It is way past time for an update on the tiltup trailer progress. A little recent history first. Early in 2022 Drew and I started talking about the trailer as seen in the two videos on Playing With Sticks' RUclips channel. In mid-June 2022, I had the first drawing of the exterior finished. The actual build started a month later. It went slowly. We shared the ideas and build process in that first video to see what the folks thought. The response was a little overwhelming to me. A year after the build started it is very close to ready to pull. We will do some test pulling before finish work starts. Better to see any problems that might exist. Then a lot of smoothing and painting. There are many significant changes since the last video. Nice curved line on the roof tilt up instead of the straight line I started with. Wheels moved inboard so no fenders. Instead, we have wheel skirts All for the good. Then I went to get it registered. It had been a few years since I registered a trailer in Texas and the rules have changed. Bottom line is that I cannot register this trailer as a home built or “hobby built” in Texas. That was my plan for the first trailers. Recent laws require an inspection by a law enforcement officer. Partly because the law is confusing, fewer and fewer agencies are offering this inspection service. Current wait times are 4-12 weeks. And all trailers must have a chassis, which is interpreted to be a steel frame with a body bolted to it. The only alternative is to become a manufacturer. That is a multistage process which we are part way through. It means more delays on when we can take the trailer out for testing and camping. It will be well into next year before we can possibly be in production. Anyone watching the economy knows prices are going up. Fortunately only some of our material costs are not changing much. So we are still looking at keeping this trailer relatively affordable. And as a side note, we think the classic 5 x 10 kit will be around 5K. Thank you to all for the interest and comments. Our website is up but there is not much there just yet. The website is published now, but there is not a lot there just yet. We will be adding things as we can. www.teardroplite.com/
@@PlayingwithSticksI am so sorry to learn about Charles Wilhite’s death, it seems like he was such a creative innovator. It looks like an incredible design. Much love to yall.
@@lisaball1701 Thanks for the condolences Lisa. It was tough to lose Charles. But, even just having this video will be a reminder of his contributions to the small camper communty. Yes, unfortunatelly his dreams never came to fruition. But, I hope there is some takeaway just from his vision alone.
I am in the process of building a fold up side (ala old Apache or newer cube) square drop out of composite materials. I am using structural foam core and fiberglass. The plan is for it to be frameless with the torsion axle attached directly to the fiberglass deck. The overall length is 13' and the cab is 11' long by 6'6" (king bed) wide. The configuration is king bed on one end and a 4' by 6'4" space on the other end for potty and such. The kitchen will slide out the side from under the bed to the outside of the trailer. I plan for 38 gal of fresh water and a 38 gal holding tank. Its cool you found someone and have the resources to make your trailer come to life.
The script you provided doesn't specify the exact composite material used in the construction of the trailer. It does, however, reference composite materials in a general sense. The script mentions: "Ray's speeder over here this is fiberglass all fiberglass or composite." "The neat thing about building a trailer out of Composites is now the weight is down." "composite walls just like these insulated sidewalls." "This will be covered by more composite." From these excerpts, we can infer that the trailer is built using composite materials, which likely include lightweight components similar to fiberglass. It does not directly state what the exact composite material is but draws a comparison to fiberglass, implying that both are lightweight and strong. Fiberglass is a common type of composite material, but composite can also refer to other materials like carbon fiber, Kevlar, or a mix of synthetic resins with reinforcing fibers. Here’s a detailed breakdown of the composite construction method for this trailer, based on the information extracted from the comments and responses: Key Features of the Composite Construction: Materials Used: Carbon Fiber: The trailer incorporates carbon fiber for its lightweight properties and strength. Carbon fiber is traditionally expensive, but its cost has decreased due to widespread use in aerospace (Boeing) and sports equipment. Epoxy Resin: The carbon fiber is bonded with epoxy resin, which is a critical part of the construction. However, the cost of epoxy hardeners has increased. The epoxy provides the necessary strength and bonding between the layers of carbon fiber. Hybrid Fabric: A hybrid fabric is also used to enhance the durability and impact resistance of the trailer. This material has properties similar to Kevlar but is more affordable. It helps reinforce parts of the trailer that need additional strength to withstand impacts and stress. Kevlar Spine: The main structural support or chassis includes a "Kevlar spine," which runs the length of the trailer. This provides rigidity and strength without the need for a traditional steel frame. Composite Panel Construction: Multiple Layers: The trailer is constructed with multiple layers of carbon fiber and other composite materials, with a "honeycomb insulation" sandwiched between them. This honeycomb core adds rigidity while keeping the overall weight low. Monocoque/Unibody Design: This trailer follows the principles of monocoque construction, where the outer panels bear the load, similar to the construction method used in modern cars and race cars. This approach eliminates the need for a traditional frame, distributing the load across the panels. Insulated Sidewalls: The composite sidewalls provide good insulation (R-value), keeping the interior temperature regulated without the need for canvas or fabric, which could degrade over time. Assembly and Flexibility: Modular Components: The composite nature allows for flexible assembly and modification. The design can be quickly adjusted or reworked if weight balance needs to be shifted. For example, water storage or heavy components can be moved to different locations to optimize balance and aerodynamics. Easy to Work With: Composites allow quick modifications, and the construction method is designed to accommodate adjustments without compromising the overall structure. Pop-Up Sections: The trailer has pop-up sections constructed from the same composite materials. This includes a foldable roof, sidewalls, and a rear galley hatch. These sections aim to provide flexibility, easy setup, and structural integrity when opened. Challenges Addressed: Leak Prevention: Several users raised concerns about potential water leaks, especially where parts move or fold. The trailer's construction involves the use of EPDM rubber seals, similar to those used in car doors and trunks. The builder is confident that leaks will not be an issue due to proper design and water-shedding mechanisms, including small rain gutters around the galley hatch. Durability and UV Protection: The hybrid fabric used in the outer layers enhances the trailer’s ability to handle impacts, while the carbon fiber provides overall strength. UV protection is also a factor in the design, especially in areas exposed to the sun for long periods, like desert environments. No Canvas/Fabric: Unlike other trailers that rely on canvas, this design uses hard-sided pop-ups, eliminating concerns about rot or degradation that typically affect fabric components. Weight and Aerodynamics: Lightweight Construction: One of the major advantages of this trailer is its exceptionally low weight. The entire trailer is projected to weigh less than 1,000 lbs, which is much lighter than most comparable models. This weight reduction is largely due to the use of composites like carbon fiber and hybrid fabrics. Aerodynamics: The design prioritizes aerodynamics, drawing from the builder’s experience in experimental aviation. The goal is to minimize drag while towing, improving fuel efficiency and handling. The trailer's teardrop shape, despite its pop-up features, is engineered for smooth airflow. Innovative Structural Elements: Living Hinge: This concept is mentioned in some parts of the trailer’s design. A living hinge is a flexible hinge integrated into the material itself, typically used in applications like folding doors or panels. Some users expressed concerns about its durability, but it is mentioned as a lightweight, practical solution for certain areas of the trailer. Chassis/Frame Design: Instead of a traditional steel or aluminum frame, this trailer uses a carbon fiber chassis with a Kevlar-reinforced spine. This structural system distributes the load across the entire body, similar to unibody car construction. It’s a novel approach in trailers and allows for maximum strength with minimal weight. Additional Features: Water Storage: Concerns were raised about the placement of the water storage tanks, as the original design had the tanks in the rear, which could cause weight imbalance. The builder adjusted the design to distribute the weight of the water across the trailer to ensure proper balance. Electrical and Ventilation: The trailer is designed with innovative electrical and ventilation systems, including built-in filtration and potentially integrated air conditioning. The inclusion of Arctic Tern windows and other high-end components improves airflow while maintaining insulation. Conclusion: The composite construction method for this trailer is a highly advanced approach, drawing inspiration from aviation and automotive engineering. The use of carbon fiber, Kevlar, epoxy resin, and hybrid fabrics creates a trailer that is both lightweight and incredibly strong. The monocoque design, with hard-sided pop-ups and integrated insulation, makes it a unique alternative to traditional teardrop trailers, offering better durability, aerodynamics, and ease of assembly.
I want to say thank you to all in this community who have commented, asked questions, and made suggestions. I told Drew I have already made a few changes based on the collective wisdom of this group. I am so glad we decided to show you the trailer still in the build process. So please, if you have thoughts, share them. We are also looking for a proper name if anyone has a good one...
@@miguelblanco3629 my sons are big fans of a show called Wildcats so Tortuga would be it for them. It’s the tortoise shaped ship they use to go on all their adventures.
I love how this is turning out! You can tell that there has been a lot of thought and experience that is going into this new design! I can't wait to see when it is finished!
Brad you are so awesome! We are currently sitting here at 5:44am sipping instant coffee. You have made this morning even better! It is the experience of the builders that really have me excited for this. There was a lot of "no we can't do that. But we can do this." And my favorite parts were the ideas they gave that weren't even remotely in my head. There are a few had scratching features on this trailer I am excited to show you. And I am even more excited to see if they actually turn out!
So you may feel like you are watching "Hunt for Red October" But with a little creative imagination try to picture a classic/vintage style teardrop. It will be two tone white (cream) and a grayish green. Baby moons. Flaired fenders. Etc. Let me know what you all think. Am I crazy?!?!?
@@OverlandTrailer I appreciate the vote of confidence Mark. I realize it is going to look complicated in the videos. But the goal is to keep this as simple as possible. Basically a complicated trailer with simple/strong components.
@@jaredourada Haha! That is what I like to hear. I know the internet is seeing my authentic self when they say I am crazy. I think my family would agree! And they would say crazy in a good way as well. 🤣
Here's a thought I overlook/take for granted on my own trailer. Pressurization. By allowing air to enter the trailer while driving you prevent dust infiltration. On my trailer there is a vent on the very front that air enters through a lawn mower style filer. The positive airflow pressurizes the interior and prevents dust. We've been on many extremely dusty trails for hours and hours but never had any dust whatsoever on the inside of the trailer
I actually have Charles talking about this in the next episode. I wonder if it is similar to yours. She wants an air intake that uses a common SUV filter you can find it any auto store. Basically so it’s easy to find.
@@PlayingwithSticks I am so stoked for this. It's so great to see this come together. ALSO, the Star Wars Stuff? Seriously? How did I not know this? Working with Star Wars is another thing we have in common! ha. Thanks for the shout out too!
@@OverlandTrailer I had a feeling the Star Wars component would get you excited. That Landspeeder actually drives. It has an electric motor in it. Also every one of the Star Wars vehicles has autographs on them from Mark Hamill to both Chewbaccas and everyone in between.
With your feedback I think we can really get this trailer right. I have a few other designs in my head as well, but I thought this would be the best one to start with first. I think this would be a perfect fit for older couples who need a simple set up but enough room in the den to bring a toilet. I think this is a perfect set up for growing families. And best of all I think this is a great trailer for people with lighter tow vehicles. This trailer is going to come in at under 1000 pounds. I think this also will be a great little trailer for people who like to bring toys and use that den as the storage. I’m thinking inflatable kayaks, SUP‘s, bicycles. We installed tiedown points for my electric bike in the den.
This looks fabulous! I'm guessing (maybe I missed this part) that it will be well-insulated too. I like the idea of headspace when you're camping, but lower profile on the road. Year-round camping in cold climates is essential for me... I think you've got a winner in the making! Thanks, Drew, for your super series on teardrops, from a Yukoner.
Hi Martha and fellow northerner! Yes the closeouts that you did not see in the video will be insulated as well. This trailer will also have a Propex heater that you’ll see in the next video. I’m trying to get this Canada\Alaska ready!
Ps. I miss BC and the Yukon so much! It was such a shame to be forced through it so quickly during the pandemic. I literally was given 24 hours to make it through the Yukon! I can’t wait to come back with ample time to enjoy the people.
@@PlayingwithSticks I'm looking forward to my first Alaskan trip beyond Skagway and Haines, perhaps next summer. Let's hope for a healthier continent ahead!
Agreed on the healthier content part! I had always hoped my family would settle in Haines one day. It never happened unfortunately. It would be such a fun place to raise kids.
Love the design. I really like the use of composite instead of canvas for the pop up areas. It's like a much improved version of the viking/coachman 9.0
This is really fantastic - and there is demand for such a teardrop at the right price. I am an avid MTB and have been looking at the Intec Flyer (cobination of; stand up space, pop down bed, room for a couple of MTBS (either while driving or while in camp) plus the reasonable price point . In addition to the version you have here I could foresee a model where instead of having the folding out window in the front of the trailer (plus bunk beds) you have a side door that opens proving access to sliding drawers this space in turn becomes a fully functional garage (sya store two MTB's). If you have nothing in the garage you can use it as liveable internal space. Look at the Leisure Travel Wonder RV and you'll see their rear "garage". Also, I am sure you have seen the Safari Condo (Alto). They have a nifty design for how the roof pops up/down. A couple of concerns: (a) water collection/drainage between the rear kitchen hatch and the raised roof -on the main body of the trailer and (b) face to the win aerodymacs in heavy winds with the bunk bed window popped up (what side to do you put facing the wind?) Also - I know that composites will make this thing very light but 1500 lb and cheaper is better than 1,000 lbs and unaffordable :) - keep up the great work! Take a look at the Toyota Revo Truck Camper from Thailand - fairly ingenous.
Sorry to hear Charles passed away. That was looking to be an amazing build. Looks like his partner according to the website is going to continue working on the concept. Hope you are still giving your input on it, to carry on his memory and vision
This is awesome! I’m not an expert in anyway, but I’ve followed you for a couple of years and find that your observations our things that connect with me too. We r a family of 3 tall ppl and love the idea of teardrop. My fav is the outdoor kitchen. I’ve always wanted to design my own trailer but no clue how. This design seems to give the solutions. For me….the reason we still have not purchased a trailer is bc of cost and the quality of how long an item lasts, plus just not big enough for the tall family of 3 we are. So for me, quality. Can it last for 10+ years, and what is the wear and tear along with maintenance. This is an exciting project and happy for you guys. Can’t wait to see the end result
Awesome. Composites are really easy to work with despite what people say. And I have built 2 planes which I fly made of them. Glad to see this happening and this gives me some inspiration. Cheers
Thanks for the vote of confidence. You sound like Charles. That is his background, building composite aircraft. I had no idea there was landing gear made of composites and other components in planes that I never thought could be made and be successful. I have been learning quite a bit lately.
