there.
Nah man, Hamels should have been up in the "would lose the world series without him" or "would be better with a close series". Although I think most people forget just how dominant Hamels was in the 08 playoffs. Remember he won NLCS mvp also. But in 08 when the Phillies won everybody knew that Hamels was going win.
As good as Beckett was, he only had a hand in 1 of the 4 wins. I know the Game 2 loss wasn't his fault. But they won 3 games without Beckett. It's not just comparing the teams they beat, but they teams they played on. That 2014 Giants team was running on fumes and had a starting rotation that, aside from Bumgarner, didn't resemble the 2010 and 2012 teams.
The problem with the 2006 world series, is that Eckstein shouldn't have even been consider... Molina was absolutely the clear MVP, and Rolen also deserves props. But Eckstein wins it because of one hit. It's a five game series, basing it upon a clutch hit in one game was a bit silly, instead of basing it upon overall series performance. I'm fine if the series is 6 or 7 games and there is clutch going on, but ultimately in a five game series, the team is stomping the other team, give the MVP to the guy doing the majority of that work.
That Arizona Closer cost Schilling a win in Game 4 or 5. Schilling and Randy definitely deserved it. That starting pitching staff was trash without those guys.
Absolutely insane that bonds with 8 hits, 4 homers, 2 doubles and 13 walks doesn’t even get a mention in this video. He had an absolutely Goliath .700 obp for the series the second place effort (because obviously that’s a record) is David Ortiz with a .576 in 2004. Berry bonds with THIRTEEN walks had just as many total bases as Troy Glaus (22), 22 total bases is tied for #10 overall with bonds in a single World Series in total bases… except he also had 13 walks… I’m too lazy to do it but if you added walks to total bases surely bonds had the most overall “bases” of any World Series… ever. George springer had 29 bases + 5 walks, that puts him at 34 bases. Bonds had 22 + 13, that puts him at 35 bases. Crazy no one remembers the dominance of bonds this year.
idk if there’s another fanbase that loves a non-hof player as much as cardinals fans love david freese. he could shoot somebody and cardinals fans would be like “yeah but… game 6 tho”
such an important moment that fans voted him into the cardinals hall of fame almost entirely off that one game. he declined the honor, but I hope he changes his mind one day. he absolutely belongs there.
@@basilaplant Cardinals hof'ers are required to go to a lot of events and games. I understand him not wanting to go to all of those. 😂
IDK if this is comment is meaning exclusive to league hof or includes team hof's, but us Giants fans feel the same way about Timmy. And I'm sure every team has their own guys they feel this way about. But I will never forget the 2010-2012 World Series run. I remember watching 2011 and thinking I would never see a more clutch World Series performance than Freese and then 3 years later we saw Bum against KC (but I am biased lol).
I know that Dave Roberts hasn’t had to pay for a drink in Boston since 2004. That stolen base was the momentum shifter to end all momentum shifters
As a Dodgers fan, he's one of the only guys to produce for us in the 2018 and 2019 playoffs. I still remember how much of a difference he made in the one hole. I could only imagine what it feels like a Cards fan in 2011. The closest I can ever get to that is that the 2011 World Series got me into baseball and that walkoff homer from David Freese made me a life long fan of baseball.
The Giants non-Bumgarner starters in that 2014 World Series: 9.92 ERA
Even the one game SF won that he didn’t throw a pitch, they had to score 11 runs
As a Giants Fan, I always thought MadBum was a jerk..but 0MG did he rise to the occasion when it counted..in addition to 2014..he pitched 8 shutout innings in the 2010 series and 7 shutout innings in the 2012 series. .025 world series era
Might be the easiest top tier so far. Freese and Mad Bum were head and shoulders above the rest of the MVP's cause they looked beyond locked in during their moments
Berkman's slash in 2011 was 423/516/577 with .517 cWPA. Freese gets the glory but Berkman was a STUD in 2011
@@razdowerI do agree, but the Cardinals don't win the series without game 6 freese. Without that triple to take the game into extras and the home run in the 11th, they don't go on to win game 7. Lance berkmann would've been MVP in any other world series tho.
