@@kj9093 he's more well known by not getting the perfect game. way more people remember him than Phil Humber. They didn't have replay at the time unfortunately. If they're going to go back and overturn this what about all of the other guys in the past- some of which costs teams games, playoff series, no hitters etc.?
People always say it's a can of worms but... is it really? Is there a SINGLE other case in the HISTORY of baseball that is as cut and dry as Galarraga? Is there a single change we could make that would cause less collateral damage? I really don't think so.
@kyle2441 Really bad spelling and grammar, but I think I know what you are asking. The salary of players has nothing to do with the growth of a sport. Baseball has lost a lot of the luster, and fandom it once had. Is it dying? No, that was an exaggeration by me. The point is, though, the game is struggling to attract younger viewers and build in the ratings. Manfred is the commissioner, and he is absolutely terrible and is doing a terrible job of growing the game in the U.S.
I don't think it should be changed. One of the most infamous plays that lead to one if the most memorable sportsmanship moments ever the following day. The way Armando and Jim Joyce handeled it afterwards was a great demonstration of admitting when you made a mistake and forgiveness of the mistake itself. If you change it then it historically undermines the importance of the call. The game is of legend because it is imperfect.
I can see both sides, but I like your point here. To me, Gallaraga's perfect game is more famous than all the others (maybe not Larsen's, cause that was in the World Series), and everyone respects him for having a real perfect game, even if it's not officially recognized as such. And his sportsmanship was amazing. Had that happened today, I can see a lot of pitchers who would have blown their top.
I can understand the Pandora’s box thing to an extent, but come on. Most questionable calls are not a clear cut and obvious as this one. This one isn’t even questionable. Put him on the list.
@@SirTylerGolfno. That’s not how it works. The second they cave in this, the requests will be made to change every perceived mistake. It isn’t a perfect game. People need to move on.
I disagree completely. If there ever was 1 single call to overrule over the last few decades in baseball, it's absolutely this one. And I completely am okay with the commissioner just saying straight up "this is it. Don't ask for any other changes to the books". Galarraga 100 percent deserves this place in history
@@noellutsey5620 you can disagree all you want, but just know you are objectively wrong. You can have an opinion, but there is no right to be right. As to making it contingent upon “never again” that’s naive at best bordering on delusional. If you do it once the outrage brigades will come out in force and make demands next time they don’t get their way. It happened the way it happened. He threw a one hit game. Stop the childish tantrums, accept it and move on.
@@noellutsey5620 you can disagree all you want, but just know you are objectively wrong. You can have an opinion, but there is no right to be right. As to making it contingent upon “never again” that’s naive at best bordering on delusional. If you do it once the outrage brigades will come out in force and make demands next time they don’t get their way. It happened the way it happened. He threw a one hit game. Stop the childish tantrums, accept it and move on.
He literally said here they don’t get many other requests to change rulings. Changing the ruling would end the conversation for the better. We all know he pitched a perfect game. The record books should reflect that.
@@mattbrown2645Only he didn’t pitch a perfect game. If he changed this then MLB would have to go back and take away no-hitters and perfect games that had bad calls go in the pitchers favor too
@@TL2354If there were any other modern games about which we were asking this kind of question, I’d agree. But there really aren’t any. And there very unlikely will ever be another since replay rules exist now. That is the key difference and why I think it should be changed in the record books. The real reason Manfred explains he hasn’t changed it is out of respect to former commissioner Bud Sieleg who made the original decision to keep the game as-is. But to me, the decision should not be about MLB officials, it should always be about the game itself. But that is often not how MLB leadership approaches controversy. As someone else commented here I believe, we’ll wait and see if the next commissioner may change it.
Why can't they overturn the call, add a second box score corrected next to the official one showing it was a perfect game and put an asterisk that it was an incorrect call that altered the outcome? Case closed! I'm a fan of all of baseball and the example MLB sets here is not acceptable to fans everywhere. Just like why can't the playoffs be the top 8 teams by win loss record in both leagues and a salary cap that levels the payrolls of all MLB teams?
Not only does it not change the outcome of the game, it doesn't change the score. It takes away a single infield hit from one player and removes a groundout from another. That's it. That's the entire collateral damage report.
Not disregarding a possible pandoras box or slippery slope, but I feel like this is a unique situation. This was the last out, that batter should be 0 for 3, not 1 for 3, and the next guy up is 0 for 3, not 0 for 4. Gallaraga nor the Tigers lost their cool, but they got the next guy out. If Cleveland had started to get more hits and runs, while they still say missed the last out, we cant go back and change all these stats and so for, even the batter who was incorrectly called safe, all your doing is taking his hit away. Yes he made it to 3rd, but on catchers indifference x2, no stolen bases taking away. My point is, its not like we have to change a bunch of stats and take hits/runs/rbis.......or even errors on the defense to correct this Also, this is affecting who won or loss, let alone a world series game, playoffs, standings, nothing of the sort......tigers would still finished at .500, Cleveland below .500. They even mention George Brett and the Royals vs yankees here. That was a different situation, the ump improperly called Brett out. The rule that they called him out on was misinterpreted. The deal with the pine tar was a rule put in place because too much pine tar on a bat was spoiling the baseballs, and it was up to the home team to supply the baseballs, so that rule was put into place to help keep costs down for teams. So the proper ruling should of been the BAT removed or not used again, and the homer should still count, just Brett couldnt use that bat.