Composites are easy once you learn the basics. I have worked mostly on canards from VariEZ to Berkut. Currently developing a new composite upper fuselage for the RV-10 with doors that open out and up. What do you fly?
Well...this is exactly the trailer for me. I needed to be able to stand to do things and I cannot walk around on my knees because they are bad and hunkering down to walk around inside is a bit too much for some of us. The nice, roomy outdoor kitchen is wonderful, with pass throughs. I love everything about this build. Unfortunately for me, I will have to buy something else now and wait for this to be produced...but I am planning to buy one in however it is offered: built, a kit, or a combo of the two, whatever. It's a dream ship come to life. Thank you Charles for your hard work and amazing creativity!
I'm so glad you like it. Here is some unsolicited advice for you. I have come to learn that small camper trailers are more of an investment than a waste of money. So far we have broke even on the sale of every trailer we have owned. The beauty of a trailer is that it has no motor. It doesn't depreciate right off the lot. So if you need to immediately purchase a trailer, my best tip for you is to buy something that is fairly well known. This way when it comes time to upgrade, there will be a number of people just waiting to buy your trailer for a little less than you got it for, or for the same price if there is a huge waitlist. I am not saying this is a guarantee that you will not lose much. But from what I have seen the past 5 years, this has been the case for me.
love it. I like how he is wringing out every extra cubic inch. I like the BLACK BEAN front where they make it look rounded but square it off to give you that extra interior then mount the tongue box.
As a single traveler or host to tent campers; I loved my Desert Dawg / Square Drop style trailer. (Taken out by a hail storm) But, would love to work with people who have the tools and knowledge to build a custom tweaked trailer.
Oh no! That must have been one intense hailstorm! So sorry to hear that. In terms of Teardrop Lite. What I like about the idea of composite kits. Is that they do most of the work and we just assemble and make it our own. Now with this crazy trailer of mine, you are right I am very blessed to be able to have Charles invloved. There is no way I could have done anything like this on my own.
Looks like an interesting material. Pros: 1. Lightweight 2. Well insulated? 3. Hopefully standing height for a 6'5" tall dude. Cons: Not a hard sided popup. I imagine the pop-up sidewalls will be fabric? 2. Expensive. Aren't composites expensive? 3 Still probably not big enough for my kids age 11, 7, 3. Super cool project! Looking forward to more updates.
Yes the R-value is quite decent for insulation on this. And the 6’5” dude would be able to stand in the den and have nice additional height for transitioning from the bed to the den. Well I don’t know if that’s 100% true there will be some points where the lights protrude a little bit. It is more built for someone 6 foot to 6’3 but I think 6’5 would work. Now here is a fun one. This trailer actually is a hard sided pop up. No fabric on this build. That was one of the big must haves for us. The sidewalls will also be insulated. I used to think composites were expensive as well. The kits that Charles will be making are very affordable. Now my trailer with all that carbon fiber I’m not sure. But I know Charles has some tricks up his sleeves and some more affordable composites he’s been using. I’ve come to find that composite trailer Materials are actually quite affordable, it’s just hard to get into with all the upfront costs of tools and the learning curve. When the pandemic hit and wood and metal sword and prices, many of the composite materials didn’t jump up a whole lot. I’m guessing because there was less demand for them and ample supply. And you’re right about the kids. This trailer which I forgot to mention in the video has three bunks. Two of those bunks are over 6 feet long so length is not an issue. But the wait threshold is where your 11 year old would be close. I have a feeling it would fit him up to about 12 years old. Which wouldn’t do you much good. But at that age he may enjoy a side entry tent like most kids. A bit of autonomy, but still within safe watch of the parents. Thank you so much for doing the pros and cons this is what really is really going to help this build. Where the concerns lie we’re really going to dig in and come up with a good solutions. And if we can’t we will probably be reaching back out to all of you to see if we’re overlooking something.
Thank you Cindy! I am glad you see our vision. I will do everything I can to make it the ultimate tilt up teardrop. Which I know will be listening to the feedback from the community. I wasn't ready to put the trailer out into the world yet. But I also knew it would be a huge mistake if I didn't show it to you all first. I am pretty sure there will be changes made directly related to this video. Thanks again Cindy for all the support. We so appreciate you!
@@1cosmocat Oops. I have called it tilt up so much I accidentally typed it. Sorry wasn't tryiing to correct you. But yes, I am calling it a tilt top or tilt up, not sure which yet.
DUDE, I cant wait to see the evolution of this thing! Went to Hiker and loved their campers, but im still leaning towards a stand-up-in one.. So this will be intriguing!..
Yes, Hiker makes a great affordable camper. And yes it all depends on your current camping needs. This summer I hit stop after stop with booked up campgrounds and found myself camping in less than ideal scenarios. Luckily I could hide out in the cargo trailer and have a bit of standing room. The more I am on the road, the more I am appreciatoing a stand-up trailer. But I am not appreciating the gas mileage! Haha.
@@PlayingwithSticks Yes!! And having an option for those of us who don't or can't spend $50,000 (ahem, the Altos) is amazing. The other idea that popped into my head is that when I was kid, you could buy unfinished pine furniture and sand, paint, etc. to your heart's content. What about something like that? Could that lower the production cost and also leave some creativity for those of us interested in this? :)
@@PlayingwithSticks Bouncing around Texas right now, Fort Worth this weekend. Up to Tulsa, OK next weekend and then back to Texas till Mid Jan, then Florida. We will be at the Southeast Overland & Outdoor Expo in Florida in March. Where are you guys?
The goal with Teardrop Lite and Charle's company is to keep trailers affordable for the general public. That is why he has come up with the concept of selling kit trailers made of composite. The trailer in this video though is a bit of a different story. Watch until the end. I have a plan with this trailer, but at the moment I don't think it is Charles's plan. But I think we can convince him.
@@PlayingwithSticks Every conversation I have with Charles the topic of affordability comes up. I think it will be as reasonable as is reasonable if he decides to sell them.
@@OverlandTrailer Agreed. The kits he is building will surely be priced for the masses. As for this trailer if he ever decides to tackle it I know he will try to keep the price down, but he will have to make a decision on components. For our build we used some materials that were a bit pricey. But I think Charles is smart enough to come up with some budget alternatives.
@@PlayingwithSticks I hope so Really Excited about this build and the possibilities that it offers and definitely would like to see it come to market ,even if it's a smaller version!
I’m really interested to see what size is most appealing to the community. Originally I was thinking people would want it a little bigger than what I built. But from the comments today I’m seeing smaller may be a viable option as well.
Thank you! I really am hoping at some point to bring something into the industry. This industry has been so good to me and my family in terms of trailers created in the past that have helped us get out and make memorable moments. I’m hoping one of these days I can give back in some way. This is my first attempt. And like you said it feels really good to try and create something new and different. And Charles is really pushing to try things differently in this build that goes outside of industry standards. It has been a really fun experience
Hi Drew! First of all: Congratulations for this new project! I think this will be a game changer for you, isn't? I know you've gone through a lot of experiences and this is the result of many of them and I wish you lots and lots of fun here!. I don't have much to add, in fact I'm intrigued about how is this gonna end up looking and performing. I didn't understand much about the galley hinges but I think that´s more related to a language barrier than the explanation by itself - truly speaking LOL. I found very interesting the usability of space, moreover the extension without missing the tear drop concept and design. The way the ventilation is going to flow inside is very promising; in the other hand, I'm intrigued about how to keep the water outside while the roof and pop-out window are deployed - unless they shouldn't be deployed while raining. I also respect a lot the principle of "having more than one use" applied here - like the pass through cabinets. You mentioned about independent suspension and that will make a great complement to the versatility of this trailer. PS. Very thrilled about the next episode! I hope to bring a constructive feedback next time as I understand better this nice project. Hasta pronto amigo!
Wow, what an amazing design! Would love to see this go into production. The pop up design seems like it would open up the option of adding a toilet inside the camper on a pullout drawer that stores under the galley. Maybe a cassette toilet or a dry flush? Great work!
@@mrsMOmiles I wish they left the chat open. I thought we would be able to have a little fireside chat after the video. I guess next time instead of a Premiere for a special video I will do a Live Chat following the video.
I absolutely love this build. Keep the updates coming…please! I also would be very interested in acquiring the finished product….love the idea that I could build out to suit my needs..Thank you.
Would have liked to see the earlier stuff, like laying the base and walls. As was looking at doing something similar but smaller as its for a motorbike. Really interested to see what you mount it on.
@@PlayingwithSticks Does "kit" mean you basically get the shell and fit it out? Count me in! As I read comments and answers, I'm learning more. I like that it has more than one bed big enough for an adult: so great to be able to bring a friend along but each have their own bed.... especially the older we get.
No worries. I kind of messed up the Live Chat anyway. I thought the chat would continue after the Premiere, but it instantly shutoff after the 11 minute video. Oops. Lesson learned. Next time I will do the chat post video.
Dang,I see many possibilities with this design, would definitely buy a Finnished or partially Finished trailer like this if I could afford it, Can't wait to see the Finnished Product! 🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍
@@Bikepacking Those are the types of videos I love. I have turned into a gear junkie as well. I don't buy much of it. But I love learning about it and dreaming.
It would be cool if the galley had a pull out option for a Skottle grill! This trailer design has so many features I would desire. I would definitely be in the market for something like this.
That slide out is currently included for our three burner stove. So it’s large enough to fit a Skottle or a Blackstone griddle in that spot. Definitely small enough for iKamper’s disco series Skottle. I would have to measure it for a more traditional Skottle.
Wow, I really like this idea! This is something I would be interested in as well! I have an overland smittybilt trailer with a rtt and i am looking for a teardrop to replace it, have been for a year or two now. But I have not been happy with what I have seen. But this looks about right! Can't wait to see what's next for this. Thank you for sharing the build with us!!
Glad this has peeked your interest. I get it with the Smitty trailer. They have their purpose, but I could see sometimes where you would want something else. I have always been one to own 2 different trailers. This trailer is my attempt to reduce that down to one.
I wanted to build something like this many years ago. I abandoned the idea, because there is one major flaw with this design. Because the roof hinges, it s impossible to put a 270 degree awning on it. Since then I realized that when designing a teardrop one has to include the tent/awning as well, as it is an integral part of the package.
You know I don't think it is a major flaw. It actually can be done. The builder of this trailer (Charles) actually wanted to put one on. He would have built it from composite and it would have slid out from the top section. But, if you check out our previous videos we aren't big believers in 270 awnings. We actually have an entire video dedicated to them and most of the video is about the problems we have when using them. Don't forget that the hatch on a teardrop is the awning. And if you need an additional awning something like a moonshade awning is often preferred by van lifers and teardrop owners over standard awnings.
Very excited to watch your vision be made a reality! Can you describe the composite in more detail? Carbon fiber inside and out but would be interested in what's in between and how thick the different parts are. Can hardly wait for your next video to come out.
In a future video I could have Charles go into more detail on this. Basically there is multiple layers of carbon fiber. I’m never good with my composite terms but for lack of a better term there is honeycomb insulation sandwiched in between the layers of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is also not known for its strong bending strength so I think there’s a few other composites Charles has integrated into the build as well to alleviate this in some places.
Curious to see how all these moving parts come together. My first concern would be leaks. My second would be the loss of a hard-sided sleep space. I like the consideration of a lot of additional living space within a small footprint.
That’s a very valid concern on the leaks. That would kind of defeat the whole purpose of this trailer. As for the hard sided sleep space I don’t think I understand. The close outs for this will be composite and insulation as well. So the entire trailer will sleep hard sided. I probably didn’t explain that very well.
I will address the question of leaks. I spent 25 years in the collision industry fixing wrecked cars and trucks. Leaks are something I know a thing or two about. When I started fixing cars way back in the 1970s, they were common. There are many ways to prevent them. All the joints are designed to shed water and then sealed with and EPDM rubber just like our car doors and trunks. The galley has small rain gutters to keep water from flowing into the cooking area. I am confident leaks will not be a problem. Once the build is finished I will test it with a pressure washer.
@@teardroplite I get all that. EPDM does break down over time especially when exposed to the sun. My comment was there are a lot of moving joints and a lot more potential for leaks. If the EPDM is done in a way that it is easy to replace years later, that would be helpful. Also, interested to see how much the trailer moves and flexes while being towed, especially over rough terrain. This is a cool concept origami teardrop.
This is a real good idea. I think you are onto something. I was wondering why nobody has done what you are doing. This could be done in every industry. I was thinking of starting a RUclips channel and do the same thing. Not with campers. Just with are day to day surroundings. Homes, gardens, furniture, etc… Enough about me. I have never seen a dual axel teardrop with independent suspension. Since it is made to carry are supplies. The cargo carrying capacity should be around 2,000 lbs. instead of a storage box. Make a storage shed. Big enough to lock up two bikes right over the dual axels. You loose the pass through feature from kitchen to living quarters. You gain storage space. You will have to extend the trailer. Also add tie down D ring hooks and a E track. I have more ideas but; I think this is too long for a comment. Good Luck!!!!
WoW! Gorgeous 😍 As a diy'er I would purchase plans for a a couple hundred. I want to build a truck bed camper using this method for my Ford Maverick. Please tell me you didn't use a steel frame to put it on? Cheers
Ford Maverick! Nice, we were just looked that up on Google yesterday. I never knew it existed. As for frame, wait until you see it. Or don't see it! Definitely no steel frame here.
Love it! I am so excited to see it in progress and look forward to the end result! I LOVE the different heights in the galley!!! I would likely want to buy a duplicate, as long as I could tow it. (..or change my vehicle.) You have the best camper logic of anyone I've watched on YT.
@@teardroplite I agree, stopping is very important. Electric brakes is on my personal wish list for my future camper even getting them installed after market for my peace of mind. My current vehicle has a 1,500lb towing capacity, so this would fit my situation! If this will be a reality, I'm pretty sure I'll hold off buying a camper until this is ready. My needs are for two adults (5'6") and two small dogs, so the extra space to clean paws upon entry is phenomenal. It's been a key missing piece.