@@queenautumnween2796 true - timing is everything. Freese's game 6 was utterly heroic and I'm not trying to take away anything from his contribution. I'm a lifelong Cards fan and I lost my shit watching that game. Berkman tying it in the 10th was every bit as crucial as Freese in the 9th. Another 2 out, 2 strike hit with the season on the line.
Really? Freese wasn't "head and shoulders" above 2013 David Ortiz, who might have been the most locked-in hitter in postseason history. Freese's OPS of 1.160 was really good.
Ortiz's World Series OPS was 1.948. He came to the plate 24 times in the series, and reached base 19 times.
Ortiz was the top MVP, hands down.
@@mpc91 David freese was a lock for his iconic moments in that world series. The game tying triple and the wall off home run to send the series to game 7 are arguably some of the most iconic hits in world series history. Yes, great play helps a world series legacy and David Ortiz is great in the post season, but David freese had a more iconic moment which will live in world series lore forever. That's why it's a lock
MadBum with 92% cWPA in 2014 is insane
I’m a die hard Giant fan and Mad-bum was so elite but what does this stat mean?
@@trevorbrill8989the stat is supposed to signify how clutch the player was in that series. So pretty much a 92% cWPA means he was far and away the most important player in the series. They wouldn't have won the series with his performance
@@trevorbrill8989 stands for "championship win probability added". essentially saying that madbum by himself increased the giants' chance to win the world series by 95%.
MadBum 2014 will never be topped. The most elite world series performance ever. Coming in as a reliever in game 7 off two days rest to completely dominate is beyond badass
Randy Johnson 2001 would probably be someone to consider with that comment. Especially since Randy's appearance in Game 7 was with no rest, as he pitched the day before.
The Kansas City Royals vs The Madison Bumgarners. He absolutely carried that series.
One point of contention: his career only dovetailed not after the World Series, but after he had maybe his best season in 2016, after which he had his infamous dirt bike incident before 2017 and he was never the same afterward.
Madison Bumgarner's ERA in 2014 World Series: 0.43
Every other Giants starter: 9.92
Even the one game SF won that he didn’t throw a pitch, they had to score 11 runs
The Jake Arrieta HR off Madbum in the DS started his decline
I still wonder if that reported "dirt bike accident" was actually a rodeo accident they didn't want to report, because oh yeah, he was doing that too.
@@ianwestc 👀
Yep, he was still an ace for a few more years and even had another heroic postseason moment with a shutout against the Mets in the 2016 WC game. It was only after the "dirt bike" incident that he started to fade. He had a few injury-shortened years, but really his numbers in those seasons - and also in his last season in SF in 2019 - were still pretty good. He didn't REALLY fall off until he signed with Arizona.
David Ecksteins's wife is the voice of the animated Ahsoka Tano.
Im surprised the Angels haven't capitalized on that for Star Wars night.
That’s an extremely fun fact! But also let’s be honest here…are we really surprised the Angels haven’t/ don’t know how to capitalize on anything good for them?
@@degzz94 should have resold back to Disney before Ohtani left lol
This made me irrationally happy
Fun Hideki Matsui fact: He was actually in the movie "Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla," which released about a year before he made his debut with the Yankees. Gives his nickname more depth
Reducing Pablo's 3 HR World Series game to a "multi homer game" is so enraging lol
Remember when Reggie Jackson had that "multi homer game" in Game 6 of the 1977 World Series? And who could forget Shohei Ohtani's "multi hit game" in Miami earlier this season?