Same man that called the Commissioner’s Trophy, the trophy give to the winner of the World Series, ‘A piece of tin’ while discussing the Astros cheating scandal. You remember that…that’s where Manfred decided that it was easier to give EVERY player immunity rather than hold them accountable.
Being from Detroit, I remember watching that game. Terrible call as admitted to immediately by the ump! If there was ANY dispute by ANYONE involved, then ok, but there is NOT, as was stated by the legal professor (and everyone else) . Literally, no one would be upset if MLB simply acknowledged an undisputed FACT. IT WAS A PERFECT GAME!
There are thousands of incorrectly called balls and strikes that have an absolute impact on a game where one to five games going the other way impacts division/playoff races. Joe Mauer’s foul call in 2009 ALDS could have changed that entire postseason in the Twins favor.
Those are all hypotheticals tho.. this one is totally different. Because there’s no what ifs involved. Gallaraga retired the very next hitter in order.
Its more of a historical event that he didn't get it, people talk about this more than any other actual perfect game He deserves it for sure but in the long scheme of things this will be talked about way more
To the people terrified about the precedent this sets, I'd love to see the list of situations in which A) the call doesn't impact the outcome of the game B) the call would have been the last play of the game C) Coaches and players of the opposing/benefiting team publicly agree the call was wrong D) The umpire who made the call publicly agrees it was wrong. And if there ARE more situations that fit those exact criteria, I say the ability to correct them in hindsight is a GOOD thing. Preferable to an umpire's momentary lapse of judgment permanently deciding on history, anyway.
MLB can do all sorts of things to crap on the history of the game from ghost runners to pitch clocks and advertisements on uniforms as long as it makes them more money or has the potential to increase their bottom line but they have no interest in righting a wrong. If they could monetize it in some way they would reverse this in 2 minutes.
I don't understand how this happens. I understand people blow calls, but, in that situation, before replay, if the call is remotely close wouldn't you call him out? The one thing you can't have happen, is what happened.
Rob Manfred we didn't want a political answer on this matter, we wanted you to do what was so clearly and obviously the right thing to do - and you did not. You have the power, but are too afraid to wield it.
The game is so much more significant because the call can't be changed. Who in 2024 is making a documentary about Dallas Braden's or Phillip Humber's perfect games? Armando Galarraga's legendary status lives because this happened. By the rules of the game, what the umpire says, goes. If the call is wrong, that's life. The George Brett case was a rules interpretation, not an on-field judgment of safe or out and by the rules at the time, you could protest the game and once every few years, you might see a successful protest. I was lucky enough to attend Johan Santana's no-hitter in 2012 and I still hear Gary Cohen joke about Beltran's ball hit down the line that was called foul by Adrian Johnson despite the ball nicking the chalk. That's just the way it is.
Commissioner is right on this one. Don’t change it. It’s better how it is ! Everyone knows he threw a perfect game! He threw a 28 out perfect game. He’s more famous now than he ever would have been had it been called correct. Jim Joyce is more respected now than he was before the call. This’ll go down as one of the defining games as to why baseball needed replay challenges. It’s awesome how it is.
My first action as commissioner would be to change it to an out and give Galarraga his perfect game. My second action would be to eliminate the 3 batter rule for a reliever to face which has destroyed the integrity of the game. My third action would be to restore the old extra innings rules. The current rule of placing a runner on 2nd has made a mockery of the game.
The ghost runner rule is T-ball!....speaking of perfect games, here's a hypothetical question: visiting team pitcher has a perfect game for 9 innings but his team is also being shut out. They don't score in the top of the 10th. In the bottom of the 10th with the ghost runner on second, the first batter hits a fly to right and the runner tags and goes to 3rd. Next batter hits another fly to right and the runner scores. The pitcher who just pitched a perfect game gets the loss. Now the question is: is it a perfect game because of the ghost runner? Or would they waive the rule in this instance? Does the pitcher get a loss after pitching a perfect game? I'd love to see it happen just to see the ruling!
@@eddiep147 Harvey Haddix threw 12 perfect innings back in 1959 so the new rules would have ruined that game. T-ball is right. They're just trying to get the game over with.
@@markbrenzel9419 Yep! My first game was a 14 inning 1-0 game and I loved every minute of it! If a fan finds the game too long, go home (or turn off the TV)!....and that's a good point about Haddix!
ghost runner sucks. 3 batter rule was long overdue. if a lefty can't get out righties he doesn't belong in the major leagues and it slows the game down to a screeching halt changing the pitcher for 3 or 4 batters in a row.
The hell with Pandora’s box and can of worms and all that stuff, he pitched a perfect game and everyone knows it and saw it and agreed it was. Even the umpire. It’s rare to see umpires care these days. He should be added to the perfect game list.
I know it hurts, but losing a perfecto on a bad call by the ump is no worse than losing it on a bad throw by a fielder or a passed ball by the catcher or a dropped fly ball. Armando Galarraga DID NOT pitch a perfect game. Something out of his control happened which caused him to lose it. Same type of thing has happened to LOTS of pitchers. Trying to get credit for Galarraga would be an insult to all those others. His just hurts more because he was SOOOOOOO close, only to lose it on a really bad call on the last out. It is what it is. A one-hit shut out. There have also been cases where a pitcher had bad calls go his way. Balls called as strikes, or a runner called safe when the throw actually beat him. Do we go back and "fix" those calls, and take "undeserved" perfect games or no-hitters OFF the books?