I like what you are doing here. I really wish that the kit trailers were body only designed (or had a design) to also it on a European chassis with our inertia (surge) brakes and with all compliant European lighting regulations. I am in Japan (similar rules to the EU) with one difference. In order to classify as a camping trailer, the internal height must be at least 164cm. You achieve this with your dream trailer concept and that would be fine. Even better would be to have a kit that fits on a chassis (wheels underneath not at the side) that is less than 148cm wide and overall length (including drawbar/hitch) no longer than 340cm and less than 200cm high (in travel mode). This would allow for the trailer to be classified as a 'kei' (light or micro car) which drastically lowers running costs and as the advantage of not requiring proof of a parking space in municipalities of less than 100,000 population and more than 30km from the greater Tokyo area (these rules may change according to region). Furthermore, the motorways (freeways) here are all tolled and the cost changes per vehicle classification making 'kei' trailers very popular.
I think body only design may be an option. He is looking at taking the kits to a global market. We even plan on shipping one over to our family in Thailand. Charles is a smart guy. I think he can easily make this happen for you. What happens if it is less than 164cm can you still take it on the road? I am picturing a standard teardrop trailer which is much shorter than that. Wow, this is some good information Andrew. Charles is going to love digging through all this.
Wow this is awesome. The interior width seems very wide which is smart in my book. Probably to late but I would go aluminum chassis. Very interested in the sealing gaskets to prevent water intrusion.
I talk about the width in the next video. You have a great eye. LIke you said it just makes sense. When I first took out wider trailers (my vintage Shasta and ur cargo trailer) I thought the wideness would hinder where I could go and what I could do. However, it only benefited my trips in almost everyway. As for chassis. I agree. That is what I want as well. But Charles wants to prove something to the world. I am still a bit hesistant about it. But if he can pull it off it will be legendary! That is kind of the beauty of building this trailer for ourselves and partnering with someone from the experimental aviation industry. We get to try some pretty radical things that have never been done before. Good point on the gaskets. I will be interested to hear what Charles has to say on this subject.
Also love the idea of the rear facing window. Trust me your back will appreciate the stand up aspect as you get older. Will you have the ability to open entry door and load or unload cargo when it's closed in transit mode?
@@bartman1857 Great point on the back issue. And great question about the entry door. Yes, that is a big must for us when developing the unique door system. I still want this camper to be usable in "stealth" mode. Sleeping alonside the road or hoppinig in on a rainy day during transit to eat a snack, etc.
@@bartman1857 You nailed it. We haven't highlighted that part yet. Basically a kevlar spine with the tongue the length of the trailer. The spine support is spread throughout the floor. I'm still a bit skeptical, but Charles is a believer. I am so glad he is pushing me to explore new things. It will be a fun journey trying to break this trailer. If I can break the trailer we have a fun video! If the trailer doesn't break we have potentially made a small change in the industry. I think it is a win-win.
Thank you! That means a lot coming from you. I realize it’s not going to meet your off-road needs, but for most of us who do BLM, national forest, etc. this will be a great fit. With the Timbren suspension it ended up being about 16 inches of clearance. And the bottom spine is made of Kevlar which is pretty cool.
I can't wait to see more of it coming together. No I might be a little extreme in my rig. And your suspension sounds awesome. Can't wait to see that come together. You should not have too much problem although I had one with my last trip somehow my Camber on both sides we're off. And I ruined completely one tire, and warn the other one quite a bit. They do make shims to correct a camber problem. The big thing is to have your frame reinforced heavily. Then again, my rig is very heavy. It's at 2900 lb. Can't wait for more videos!
I also think that most people who like to get off the beaten path do not need everything I have. A simple yet durable lightweight trailer would be perfect for most everyone. Wondering what you're going to do about the battery and charge system? I will have to stay tuned!
@@sierramantrvlnus I'm going big with the electrical just as an excuse to try it out. If this build was purely for me and not the channel I would probably go smaller. But I want to use this trailer like Bean uses the Black Bean. I want it to be the trailer where I get to try out new components to further my knowledge of the industry. Hence the Arctic Tern. I probably would never have used that in the build. But I really want to put it to the test for a few seasons.
If you plan to sell this, highly recommend you think about a small window ac location. Many people come to Florida to camp. The winter is pretty dang good but the rest of the year leaves a lot to be desired. Ac was a must have for me and one of the reasons the bean didnt make the list. Many people camp in deserts, moab, etc. Highly recommend you think about AC. Looks awesome so far! Cant wait to see it done 😎👌
Yes!!! As this trailer will be coming out of Texas I am almost sure Charles has that in his plan. And if you didn’t see his announcement he said he will be building it for the public. And if you missed beans announcement about a year or maybe a year and a half ago they also introduced air conditioners.
@@PlayingwithSticks i did see the announcement, but it came after my purchase lol also the budget for a bean was about 8k-10k more. Ive searched and searched and still haven't found a teardrop or squaredrop that gave me as much value and is as a perfect fit as the one that I have. However, if the family gets big enough, and I find myself with the space to store it, I will eventually upgrade to the Inteck flyer that you reviewed or maybe even this one that Charles is developing. Two other features that were must haves for me were a sink (hate not being able to wash my hands) and also torsion axels. Your comment in the previous video about improving the towing experience was spot on. Tear drops are all about improving the whole camping experience so that you want to get out and do it more. So anything that does that is a must for me.
This is amazing! I can't wait to see more of this! I do have one concern. it looks like your cubby might hold about 20 gallons of water. that's 160lbs. in a trailer as light as this is set to be, having that much weight in the back corner might make it track weird. why not put the water in the center and then you can use it as ballast to get your tong weight just right, without wearing on one tire more than the other. You'll probably weight the same loaded as a decent trailer new from the factory, that's awsome!
Hmmm...You got me thinking now. We definitely will need to test out the balance. You will see in the next video that the fridge is on the right side with reserve water behind the fridge. But you now have me thinking is that enough weight? The neat thing about composites is that we can quickly swap things around. I will put this in my spreadsheet for Charles to take a look at. I think that was me just being lazy and going with traditional design. Stove and water on the left, drawers in the middle, and fridge on the right. But if this trailer is all about aero and weight as you will see in future videos we really need to take into consideration these smaller, but BIG details. Especially when we are talking about a trailer that weighs this little. Each little bit of unbalance will exponentially impact the trailer more than a similar trailer of larger weight. And yes, that was the goal. For this trailer to weigh loaded about the same as typical trailers dry. And even cooler yet, this would be in comparison to trailers that live much smaller.
The water is distributed left, right, and center. There are three large containers and three smaller ones in the shelves for easy access while standing at the galley. It should be easy enough to keep things close to balanced. The fridge and third bunk on the right will ballance the electrical system on the left.
I can't think of a single thing I dislike about what you've shown so far. It seems like it's shaping up to be the perfect camper for my family. Road stability will be an important test so I would recommend trying to reach a point where you can simulate the expected weight and balance and take it out for a couple of runs. If you can keep those tires that far back, you should be fine. I had previously suggested thinking about considering making the roof pop up vertically rather than hinged and I stand by that suggestion. You could use use simple scissor lifts (non-assisted) on the East/West sides to lock it up. The North/South side could hinge down from the top. The East/West sides would be installed from the outside. If you had bug screen built into the East West sides, you could leave the East/West walls off to get fantastic airflow and the "outdoor experience" inside (e.g. through the night). I REALLY hope you consider making this a kit. I can just imagine how amazing it would be to build this with my boys and then enjoying for decades to come!
The tires came a lot more forward. Almost too far. I think Charle's production model will have the tires somewhere between our original placement and our current placement. If you look at trailers of this size the axle placement tends to be more towards the middle vs. a traditional length teardrop. I'm right with you on the vertical pop up. That is something I have been studying and would love to see integrated into this design in the future.
I'd love to see something like this, but a bit smaller. like the 4x8 runaway cool camp, but that is 3 feet tall (inside) when in travel mode and 6 feet tall when extended
I'm glad to hear you say that. Because we can keep the weight down on this so well, I think this is a very feasible idea even for the lightest of tow vehicles. Charles will have a lot to think about after these comments.
@@PlayingwithSticks Don't Overload the Man(Charles) with all of these technical Ideas at 1 time,give him a chance to peruse then in due time,we don't want to burn him out!🤗
@@CJLane-62 I appreciate the concern, but my mind gets bored if I am not thinking about the next things. So keep the ideas coming please. I think a tilt up small trailer is fso much easier than this one that it is quite doable.
@@teardroplite I'm 61 and semi-disabled, and get burnt out pretty easily these days ,Glad to hear that You don't, if I could afford a 5 or 6 wide x 10 L,I would definitely get 1 of these,would easily be able to pull it with my 4.0L XJ, but it would have to be dang close to finnished as I don't Trust myself with power tools anymore, nerve damage in both arms, but Love the idea of a hard sided pop up without canvas! Have a Great Day Sir!🇺🇸🤗🤗
@@CJLane-62 Actually no power tools will be required to asseble the kits. This trailer will not be sold as a kit, smaller ones will. They will have slef aligning reatures so all you do is apply adhesive from a caulking gun and insert a few fasteners to hold things until the adhesive cures. Then take the fasteners out and fill the holes with the same adhesive.
It looks great. As a parent of 3 kids, I'm always looking for a teardrop with enough space for the whole family. Right now that seems to only be the Bend 6x12, but we live pretty far from Oregon. Pros - the height! Cons - what are the seals/gaskets going to look like for the parts that "pop up"? Is that going to increase chances of leaking? I know the issues will be less, since it's not constructed of wood, but a leaky trailer still sounds crummy to sleep in. Looks great!
I forgot to mention in this video that this trailer has 3 bunks. Don't read too much into that statement ha-ha. Like you a growing family is the basis for our design decisions. Thank you for being the first to tackle the pros and cons. Great point on the gaskets. I am excited to share that with all of you as well. I don't know all the details but I am assuming there will be a combination of seals/gaskets and tracks for routing the water. You are so right. If we don't get that part right that would really be crummy.
It is currently axleless. Again, one of my reservations, but Charles says we can do it. It is Timbren with 15s. This puts the clearance at about 16 inches. In hindsight I probably should have went with 14s.
Check out the Eco Tourer from Australia. A very similar concept but at a fuller size (they do have a smaller one also). You might get some ideas from it for sealing the sides when the roof is raised.
love it! can't wait to see more! I'm really interested in where it is leading to. I want one too! Especially if it will not cost $30k, which I doubt 😞 I wished you would have told us more about the history of the project unless you did a previous video I missed. I would like to know how it started, but really more so about how he built the box, how he built the panels.
This builder is an artist. But that big hatch looks like it'll be hard to maintain throughout the life of this trailer. I am addicted to shapes that act like honey combs or rubber balls. Like how the cabinets of Shasta trailers of the 1960s were part of why they could bounce down a mountain road. (There were flaws to their design as well). Again this project has been mulled over and you guys are using techniques previously used while experimenting. I am with you and I hope I make something this cool in my life. *Blessings meant.
Thank you for the kind words. The beauty of properly designed and made composites is that they do not move. The hinge and seals are the only things that may need a little maintenance many years down the road. And yes the hand layup process I used in this build took way longer than a production model will. I have many molds to make now so we can reproduce this build even lighter.
This is fun! I need to watch again and was there another video before this one? Would it be possible to put an industrial snap along the bottom inside of the galley hatch to attach a wind/rain/privacy screen? It should reach the ground with something loopy to stake it down.
We have been talking about a few options like that. I am thinking of the snaps used on sports car tonneau covers. You must lift a button to release them.
@@PlayingwithSticks anytime Drew! It was a pleasure being on the live stream. It’s important to have a few active people to get the conversations rolling and encourage engagement. Stay safe out there.
@@FreysOnTheSide I had no idea the chat ends the minute the live feed ends. Next time I will need to do a post video chat. I was so excited to talk small camper trailers.
@@PlayingwithSticks ah yes. This is an unfortunate part of Premieres. I believe the only way to combat this is doing a live stream. Which might be kinda fun!
I know I am a bit crazy. And I am glad you think it is special. But I kind of hope they do. Well ultimately I hope Charles wants to take this on. He and I talked this over. When I decided to make the video I told him this would be out for the world to see. He was pretty confident his finished product would be tough to match. And if he doesn’t choose to take it on I would love to see this make its way to the public regardless of who tackles it. May and I have too many projects to tackle a trailer company at the moment. It would be fun, don’t get me wrong. I have a few other builds floating around my head that I would like to put to paper as well.
@@PlayingwithSticks Almost all epoxy will break down from UV. Adding UV protection to epoxy compromises the physical properties. But even a coat of automotive clear coat would protect it. I think there will be a little exposed cvarbon fiber in the galley and it will be UV protected. The rest of the trailer will be painted a sort of retro two tone.
Haha. It's funny what makes a decent RUclips profile picture could make a really ugly trailer in real life. But you have me thinking now....That would be pretty neat branding.
I can’t remember but in the state it was in for the video it weighed somewhere between 400 and 600 pounds. I don’t know why the details are fuzzy in my brain right now. But once we finish it up it should be below 1000 lbs.
@@PlayingwithSticks I'm currently designing a 4X8 tear drop and the outer skin will be 1/16" fiberglass and epoxy, internal walls will be 2 layers of 1/2 plywood, cut into studs and pocket screwed together, in-between will be 1" pink styrofoam and the inner skin 1/4" birch plywood. Using the Harbor Freight trailer I'm targeting a dry weight of 650lbs. When bonding the panels I'm going vacuum bag it. Light and extremely stiff!
This is what I imagined my trailer to be! I want a solid composite on the popup- origami style. Have you figured out how to adjust for the curve and top?
Crazy stuff! I love the front roof panel opening, but I wonder about ridgidity. No interior walls to stiffen up lateral movement? How much is this thing going to cost to build? Super cool !
It should be really rigid when we are done. Those sides do not remain open. There will be composite interior walls made of the same insulation thickness to close out the trailer. No canvas on this build. I see the confusion in the video. Charles was saying even without the interior walls it had way less lateral movement than he thought it would. Basically patting himself on the back for a job well done. Haha. Once the interior walls come in this will eliminate the lateral movement. I am also curious about the cost. I know prototype 2.0 will be much less costly to build. First rounds are always tricky.
