This Is What 1920s People REALLY Thought About Flappers
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0:00 Intro
1:17: A Flapper's Appeal To Parents (1922)
10:40: Flapper Jane (1925)
26:40: Flapper Americana Novissima (1922), Abridged Version
47:17: The Modern Girl And Why She Is Painted (1924)
1:05:21: What Becomes Of Our Flappers (1925)
1:11:02: Flappers And The Movies (1924)
1:13:25: Dr. G. Stanley Hall On Flappers (1924)
1:16:28: Mary E. Woolley On Flappers (1924)
1:19:10: Magistrate Bans The Word "Flapper" From Court (1923)
1:20:16: Flappers Are Not All Alike (1923)
1:21:48: Flapper Robs In Jail (1924)
1:23:08: George Fabian Studies Flapper Slouch (1922)
1:24:26: Girl Steals To Become A Flapper (1922)
1:26:29: Pennsylvania PTA Makes Dress Regulations (1923)
1:27:54: Would-Be Flapper Commits Suicide (1923)
1:28:58: Flapper Doll (1922)
1:29:47: Flappers Merely Humans (1922)
My Grandmother was born in 1901. On a farm. There wasn't a jazz bone in her body. 1920's barn dance, but not even that. My Grandfather played the concertina. But just old German songs. My Grandmother lived to ALMOST 100. She never did like to talk about 'the old days'. I was always sad about that.
The Greatest Generation didn’t get that name for being a generation of happy farmers unfortunately.
My Great Grandma was Clara Bows hairdresser at Paramount. She had nothing but good to say about her
It's too bad that you didn't get her stories from her history.
My parents talked, a lot. My grandparents didn't, as much, but I had a high school assignment, once, to interview them about their youth. It was so interesting! The most fun conversation I ever had with them.
@@trinacogitating4532 I tape recorded and interviewed them for a 7th or 8th grade assignment after their 50th wedding anniverary in 1970. I remember seeing the cassette in the 80's, but maybe/probably taped over it. Just ANOTHER thing I wish I had.
My Grandfather was born in 1896, and died in 1978. He was in relatively good health. But back then, even though they were nice/great people, they weren't the fun-loving, Nike wearing grandparents that grandparents are nowadays.
I used to love just sitting with my grandma and talking about when she was young and a young married woman.I was only a teenager but it was simply a joy. I loved my grandma very, very much and I miss her every day. Sometimes I still shake my head in awe when I remember that, as a child, her father drove the family into town by horse and wagon, and my grandma lived to see the space shuttle.
How smart to listen to her stories!❤❤❤
I wish you could have recorded her stories. That would have been cool.
@@patriciajrs46 I wish I had thought to do just that, or write them down. I can still remember some things that really surprised me. Like, she and her three brothers lived with their parents on a farm in Iowa. When she was 14 years old she was sent to Siloam Springs Arkansas to the home of her father's cousin. His wife had died, leaving him with children (I don't recall how many), and a house to run. My grandma was sent to keep house and look after the children, provide the cooking, laundry and so on, until the man could make other arrangements. Grandma said her father told his cousin that he had three months and then his daughter was coming back home. As I remember the cousin found himself a new wife in the required time and my grandma went back to Iowa when school began. She said she hated every minute of looking after the man and his home and children but that's what families did back then.
My great-great grandmother was a flapper. She would have been around 14 when the culture reached its peak, not well supervised, and eager to grow up and do more and be respected and remembered. She was like me. Thank God that girl didn’t have the internet, because I don’t know how much worse my Grammy (her granddaughter)’s vanity might have been if she’d had it!
Sometimes after family holiday dinners, we'd sit around the table and the "older folk' would reminess about the "old country". I learned a lot about how they lived and what they went through during the pogroms in Russia. Then they might talk about their young adulthood in the US. How poor my mother's family was. Grandmom was a single mother of 5 after her husband died. How my parents met, etc. I was enthralled by their conversation. I miss that warm experience very much.
Your people went through pogroms AS A REACTION to your universally disgusting behavior on their soil.
That you don’t understand why the world despised you is why your entire people’s history is exile from places you’ve been kicked out of before.
My grandmother said she danced with my grandfather because he was one of the few men wearing long sleeves. She didn’t bob her hair. But she wore the beaver coat, and drop waist dresses with high heels.
Amazing how the cycle repeats. It feels like these letters could have been written yesterday with some adjustments. The struggles in society are similar 100 years later.
Wow! What a wise and intelligent young Flapper who wrote that article!
To think.... these young flapper girls became adults during the great depression.
I imagine this situation + their husbands, and brothers and other loved ones being sent to war in ww2.