I'll never understand how people like Manfred who are such an insult to the game are elevated to these positions. People like him are such an insult to those who actually respect the game and have a modicum of common sense.
Similar situation to Glen Allison. He bowled the first 900 series in bowling. However the rules at the time deemed it uncertified due to lane conditions that are legal today. Yet the USBC will not go back and recognize it as being official even though it happened.
The problem would be it would separate itself from all the other perfect games in history. Which is, he faced 28 batters, not 27. Would have been nice had the correct call had been made, but no other perfect game in history had the pitcher had a base runner on. It just wouldn't feel right 14 years later, regardless of how badly he got screwed that game.
This is an amazing story. It’s far more memorable than any actual perfect game. It shouldn’t be changed. And yes, if they changed it - there would be many more cases for different plays that would have to be changed. It happened. It’s an awesome story. Leave it alone.
Unless the team you root for threw a perfect game, or your team was the victim of a perfect game, how many perfect games does the average fan remember? EVERYONE remembers this game!
I'm just curious. What other calls in MLB history are people worried about having to be included in something like this? Has there been another perfect game robbed at some point besides this one?
I’m a Mets fan and if they do this then I wonder if they take johan Santana no hitter away with Beltrans foul ball actually being fair in the 6th inning. Hence opening Pandora’s box
It's a shame this happened Manfred is correct. Where does changing things stop? Do you change the '85 world series and the blown call at first in game 6? Game 1 of the 1996 ALCS and the Jeter HR? This list can go on and on. Sometimes our greatest moments in life are how we handle adversity. I think in 2024 this would have been met with less class than Joyce and Galarraga showed that day. Perfect game no but outside of Don Larsen probably more famous than the rest of them.
There are significant differences to those and the perfect game being changed. 1.) The perfect game blown call was on the last out. If it was in the middle of the 5th inning and Galarraga still faced the minimum amount of batters and only gave up 1 hit, people would be understandably infuriated still, but I don't think to this extent where people are constantly calling for a change. 2.) In almost every other baseball blown call scenario, there's never been a time where everyone involved in the play has admitted it's the wrong call. And right away too. Not defending it for 10-15 years, and then admitting it's wrong down the line. Right away, everyone knew it was the wrong call. 3.) Changing the call doesn't change the outcome of who wins and loses. The Tigers still win. If the blown call led to a 4 run inning where the Guardians (then Indians) win, no one would call for the change because it'd completely change the record books. In this case, it'd only change Changing the outcome of Jeter's Home Run, or changing the 85 World Series game 6, could. In this scenario, the change only negatively impacts Jason Donald's career batting average/on-base percentage, because instead of getting a hit there, it's taken away. People that talk about changing Galarraga's perfect game as if all of the sudden every fan of every team will be on the hunt for every blown call in MLB history and demand change are clearly following a slippery slope fallacy.
@@TheTigerfan99 Fair points but I still disagree. However, I agree it's a unique play in history and what the record book says does not accurately reflect his incredible pitching moment. BTW, I see your a Tiger fan. i assume from Detroit as well. I've toured Commerica. Great stadium and Detroit style pizza is awesome.
I’m sure there have been other instances where a call cost a pitcher a no-hitter or perfect game. Perhaps it was a missed called third strike on a hitter who later in the at bat got the team’s only hit of the game. But, the missed call happened to be in the 5th inning. You can’t go back and change that call either because it alters the rest of the game. This one stands out more because of when it occurred in the game. Therefore, I kind of agree with what Manfred is saying. It’s challenging to change one official record because then you feel like you have to change other outcomes. At least instant replay has fixed some of the problems. I still think there needs to be automated strike zones. That would fix a lot of the missed calls.
As much as I wish Armando Galarraga was given a perfect game but it's sad to say he may or may not get it because of the times MLB did use replay for outs and safe at the time. There's an old saying you can't change or alter history.
@@brandonneumann5294 the only new rule i don't like is the ghost runner. everything else has been fine. his policies/implementations haven't been horrible. he gets in trouble with fans when he says words and tries to make sentences
@@theabsoluteWOAT every commissioner of every sport is always hated. It’s like a ritual and usually people follow and hate what they see other people hating. The pitch clock is a must. Yeah I’m not a fan of the dh in the national league and the ghost runner but the game needed a spark. And manfred taking the old head stance of denying reality that everybody knew he threw a perfect game because we can’t upend tradition is the one thing you shouldn’t be celebrating. This is a rare case of something historic that was the closing play and he did it and the game should have been over. There’s no yeah but or what if
I get it. Otherwise you could overturn balls and strikes after the fact (which are also judgment calls). Yes being safe or out is a judgment call, which we can probably see from replay and there's a pitchers box for balls and strikes. Imagine it being a last strikeout in the world series or something.
I think the big issue no one wants to mention is Don Denkingers blown call in the Cardinals Royals World Series. If Armando gets a perfect game then the argument starts that that World Series should be fixed. I don't think the commissioner or anyone else wanted to even bring that up. Even though it's a shame Armando doesn't have it it's the most famous perfect game in history because he doesn't. They should just leave it alone.