@@PlayingwithSticks It's not really relevant to me whether the popouts are rigid or canvas. In some ways, canvas is actually better because it's easier to replace and modify. Hard popouts will still have to break the seal when putting up or taking down and some panels that were outside and wet/dirty will end up inside. And if any of those panels get damaged when you're on the road or out in the wilderness, repairs are going to be a problem. Yes, there are some ways to mitigate some (but NOT all) of these issues, but then you're adding back in more weight and complexity and potential for things to go wrong.
I’m not quite sure about that. I agree moisture and dirt can get on components of this. Best practice would be to wipe it down or let it dry off. But in a pinch if I forget to do it, this trailer isn’t going to develop mold or degrade. Yes you have to take care of it like you would any trailer. But this should definitely outlast canvas and with less maintenance and care. In terms of field repair I just don’t see it. There’s going to be parts that may need repairing like hinge points seals things like that. I don’t picture a piece of carbon fiber splitting in the field. If that’s the case we have bigger issues than just the design of the pop-up features. The same scenario could happen on any hard sided trailer if poorly constructed. Pop up or not.
The top bunk is a structural element. That and added reinforcements around the opening mean there should be no movement of the shell at all. The rear is equally stiff as the countertop is also a structural element. The raised platform for the queen size bed that is placed across the centerline, not down centerline, stiffens the side walls a lot. The preformed carbon fiber 90 degree angles you saw me bonding to the outside of the floor/sidewall joint triple the stifness through that joint. The door opening is where I will have to add stiffness. I am using some advanced materials and building it much like I would the spar for an aircraft wing.
We have made decent progress, but not enough for the next video. I wanted to have the interior about 80% done in the next video. Basically giving a nice visual of what the final inside will look like.
Very interesting Drew. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming build videos. Definitely combining some different concepts to make something special. It's a little early to provide much feedback as the total vision is hard to fully comprehend. One thing at this stage to think about is weight and balance. Location of water and other bits and pieces making sure to have a 15% tongue weight. What type of suspension, planning a bike carrier or roof rack of any kind? I think you are opening Pandora's box in a good way as the possibilities are endless. I'm curious to see how he addresses the structural rigidity or if it's just inherent in the design.
Hey Pat! Your video has performed very well. Again thank you so much. It took a weired turn in the algorithm and got its fair share of haters. But you did such a good job not stooping to their level. I so appreciate you! The weight and suspension has been a tough one for us. We put it on and off the scale. But so hard to determine at this point actual gear weight. Easy to build this for myself. A bit harder when thining of others. I never really realized how hard it is for manufacturers. There is a lot at stake in terms of liability and you have to base all the decisions of weight and balance off of what you think the average camper would haul. So tough. We currently have Timbren, but I am still wondering if that is the best option. Bike has tie-downs in the den. We are trying to really keep the aero principles in mind on this build. I have the same concerns about the structural rigidity. Obviously that door needs moved forward. The closeouts will definitely help. To me the weakest point appears to be the framing of the galley wall. But Charles feels very confident it will be strong.
@@PlayingwithSticks I think if you plan out the static weights correctly and make sure that dynamic loads are centered you should be ok. I'm very jealous as it it would be so much fun to work with someone to design the perfect "you" trailer. As I think through your build and what I might do the possibilities are so endless it would be hard to not get caught up in the over analysis phase...the old analysis paralysis thing :) Can't wait to see the final product...btw...never hurts to have a little off rodability..little clearance, skid plate ,etc to extend the usefulness but retain the design theme...just sayin...lol
@@pat9125 The composites used for the floor and spine are already designed to deal with off road. Very little hanging down to catch on anything, extremely durable fibers and core, toughened epoxy to deal with possible impact loads. Then it will get a coat of bed liner to avoid scratches. Clearance is 16" for most of the floor and 13" at the 3" x 4" spine running the length of the trailer at centerline.
Could you imagine if you could 3d print fiberglass/carbon fiber/Kevlar? With the ability to choose if you want the panel or section to be strong against compression, torsion separation, or such? Essentially being able to program the system and get the best strength to weight ratios you need for parts?
I had the same thought this summer. I can’t remember who I shared it with and somebody said they believe the technology is almost here. I wonder if that was Charles I was talking to? I’m getting my composite guys a bit mixed up in my head right now. Whoever I was talking about it was talking about 3-D printers used to build houses. Maybe that was Jennifer. Was it you? Such a busy year I’m getting everything in my head mixed up.
@@PlayingwithSticks nope wasn't me. LOL. Just thinking though the ability to lay down and create multi-fiber composite materials mixing fiberglass, kevlar and carbon fiber, in different orientations and thicknesses. would be interesting...
@@jenniferstewarts4851 Filiment winding and robotic placement of prepregs gets close to what you are thinking. 3D printing is largely using very short fiber reinforced thermoplatics and claiming to be printing reinforced parts. There are machines that pull continuous strand that is sort of prepreg mostly using melting plastic so not as strong as an epoxy matrix is. A machine could be built to run multiple heads loaded with different fibers. I have not seen that yet. But it could be happening somewhere. I do not think it is ready for mass production. But I am just now working with CNC machines for my plugs and molds. And yes they are printing houses with concrete in various places around the world. Building codes will prevent that from happening in the US for a long time I think. One of the things I like about working with teardrop trailers is the lack of regulations. haha
@@teardroplite Yep, i'm not thinking of short fiber thermapasts. i'm am thinking on the industrial scale :) multiple head heads with the ability to apply different density of fibers as needed, and different types. Far more "advanced" then what we have now. and far more sophisticated then a single line home printer. Comically, something more akin to an industrial auto-loom combined with a multi-reason system... (reason is mixed almost as needed. sprayed, then the system cleaned and cleared while the next sprayer takes over reducing waste and allowing for different reasons to be used as needed. hehe. yeah i'm a complete nut job to think of something like this.
Looks interesting but it feels somewhat similar to the Taxa Cricket (except for the kitchen being outside). The Taxa Cricket even has 2 berths for 2 children. How does this design differs or improves on the Taxa Cricket?
Great question. At first glance this trailer may look similar to others you have seen. I completely get that. However as hard as this is to believe this trailer will come in when finished at under 1000 pounds. This trailer will have no canvas. This means no issues with rot and degradation. No having to set up the camper when you get home again to dry it out. And in terms of switching out composite for canvas you now have greatly increased your R-value with insulated sidewalls. Yes the kitchen is outside, but this trailer is plumbed for simple cooking in the morning for our toast and boiling eggs etc. so you can do the big fun outdoor set up or do a quick indoor set up when arriving to the campsite late. You may have missed it but this trailer has two bunks as well in the video, but there’s a third bunk that you haven’t seen yet. Don’t read too much into that third bunk 😂. In terms of aerodynamic design this one is leaps and bounds ahead of the cricket. Not seeing the cricket is a bad build but this has been built by an experimental aviation designer. Meaning aero was top priority for this build. There’s lots of other features that separate this from the Taxa and other trailers but I think this gives you a basic idea.
@@PlayingwithSticks eager to see the finished product, we are currently on the hunt for our first teardrop. So far the bean stalker is on top of the list with a couple others.
@@davidgarcia2691 The first hunt is so fun! So is the second and third 🤣 In my opinion I think you are on the right track with the Bean Stalker. Mark actually says he built that trailer with us in mind. If you have the funds for a trailer in that price range you will have a hard time beating the value of a Bean.
@@PlayingwithSticks valiants XTD is tied with the stalker for 1st right now. I don’t need all the off-road capabilities but the build quality and components he uses are hard to match.
I know you focus on teardrops, but this looks to be a good basis for a small stand up trailer. An alternative to other FG trailers. It would be good to know how the shell is put together, as I've got a concept in my mind about a cool 17' short trailer that would fit in our garage.
I have a friend, who showed me my first teardrop here on my airport, who built just that trailer. Stand up bedroom with small stuffed chair, bathroom in the front, large screen in the galley. They are not off road campers. They are more social gathering campers. I call it glamping. Room for all sorts of experiences here.
@@teardroplite Yea, I just want to know how that's built- for the small "glampers"- the techniques and needs for small off road teardrops is very much the same as small "glampers".
That is a really neat build, but it has to cost a small fortune. I would love to have a composite trailer similar to this as my rig, but I guarantee it will be way outside of my budget. My dad is a boat builder so I have had a love of composites for a long time. The way they are building this trailer is incredibly foreign to me however. I am used to building a plug/prototype (usually out of cheap quick materials like plywood), then pulling a mold off of it. You can use that mold to make the final product over and over again. I will be interested to see how the various folding bits and seams hold up over time.
I am assuming you are asking what material was it built with? It is primarily built with carbon fiber. This is a lightweight, but very strong composite material.
@@graceormeno4625 I completely understand. You are way ahead of me. I forget almost every word in Thai daily. I will have it in the morning and by the afternoon it is gone. Haha.
Interesting -- esp the kit part -- but probably not for me, as I don' need or want the bunks. So it isn't even done and I want a smaller 1 or 2 person version. And while there a lot of smaller teardrops, not many in kit form and the ones that are are wood. (Though my wood kit built kayak is 17'3" and < 45 pounds...)
I am so excited to see this! Will there be a bunk option that is two separate beds for 2 kids? Sometimes I see bunk advertised and it is a full size bed that the kids share, which is not what I am looking for. I am looking for a true bunk bed. I have been on the hunt for something like this FOREVER it seems.
Never mind, I must have accidentally skipped over the first part of the video when I watched initially. That bunk setup is perfect. I am looking forward to the release of this! So happy I found out about it NOW because I totally would have been obsessing over it for the last year, had I seen this post when it originally released 😂 This is such a needed set up! This is exactly what we have been looking for for our family of 4.
Haha. This is a bit embarassing for Charles. Mainly because he thought it would go quicker than this. To get to this point it took about 6 months. If he was to repeat that segment it probably would take him a couple of weeks now. Completion will be about 1 to 2 more months total.
@@PlayingwithSticks The time frame is not that bad considering everything. It will be cool to see the finished product. I am sure you guys are excited to get a camper exactly as you want it.
@@garretlewis4103 More than you know! We were so smitten with our cargo trailer the first month. Then after three months we were all screaming to get back in the Bean. Is much as we love the Bean I can't imagine how good this new trailer will feel.
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It is way past time for an update on the tiltup trailer progress. A little recent history first. Early in 2022 Drew and I started talking about the trailer as seen in the two videos on Playing With Sticks' RUclips channel. In mid-June 2022, I had the first drawing of the exterior finished. The actual build started a month later. It went slowly. We shared the ideas and build process in that first video to see what the folks thought. The response was a little overwhelming to me. A year after the build started it is very close to ready to pull. We will do some test pulling before finish work starts. Better to see any problems that might exist. Then a lot of smoothing and painting. There are many significant changes since the last video. Nice curved line on the roof tilt up instead of the straight line I started with. Wheels moved inboard so no fenders. Instead, we have wheel skirts All for the good. Then I went to get it registered. It had been a few years since I registered a trailer in Texas and the rules have changed. Bottom line is that I cannot register this trailer as a home built or “hobby built” in Texas. That was my plan for the first trailers. Recent laws require an inspection by a law enforcement officer. Partly because the law is confusing, fewer and fewer agencies are offering this inspection service. Current wait times are 4-12 weeks. And all trailers must have a chassis, which is interpreted to be a steel frame with a body bolted to it. The only alternative is to become a manufacturer. That is a multistage process which we are part way through. It means more delays on when we can take the trailer out for testing and camping. It will be well into next year before we can possibly be in production. Anyone watching the economy knows prices are going up. Fortunately only some of our material costs are not changing much. So we are still looking at keeping this trailer relatively affordable. And as a side note, we think the classic 5 x 10 kit will be around 5K.
Thank you to all for the interest and comments. Our website is up but there is not much there just yet.
The website is published now, but there is not a lot there just yet. We will be adding things as we can.
www.teardroplite.com/
I'm so excited for this little trailer! Can't wait to see the finished product and the options. Keep up the good work!
Me too! I think about it daily.
Please think about a 6x size. Not much competition there but so much more room inside.
@@PlayingwithSticksI am so sorry to learn about Charles Wilhite’s death, it seems like he was such a creative innovator. It looks like an incredible design. Much love to yall.
@@lisaball1701 Thanks for the condolences Lisa. It was tough to lose Charles. But, even just having this video will be a reminder of his contributions to the small camper communty. Yes, unfortunatelly his dreams never came to fruition. But, I hope there is some takeaway just from his vision alone.
Way to tease at 10:25!! Can’t wait to see the water and electrics!
As a Canadian with a family of 3 kids. I am eagerly awaiting this. Serious potential buyer here
I am in the process of building a fold up side (ala old Apache or newer cube) square drop out of composite materials. I am using structural foam core and fiberglass. The plan is for it to be frameless with the torsion axle attached directly to the fiberglass deck. The overall length is 13' and the cab is 11' long by 6'6" (king bed) wide. The configuration is king bed on one end and a 4' by 6'4" space on the other end for potty and such. The kitchen will slide out the side from under the bed to the outside of the trailer. I plan for 38 gal of fresh water and a 38 gal holding tank. Its cool you found someone and have the resources to make your trailer come to life.
The script you provided doesn't specify the exact composite material used in the construction of the trailer. It does, however, reference composite materials in a general sense. The script mentions:
"Ray's speeder over here this is fiberglass all fiberglass or composite."
"The neat thing about building a trailer out of Composites is now the weight is down."
"composite walls just like these insulated sidewalls."
"This will be covered by more composite."
From these excerpts, we can infer that the trailer is built using composite materials, which likely include lightweight components similar to fiberglass. It does not directly state what the exact composite material is but draws a comparison to fiberglass, implying that both are lightweight and strong. Fiberglass is a common type of composite material, but composite can also refer to other materials like carbon fiber, Kevlar, or a mix of synthetic resins with reinforcing fibers.
Here’s a detailed breakdown of the composite construction method for this trailer, based on the information extracted from the comments and responses:
Key Features of the Composite Construction:
Materials Used:
Carbon Fiber: The trailer incorporates carbon fiber for its lightweight properties and strength. Carbon fiber is traditionally expensive, but its cost has decreased due to widespread use in aerospace (Boeing) and sports equipment.