Food shortages, rations and being forced to go and work in factories to make bullets and other military needs.
I imagine this put an end to their carefree playful days.
I applaud you for being critical of your earlier work.
and having the oomph to admit it, and correct it!
My grandma was born in 1907. When she was teenager, her best friend would run up to her room, close the door then put rouge on their knees. They would dance around the room giggling!
That's funny.
My dad's sisters were flappers. They're long gone now, but i loved talking to them and hearing the stories of their young girl days. These flappers werent very different from me in my youth or my own daughter now that age. Just young, carefree girls who want to have fun and enjoy their youth. Smart young women with everything to look forward to. Always a couple of bad apples to make the whole group look bad. Always somebody to judge.
They were perhaps the first generation of women who could earn a living on their own at "professional" jobs, such as typists. It was in the 1920s that typing and secretarial work, as a profession, or "para"-profession, beacme largely feminized. Prior to the 1920s, these office jobs were mens' work.
Your content is so useful for anybody wanting to depict the 1920s accurately in a tabletop RPG. Thanks for that.
What does your acronym RPG stand for?
@@SweetChicagoGatorrole playing game
And 2Reeler channel
My aunt Gladys born 1900 lived in Chicago 1920s. She said speakeasies were fun, booze, music and dancing. Said Al Capone would sit at there table and tell jokes. Said he was the nicest man! Her husband a gangster name Isadore Goldberg was gunned down. His name is in Gangs of Chicago. She worked in a hospital as an accountant, I think she also did the gangs books also!! She was hidden by Treasury Dept people until they snuck her out of town. This and other stories told to me in the 1960s when I was 14 or so. Loved her so much.
As a native Chicagoan - who still resides in this great city - I enjoyed reading this. Wonder what hospital she worked at. Thank you so much for sharing.
born in 1895, my grandmother's family was occupied with survival
in southern Indiana
Every generation blames the one that came before 😮
@paulpowell4871 That's what the late George Orwell who wrote the dystopian novel, "1984" said about the generations! So true!
Tbf, that's makes more sense than blaming the current or future generations, past generations sometimes make mistakes that only work in the present but have serious future consequences
and every generation comes to mistrust the newness in the new
I blame boomers for messing up the education system so my generation (Z) didn’t get to learn of this generations mistakes- unless you sought out to learn it. But they took both parents out of the home and used celebrities to create a culture where intellectualism for knowledge sake is discouraged. As a result a lot of us are repeating history and we don’t have to.
Nah .. it's the next gens fault.. just look how good we're doing everything 😂
My older cousin was a flapper, by all accounts. My grandmother certainly bobbed her hair, she hated having her hair long. But she was very respectable. Those were the days of Prohibition, and she fully complied with it. The cousin, on the other hand, ran away from home at 16 and got into various kinds of trouble. So, within my own family I see different reactions to the 1920s.
Teenagers/youngers haven't changed much. That whole plea to parents and authority could be read and related to today. Also, clearly, making love to something meant something a little different than it does today.
My ears did a double take!
Flapper slang perhaps? The following "if necessary" ,😳
I think it meant no more than speak sweetly and treat gently.
@@magdlynstrouble2036 I think you are correct. I once overheard an old French man talk about 'making love' to a sweet little puppy another person was walking. He crouched down and just loved all over that little pup; scratching his ears, kissing his little face, and speaking sweet loving words to it. I was startled by his phrasing, but I understood what he meant from his behavior with the animal.
Hear, hear!
Back then many people were caught up in the good old days of 1900 to 1910 and had trouble adjusting to the roaring twenties.
You're channel is awesome. I do a lot of comics set in the 1920's and 1930's.
I like how you used Etre fashion mock ups advertising as some of the pictures.NICE! LOVE YOUR CHANNEL.keep it up!
Fascinating era!! My late beloved mother was born in 1908 but I don't know if she was a true flapper, she was kind of demure and even though she did have a bit of a wild streak and did rebel a bit, it wasn't like the real flappers of the 1920s, aka "The Jazz Era" and "The Roaring 20s"! She was in her teens then and had a rather strict Edwardian mother i.e. post Victorian era! My husband's grandmother born in 1899 was another story! She was in her 20s in the 1920s and was quite wild, she loved nightclubbing in NYC, smoke and drank and had a number of affairs! The Flappers were on the wild side and were the original liberated women after the stricter more laced up Victorian/Edwardian eras! It must have been shocking when they bobbed their hair, wore makeup, took up smoking, drank and danced the night away with their boyfriends/husbands! Had sex and used birth control, the diaghram introduced by birth control advocate Margaret Sanger who was jailed for her beliefs! My grown daughters have dressed up for Halloween as Flappers, the dresses, the long ropes of pearls and the headbands with feather boas! I was a professional fashion illustrator in NYC and studied the history of fashion in fashion art school in Manhattan in the late 1960s! Remember the late French fashion designer Coco Chanel was revolutionary and was respponsible for women dressing more modern and more comfortable! She introduced the material jersey and the blue and white horizontal striped pullover jersey inspired from French sailors! Thanks for the trip down memory lane! You've done a really lovely great job and commentary! Much appreciated!♥♥
wrong... birth control in the 1920s was only for marrried women indeed that is what Margaret Sanger intended.Your just bringing the 1920s stereotype back again,you don't know as much as i thought you did.