The game is still played and officiated by human beings, no matter how much current analytics has tried to push and pull players in different directions, resulting on many inefficiencies in the sport. As a result we now have endless shifts, a pitch clock and a 50 year low in Batting average which is dragging down the other 3 hash line stats. Slugging, On base and Ops; the most important stat for hitters if you change this call why cant the Cardinals become the 1985 champion.? After all, an umpiring error on a play at first base by Don Denkinger preventd yhe Cardinals from winning game 6 and thereby, the series versus KC
if they change this call they have to go back and change tons of others which you can't do. are they going to take away Johan Santana's no hitter when Beltran hits what should have been a double called foul which was clearly fair?
You can’t change a ruling of a batter reaching or not in a game that happened years ago. Fans need to get over this and move on. It’s not a matter of who the commissioner is. No commissioner in the future is gonna change this ruling.
They took 2 hits off Ty Cobb's record AFTER Pete Rose broke what he thought was the record. They added an RBI to Hack Wilson's career record 190 to 191. Of course they can change it.
Not liking the circustance and it sucks for Galarraga But bad calls happens all the time, that was why they introduced replay system Bad calls change the outcomes of games, sometimes even crucial postseason games If it doesn't get fixed right during the game, changing it after the game concluded will open a flood gate If Galarraga can get the record change decade after the game being played Everyone that ever gets a bad calls would want to do it too
YES THERE WAS another perfect game that was lost due to a blown call at first base. 1994 June 23rd Bobby Witt lost a perfect game when Gary Cederstrom called Greg Gagne safe when he was clearly out with 1 out in the 6th. That was the only base runner. Bobby Witt would have had a perfect game otherwise. How is this game not remembered by the people who made this documentary? Or anybody else for that matter!
because it wasn't the last play of the game. once a runner reaches people lose interest. he also doesn't have the same pressure on him the rest of the game after giving up a hit.
Would open up Pandora’s box for other plays that were wrong to be changed meanwhile they integrated the negro league stats into mlb stats when they never played each other sounds like they already opened Pandora’s box 😂 oh the hypocrisy kills me
because the only way for MLB Commissioners to lose their job is either retire or be fired by the owners because that's who he works for, the players have zero say in who the Commissioner is because the owners control his job.
This is a friggin joke. It actually makes me wanna quit watching the game bc of the "human error" aspect of the game that the purists seem to love so much.
No one will care if you quit watching the game. I don't think it should be changed. One of the most infamous plays that lead to one if the most memorable sportsmanship moments ever the following day. The way Armando and Jim Joyce handled it afterwards was a great demonstration of admitting when you made a mistake and forgiveness of the mistake itself. If you change it then it historically undermines the importance of the call. The game is of legend because it is imperfect.
Bud Selig is the worst MLB commissioner in the history of the game. He looked the other way during the steroid era & did again in this situation. Hypocrites & cowards! Pathetic!
Says the guys who says the stupid "ghost runner" in extra innings is something we should live with as well. The Galarraga missed call is a stand alone unique event in the history of baseball that should easily be listed amongst the very short list of Perfect Games. It's time to correct this wrong. Simple. Change it.
Idiotic. This guy can't get anything right. This is a chance to actually do something that 100% of the world's baseball fans want and agree with and he is too obtuse to seize the moment.
Jim Joyce was a great umpire who blew a call and felt terrible about it. we have clowns like Buckner Angel and Laz Diaz who are terrible umpires and smug clowns.
This will be the only instance this ever happens so change the damn ruling. I hate his political tip toeing he’s doing around the matter. He acts like we’re all stupid
Man sports fans are some crybabys😂 get over it nobody would be talking about that game rn if they had reversed the call back then and literally everyone knows that he had a 28 out perfect game so what difference would it make to turn change it now?
And this is just another of the million reasons that people hate Rob Manfred as commish.
We can change hits to errors, but we can't change this???
What would changing this do for the game?
@@MrFooliofocker It would correct an egregious mistake and give a guy his rightful place in baseball legend.
@@kj9093 true and it still stinks that it happened but then it wouldn't be as memorable.
@@kj9093 he's more well known by not getting the perfect game. way more people remember him than Phil Humber. They didn't have replay at the time unfortunately. If they're going to go back and overturn this what about all of the other guys in the past- some of which costs teams games, playoff series, no hitters etc.?
@@tommyfu9271Name one play, just ONE, where the players, coaches AND umpires ALL agree that the wrong call was made. Go ahead, name one.
Manfred doesnt have the guts. Period.
@@1BigIlliniFan he doesn’t have the guts to cave to public pressure? If he caved that would be cowardice not bravery.
People always say it's a can of worms but... is it really? Is there a SINGLE other case in the HISTORY of baseball that is as cut and dry as Galarraga? Is there a single change we could make that would cause less collateral damage? I really don't think so.
This is why baseball is dying. Manfred is a smug jerk.
If baseball is dieing, why are Salarys and team value trending in the opposite directing ?
@kyle2441 Really bad spelling and grammar, but I think I know what you are asking. The salary of players has nothing to do with the growth of a sport. Baseball has lost a lot of the luster, and fandom it once had. Is it dying? No, that was an exaggeration by me. The point is, though, the game is struggling to attract younger viewers and build in the ratings. Manfred is the commissioner, and he is absolutely terrible and is doing a terrible job of growing the game in the U.S.