Epoxy Resin: The carbon fiber is bonded with epoxy resin, which is a critical part of the construction. However, the cost of epoxy hardeners has increased. The epoxy provides the necessary strength and bonding between the layers of carbon fiber.
Hybrid Fabric: A hybrid fabric is also used to enhance the durability and impact resistance of the trailer. This material has properties similar to Kevlar but is more affordable. It helps reinforce parts of the trailer that need additional strength to withstand impacts and stress.
Kevlar Spine: The main structural support or chassis includes a "Kevlar spine," which runs the length of the trailer. This provides rigidity and strength without the need for a traditional steel frame.
Composite Panel Construction:
Multiple Layers: The trailer is constructed with multiple layers of carbon fiber and other composite materials, with a "honeycomb insulation" sandwiched between them. This honeycomb core adds rigidity while keeping the overall weight low.
Monocoque/Unibody Design: This trailer follows the principles of monocoque construction, where the outer panels bear the load, similar to the construction method used in modern cars and race cars. This approach eliminates the need for a traditional frame, distributing the load across the panels.
Insulated Sidewalls: The composite sidewalls provide good insulation (R-value), keeping the interior temperature regulated without the need for canvas or fabric, which could degrade over time.
Assembly and Flexibility:
Modular Components: The composite nature allows for flexible assembly and modification. The design can be quickly adjusted or reworked if weight balance needs to be shifted. For example, water storage or heavy components can be moved to different locations to optimize balance and aerodynamics.
Easy to Work With: Composites allow quick modifications, and the construction method is designed to accommodate adjustments without compromising the overall structure.
Pop-Up Sections: The trailer has pop-up sections constructed from the same composite materials. This includes a foldable roof, sidewalls, and a rear galley hatch. These sections aim to provide flexibility, easy setup, and structural integrity when opened.
Challenges Addressed:
Leak Prevention: Several users raised concerns about potential water leaks, especially where parts move or fold. The trailer's construction involves the use of EPDM rubber seals, similar to those used in car doors and trunks. The builder is confident that leaks will not be an issue due to proper design and water-shedding mechanisms, including small rain gutters around the galley hatch.
Durability and UV Protection: The hybrid fabric used in the outer layers enhances the trailer’s ability to handle impacts, while the carbon fiber provides overall strength. UV protection is also a factor in the design, especially in areas exposed to the sun for long periods, like desert environments.
No Canvas/Fabric: Unlike other trailers that rely on canvas, this design uses hard-sided pop-ups, eliminating concerns about rot or degradation that typically affect fabric components.
Weight and Aerodynamics:
Lightweight Construction: One of the major advantages of this trailer is its exceptionally low weight. The entire trailer is projected to weigh less than 1,000 lbs, which is much lighter than most comparable models. This weight reduction is largely due to the use of composites like carbon fiber and hybrid fabrics.
Aerodynamics: The design prioritizes aerodynamics, drawing from the builder’s experience in experimental aviation. The goal is to minimize drag while towing, improving fuel efficiency and handling. The trailer's teardrop shape, despite its pop-up features, is engineered for smooth airflow.
Innovative Structural Elements:
Living Hinge: This concept is mentioned in some parts of the trailer’s design. A living hinge is a flexible hinge integrated into the material itself, typically used in applications like folding doors or panels. Some users expressed concerns about its durability, but it is mentioned as a lightweight, practical solution for certain areas of the trailer.
Chassis/Frame Design: Instead of a traditional steel or aluminum frame, this trailer uses a carbon fiber chassis with a Kevlar-reinforced spine. This structural system distributes the load across the entire body, similar to unibody car construction. It’s a novel approach in trailers and allows for maximum strength with minimal weight.
Additional Features:
Water Storage: Concerns were raised about the placement of the water storage tanks, as the original design had the tanks in the rear, which could cause weight imbalance. The builder adjusted the design to distribute the weight of the water across the trailer to ensure proper balance.
Electrical and Ventilation: The trailer is designed with innovative electrical and ventilation systems, including built-in filtration and potentially integrated air conditioning. The inclusion of Arctic Tern windows and other high-end components improves airflow while maintaining insulation.
Conclusion:
The composite construction method for this trailer is a highly advanced approach, drawing inspiration from aviation and automotive engineering. The use of carbon fiber, Kevlar, epoxy resin, and hybrid fabrics creates a trailer that is both lightweight and incredibly strong. The monocoque design, with hard-sided pop-ups and integrated insulation, makes it a unique alternative to traditional teardrop trailers, offering better durability, aerodynamics, and ease of assembly.
I want to say thank you to all in this community who have commented, asked questions, and made suggestions. I told Drew I have already made a few changes based on the collective wisdom of this group. I am so glad we decided to show you the trailer still in the build process. So please, if you have thoughts, share them. We are also looking for a proper name if anyone has a good one...
How about Tortuga 1.0? 😊
How about "The Campawsit", lol! The brand graphic could be a big bear paw.
That’s actually really good!
@@justinpetty6183 I really like that
@@miguelblanco3629 my sons are big fans of a show called Wildcats so Tortuga would be it for them. It’s the tortoise shaped ship they use to go on all their adventures.
I love how this is turning out! You can tell that there has been a lot of thought and experience that is going into this new design! I can't wait to see when it is finished!
Brad you are so awesome! We are currently sitting here at 5:44am sipping instant coffee. You have made this morning even better! It is the experience of the builders that really have me excited for this. There was a lot of "no we can't do that. But we can do this." And my favorite parts were the ideas they gave that weren't even remotely in my head. There are a few had scratching features on this trailer I am excited to show you. And I am even more excited to see if they actually turn out!
@@PlayingwithSticks The back kitchen area is like you were designing it for me! When is it supposed to be done? 👍🏻
So you may feel like you are watching "Hunt for Red October" But with a little creative imagination try to picture a classic/vintage style teardrop. It will be two tone white (cream) and a grayish green. Baby moons. Flaired fenders. Etc. Let me know what you all think. Am I crazy?!?!?
Not crazy. I see it. Epic.
@@OverlandTrailer I appreciate the vote of confidence Mark. I realize it is going to look complicated in the videos. But the goal is to keep this as simple as possible. Basically a complicated trailer with simple/strong components.
Yes you're crazy. But in a good way. 😁
@@jaredourada Haha! That is what I like to hear. I know the internet is seeing my authentic self when they say I am crazy. I think my family would agree! And they would say crazy in a good way as well. 🤣
Here's a thought I overlook/take for granted on my own trailer. Pressurization. By allowing air to enter the trailer while driving you prevent dust infiltration. On my trailer there is a vent on the very front that air enters through a lawn mower style filer. The positive airflow pressurizes the interior and prevents dust. We've been on many extremely dusty trails for hours and hours but never had any dust whatsoever on the inside of the trailer
I actually have Charles talking about this in the next episode. I wonder if it is similar to yours. She wants an air intake that uses a common SUV filter you can find it any auto store. Basically so it’s easy to find.
So stoked for this one. Finally out there for all to see. THIS is what DIY is all about.
Only you and Jennifer from the community knew about this one. I know Charles really appreciates the help you have provided along the way.
@@PlayingwithSticks I am so stoked for this. It's so great to see this come together. ALSO, the Star Wars Stuff? Seriously? How did I not know this? Working with Star Wars is another thing we have in common! ha.
Thanks for the shout out too!
@@OverlandTrailer I had a feeling the Star Wars component would get you excited. That Landspeeder actually drives. It has an electric motor in it. Also every one of the Star Wars vehicles has autographs on them from Mark Hamill to both Chewbaccas and everyone in between.
@@PlayingwithSticks This is amazing. I emailed both you and Charles about this already. I have no words. ha ha
@@OverlandTrailer Speaking of emails.... I have so many to catch up on from the last couple of weeks. Thank you for the reminder.
Convince Charles to sell this thing! Need to see the final product but as a concept this looks perfect!
With your feedback I think we can really get this trailer right. I have a few other designs in my head as well, but I thought this would be the best one to start with first. I think this would be a perfect fit for older couples who need a simple set up but enough room in the den to bring a toilet. I think this is a perfect set up for growing families. And best of all I think this is a great trailer for people with lighter tow vehicles. This trailer is going to come in at under 1000 pounds. I think this also will be a great little trailer for people who like to bring toys and use that den as the storage. I’m thinking inflatable kayaks, SUP‘s, bicycles. We installed tiedown points for my electric bike in the den.
Incredible, I could pull that with my 96' XJ!
Dude, dude, seriously, the star wars stuff OMG!!!!!!!!!
RIGHT!!!!!!
@@PlayingwithSticks I would be like a 6 year old in the presence of those goodies
@@TheAngryCamper I tried to play it cool when I was there! Haha I also snuck as much video as I could for bragging rights back home with my friends 😀
@@PlayingwithSticks Ha ha ha, in my best Napoleon Dynamite voice "Lucky"
This looks fabulous! I'm guessing (maybe I missed this part) that it will be well-insulated too. I like the idea of headspace when you're camping, but lower profile on the road. Year-round camping in cold climates is essential for me... I think you've got a winner in the making! Thanks, Drew, for your super series on teardrops, from a Yukoner.
Hi Martha and fellow northerner! Yes the closeouts that you did not see in the video will be insulated as well. This trailer will also have a Propex heater that you’ll see in the next video. I’m trying to get this Canada\Alaska ready!
Ps. I miss BC and the Yukon so much! It was such a shame to be forced through it so quickly during the pandemic. I literally was given 24 hours to make it through the Yukon! I can’t wait to come back with ample time to enjoy the people.
@@PlayingwithSticks I'm looking forward to my first Alaskan trip beyond Skagway and Haines, perhaps next summer. Let's hope for a healthier continent ahead!
Agreed on the healthier content part! I had always hoped my family would settle in Haines one day. It never happened unfortunately. It would be such a fun place to raise kids.
Reminds me of Mount massive, A liner, and Bean all in one! Would be perfect for my family of 4. I’m in!
Yes, this is definitely a combination of features from some of my favorite trailers. Glad you were able to pick up on that quick.
Love the design. I really like the use of composite instead of canvas for the pop up areas. It's like a much improved version of the viking/coachman 9.0
Whao whao whao!!!! Seeing the movie props was awesome!
I’m glad you appreciated that part. It was so fun to be around those props
the teardrop that brings tears to my eyes a work of art and innovation
This is really fantastic - and there is demand for such a teardrop at the right price. I am an avid MTB and have been looking at the Intec Flyer (cobination of; stand up space, pop down bed, room for a couple of MTBS (either while driving or while in camp) plus the reasonable price point . In addition to the version you have here I could foresee a model where instead of having the folding out window in the front of the trailer (plus bunk beds) you have a side door that opens proving access to sliding drawers this space in turn becomes a fully functional garage (sya store two MTB's). If you have nothing in the garage you can use it as liveable internal space. Look at the Leisure Travel Wonder RV and you'll see their rear "garage". Also, I am sure you have seen the Safari Condo (Alto). They have a nifty design for how the roof pops up/down. A couple of concerns: (a) water collection/drainage between the rear kitchen hatch and the raised roof -on the main body of the trailer and (b) face to the win aerodymacs in heavy winds with the bunk bed window popped up (what side to do you put facing the wind?) Also - I know that composites will make this thing very light but 1500 lb and cheaper is better than 1,000 lbs and unaffordable :) - keep up the great work! Take a look at the Toyota Revo Truck Camper from Thailand - fairly ingenous.
Sorry to hear Charles passed away. That was looking to be an amazing build. Looks like his partner according to the website is going to continue working on the concept. Hope you are still giving your input on it, to carry on his memory and vision
This is awesome! I’m not an expert in anyway, but I’ve followed you for a couple of years and find that your observations our things that connect with me too. We r a family of 3 tall ppl and love the idea of teardrop. My fav is the outdoor kitchen. I’ve always wanted to design my own trailer but no clue how. This design seems to give the solutions. For me….the reason we still have not purchased a trailer is bc of cost and the quality of how long an item lasts, plus just not big enough for the tall family of 3 we are. So for me, quality. Can it last for 10+ years, and what is the wear and tear along with maintenance. This is an exciting project and happy for you guys. Can’t wait to see the end result
This looks like the trailer I have been searching for, all in an unavailable package..Rats.
Well, fortunately, after the first video’s comments Charles said he was going to bring it to production. I’m excited for him.
Awesome. Composites are really easy to work with despite what people say. And I have built 2 planes which I fly made of them. Glad to see this happening and this gives me some inspiration. Cheers
Thanks for the vote of confidence. You sound like Charles. That is his background, building composite aircraft. I had no idea there was landing gear made of composites and other components in planes that I never thought could be made and be successful. I have been learning quite a bit lately.
Composites are easy once you learn the basics. I have worked mostly on canards from VariEZ to Berkut. Currently developing a new composite upper fuselage for the RV-10 with doors that open out and up. What do you fly?
Fantastic idea & design, plus strong & super light weight, you got a winner
AWESOME idea. Can't wait to see how it progresses.
Thank you Rick! I am excited to show it to you.
Wow! I am very impressed and can hardly wait for the next episode of the build out. Thanks for sharing.
Well...this is exactly the trailer for me. I needed to be able to stand to do things and I cannot walk around on my knees because they are bad and hunkering down to walk around inside is a bit too much for some of us. The nice, roomy outdoor kitchen is wonderful, with pass throughs. I love everything about this build. Unfortunately for me, I will have to buy something else now and wait for this to be produced...but I am planning to buy one in however it is offered: built, a kit, or a combo of the two, whatever. It's a dream ship come to life. Thank you Charles for your hard work and amazing creativity!
I'm so glad you like it. Here is some unsolicited advice for you. I have come to learn that small camper trailers are more of an investment than a waste of money. So far we have broke even on the sale of every trailer we have owned. The beauty of a trailer is that it has no motor. It doesn't depreciate right off the lot. So if you need to immediately purchase a trailer, my best tip for you is to buy something that is fairly well known. This way when it comes time to upgrade, there will be a number of people just waiting to buy your trailer for a little less than you got it for, or for the same price if there is a huge waitlist. I am not saying this is a guarantee that you will not lose much. But from what I have seen the past 5 years, this has been the case for me.
love it. I like how he is wringing out every extra cubic inch. I like the BLACK BEAN front where they make it look rounded but square it off to give you that extra interior then mount the tongue box.