@@jahirareyes1102 Excuse me, I didn't know you knew everything about that era! "What you think of me, is none of my business"! lol
@@brendadrew834 Sorry,for being rude if i came across that way it wasn't my intention, but it's just when you say some of the things you do it reinforces stereotypes about the era all over again,so simply be careful on what you say since some of it may not be accurate,not saying i know it all but i have found out so many things people say blindly in comment sections are wrong,and well if your gonna say inaccurate things in the comment section it is going to matter, cause simply you would be lying to people,and people will get the wrong idea and it will spread and echo the incorrect things about that era , and anyways much of the things you stated in the 1920s especially are exclusive to America ,now Iam not saying it wasn't in other countries but flappers were mostly an american thing,in general and from all my research i have gathered and birth control in the 1920s was intended for married women anyways and also chaperoning was still very common int he 1920s.
@@brendadrew834 I never said ,i think of you in anyway why are you putting words in my mouth for?
@@jahirareyes1102 "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,… Sanger, Margaret (eugenicist, Nazi sympathizer & advisor; founder of planned parenthood) (USA) “The most merciful thing a large family can to do to one of its infant members is to kill it.” - Margaret Sanger (“Women and the New Race,” p. 67)
Ironically Hillary Clinton was a huge fan of hers (along with most feminists) and she use to hand out the Margaret Sanger Award but I guess when you think about it the Democrat party has always been angry their slaves were freed.
My grandmother was born in 1894. She was a farm girl and was no flapper but she did bob her hair. Her father did not speak to her for several months; he was quite upset. She worked in town at the J.C. Penney mail order store and when she married wore a lovely knee length white satin and lace gown. My mother was born in 1928, too late to be a flapper, but she knew how to do the Charleston and other dances and told stories of rolling down her brown cotton stockings on her way to school....once out of sight of the house! I enjoyed your program. Thank you for doing the research.
My grandmother was born in 1906, and I don't think she was a flapper, but she did talk about binding her chest to get that flat look, so she was following the trends anyway. She was a poor, New Jersey farm girl, so I don't think she was partying it up.
Flappers comes from the word birds, which was a term for prostitutes in Victorian Britain. Though the use changed to just mean young women over time and fell out of use in the nineteen seventies.
I love your videos, you always do great research and show passion for the '20s. It's great to reflect on times where most of us weren't even alive and see the similarities and differences between then and now. 😊
There was a huge difference between class, location, ethnicity, religion, etc. My great aunt was a Flapper. She was thrown out by her super religious stepfather. She dated a fellow who was involved with a speakeasy in NYC. They went to California and got married, then divorced after three years. Then she married a much older professor with whom she adopted two children, both part Mexican. Her husband died and she raised them on her own, never did remarry.
I worked for a couple that owned two restaurants, a bakery, jewelry store, in town for a long time. Betty Gustafson, the co-owner and wife was in her 80's to 90's when I worked for her and Ernie here in Nome in the 1980's to 1990's. She used to talk about being a flapper in the 1920's... it was so awesome to hear those stories of her young life. I miss those folks.
May you share some of her stories?
@@inr63 It was so long ago they both passed in the late 1990's. I remember she talked about her and her husband worked in the same bakery in Chicago, I think, and they used to have to keep their relationship a secret, she would really light up, talking about it. She also worked for a shoe store where it was very strict and you had to your best to sell some socks, polish, brushes, etc. along with the shoes, or else risk getting terminated. Even though she was considered wild by 1920's standards, she was still quite self disciplined and conservative compared to today's standards. Her husband Ernie was a traditionally trained master baker and master chef. Then they came to Nome and opened all those businesses as Nome Business Ventures. They helped a lot of people here when they were needed and all us Nomeites and villagers from the area loved them. We have a yearly raffle where you have to guess what day and time the Nenana river's ice will break. One year Betty and Ernie put there guesses in for April 31st, they became Alaska famous for a while after that. The story is in a book about funny things that happened in Alaska.