Except baseball isn't dying. It's actually on the rise.
@@kyle2441is your mother dead?
Should be changed. Very unique circumstance. Clearly wrong call and the game ends if the right call was made.
This is the most famous perfect game, not thrown by Don Larsen.
The Imperfect Game will be immortalized.
Horrible commissioner!
Name one that isn’t
Bud Selig? It happened under his tenure. Lol cmon.
I don't think it should be changed. One of the most infamous plays that lead to one if the most memorable sportsmanship moments ever the following day. The way Armando and Jim Joyce handeled it afterwards was a great demonstration of admitting when you made a mistake and forgiveness of the mistake itself. If you change it then it historically undermines the importance of the call. The game is of legend because it is imperfect.
I can see both sides, but I like your point here. To me, Gallaraga's perfect game is more famous than all the others (maybe not Larsen's, cause that was in the World Series), and everyone respects him for having a real perfect game, even if it's not officially recognized as such. And his sportsmanship was amazing. Had that happened today, I can see a lot of pitchers who would have blown their top.
I can understand the Pandora’s box thing to an extent, but come on. Most questionable calls are not a clear cut and obvious as this one. This one isn’t even questionable. Put him on the list.
Definitely, if they just started it off with "we're doing this once, don't ask for it again" I think everything would be fine
@@SirTylerGolfno. That’s not how it works. The second they cave in this, the requests will be made to change every perceived mistake. It isn’t a perfect game. People need to move on.
I disagree completely. If there ever was 1 single call to overrule over the last few decades in baseball, it's absolutely this one. And I completely am okay with the commissioner just saying straight up "this is it. Don't ask for any other changes to the books". Galarraga 100 percent deserves this place in history
@@noellutsey5620 you can disagree all you want, but just know you are objectively wrong. You can have an opinion, but there is no right to be right.
As to making it contingent upon “never again” that’s naive at best bordering on delusional. If you do it once the outrage brigades will come out in force and make demands next time they don’t get their way.
It happened the way it happened. He threw a one hit game. Stop the childish tantrums, accept it and move on.
@@noellutsey5620 you can disagree all you want, but just know you are objectively wrong. You can have an opinion, but there is no right to be right.
As to making it contingent upon “never again” that’s naive at best bordering on delusional. If you do it once the outrage brigades will come out in force and make demands next time they don’t get their way.
It happened the way it happened. He threw a one hit game. Stop the childish tantrums, accept it and move on.
He definitely should be awarded his perfect game!!!
It’s ridiculous. Just change the ruling. This is so far and away a one-of-a-kind occurrence we all remember. No-brainer.
What would changing the ruling do at this point? It wouldn’t mean anything. All it does is open up a Pandora’s box.
He literally said here they don’t get many other requests to change rulings. Changing the ruling would end the conversation for the better. We all know he pitched a perfect game. The record books should reflect that.
@@mattbrown2645Only he didn’t pitch a perfect game. If he changed this then MLB would have to go back and take away no-hitters and perfect games that had bad calls go in the pitchers favor too
@@TL2354If there were any other modern games about which we were asking this kind of question, I’d agree. But there really aren’t any. And there very unlikely will ever be another since replay rules exist now. That is the key difference and why I think it should be changed in the record books. The real reason Manfred explains he hasn’t changed it is out of respect to former commissioner Bud Sieleg who made the original decision to keep the game as-is. But to me, the decision should not be about MLB officials, it should always be about the game itself. But that is often not how MLB leadership approaches controversy. As someone else commented here I believe, we’ll wait and see if the next commissioner may change it.
Why can't they overturn the call, add a second box score corrected next to the official one showing it was a perfect game and put an asterisk that it was an incorrect call that altered the outcome? Case closed! I'm a fan of all of baseball and the example MLB sets here is not acceptable to fans everywhere. Just like why can't the playoffs be the top 8 teams by win loss record in both leagues and a salary cap that levels the payrolls of all MLB teams?
Okay. Basically no change on the Armando gallaraga perfect game while manfred is commissioner. Gotta wait until the next commissioner
And I have to say most likely it will be the same way with the new commissioner as well!
@@Michael-gu5kl as it should be.
its only disputed cuz the ruling was absolutely wrong
Changing it does not affect the outcome of the game. Tigers still win
Not only does it not change the outcome of the game, it doesn't change the score. It takes away a single infield hit from one player and removes a groundout from another. That's it. That's the entire collateral damage report.
Not disregarding a possible pandoras box or slippery slope, but I feel like this is a unique situation. This was the last out, that batter should be 0 for 3, not 1 for 3, and the next guy up is 0 for 3, not 0 for 4. Gallaraga nor the Tigers lost their cool, but they got the next guy out.
If Cleveland had started to get more hits and runs, while they still say missed the last out, we cant go back and change all these stats and so for, even the batter who was incorrectly called safe, all your doing is taking his hit away. Yes he made it to 3rd, but on catchers indifference x2, no stolen bases taking away. My point is, its not like we have to change a bunch of stats and take hits/runs/rbis.......or even errors on the defense to correct this
Also, this is affecting who won or loss, let alone a world series game, playoffs, standings, nothing of the sort......tigers would still finished at .500, Cleveland below .500.