You and me both with the Black Bean's use of space. On a small camper space/storage is premium.
As a single traveler or host to tent campers; I loved my Desert Dawg / Square Drop style trailer. (Taken out by a hail storm) But, would love to work with people who have the tools and knowledge to build a custom tweaked trailer.
Oh no! That must have been one intense hailstorm! So sorry to hear that. In terms of Teardrop Lite. What I like about the idea of composite kits. Is that they do most of the work and we just assemble and make it our own. Now with this crazy trailer of mine, you are right I am very blessed to be able to have Charles invloved. There is no way I could have done anything like this on my own.
Looks like an interesting material. Pros: 1. Lightweight 2. Well insulated? 3. Hopefully standing height for a 6'5" tall dude. Cons: Not a hard sided popup. I imagine the pop-up sidewalls will be fabric? 2. Expensive. Aren't composites expensive? 3 Still probably not big enough for my kids age 11, 7, 3. Super cool project! Looking forward to more updates.
Yes the R-value is quite decent for insulation on this. And the 6’5” dude would be able to stand in the den and have nice additional height for transitioning from the bed to the den. Well I don’t know if that’s 100% true there will be some points where the lights protrude a little bit. It is more built for someone 6 foot to 6’3 but I think 6’5 would work. Now here is a fun one. This trailer actually is a hard sided pop up. No fabric on this build. That was one of the big must haves for us. The sidewalls will also be insulated. I used to think composites were expensive as well. The kits that Charles will be making are very affordable. Now my trailer with all that carbon fiber I’m not sure. But I know Charles has some tricks up his sleeves and some more affordable composites he’s been using. I’ve come to find that composite trailer Materials are actually quite affordable, it’s just hard to get into with all the upfront costs of tools and the learning curve. When the pandemic hit and wood and metal sword and prices, many of the composite materials didn’t jump up a whole lot. I’m guessing because there was less demand for them and ample supply. And you’re right about the kids. This trailer which I forgot to mention in the video has three bunks. Two of those bunks are over 6 feet long so length is not an issue. But the wait threshold is where your 11 year old would be close. I have a feeling it would fit him up to about 12 years old. Which wouldn’t do you much good. But at that age he may enjoy a side entry tent like most kids. A bit of autonomy, but still within safe watch of the parents. Thank you so much for doing the pros and cons this is what really is really going to help this build. Where the concerns lie we’re really going to dig in and come up with a good solutions. And if we can’t we will probably be reaching back out to all of you to see if we’re overlooking something.
I am so excited about this. Will be watching for all updates. This might be the ultimate pop up teardrop.
Thank you Cindy! I am glad you see our vision. I will do everything I can to make it the ultimate tilt up teardrop. Which I know will be listening to the feedback from the community. I wasn't ready to put the trailer out into the world yet. But I also knew it would be a huge mistake if I didn't show it to you all first. I am pretty sure there will be changes made directly related to this video. Thanks again Cindy for all the support. We so appreciate you!
@Playing with Sticks OK, so the proper type is a tilt up teardrop. You go Drew
@@1cosmocat Oops. I have called it tilt up so much I accidentally typed it. Sorry wasn't tryiing to correct you. But yes, I am calling it a tilt top or tilt up, not sure which yet.
@Playing with Sticks You name it Drew, it comes outta your imagination. 😊
DUDE, I cant wait to see the evolution of this thing! Went to Hiker and loved their campers, but im still leaning towards a stand-up-in one.. So this will be intriguing!..
Yes, Hiker makes a great affordable camper. And yes it all depends on your current camping needs. This summer I hit stop after stop with booked up campgrounds and found myself camping in less than ideal scenarios. Luckily I could hide out in the cargo trailer and have a bit of standing room. The more I am on the road, the more I am appreciatoing a stand-up trailer. But I am not appreciating the gas mileage! Haha.
Looks incredible... cannot wait to see the finished product. Please figure out a way to put it into production!
Thank you Kevin! I will do my best to convince Charles. I think if he sees people excited about it he may have a change of mind.
@@PlayingwithSticks Yes!! And having an option for those of us who don't or can't spend $50,000 (ahem, the Altos) is amazing. The other idea that popped into my head is that when I was kid, you could buy unfinished pine furniture and sand, paint, etc. to your heart's content. What about something like that? Could that lower the production cost and also leave some creativity for those of us interested in this? :)
This will be very exciting!
I was hoping so. Thank you!
If I was to buy a trailer your design is looking GREAT.
Looks super cool Drew, I’m excited to see more!
Thanks Amber! Glad you enjoyed it.
I really like your profile picture by the way.
This has potential to be really special.
How exciting!! Hanging on for that next episode. Blessings wherever you guys are right now.
Thanks Charles! Blessings to you two as well. What part of the country are you in right now?
@@PlayingwithSticks Bouncing around Texas right now, Fort Worth this weekend. Up to Tulsa, OK next weekend and then back to Texas till Mid Jan, then Florida. We will be at the Southeast Overland & Outdoor Expo in Florida in March. Where are you guys?
I love all of it. There's no limitation to what you can do.
Excited to see what this one offers, praying it isn't priced off the charts.
The goal with Teardrop Lite and Charle's company is to keep trailers affordable for the general public. That is why he has come up with the concept of selling kit trailers made of composite. The trailer in this video though is a bit of a different story. Watch until the end. I have a plan with this trailer, but at the moment I don't think it is Charles's plan. But I think we can convince him.
@@PlayingwithSticks Every conversation I have with Charles the topic of affordability comes up. I think it will be as reasonable as is reasonable if he decides to sell them.
@@OverlandTrailer Agreed. The kits he is building will surely be priced for the masses. As for this trailer if he ever decides to tackle it I know he will try to keep the price down, but he will have to make a decision on components. For our build we used some materials that were a bit pricey. But I think Charles is smart enough to come up with some budget alternatives.
@@PlayingwithSticks I hope so Really Excited about this build and the possibilities that it offers and definitely would like to see it come to market ,even if it's a smaller version!
I’m really interested to see what size is most appealing to the community. Originally I was thinking people would want it a little bigger than what I built. But from the comments today I’m seeing smaller may be a viable option as well.
This is awesome! Love to see someone trying something new and creating!
Thank you! I really am hoping at some point to bring something into the industry. This industry has been so good to me and my family in terms of trailers created in the past that have helped us get out and make memorable moments. I’m hoping one of these days I can give back in some way. This is my first attempt. And like you said it feels really good to try and create something new and different. And Charles is really pushing to try things differently in this build that goes outside of industry standards. It has been a really fun experience
Cool trailer Drew, we're excited to see how it turns out!
Thanks guys! I glanced at your email yesterday. Your unique trailer is positioned to be shown to the world in December.
Can't wait to see this finished
You and me both! After seeing it this far, I am so excited to see it finished.
Hi Drew! First of all: Congratulations for this new project! I think this will be a game changer for you, isn't? I know you've gone through a lot of experiences and this is the result of many of them and I wish you lots and lots of fun here!.
I don't have much to add, in fact I'm intrigued about how is this gonna end up looking and performing. I didn't understand much about the galley hinges but I think that´s more related to a language barrier than the explanation by itself - truly speaking LOL. I found very interesting the usability of space, moreover the extension without missing the tear drop concept and design. The way the ventilation is going to flow inside is very promising; in the other hand, I'm intrigued about how to keep the water outside while the roof and pop-out window are deployed - unless they shouldn't be deployed while raining.
I also respect a lot the principle of "having more than one use" applied here - like the pass through cabinets. You mentioned about independent suspension and that will make a great complement to the versatility of this trailer.
PS.
Very thrilled about the next episode! I hope to bring a constructive feedback next time as I understand better this nice project.
Hasta pronto amigo!
This video is crazy cool for so many reasons!!! Thanks for sharing the building process with us.
Wow, what an amazing design! Would love to see this go into production. The pop up design seems like it would open up the option of adding a toilet inside the camper on a pullout drawer that stores under the galley. Maybe a cassette toilet or a dry flush? Great work!
We have talked about that some. I like your idea of stowing in the galley. But what to do with the water. I love challenges!
And yes we have decided to move towards production. Thanks to all the positive comments how can we not?
Really!!! Charles, that didn’t take much convincing. How cool!
Whoohoo im on time! Here we go!
Than you so much for being a part of the Premiere. It was short, but really fun!
@@PlayingwithSticks yea i was thinking wheres the rest?! Lol!
@@mrsMOmiles I wish they left the chat open. I thought we would be able to have a little fireside chat after the video. I guess next time instead of a Premiere for a special video I will do a Live Chat following the video.
@@PlayingwithSticks ohh good idea!!
I absolutely love this build. Keep the updates coming…please! I also would be very interested in acquiring the finished product….love the idea that I could build out to suit my needs..Thank you.
Would have liked to see the earlier stuff, like laying the base and walls. As was looking at doing something similar but smaller as its for a motorbike. Really interested to see what you mount it on.
Looks awesome
Thank you! I can’t wait to show you the final version. I think a little paint will make a big difference on this trailer.
Brave design! Keep going!
This is an awesome idea that will go viral. I am excited for more updates and would love to buy a kit.
Thanks for the positive feedback! I love it. Sounds like we have another person interested in a kit trailer.
@@PlayingwithSticks Does "kit" mean you basically get the shell and fit it out? Count me in! As I read comments and answers, I'm learning more. I like that it has more than one bed big enough for an adult: so great to be able to bring a friend along but each have their own bed.... especially the older we get.
I missed the live chat! But I’ll enjoy the video tonight
No worries. I kind of messed up the Live Chat anyway. I thought the chat would continue after the Premiere, but it instantly shutoff after the 11 minute video. Oops. Lesson learned. Next time I will do the chat post video.
Man I can't wait to see the finished product
Dang,I see many possibilities with this design, would definitely buy a Finnished or partially Finished trailer like this if I could afford it, Can't wait to see the Finnished Product! 🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍
Thank you for the positive feedback I appreciate it. Like you I’m eager to see the finished product as well.
@@PlayingwithSticks I bet you are, considering that it's your Dream Trailer! 😂
Wow this is amazing thanks just subbed ca t wait to see the final design
Welcome Aboard. Have you seen our bike camping trailer yet? I think you will enjoy this video ruclips.net/video/Aopv9WzXKwo/видео.html
Looks like we live in a similar area. I am excitd to check out your channel.
@@PlayingwithSticks yeah i live in Vietnam love exploring asia by bike
@@PlayingwithSticks i am a bit of a gear junkie most of my videos about setups just for fun cheers
@@Bikepacking Those are the types of videos I love. I have turned into a gear junkie as well. I don't buy much of it. But I love learning about it and dreaming.
It would be cool if the galley had a pull out option for a Skottle grill! This trailer design has so many features I would desire. I would definitely be in the market for something like this.
That slide out is currently included for our three burner stove. So it’s large enough to fit a Skottle or a Blackstone griddle in that spot. Definitely small enough for iKamper’s disco series Skottle. I would have to measure it for a more traditional Skottle.
Wow, I really like this idea! This is something I would be interested in as well! I have an overland smittybilt trailer with a rtt and i am looking for a teardrop to replace it, have been for a year or two now. But I have not been happy with what I have seen. But this looks about right! Can't wait to see what's next for this. Thank you for sharing the build with us!!
Glad this has peeked your interest. I get it with the Smitty trailer. They have their purpose, but I could see sometimes where you would want something else. I have always been one to own 2 different trailers. This trailer is my attempt to reduce that down to one.
I wanted to build something like this many years ago. I abandoned the idea, because there is one major flaw with this design. Because the roof hinges, it s impossible to put a 270 degree awning on it. Since then I realized that when designing a teardrop one has to include the tent/awning as well, as it is an integral part of the package.
You know I don't think it is a major flaw. It actually can be done. The builder of this trailer (Charles) actually wanted to put one on. He would have built it from composite and it would have slid out from the top section. But, if you check out our previous videos we aren't big believers in 270 awnings. We actually have an entire video dedicated to them and most of the video is about the problems we have when using them. Don't forget that the hatch on a teardrop is the awning. And if you need an additional awning something like a moonshade awning is often preferred by van lifers and teardrop owners over standard awnings.
Very excited to watch your vision be made a reality! Can you describe the composite in more detail? Carbon fiber inside and out but would be interested in what's in between and how thick the different parts are. Can hardly wait for your next video to come out.
In a future video I could have Charles go into more detail on this. Basically there is multiple layers of carbon fiber. I’m never good with my composite terms but for lack of a better term there is honeycomb insulation sandwiched in between the layers of carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is also not known for its strong bending strength so I think there’s a few other composites Charles has integrated into the build as well to alleviate this in some places.
Curious to see how all these moving parts come together. My first concern would be leaks. My second would be the loss of a hard-sided sleep space.
I like the consideration of a lot of additional living space within a small footprint.
That’s a very valid concern on the leaks. That would kind of defeat the whole purpose of this trailer. As for the hard sided sleep space I don’t think I understand. The close outs for this will be composite and insulation as well. So the entire trailer will sleep hard sided. I probably didn’t explain that very well.
@@PlayingwithSticks ah. I understand now about the side panels now. Looking forward to seeing more in this build.
I will address the question of leaks. I spent 25 years in the collision industry fixing wrecked cars and trucks. Leaks are something I know a thing or two about. When I started fixing cars way back in the 1970s, they were common. There are many ways to prevent them. All the joints are designed to shed water and then sealed with and EPDM rubber just like our car doors and trunks. The galley has small rain gutters to keep water from flowing into the cooking area. I am confident leaks will not be a problem. Once the build is finished I will test it with a pressure washer.
@@teardroplite I get all that. EPDM does break down over time especially when exposed to the sun. My comment was there are a lot of moving joints and a lot more potential for leaks. If the EPDM is done in a way that it is easy to replace years later, that would be helpful. Also, interested to see how much the trailer moves and flexes while being towed, especially over rough terrain. This is a cool concept origami teardrop.