Everyone had verlander dominating us beforehand, so that “multi-home run” set the tone for the series the giants way
Honestly I thought Zito should have been series MVP...that Tigers lineup was vicious...Zito not only dominated the Tigers hitters, he also had a clean rbi single off Verlander. He took the wind right out of Detroits sails...the offense never really got back on track..getting shut out in games 2 and 3 and never having a lead till the 3rd or 4th inning of game 4
It was also the most memorable thing about that series so by default how could it be in "forgot he won it" category
People forget that Hideki Matsui was the DH in 2009 and only played in the 3 games in New York, he was unbelievable
He also pinch hit in the Philly games: Home Run in G3 + Single in G5
@@jack3355-o2g People who didn't watch the game wouldn't know. I remember the pinch hit homer.
Steve Pearce winning World Series MVP on that stacked Red Sox team is crazy
That’s like if Hawkeye was the avenger to kill thanos or something
Dude had an insane series
As a Blue Jays fan... we are NEVER living this one down...NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER... thank god we got a few good years out of Santiago Espinal if he had been worthless I would have to disavow the team for giving a rival the World Series on a silver platter.
Like he wasn't the best hitter on that team by a mile but he just had a clutch gene that randomly would activate out of nowhere. the guy had walk off homeruns twice in 3 days the year before.
Yeah Pearce would have been the teams power hitter had he not have been a terrible athlete with weight issues and was the backup to Mitch Moreland the entire regular seasn
@PaggiPazzo-so4ku or the fact that he got traded there in July
Ortiz in my heart is the top playoff performer. His 2013 WS performance was nuts. Big Papi will be in my top tier.
The 2022 WS MVP probably should've gone to Ryan Pressly, but imo the bullpen unit as a whole should be MVP. Pressly, Neris, Abreu, Montero ate up a bulk of the bullpen innings and gave up 1 ER combined (a solo shot in garbage time of Game 2)
I also think Framber Valdez should have gotten consideration. He allowed just 2 ERs and struck out 18 in 12.1 IP. His Game 2 win was a big turning point and his game 6 performance helped clinch the series.
How do you groove a first pitch Fastball to Ohtani, get away with it, and then your next pitch is a little league fastball, hand delivered into Freddy’s hot zone? ….. I’m sorry, what were we talking about?
Oh come on, Pablo Sandoval near single-handedly won game 1. Also, Hamels had one of the most dominant playoff runs I've ever seen from someone not named MadBum in 2008
I think when you said no XBH for Eckstein you meant no homers prob? Cus right after you mention the double he hit lol
The 2016 Cubs WAS so damn good. (Obviously non-biased coming from a Cubs fan here) and as good as Zobrist was (totally deserving of the MVP), there are probably 6 guys on that team that could’ve deserved the MVP title. 2016 was so fun to watch.
Aw who could forget Boston pitcher Derek Lau! So much better than Derek Lowe
Almost as good as his dad, Charley Lau!
I know this isn’t the requirement but Ortiz had by far the best World Series performance for an offensive player. Only player close during that time was bonds in 02 and there were talks about him being the first ever to win it on a losing team
I hate to be that guy lol, but Bonds actually wouldn’t have been the first WS MVP from the losing team. Bobby Richardson won it for NYY in 1960, even though they lost the WS to the Pirates on Maz’s walk-off HR in G7. The rules at the time meant the writers had to vote for MVP in like the eighth inning (I think) of G7, and the Yanks were ahead at the time. (Fun fact: Richardson actually set the WS record with 12 RBI despite losing the series, a tally that had never been tied until just a few days ago when Freddie Freeman hit the mark-in just 5 games too!)
Your point still stands though-if any other player from the losing team could’ve won WS MVP, it would have been ‘02 Bonds.
Stats wise Mad Bum best reg season year was 2015. So his 2014 WS efforts didnt impact his next year.❤
Ortiz 2013 was ridiculous. Essentially won the WS by himself. (Not literally of course, but you know what I mean.)