They even mention George Brett and the Royals vs yankees here. That was a different situation, the ump improperly called Brett out. The rule that they called him out on was misinterpreted. The deal with the pine tar was a rule put in place because too much pine tar on a bat was spoiling the baseballs, and it was up to the home team to supply the baseballs, so that rule was put into place to help keep costs down for teams. So the proper ruling should of been the BAT removed or not used again, and the homer should still count, just Brett couldnt use that bat.
Same man that called the Commissioner’s Trophy, the trophy give to the winner of the World Series, ‘A piece of tin’ while discussing the Astros cheating scandal.
You remember that…that’s where Manfred decided that it was easier to give EVERY player immunity rather than hold them accountable.
If we had a walking talking breathing commish, this would be taken care of
Does that mean the blown first-base call by Don Denkinger in the 1985 World Series (Cardinals vs. Royals) gets overturned as well???
No, but thanks for asking.
Or the play where Kent Hrbek lifts Lonnie Smith's foot off of the base during the 1987 World Series?
@@Michael-gu5kl that was 1991.
@@JNDRFL1 I'm pretty sure that was 1987 cause he was with the Cardnials then
@@Michael-gu5kl '91 series and it was Ron Gant but, yes plenty of bad calls in critical situations in the history of Baseball.
Manfred’s gotta go! Let’s get the pitchforks out 😂
Just give Armando Galarraga the redemption. The MLB IS going to get more bigger, more greater.
Being from Detroit, I remember watching that game. Terrible call as admitted to immediately by the ump! If there was ANY dispute by ANYONE involved, then ok, but there is NOT, as was stated by the legal professor (and everyone else) . Literally, no one would be upset if MLB simply acknowledged an undisputed FACT. IT WAS A PERFECT GAME!
Rob Manfred hates baseball
There are thousands of incorrectly called balls and strikes that have an absolute impact on a game where one to five games going the other way impacts division/playoff races. Joe Mauer’s foul call in 2009 ALDS could have changed that entire postseason in the Twins favor.
Those are all hypotheticals tho.. this one is totally different. Because there’s no what ifs involved. Gallaraga retired the very next hitter in order.
Its more of a historical event that he didn't get it, people talk about this more than any other actual perfect game
He deserves it for sure but in the long scheme of things this will be talked about way more
To the people terrified about the precedent this sets, I'd love to see the list of situations in which
A) the call doesn't impact the outcome of the game
B) the call would have been the last play of the game
C) Coaches and players of the opposing/benefiting team publicly agree the call was wrong
D) The umpire who made the call publicly agrees it was wrong.
And if there ARE more situations that fit those exact criteria, I say the ability to correct them in hindsight is a GOOD thing. Preferable to an umpire's momentary lapse of judgment permanently deciding on history, anyway.
As a Tigers fan, I don’t think it should be changed. In 2010, human error was part of the game. It happened. Let it be.
Interesting
MLB can do all sorts of things to crap on the history of the game from ghost runners to pitch clocks and advertisements on uniforms as long as it makes them more money or has the potential to increase their bottom line but they have no interest in righting a wrong. If they could monetize it in some way they would reverse this in 2 minutes.
I don't understand how this happens. I understand people blow calls, but, in that situation, before replay, if the call is remotely close wouldn't you call him out? The one thing you can't have happen, is what happened.
Rob Manfred we didn't want a political answer on this matter, we wanted you to do what was so clearly and obviously the right thing to do - and you did not. You have the power, but are too afraid to wield it.
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The game is so much more significant because the call can't be changed. Who in 2024 is making a documentary about Dallas Braden's or Phillip Humber's perfect games? Armando Galarraga's legendary status lives because this happened. By the rules of the game, what the umpire says, goes. If the call is wrong, that's life.
The George Brett case was a rules interpretation, not an on-field judgment of safe or out and by the rules at the time, you could protest the game and once every few years, you might see a successful protest.
I was lucky enough to attend Johan Santana's no-hitter in 2012 and I still hear Gary Cohen joke about Beltran's ball hit down the line that was called foul by Adrian Johnson despite the ball nicking the chalk. That's just the way it is.
he should have been fired the moment he said the world series trophy is just a piece of metal. I haven't watched since.
Come on dude, you are a commissioner and a man, have some balls and do the right thing. Show integrity by doing the right thing.
How about this, put it in the record books as the ONLY 28 out perfect game.
Commissioner is right on this one.
Don’t change it.
It’s better how it is !
Everyone knows he threw a perfect game! He threw a 28 out perfect game.
He’s more famous now than he ever would have been had it been called correct. Jim Joyce is more respected now than he was before the call.
This’ll go down as one of the defining games as to why baseball needed replay challenges. It’s awesome how it is.
if they had replay ,to challenge, back then he has his perfect game!!
It was the final out. That is going to be a very small box if it is opened. Just do the right thing.
Manfred should quit mlb you have ruined mlb
My first action as commissioner would be to change it to an out and give Galarraga his perfect game. My second action would be to eliminate the 3 batter rule for a reliever to face which has destroyed the integrity of the game. My third action would be to restore the old extra innings rules. The current rule of placing a runner on 2nd has made a mockery of the game.