This is a real good idea. I think you are onto something. I was wondering why nobody has done what you are doing. This could be done in every industry. I was thinking of starting a RUclips channel and do the same thing. Not with campers. Just with are day to day surroundings. Homes, gardens, furniture, etc… Enough about me. I have never seen a dual axel teardrop with independent suspension. Since it is made to carry are supplies. The cargo carrying capacity should be around 2,000 lbs. instead of a storage box. Make a storage shed. Big enough to lock up two bikes right over the dual axels. You loose the pass through feature from kitchen to living quarters. You gain storage space. You will have to extend the trailer. Also add tie down D ring hooks and a E track. I have more ideas but; I think this is too long for a comment. Good Luck!!!!
WoW!
Gorgeous 😍
As a diy'er I would purchase plans for a a couple hundred.
I want to build a truck bed camper using this method for my Ford Maverick.
Please tell me you didn't use a steel frame to put it on?
Cheers
Ford Maverick! Nice, we were just looked that up on Google yesterday. I never knew it existed. As for frame, wait until you see it. Or don't see it! Definitely no steel frame here.
Love it! I am so excited to see it in progress and look forward to the end result! I LOVE the different heights in the galley!!! I would likely want to buy a duplicate, as long as I could tow it. (..or change my vehicle.) You have the best camper logic of anyone I've watched on YT.
Max gross weight is $1500 pounds. Dry weight is just over 800 pounds. And it has brakes. I think stopping is very important.
@@teardroplite I agree, stopping is very important. Electric brakes is on my personal wish list for my future camper even getting them installed after market for my peace of mind. My current vehicle has a 1,500lb towing capacity, so this would fit my situation! If this will be a reality, I'm pretty sure I'll hold off buying a camper until this is ready. My needs are for two adults (5'6") and two small dogs, so the extra space to clean paws upon entry is phenomenal. It's been a key missing piece.
I like what you are doing here. I really wish that the kit trailers were body only designed (or had a design) to also it on a European chassis with our inertia (surge) brakes and with all compliant European lighting regulations. I am in Japan (similar rules to the EU) with one difference. In order to classify as a camping trailer, the internal height must be at least 164cm. You achieve this with your dream trailer concept and that would be fine. Even better would be to have a kit that fits on a chassis (wheels underneath not at the side) that is less than 148cm wide and overall length (including drawbar/hitch) no longer than 340cm and less than 200cm high (in travel mode). This would allow for the trailer to be classified as a 'kei' (light or micro car) which drastically lowers running costs and as the advantage of not requiring proof of a parking space in municipalities of less than 100,000 population and more than 30km from the greater Tokyo area (these rules may change according to region). Furthermore, the motorways (freeways) here are all tolled and the cost changes per vehicle classification making 'kei' trailers very popular.
I think body only design may be an option. He is looking at taking the kits to a global market. We even plan on shipping one over to our family in Thailand. Charles is a smart guy. I think he can easily make this happen for you. What happens if it is less than 164cm can you still take it on the road? I am picturing a standard teardrop trailer which is much shorter than that. Wow, this is some good information Andrew. Charles is going to love digging through all this.
Wow this is awesome. The interior width seems very wide which is smart in my book. Probably to late but I would go aluminum chassis. Very interested in the sealing gaskets to prevent water intrusion.
I talk about the width in the next video. You have a great eye. LIke you said it just makes sense. When I first took out wider trailers (my vintage Shasta and ur cargo trailer) I thought the wideness would hinder where I could go and what I could do. However, it only benefited my trips in almost everyway. As for chassis. I agree. That is what I want as well. But Charles wants to prove something to the world. I am still a bit hesistant about it. But if he can pull it off it will be legendary! That is kind of the beauty of building this trailer for ourselves and partnering with someone from the experimental aviation industry. We get to try some pretty radical things that have never been done before. Good point on the gaskets. I will be interested to hear what Charles has to say on this subject.
Also love the idea of the rear facing window. Trust me your back will appreciate the stand up aspect as you get older. Will you have the ability to open entry door and load or unload cargo when it's closed in transit mode?
@@PlayingwithSticks did I miss thar the plan is a carbon fiber chassis?
@@bartman1857 Great point on the back issue. And great question about the entry door. Yes, that is a big must for us when developing the unique door system. I still want this camper to be usable in "stealth" mode. Sleeping alonside the road or hoppinig in on a rainy day during transit to eat a snack, etc.
@@bartman1857 You nailed it. We haven't highlighted that part yet. Basically a kevlar spine with the tongue the length of the trailer. The spine support is spread throughout the floor. I'm still a bit skeptical, but Charles is a believer. I am so glad he is pushing me to explore new things. It will be a fun journey trying to break this trailer. If I can break the trailer we have a fun video! If the trailer doesn't break we have potentially made a small change in the industry. I think it is a win-win.
Looks great.
Thank you! That means a lot coming from you. I realize it’s not going to meet your off-road needs, but for most of us who do BLM, national forest, etc. this will be a great fit. With the Timbren suspension it ended up being about 16 inches of clearance. And the bottom spine is made of Kevlar which is pretty cool.
I can't wait to see more of it coming together. No I might be a little extreme in my rig. And your suspension sounds awesome. Can't wait to see that come together. You should not have too much problem although I had one with my last trip somehow my Camber on both sides we're off. And I ruined completely one tire, and warn the other one quite a bit. They do make shims to correct a camber problem. The big thing is to have your frame reinforced heavily. Then again, my rig is very heavy. It's at 2900 lb. Can't wait for more videos!
I also think that most people who like to get off the beaten path do not need everything I have. A simple yet durable lightweight trailer would be perfect for most everyone. Wondering what you're going to do about the battery and charge system? I will have to stay tuned!
@@sierramantrvlnus I'm going big with the electrical just as an excuse to try it out. If this build was purely for me and not the channel I would probably go smaller. But I want to use this trailer like Bean uses the Black Bean. I want it to be the trailer where I get to try out new components to further my knowledge of the industry. Hence the Arctic Tern. I probably would never have used that in the build. But I really want to put it to the test for a few seasons.
If you plan to sell this, highly recommend you think about a small window ac location. Many people come to Florida to camp. The winter is pretty dang good but the rest of the year leaves a lot to be desired. Ac was a must have for me and one of the reasons the bean didnt make the list. Many people camp in deserts, moab, etc. Highly recommend you think about AC.
Looks awesome so far! Cant wait to see it done 😎👌
Yes!!! As this trailer will be coming out of Texas I am almost sure Charles has that in his plan. And if you didn’t see his announcement he said he will be building it for the public. And if you missed beans announcement about a year or maybe a year and a half ago they also introduced air conditioners.
12 volt compressors are becoming more affordable. You will not see a window unit or roof unit, but I am looking at a built in AC for the future.
@@PlayingwithSticks i did see the announcement, but it came after my purchase lol also the budget for a bean was about 8k-10k more. Ive searched and searched and still haven't found a teardrop or squaredrop that gave me as much value and is as a perfect fit as the one that I have. However, if the family gets big enough, and I find myself with the space to store it, I will eventually upgrade to the Inteck flyer that you reviewed or maybe even this one that Charles is developing.
Two other features that were must haves for me were a sink (hate not being able to wash my hands) and also torsion axels. Your comment in the previous video about improving the towing experience was spot on. Tear drops are all about improving the whole camping experience so that you want to get out and do it more. So anything that does that is a must for me.
@@teardroplite make sure you test it, it gets pretty hot and humid in Florida. I'm sure Texas is no joke either.
This is amazing! I can't wait to see more of this! I do have one concern. it looks like your cubby might hold about 20 gallons of water. that's 160lbs. in a trailer as light as this is set to be, having that much weight in the back corner might make it track weird. why not put the water in the center and then you can use it as ballast to get your tong weight just right, without wearing on one tire more than the other. You'll probably weight the same loaded as a decent trailer new from the factory, that's awsome!
Hmmm...You got me thinking now. We definitely will need to test out the balance. You will see in the next video that the fridge is on the right side with reserve water behind the fridge. But you now have me thinking is that enough weight? The neat thing about composites is that we can quickly swap things around. I will put this in my spreadsheet for Charles to take a look at. I think that was me just being lazy and going with traditional design. Stove and water on the left, drawers in the middle, and fridge on the right. But if this trailer is all about aero and weight as you will see in future videos we really need to take into consideration these smaller, but BIG details. Especially when we are talking about a trailer that weighs this little. Each little bit of unbalance will exponentially impact the trailer more than a similar trailer of larger weight. And yes, that was the goal. For this trailer to weigh loaded about the same as typical trailers dry. And even cooler yet, this would be in comparison to trailers that live much smaller.
The water is distributed left, right, and center. There are three large containers and three smaller ones in the shelves for easy access while standing at the galley. It should be easy enough to keep things close to balanced. The fridge and third bunk on the right will ballance the electrical system on the left.
I can't think of a single thing I dislike about what you've shown so far. It seems like it's shaping up to be the perfect camper for my family. Road stability will be an important test so I would recommend trying to reach a point where you can simulate the expected weight and balance and take it out for a couple of runs. If you can keep those tires that far back, you should be fine. I had previously suggested thinking about considering making the roof pop up vertically rather than hinged and I stand by that suggestion. You could use use simple scissor lifts (non-assisted) on the East/West sides to lock it up. The North/South side could hinge down from the top. The East/West sides would be installed from the outside. If you had bug screen built into the East West sides, you could leave the East/West walls off to get fantastic airflow and the "outdoor experience" inside (e.g. through the night).
I REALLY hope you consider making this a kit. I can just imagine how amazing it would be to build this with my boys and then enjoying for decades to come!
The tires came a lot more forward. Almost too far. I think Charle's production model will have the tires somewhere between our original placement and our current placement. If you look at trailers of this size the axle placement tends to be more towards the middle vs. a traditional length teardrop. I'm right with you on the vertical pop up. That is something I have been studying and would love to see integrated into this design in the future.
Interesting concept.
Good seeing you on here!
I'd love to see something like this, but a bit smaller. like the 4x8 runaway cool camp, but that is 3 feet tall (inside) when in travel mode and 6 feet tall when extended
I'm glad to hear you say that. Because we can keep the weight down on this so well, I think this is a very feasible idea even for the lightest of tow vehicles. Charles will have a lot to think about after these comments.
@@PlayingwithSticks Don't Overload the Man(Charles) with all of these technical Ideas at 1 time,give him a chance to peruse then in due time,we don't want to burn him out!🤗
@@CJLane-62 I appreciate the concern, but my mind gets bored if I am not thinking about the next things. So keep the ideas coming please. I think a tilt up small trailer is fso much easier than this one that it is quite doable.
@@teardroplite I'm 61 and semi-disabled, and get burnt out pretty easily these days ,Glad to hear that You don't, if I could afford a 5 or 6 wide x 10 L,I would definitely get 1 of these,would easily be able to pull it with my 4.0L XJ, but it would have to be dang close to finnished as I don't Trust myself with power tools anymore, nerve damage in both arms, but Love the idea of a hard sided pop up without canvas!
Have a Great Day Sir!🇺🇸🤗🤗
@@CJLane-62 Actually no power tools will be required to asseble the kits. This trailer will not be sold as a kit, smaller ones will. They will have slef aligning reatures so all you do is apply adhesive from a caulking gun and insert a few fasteners to hold things until the adhesive cures. Then take the fasteners out and fill the holes with the same adhesive.
It looks great. As a parent of 3 kids, I'm always looking for a teardrop with enough space for the whole family. Right now that seems to only be the Bend 6x12, but we live pretty far from Oregon.
Pros - the height!
Cons - what are the seals/gaskets going to look like for the parts that "pop up"? Is that going to increase chances of leaking? I know the issues will be less, since it's not constructed of wood, but a leaky trailer still sounds crummy to sleep in.
Looks great!
I forgot to mention in this video that this trailer has 3 bunks. Don't read too much into that statement ha-ha. Like you a growing family is the basis for our design decisions. Thank you for being the first to tackle the pros and cons. Great point on the gaskets. I am excited to share that with all of you as well. I don't know all the details but I am assuming there will be a combination of seals/gaskets and tracks for routing the water. You are so right. If we don't get that part right that would really be crummy.
What about axel? I decided on timbrens drop 4" to keep height down. I went with 31 inch tires to get a bit more ground clearance.
It is currently axleless. Again, one of my reservations, but Charles says we can do it. It is Timbren with 15s. This puts the clearance at about 16 inches. In hindsight I probably should have went with 14s.
@@PlayingwithSticks I think 16 " gc is perfect.
Check out the Eco Tourer from Australia. A very similar concept but at a fuller size (they do have a smaller one also). You might get some ideas from it for sealing the sides when the roof is raised.
love it! can't wait to see more! I'm really interested in where it is leading to. I want one too! Especially if it will not cost $30k, which I doubt 😞 I wished you would have told us more about the history of the project unless you did a previous video I missed. I would like to know how it started, but really more so about how he built the box, how he built the panels.
This builder is an artist. But that big hatch looks like it'll be hard to maintain throughout the life of this trailer.
I am addicted to shapes that act like honey combs or rubber balls. Like how the cabinets of Shasta trailers of the 1960s were part of why they could bounce down a mountain road. (There were flaws to their design as well).
Again this project has been mulled over and you guys are using techniques previously used while experimenting. I am with you and I hope I make something this cool in my life. *Blessings meant.
Thank you for the kind words. The beauty of properly designed and made composites is that they do not move. The hinge and seals are the only things that may need a little maintenance many years down the road. And yes the hand layup process I used in this build took way longer than a production model will. I have many molds to make now so we can reproduce this build even lighter.
Any updates on this camper. I love the concept.
I have concerns about water runoff from the galley hatch to popup seam. Curious how that will be addressed.
Looks intriguing 🤓
Intriguing is a good word to describe it. It will surely be interesting. Looking forward to hearing from you Patrick.
This is fun! I need to watch again and was there another video before this one?
Would it be possible to put an industrial snap along the bottom inside of the galley hatch to attach a wind/rain/privacy screen? It should reach the ground with something loopy to stake it down.
We have been talking about a few options like that. I am thinking of the snaps used on sports car tonneau covers. You must lift a button to release them.
Have to say...pretty excited!
Thanks again Matt for being an active part of the Premiere today. I really appreciate your support.
@@PlayingwithSticks anytime Drew! It was a pleasure being on the live stream. It’s important to have a few active people to get the conversations rolling and encourage engagement. Stay safe out there.