Freddie undoubtedly should go in Most Valuable MVP. 100%. Definitely would have been better if it went to at least Game 6, but what he did in all 5 games is nothing short of dominant and incredible
I would lean 4th tier but i could hear a shout for 3rd tier
@@primatav5746 Freddie should definitely be in the "They lose the WS without him" tier. The Dodgers lose game 1 without Freddie's walkoff grand slam, and the Dodgers probably lose game 5 too even after the Yankees' 5th inning without Freddie's 2-run single (they did win that game by only 1 run), at which point it's 3-2 Yankees while the Dodgers' pitching is in dire straits, Ohtani is injured, and Judge is snapping out of his slump. Also without Freddie's 2-run HR in game 3, that game goes into extra innings and perhaps the Yankees end up outright winning in 5 games instead. People forget how close that series actually was because the Yankees went down 0-3 and their infamous 5th inning defensive meltdown in game 5 overshadows everything else in that series.
How's the guy going to be Most Valuable MVP when his team won in 5 after getting out to a 3-0 lead? All the things you're saying are true...but it was a gentleman's sweep. And really, who was really more valuable for the Dodgers in Game 1 - Freeman for hitting the homer, the Yankee defense for allowing Ohtani to get to 3rd in the 9th inning, or Aaron Boone for choosing a starter who hadn't pitched in a month over a reliever who had been effective?
@@OmegaTyrant As great as he was, it feels more like "Would be better if the team wasn't so good" or "Would be better if it were a closer series." I don't see how we can say "they wouldn't have won without him" when the series only lasted 5 games.
@@camicawber As I pointed out, Freddie was the difference in games 1, 3, and 5; the Dodgers outright lose games 1 and 5 without the runs that Freddie hit in, and game 3 goes into extras without his HR. The series looks completely different without him.
Great video, but I disagree with the zobrist take. You said it yourself sometimes it comes down to who has the biggest moment. In a series that goes 7 and also extra innings, they literally might lose without him.
100% agree
Zobrist and Springer both belong in that category.
Though Game 7 wouldn't have been close if Maddon hadn't been making panic moves with pitching changes. He nearly gave the series away.
Now do Freddie! 4 homers. 12 RBIs.
Amazingly the video came out before ...bit thick
@ hence the comment. Time for an update.
Would prolly fall down in the 4th tier or 3rd at best
I love this series. It's cool seeing you in a more relaxed setting. It lets your personality shine
I think the ranking is good but panda's WS MVP was extremely memorable
I think the idea of just the two at the top is fine, but Ortiz absolutely should have been up there for 2013... it might be the greatest offensive series ever
2009 Hideki had more RBI and higher OPS than 2013 Papi
The David Eckstein disrespect will not be tolerated
Mid
Cool it with antisemitism bro
@@camsilva7021big part of 2 world series winner. If that's mid, I'll take it.
I think if the Dodgers win this year, Freddie Freeman will be remembered for that Game 1, Walk-Off Grand Slam. So far, he is setting himself up to be the Dodgers World Series MVP.
The neat thing about Pena is he was amazing the whole playoffs.
He goes clutch game 1 of DS on the final out works a walk after a billion pitches to bring Yordon up to walk off. Then he homers in the top of the 18th inning.
Then Goes on to when the ALCS MVP and then the WS MVP. All as a rookie. Also I believe the only player ever with all three of those : a GG, a ALCS MVP, and a WS MVP.
On top of those accomplishments, he was also the first rookie SS to homer in a World Series game
Pena's best moment in the WS was getting on base so Yordan could turn the game upside down
Where up puttin freeman from this year? I'm torn because he could have earned it more in a longer series, but was also a big reason the series was only 5 games
Watching Excited Tangerine grow up has been awesome.
Ortiz’s numbers would have been better if Carlos Beltran doesn’t make a fantastic catch to rob him of a Grand Slam. The effort to make that catch took Beltran out of the game too, so even when Ortiz was making outs, they were helping the Red Sox win.