The ghost runner rule is T-ball!....speaking of perfect games, here's a hypothetical question: visiting team pitcher has a perfect game for 9 innings but his team is also being shut out. They don't score in the top of the 10th. In the bottom of the 10th with the ghost runner on second, the first batter hits a fly to right and the runner tags and goes to 3rd. Next batter hits another fly to right and the runner scores. The pitcher who just pitched a perfect game gets the loss. Now the question is: is it a perfect game because of the ghost runner? Or would they waive the rule in this instance? Does the pitcher get a loss after pitching a perfect game? I'd love to see it happen just to see the ruling!
@@eddiep147 Harvey Haddix threw 12 perfect innings back in 1959 so the new rules would have ruined that game. T-ball is right. They're just trying to get the game over with.
@@markbrenzel9419 Yep! My first game was a 14 inning 1-0 game and I loved every minute of it! If a fan finds the game too long, go home (or turn off the TV)!....and that's a good point about Haddix!
ghost runner sucks. 3 batter rule was long overdue. if a lefty can't get out righties he doesn't belong in the major leagues and it slows the game down to a screeching halt changing the pitcher for 3 or 4 batters in a row.
@@tommyfu9271 Well, you could also argue a left handed batter doesn't belong in the majors if he can't hit a left handed pitcher.
Manfred is wrong 99 times out of 100.
This was the one he isn't.
The hell with Pandora’s box and can of worms and all that stuff, he pitched a perfect game and everyone knows it and saw it and agreed it was. Even the umpire. It’s rare to see umpires care these days. He should be added to the perfect game list.
This is the right decision, there would be arguments for games 100+ years ago that would be subject to change
I know it hurts, but losing a perfecto on a bad call by the ump is no worse than losing it on a bad throw by a fielder or a passed ball by the catcher or a dropped fly ball. Armando Galarraga DID NOT pitch a perfect game. Something out of his control happened which caused him to lose it. Same type of thing has happened to LOTS of pitchers. Trying to get credit for Galarraga would be an insult to all those others. His just hurts more because he was SOOOOOOO close, only to lose it on a really bad call on the last out. It is what it is. A one-hit shut out. There have also been cases where a pitcher had bad calls go his way. Balls called as strikes, or a runner called safe when the throw actually beat him. Do we go back and "fix" those calls, and take "undeserved" perfect games or no-hitters OFF the books?
I'll never understand how people like Manfred who are such an insult to the game are elevated to these positions. People like him are such an insult to those who actually respect the game and have a modicum of common sense.
Similar situation to Glen Allison. He bowled the first 900 series in bowling. However the rules at the time deemed it uncertified due to lane conditions that are legal today. Yet the USBC will not go back and recognize it as being official even though it happened.
My heart wants to say yes, my brain wants to say no. Dangerous precedence to set if yes.
The problem would be it would separate itself from all the other perfect games in history. Which is, he faced 28 batters, not 27. Would have been nice had the correct call had been made, but no other perfect game in history had the pitcher had a base runner on. It just wouldn't feel right 14 years later, regardless of how badly he got screwed that game.
This is an amazing story. It’s far more memorable than any actual perfect game. It shouldn’t be changed. And yes, if they changed it - there would be many more cases for different plays that would have to be changed. It happened. It’s an awesome story. Leave it alone.
Exactly, it sucks for Galarraga but they could start changing alot of things similar to this right?
Unless the team you root for threw a perfect game, or your team was the victim of a perfect game, how many perfect games does the average fan remember? EVERYONE remembers this game!
I'm just curious. What other calls in MLB history are people worried about having to be included in something like this? Has there been another perfect game robbed at some point besides this one?
I’m a Mets fan and if they do this then I wonder if they take johan Santana no hitter away with Beltrans foul ball actually being fair in the 6th inning. Hence opening Pandora’s box
It's a shame this happened Manfred is correct. Where does changing things stop? Do you change the '85 world series and the blown call at first in game 6? Game 1 of the 1996 ALCS and the Jeter HR? This list can go on and on. Sometimes our greatest moments in life are how we handle adversity. I think in 2024 this would have been met with less class than Joyce and Galarraga showed that day. Perfect game no but outside of Don Larsen probably more famous than the rest of them.
There are significant differences to those and the perfect game being changed.
1.) The perfect game blown call was on the last out. If it was in the middle of the 5th inning and Galarraga still faced the minimum amount of batters and only gave up 1 hit, people would be understandably infuriated still, but I don't think to this extent where people are constantly calling for a change.
2.) In almost every other baseball blown call scenario, there's never been a time where everyone involved in the play has admitted it's the wrong call. And right away too. Not defending it for 10-15 years, and then admitting it's wrong down the line. Right away, everyone knew it was the wrong call.
3.) Changing the call doesn't change the outcome of who wins and loses. The Tigers still win. If the blown call led to a 4 run inning where the Guardians (then Indians) win, no one would call for the change because it'd completely change the record books. In this case, it'd only change Changing the outcome of Jeter's Home Run, or changing the 85 World Series game 6, could. In this scenario, the change only negatively impacts Jason Donald's career batting average/on-base percentage, because instead of getting a hit there, it's taken away.
People that talk about changing Galarraga's perfect game as if all of the sudden every fan of every team will be on the hunt for every blown call in MLB history and demand change are clearly following a slippery slope fallacy.
@@TheTigerfan99 Fair points but I still disagree. However, I agree it's a unique play in history and what the record book says does not accurately reflect his incredible pitching moment.
BTW, I see your a Tiger fan. i assume from Detroit as well. I've toured Commerica. Great stadium and Detroit style pizza is awesome.