Oh!.... if you were working for her and tried to call in she would send a cab over to your house to try to convince you to go to work. Most of the early morning cab drivers would get a laugh out of it. In the restaurant business when you open up you have to get there at 5:00 am maybe 5:30 am at the latest to do everything you need to do to open up properly. Betty and the cab drivers knew that the person trying to call in was probably just hung over. lol. She would always tell me " You can't be happy in this town unless you're working".... as I moved on and got into public sector food service, I still worked for her any time she asked.
Any good flapper music you have or recommend
Just wanted to say your channel is a great resource! I use it as a reference for writing a 20s period piece :)
Flappers--The first "cool" people who sat at their own table during lunch hour and did not allow "squares", "nerds", or "dweebs" to sit with them.
"Lunch hour" lololol
This is Brilliant!! Thank you for all the hard work and research you put into these very authentic vignettes about the 1920s! I wish I could physically step back in time to witness the scenes - your body of work helps bring me closer to that time. Bravo, you!! xo
Unless the flapper knew where to buy condoms, thanks to the Comstock act the unwanted pregnancy rate and disease rate back then were high. Ground hard-core stage films were being distributed, too.
I find it interesting the similarities of young people today and 100 years ago, I feel a lot of same sentiment of wanting to change society and rebelling against the mediocrity of the status quo
There is barely anything to rebel at nowadays alot of taboos have broken,its done.
I have to keep reminding myself that these women are my grandmothers’ generation!
😊Thx so much for sharing this. I didn’t realize how much I would enjoy it so I subscribed 😊
My Gran was pretty cool...she was born in 1898 in Racine Wisconsin - one of 12 kids!...all girls... she lived a long life... died in 2000 in San Diego Calif...she used to tell me about her flapper days, going out drinking and dancing - then getting up and going to work in the morning. I miss her.
Flappers often seem to be very sad/lost
I wonder what made them that way???
@@goyonman9655 The Lost Generation
This is sound journalism. Good cadence, interesting content, historically informative and relevant to our times.
The gal (Ellen Welles Page) who wrote that newspaper article is wise beyond her years. Brilliant!
My dad’s family. They did barn dances, dances on homes. Called the dances, no flapper dances,. Maybe we were rural folk?
It was the time when my grandparents were in their Twenties. There are so many beautiful pictures of my grandmother as a young woman. This production helps me understand this time better.
The 1st letter could have been written during my teens and early 20's(60's & 70's). It could have been written during my children's teens and early 20's (90's-2010's). And now my oldest grandchildren are now in their late teens and 20's.
Precisely.
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
I love the longer video!
My mother was 10 years old in 1927. She looked really cute in her flapper, outfit and pose. Have every generation has its thing.
Flappers fascinating Topic ❤️👍🏻
Amazing how teens and 20somethings sound the same about their parents and grandparents across the ages or centuries. So freaking cool and sometimes surprising.
Great to see you're redoing old videos to make them better. Well done. q
Well done! I really enjoyed your narration in this video 😊😊
I knew a woman who felt " flapper " was an insult for loose woman .
Felt is for pool tables. What did she actually say?
@@argonwheatbelly637???
@@argonwheatbelly637buried in scarlet purple drawers😂
I’m glad that had a chance to have fun before the dark skies of WWII moved in
A lot, especially the garb, seems driven as a practicality of using the suddenly widespread automobile.
Doesn't sound that dissimilar to 2024. The youth just want respect like all others.
This is great listen!
My mom had a story about my aunt Vera trying to give herself a “boyish bob” and totally making a mess of it. And on the eve of a date with my future uncle Hans. It was a cute,funny story.
This is so good! Thank you!!
Just found your channel, very interesting!❤
I’ve Louise Brooks as wallpaper on my phone but these gals were miserably broken victims of pop culture/conspicuous consumerism
I am not very old, certainly not 100. However.. I do get the feeling I may be the last generation to fully understand the deeper meanings of this kind of speech. I hope not. Great video, thanks
I'm currently 48 years old. My great grandmother was a flapper in the 1920's, and she lived into her 90's in the 1990's (when I was a teenager.) I was lucky to have known her. Sometimes I feel like I'm the last remaining person on earth who knew a real flapper personally!
@@themaggattack: Never met my great-grandmother. She was born in 1850.
-Flappers, the party girls of the 1920s!
Very wow that films from the 20’s are 100 years old.
A 'leftover' at 25?! I think I prefer the 2020s to the 1920s.
Middle aged girl boss at 35. Forever alone.
@@EJisArete- whatchu doin, lil incel? lol
@@inr63 I'm doin your mom.