Madison Bumgarner is a swear word in Kansas City. That goes for Bumgarner, MadBum, That Giants Pitcher in 2014, and all variations. If they hadn’t won in 2015…I don’t even want to think about that
weve reached the period in time where even baseball people are too young to know how to pronounce Derek Lowe (LOW)
Freddie this year would be better with a close series
Good call on the Sandoval, his stats were too good
Why does he keep saying Jorge soler hit the big home run in the first inning, it was the 3rd
I'm also not a fan of co-mvp, but I would have been okay if they split the honors between Zobrist and Schwarber in 2016. I think Schwarber deserved it more than stats alone do justice. Not being able to play the 3 games at Wrigley hurt him more than anything else, yet he still managed a 4/5/4 slash on 1.5 legs and 5 regular season PAs.
Joe Buck having his mouth firmly pressed to Kyle Schwarber’s butt cheek probably didn’t help him. Absolutely everyone was sick of his commentary about Schwarber, to the point Cleveland TV stations were mocking Buck for his love of Schwarber.
@EonArashi Valid. I guess I did watch all those games with the radio broadcast in my ear lol, so I'll never know what that was like from a non-fan perspective. I personally never had a huge problem with Joe Buck but do understood the criticisms toward him. I don't think it's my bias saying that what Schwarber did, as a 23 year old, was truly remarkable. Could be tho
@@trevormacek8556 I think Schwarber might have gotten it if Zobrist hadn’t gotten that final hit. But combined with his performance in the rest of the series, he was the obvious choice. Schwarber was a definite factor and the clear #2 in that line.
I think Hamels winning the MVP was more of a culmination of his entire postseason. He was pretty much lights out except his start against Colorado. I also think the team fed off the fact that they felt no matter what, when he pitched they were going to win. But I do agree that in those 5 WS games, Howard was the driving force offensively
As someone who always gushes about Lester’s 2013, I would love to see a video about the best World Series performances to not win MVP
Papi's 2013 has to be Most Valuble MVP. look at everyone elses numbers
Jeremy Affeldt pitched 2.1 innings in game 7 of the 2014 World Series after Hudson exited in the second inning.
that doesnt matter lol
As a Cubs fan, I was surprised when they didn't give it to Kyle Schwarber. He came back triumphantly after missing nearly the entire season and postseason because of a serious injury. He healed, he rehabbed, and he delivered like he had never left. Also, as exciting as that 10th-inning go-ahead double from Zobrist was, so many people forget that his was not the ultimate winning RBI. Miguel Montero had a single that plated Anthony Rizzo for the 8th run, which ended up being the difference between a championship and an 11th inning.
I am an Astros fan and I can tell you that no one benefitted more from what was happening than George Springer. His drop off in production in a BlueJay uniform also confirms his stats in Houston were elevated.
Jermaine Dye once hit a ball so hard down the left field line at the Oakland Coliseum it one hopped the bullpen mound sailed between the two heads in front of me, ricocheted off my hip and landed in the next section. Literally had just taken off my glove that pitch to eat hot dogs my Dad brought back. Would have caught that ball for my first foul ball. Was the day after 03 Detroit actually won a game. Way cooler than getting a ball from career 5.4 WAR player Chad Tracy
ok jolly i really enjoy all these videos, it's really fun to reminisce + learn about big classic moments and people, if you put it on ur second channel or something id still def watch!
2:49 This man said David Eckstein got no extra base hits when it clearly says 3 doubles. I guess it's only an extra base hit if it goes over the wall.
Then 2 seconds later proceeds to say eckstein had the biggest hit of the series and rbi double lol jolly either not proof reading or that got passed multiple sets of eyes
Bro misspoke. Chill out
Hideki was already a full time DH so he only played 3 games as a starter. And still he had 8 RBI, the most on this list, and 3 HR, tied for 2nd on this list is crazy.
"He didn't even let the series get back to LA."
It was a home run that Pearce hit... at Dodger Stadium.