@@FreysOnTheSide I had no idea the chat ends the minute the live feed ends. Next time I will need to do a post video chat. I was so excited to talk small camper trailers.
@@PlayingwithSticks ah yes. This is an unfortunate part of Premieres. I believe the only way to combat this is doing a live stream. Which might be kinda fun!
@@FreysOnTheSide I like your thoughts. I think our internet is stable enough over here to actually do a livestream.
Are you not concerned about some big company stealing this idea and making it their own? I think this is something special.
I know I am a bit crazy. And I am glad you think it is special. But I kind of hope they do. Well ultimately I hope Charles wants to take this on. He and I talked this over. When I decided to make the video I told him this would be out for the world to see. He was pretty confident his finished product would be tough to match. And if he doesn’t choose to take it on I would love to see this make its way to the public regardless of who tackles it. May and I have too many projects to tackle a trailer company at the moment. It would be fun, don’t get me wrong. I have a few other builds floating around my head that I would like to put to paper as well.
Really interesting design and concept. Is it UV protected?
Good question. Not in it's present state. This trailer still needs a few more carbon fiber layups and then on goes the paint.
@@PlayingwithSticks Almost all epoxy will break down from UV. Adding UV protection to epoxy compromises the physical properties. But even a coat of automotive clear coat would protect it. I think there will be a little exposed cvarbon fiber in the galley and it will be UV protected. The rest of the trailer will be painted a sort of retro two tone.
I would be losing my mind around the Star Wars stuff
It's going to be two tone right? Purple on top and Blue on the bottom with a Purple door?
Haha. It's funny what makes a decent RUclips profile picture could make a really ugly trailer in real life. But you have me thinking now....That would be pretty neat branding.
@@PlayingwithSticks haha...either way can't wait to see it complete!
Very cool
Thanks Kurt!
I LOVE composites! Any idea as to estimated weight?
I can’t remember but in the state it was in for the video it weighed somewhere between 400 and 600 pounds. I don’t know why the details are fuzzy in my brain right now. But once we finish it up it should be below 1000 lbs.
@@PlayingwithSticks I'm currently designing a 4X8 tear drop and the outer skin will be 1/16" fiberglass and epoxy, internal walls will be 2 layers of 1/2 plywood, cut into studs and pocket screwed together, in-between will be 1" pink styrofoam and the inner skin 1/4" birch plywood. Using the Harbor Freight trailer I'm targeting a dry weight of 650lbs. When bonding the panels I'm going vacuum bag it. Light and extremely stiff!
This is what I imagined my trailer to be! I want a solid composite on the popup- origami style. Have you figured out how to adjust for the curve and top?
Crazy stuff! I love the front roof panel opening, but I wonder about ridgidity. No interior walls to stiffen up lateral movement? How much is this thing going to cost to build? Super cool !
It should be really rigid when we are done. Those sides do not remain open. There will be composite interior walls made of the same insulation thickness to close out the trailer. No canvas on this build. I see the confusion in the video. Charles was saying even without the interior walls it had way less lateral movement than he thought it would. Basically patting himself on the back for a job well done. Haha. Once the interior walls come in this will eliminate the lateral movement. I am also curious about the cost. I know prototype 2.0 will be much less costly to build. First rounds are always tricky.
@@PlayingwithSticks It's not really relevant to me whether the popouts are rigid or canvas. In some ways, canvas is actually better because it's easier to replace and modify. Hard popouts will still have to break the seal when putting up or taking down and some panels that were outside and wet/dirty will end up inside. And if any of those panels get damaged when you're on the road or out in the wilderness, repairs are going to be a problem. Yes, there are some ways to mitigate some (but NOT all) of these issues, but then you're adding back in more weight and complexity and potential for things to go wrong.
I’m not quite sure about that. I agree moisture and dirt can get on components of this. Best practice would be to wipe it down or let it dry off. But in a pinch if I forget to do it, this trailer isn’t going to develop mold or degrade. Yes you have to take care of it like you would any trailer. But this should definitely outlast canvas and with less maintenance and care. In terms of field repair I just don’t see it. There’s going to be parts that may need repairing like hinge points seals things like that. I don’t picture a piece of carbon fiber splitting in the field. If that’s the case we have bigger issues than just the design of the pop-up features. The same scenario could happen on any hard sided trailer if poorly constructed. Pop up or not.
The top bunk is a structural element. That and added reinforcements around the opening mean there should be no movement of the shell at all. The rear is equally stiff as the countertop is also a structural element. The raised platform for the queen size bed that is placed across the centerline, not down centerline, stiffens the side walls a lot. The preformed carbon fiber 90 degree angles you saw me bonding to the outside of the floor/sidewall joint triple the stifness through that joint. The door opening is where I will have to add stiffness. I am using some advanced materials and building it much like I would the spar for an aircraft wing.
Any progress on this? I’m so excited to see it!
We have made decent progress, but not enough for the next video. I wanted to have the interior about 80% done in the next video. Basically giving a nice visual of what the final inside will look like.
@@PlayingwithSticks Antici…..pation!
@@LauraMoncur I think about that little trailer every day! The anticiation is killing me. Haha.
Very interesting Drew. I'm really looking forward to the upcoming build videos. Definitely combining some different concepts to make something special. It's a little early to provide much feedback as the total vision is hard to fully comprehend. One thing at this stage to think about is weight and balance. Location of water and other bits and pieces making sure to have a 15% tongue weight. What type of suspension, planning a bike carrier or roof rack of any kind? I think you are opening Pandora's box in a good way as the possibilities are endless. I'm curious to see how he addresses the structural rigidity or if it's just inherent in the design.
Hey Pat! Your video has performed very well. Again thank you so much. It took a weired turn in the algorithm and got its fair share of haters. But you did such a good job not stooping to their level. I so appreciate you! The weight and suspension has been a tough one for us. We put it on and off the scale. But so hard to determine at this point actual gear weight. Easy to build this for myself. A bit harder when thining of others. I never really realized how hard it is for manufacturers. There is a lot at stake in terms of liability and you have to base all the decisions of weight and balance off of what you think the average camper would haul. So tough. We currently have Timbren, but I am still wondering if that is the best option. Bike has tie-downs in the den. We are trying to really keep the aero principles in mind on this build. I have the same concerns about the structural rigidity. Obviously that door needs moved forward. The closeouts will definitely help. To me the weakest point appears to be the framing of the galley wall. But Charles feels very confident it will be strong.
@@PlayingwithSticks I think if you plan out the static weights correctly and make sure that dynamic loads are centered you should be ok. I'm very jealous as it it would be so much fun to work with someone to design the perfect "you" trailer. As I think through your build and what I might do the possibilities are so endless it would be hard to not get caught up in the over analysis phase...the old analysis paralysis thing :) Can't wait to see the final product...btw...never hurts to have a little off rodability..little clearance, skid plate ,etc to extend the usefulness but retain the design theme...just sayin...lol
@@pat9125 The composites used for the floor and spine are already designed to deal with off road. Very little hanging down to catch on anything, extremely durable fibers and core, toughened epoxy to deal with possible impact loads. Then it will get a coat of bed liner to avoid scratches. Clearance is 16" for most of the floor and 13" at the 3" x 4" spine running the length of the trailer at centerline.
Could you imagine if you could 3d print fiberglass/carbon fiber/Kevlar? With the ability to choose if you want the panel or section to be strong against compression, torsion separation, or such? Essentially being able to program the system and get the best strength to weight ratios you need for parts?
I had the same thought this summer. I can’t remember who I shared it with and somebody said they believe the technology is almost here. I wonder if that was Charles I was talking to? I’m getting my composite guys a bit mixed up in my head right now. Whoever I was talking about it was talking about 3-D printers used to build houses. Maybe that was Jennifer. Was it you? Such a busy year I’m getting everything in my head mixed up.
@@PlayingwithSticks nope wasn't me. LOL. Just thinking though the ability to lay down and create multi-fiber composite materials mixing fiberglass, kevlar and carbon fiber, in different orientations and thicknesses. would be interesting...
@@jenniferstewarts4851 Filiment winding and robotic placement of prepregs gets close to what you are thinking. 3D printing is largely using very short fiber reinforced thermoplatics and claiming to be printing reinforced parts. There are machines that pull continuous strand that is sort of prepreg mostly using melting plastic so not as strong as an epoxy matrix is. A machine could be built to run multiple heads loaded with different fibers. I have not seen that yet. But it could be happening somewhere. I do not think it is ready for mass production. But I am just now working with CNC machines for my plugs and molds.
And yes they are printing houses with concrete in various places around the world. Building codes will prevent that from happening in the US for a long time I think. One of the things I like about working with teardrop trailers is the lack of regulations. haha
@@teardroplite Yep, i'm not thinking of short fiber thermapasts. i'm am thinking on the industrial scale :) multiple head heads with the ability to apply different density of fibers as needed, and different types.
Far more "advanced" then what we have now. and far more sophisticated then a single line home printer. Comically, something more akin to an industrial auto-loom combined with a multi-reason system... (reason is mixed almost as needed. sprayed, then the system cleaned and cleared while the next sprayer takes over reducing waste and allowing for different reasons to be used as needed.
hehe. yeah i'm a complete nut job to think of something like this.
Looks interesting but it feels somewhat similar to the Taxa Cricket (except for the kitchen being outside). The Taxa Cricket even has 2 berths for 2 children. How does this design differs or improves on the Taxa Cricket?
Great question. At first glance this trailer may look similar to others you have seen. I completely get that. However as hard as this is to believe this trailer will come in when finished at under 1000 pounds. This trailer will have no canvas. This means no issues with rot and degradation. No having to set up the camper when you get home again to dry it out. And in terms of switching out composite for canvas you now have greatly increased your R-value with insulated sidewalls. Yes the kitchen is outside, but this trailer is plumbed for simple cooking in the morning for our toast and boiling eggs etc. so you can do the big fun outdoor set up or do a quick indoor set up when arriving to the campsite late. You may have missed it but this trailer has two bunks as well in the video, but there’s a third bunk that you haven’t seen yet. Don’t read too much into that third bunk 😂. In terms of aerodynamic design this one is leaps and bounds ahead of the cricket. Not seeing the cricket is a bad build but this has been built by an experimental aviation designer. Meaning aero was top priority for this build. There’s lots of other features that separate this from the Taxa and other trailers but I think this gives you a basic idea.
@@PlayingwithSticks eager to see the finished product, we are currently on the hunt for our first teardrop. So far the bean stalker is on top of the list with a couple others.
@@davidgarcia2691 The first hunt is so fun! So is the second and third 🤣 In my opinion I think you are on the right track with the Bean Stalker. Mark actually says he built that trailer with us in mind. If you have the funds for a trailer in that price range you will have a hard time beating the value of a Bean.
@@PlayingwithSticks valiants XTD is tied with the stalker for 1st right now. I don’t need all the off-road capabilities but the build quality and components he uses are hard to match.
@@davidgarcia2691 As an Alaskan I am a bit biased towards Jordan's builds as well. He is also a really great guy.
I know you focus on teardrops, but this looks to be a good basis for a small stand up trailer. An alternative to other FG trailers. It would be good to know how the shell is put together, as I've got a concept in my mind about a cool 17' short trailer that would fit in our garage.
I have a friend, who showed me my first teardrop here on my airport, who built just that trailer. Stand up bedroom with small stuffed chair, bathroom in the front, large screen in the galley. They are not off road campers. They are more social gathering campers. I call it glamping. Room for all sorts of experiences here.
@@teardroplite Yea, I just want to know how that's built- for the small "glampers"- the techniques and needs for small off road teardrops is very much the same as small "glampers".
That is a really neat build, but it has to cost a small fortune. I would love to have a composite trailer similar to this as my rig, but I guarantee it will be way outside of my budget. My dad is a boat builder so I have had a love of composites for a long time. The way they are building this trailer is incredibly foreign to me however. I am used to building a plug/prototype (usually out of cheap quick materials like plywood), then pulling a mold off of it. You can use that mold to make the final product over and over again. I will be interested to see how the various folding bits and seams hold up over time.
I am so sorry to hear about Charles Wilhite passing away.
Thank you for your kind words. He will be greatly missed.
whAT is the element built ??? its very interesting, and some one know what about this proyect??? the part 2
I am assuming you are asking what material was it built with? It is primarily built with carbon fiber. This is a lightweight, but very strong composite material.
@@PlayingwithSticks thanks sorry i forgot the correct word.....nice prototipe
@@graceormeno4625 I completely understand. You are way ahead of me. I forget almost every word in Thai daily. I will have it in the morning and by the afternoon it is gone. Haha.
Interesting -- esp the kit part -- but probably not for me, as I don' need or want the bunks. So it isn't even done and I want a smaller 1 or 2 person version. And while there a lot of smaller teardrops, not many in kit form and the ones that are are wood. (Though my wood kit built kayak is 17'3" and < 45 pounds...)
The kits will be exactly that. I believe his classic model is a 5x10 teardrop. Your kayak sounds like a dream. How cool.
I am so excited to see this! Will there be a bunk option that is two separate beds for 2 kids? Sometimes I see bunk advertised and it is a full size bed that the kids share, which is not what I am looking for. I am looking for a true bunk bed.
I have been on the hunt for something like this FOREVER it seems.
Never mind, I must have accidentally skipped over the first part of the video when I watched initially. That bunk setup is perfect.
I am looking forward to the release of this! So happy I found out about it NOW because I totally would have been obsessing over it for the last year, had I seen this post when it originally released 😂
This is such a needed set up! This is exactly what we have been looking for for our family of 4.
Pretty cool. How long has it taken to get to this point and how long are you guys guessing to completion?
Haha. This is a bit embarassing for Charles. Mainly because he thought it would go quicker than this. To get to this point it took about 6 months. If he was to repeat that segment it probably would take him a couple of weeks now. Completion will be about 1 to 2 more months total.
@@PlayingwithSticks The time frame is not that bad considering everything. It will be cool to see the finished product. I am sure you guys are excited to get a camper exactly as you want it.
@@garretlewis4103 More than you know! We were so smitten with our cargo trailer the first month. Then after three months we were all screaming to get back in the Bean. Is much as we love the Bean I can't imagine how good this new trailer will feel.