Love your channel thanks so much for your content
My grandma bobbed her hair when she was 15, and told us her father called her all manner of names. She was married a year later, Christmas of 25. Wow, almost 100 years ago. She picked cotton in Texas, as did her older kids. She once said if she had it to do over again, she wouldn't.
Wow, how strange that people are still being shamed. 100 years later!😮
Flappers sound like the 20s version of hippies… they were a small minority in the 60s but they were obsessed upon by the media
Wow they sure looked happy!
“…the brassiere has been abandoned since 1924…”
*applause*
That advice still works today!
i love this channel
This is a wonderful episode.
My grandmother, born in 1899, might have been a flapper. I don’t know. I know she danced and one time auditioned for Ziegfeld Follies. She never did too well and ended up as an extra in some early Hollywood movies.
Flappers were the 304's of their era.
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This is So Very interesting.
Living in the moment. 🐻
9:24 what 😳?
I think the meaning of that sentiment has changed over time. I sure hope so.
Eewwww
@@TheChristafershawnyes, back then it meant to show extra attention in a friendly way, like flirting or joking but not sexual. At least that’s how an old woman explained it to me.
I visited my high school English teacher in '72. She had a nice high school senior picture of her and I think she said in 1920. Her hair was just like the girl in the thumbnail photo cut straight across the brow and the rest cut straight across at just above the shoulders. She said that hair style was very rebellious at the time. I don't know if she wore short skirts or not but does that mean she was a "flapper"? Also ladies smoking was very rebellious back then.
Old films are kind of creepy knowing everyone has rotted away. I sometimes like to imagine everyone are skeletons playing their part.
As my grandfather said, "They were the good old days if you had money."
Now that’s a fact that transcends time!!
Wow just heard the first part ..some one should carve those words into stone or bronze and placed in a park wth a big statue that will last for a thousand years , or at the houses of state to remind us that are now in charge and owners of the world
@paxofpayne - HEAR, HEAR! My thoughts exactly; they’re words that will forever transcend time.
film producers didn't show the true flappers until 1926 up to 1929 at least the style.
cool article
The brazierre has been abandoned since 1924! Hahaha!
Lmao - ikr, that got me too 💀
I want a Flapper doll❤❤❤❤
The term "flapper" must be the precursor to the term teenager.
I'm surprised I lasted an hour. I listened with *2reeler* ch on autoplay w/ the volume down.
SAVE THE ORGANS...Play the organs!
Whats the intro song called please? Thanks
“Sweet Mama” by Duke Ellington
Id always figured flabbers were women in their 20's maybe late teens. But it makes so much sense young girls would wanna copy and be cool like the it girls on screen.
IN THE 1920'S THE OPERA HOUSE IN TOWN WAS BEGINNING TO BE REPLACED WITH VAUDVILLE AND THE SILENT FILMS FROM HOLLYWOOD,ALSO, THE VICTROLA WITH IT'S DISK RECORDS REPLACING CLASSIC OPERA,WITH RAG TIME AND JAZZ....BEFORE THE RECORD FOR HOME ENTERTAINMENT ALL GIRLS AS A SIGN OF REFINEMENT,WAS TAUGHT TO PLAY THE PIANO OR AUTOHARP WITH A QUILL...THE 1920'S WERE A SEA CHANGE AND A NEW SPECIES OF WOMEN WAS BORN-A MAGIC TIME.
Weird title. I’m sure it depends on which person in the 1920s you would be talking to.
Fun!
Hello,
Is the cute girl in your thumbnail the same one who played a hatcheck girl in Buster Keaton’s “Seven Chances?”
It’s been a while since I’ve seen that movie but I’m very sure that Colleen Moore (the thumbnail girl) wasn’t in it, unless it was one of those random cameos from a big star. I’m not sure who that actress is though.
@@The1920sChannel- what is the song in your opening credits?
Thank you, kindly, for all of your hard work/content btw. 🤍
No wonder grandparents get suspicious of your youthful activities as they really were young once😅
Ellen Wells’ letter was moving, but proves that the more things change, the more things stay the same. Smh.
It was the beginning of the end for America.
The advice at 9:25 is a little concerning.
Nowhere does this dude say what ppl thought about the flappers
Well, other than this odd opinion.
Fast forward 50 years from the flapper days and you have Cyndy Lauper lol. I believe every generation makes some sort of statement.
You're (I am not speaking to anyone specifically) great (or great-great, as the case may be) grandmother was NOT a flapper. She was either working, or married and having and raising children, and did not have time for such frivolities.
Flapper is that old and tamed version of 304?
The birth of the 304 😅