So we’re all in agreement Freddie in 2024 is the top spot if jolly does this list again.
it seems like olive only puts guys that had fantastic series *and* went to game 7s in the top tier, so freddie will almost certainly be in tier 2
not all lol, 1.300 OPS and 29% CWPA in a 5 gentleman's is probably 2nd tier off the legendary moment in game 1 and the injury.
It went 5 games… 3rd tier if generous
Mad Bum had the greatest combined single world series performance in history. What he did in that world series overall will never ever be topped. I still hate the Giants though. Go Angels.
2001 D Backs were straight up Spahn, Sain, and pray for rain.
David Ortiz with a .760 On Base Percentage is insane. Over 3/4 of the time he got on base. That is an unreal 6 game stretch.
For Zobrist, I think it’s “they don’t win without him” because every player on that team was so important and had crucial moments, especially him. They simply don’t win without him, but also not without Arrieta, Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarber, Baez, Ross, etc
Great content Jolly
George Springer really should be in the second tier. The Astros don't win Game 2 and game 5 without him.
freddie gotta be up there
Illegal sign stealing was a LEAGUE-WIDE scandal, it was not just the Astros
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Fact.
@@Hage35Lots of teams accused of cheating, even current or forner MLB players point out that the Astros weren't the only teams cheating
@@Hage35saw a video of a pitcher spitting on the ball and it went unpunished. Cheating is a part of life and only infants believe it shouldn't happen.
And it was only Home games. Springer batted .378 3 Hr, 6 RBI Away and .200 3 Hr, 3 RBI Home.
@12.20 … top 10 plays of the 2002 World Series doesn’t include the game 6 Scott Spiezo homer … facing elimination down 5-0 in the 7th and hitting a three run homer? … what?
WPA is win probability added not win percentage
Loving the tier lists jolly keep doing these 😂
No mention that Jeremy Pena was a rookie when he won WS MVP?! I do think though that the only reason he was named MVP, was mostly for what he did to get them to the WS.
While I do agree that Pena was amazing that postseason as a whole, that's also kind of the point of him winning MVP in the World Series. Once things hit October, Pena was in another galaxy the way he played. That just happened to carry into the World Series. Which, as we've seen with some players, doesn't happen.
@@PlasmawarriorToo bad he's been shit in the postseason ever since tho...
@@bryson1482 Can't argue with you on that one. But at least he's still an elite defender.
Edgar Renteria. A MLB '05 Stud! Especially with that batting stance 💪
Man watching this and realizing I was spoiled as a child first World Series I remember watching was 01 dbacks end the Yanks dynasty 02 angels rally monkey deny bonds his shot at a World Series ring 04 Red Sox break the curse and also come back from 3-0 series deficit in Alcs to yanks hell 03 alcs Boone with that walkoff 05 white Sox drought ends crazy how many memories from those days stick with you what a time to be a baseball fan growing up
In honor of the Yankees choking game 5, can you do a worst chokes tier list??
Freddie freemen is definitely MVP this World Series 💯
Before the I started the video I knew where jolly was putting hamels. Respect the Mets bias
Given that I spent a minute scrubbing the video looking for Podsednik, I second your Jermaine Dye placement.....
I wish kershaw won 2020 mvp he deserved it
Jolly, I love your videos. Can you do a tier video for final plays of the world series? Selfishly I'd like you to go back to 92 just because I'm a Jays fan but if you wanna stick to the 2000s I'm cool
Unless I didn't see, would you mind posting a link to these tier lists? I have some friends who would love to do these as well!
You'd think Konerko should have won WSMVP in 05 since he was like THE GUY for that team anyway. Plus the pivotal HR
You think of David Freese on the batting side? Do you really? Or do you think David Ortiz?
Curious as to where you'd put Freeman on this list now
clicked on this video for David Freese, glad he gets respect here, my goat
15:45 I have to take issue with this. Whether you are talking about a career or a single World Series, Bumgarner is up there but is not even the greatest GIants postseason pitcher of all time. Christy Mathewson had 3 shutouts in six days to win the 1905 World Series. Rivera and Bob Gibson are up there too. Gibson had a 7-2 record and 1.89 ERA in 9 starts with 81 IP and 92 Ks. Plus, he added 2 HRs in there.
1905 world series lmao; yeah cause he was throwing to janitors and milkmen for a living
It's really difficult to compare baseball played in the old days with baseball today. It's almost a different game.
Nah man, Hamels should have been up in the "would lose the world series without him" or "would be better with a close series". Although I think most people forget just how dominant Hamels was in the 08 playoffs. Remember he won NLCS mvp also. But in 08 when the Phillies won everybody knew that Hamels was going win.
You have to forgive the ignorant Mets fan, lol
matsui deserves a top spot
11:29 Not even mentioning Jayson Werth's performance ?
The Joe Crede erasure is wild.
Jolly says "All Time" a lot when the cut off it 2000. Check out Jack Morris' ws history the OG Bumgarner
Dude does this all the time. Baseball history began when he was born.
10 inning shutout. Would love to see that today, but you would throw more than 90 pitches.
Josh Beckett should be on the most valuable MVP. That 2003 Yankees teams was way better than the 2014 Royals.
As good as Beckett was, he only had a hand in 1 of the 4 wins. I know the Game 2 loss wasn't his fault. But they won 3 games without Beckett. It's not just comparing the teams they beat, but they teams they played on. That 2014 Giants team was running on fumes and had a starting rotation that, aside from Bumgarner, didn't resemble the 2010 and 2012 teams.
Beckett pitched in Game 3
@@chrisuncleahmad666 My mistake. Though the rest of the point holds. While he pitched well, they lost that game too. They won 3 games without him.
Ah yes
The only positive Giants content.
Thank you Jolly
2008 should have gone to Carlos Ruiz and I will die on this hill
Wait what do you mean David Eckstein had no extra base it’s but he had an RBI double. That’s an extra base hit
David Freese lurking on this list for the entire time
The problem with the 2006 world series, is that Eckstein shouldn't have even been consider... Molina was absolutely the clear MVP, and Rolen also deserves props. But Eckstein wins it because of one hit. It's a five game series, basing it upon a clutch hit in one game was a bit silly, instead of basing it upon overall series performance. I'm fine if the series is 6 or 7 games and there is clutch going on, but ultimately in a five game series, the team is stomping the other team, give the MVP to the guy doing the majority of that work.
teir list o'clock is my fav time of day!
That Arizona Closer cost Schilling a win in Game 4 or 5. Schilling and Randy definitely deserved it. That starting pitching staff was trash without those guys.
Absolutely insane that bonds with 8 hits, 4 homers, 2 doubles and 13 walks doesn’t even get a mention in this video. He had an absolutely Goliath .700 obp for the series the second place effort (because obviously that’s a record) is David Ortiz with a .576 in 2004.
Berry bonds with THIRTEEN walks had just as many total bases as Troy Glaus (22), 22 total bases is tied for #10 overall with bonds in a single World Series in total bases… except he also had 13 walks… I’m too lazy to do it but if you added walks to total bases surely bonds had the most overall “bases” of any World Series… ever. George springer had 29 bases + 5 walks, that puts him at 34 bases. Bonds had 22 + 13, that puts him at 35 bases.
Crazy no one remembers the dominance of bonds this year.
Love these videos, a good name for the lowest tier in this list would've been "someone has to win mvp, right?"
The final standings for the 2014 WS weren't Giants 4 - Royals 3. They were Giants 1 - Royals 3 - MadBum 3
Derek LAO?!?!?! You take the butchering of that man’s name back!
Would you look at the time, Mets aren't in the world series again
the back to back tigers losses in the vid hurts
This feels accurate.
Next do the NLCS and ALCS MVPS
Save MadBum, Royals win the 2014 series too, along with 2015