I’m sure there have been other instances where a call cost a pitcher a no-hitter or perfect game. Perhaps it was a missed called third strike on a hitter who later in the at bat got the team’s only hit of the game. But, the missed call happened to be in the 5th inning. You can’t go back and change that call either because it alters the rest of the game. This one stands out more because of when it occurred in the game. Therefore, I kind of agree with what Manfred is saying. It’s challenging to change one official record because then you feel like you have to change other outcomes. At least instant replay has fixed some of the problems. I still think there needs to be automated strike zones. That would fix a lot of the missed calls.
Pointless. Every baseball fan knows the guy threw a perfect game.
Rarely have I heard the phrase “pandora’s box” used correctly.
As much as I wish Armando Galarraga was given a perfect game but it's sad to say he may or may not get it because of the times MLB did use replay for outs and safe at the time. There's an old saying you can't change or alter history.
Your personal opinion is shared by 90%+ of fans that draw revenue, views, streams, attentions, to the MLB
unfortunately, this is one of manfred's more reasonable stances. and that's really saying something
Aka you’re the old guy who hated the new rules but likes that he’s taking the old school stance of not changing what has happened previously
@@brandonneumann5294 the only new rule i don't like is the ghost runner. everything else has been fine. his policies/implementations haven't been horrible. he gets in trouble with fans when he says words and tries to make sentences
@@theabsoluteWOAT every commissioner of every sport is always hated. It’s like a ritual and usually people follow and hate what they see other people hating. The pitch clock is a must. Yeah I’m not a fan of the dh in the national league and the ghost runner but the game needed a spark. And manfred taking the old head stance of denying reality that everybody knew he threw a perfect game because we can’t upend tradition is the one thing you shouldn’t be celebrating. This is a rare case of something historic that was the closing play and he did it and the game should have been over. There’s no yeah but or what if
Same people who can't make the hall of fame better. They're just stubborn and old-fashioned no matter what the detriment to the game is.
Can’t change history. No challenging calls at that time.
I get it. Otherwise you could overturn balls and strikes after the fact (which are also judgment calls). Yes being safe or out is a judgment call, which we can probably see from replay and there's a pitchers box for balls and strikes. Imagine it being a last strikeout in the world series or something.
I think the big issue no one wants to mention is Don Denkingers blown call in the Cardinals Royals World Series.
If Armando gets a perfect game then the argument starts that that World Series should be fixed. I don't think the commissioner or anyone else wanted to even bring that up. Even though it's a shame Armando doesn't have it it's the most famous perfect game in history because he doesn't. They should just leave it alone.
I’m not a fan of Rob Manfred, but I have to agree with him on this.
Armando knew he had a PG .. and thats all that matters
The game is still played and officiated by human beings, no matter how much current analytics has tried to push and pull players in different directions, resulting on many inefficiencies in the sport. As a result we now have endless shifts, a pitch clock and a 50 year low in Batting average which is dragging down the other 3 hash line stats. Slugging, On base and Ops; the most important stat for hitters if you change this call why cant the Cardinals become the 1985 champion.? After all, an umpiring error on a play at first base by Don Denkinger preventd yhe Cardinals from winning game 6 and thereby, the series versus KC
It actually sad that they aren’t over it yet
WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL!? IT CLEARLY WAS A HORRIBLE CALL GOOD LORD
Galarraga was robbed!!! I watched that game. Horrible call 😢
if they change this call they have to go back and change tons of others which you can't do. are they going to take away Johan Santana's no hitter when Beltran hits what should have been a double called foul which was clearly fair?
Breaking news: MLB awards perfect game to Armando Galarraga! In a related story MLB awards Cardinals the 1985 World Series title!
Why’s everyone acting like that call was with 2 outs in the 9th of game 7?
You can’t change a ruling of a batter reaching or not in a game that happened years ago. Fans need to get over this and move on. It’s not a matter of who the commissioner is. No commissioner in the future is gonna change this ruling.
They took 2 hits off Ty Cobb's record AFTER Pete Rose broke what he thought was the record. They added an RBI to Hack Wilson's career record 190 to 191. Of course they can change it.
Not liking the circustance and it sucks for Galarraga
But bad calls happens all the time, that was why they introduced replay system
Bad calls change the outcomes of games, sometimes even crucial postseason games
If it doesn't get fixed right during the game, changing it after the game concluded will open a flood gate
If Galarraga can get the record change decade after the game being played
Everyone that ever gets a bad calls would want to do it too
Manfred is on the take
Manfred is the biggest reason that baseball is not growing. His attitude is simply terrible
I hate how Manfred is such a buttboy for Selig.
YES THERE WAS another perfect game that was lost due to a blown call at first base. 1994 June 23rd Bobby Witt lost a perfect game when Gary Cederstrom called Greg Gagne safe when he was clearly out with 1 out in the 6th. That was the only base runner. Bobby Witt would have had a perfect game otherwise. How is this game not remembered by the people who made this documentary? Or anybody else for that matter!
because it wasn't the last play of the game. once a runner reaches people lose interest. he also doesn't have the same pressure on him the rest of the game after giving up a hit.
Hard to be a worse commissioner than Selig, but Manfred pulls it off. He’s just awful at the job all the time.
Would open up Pandora’s box for other plays that were wrong to be changed meanwhile they integrated the negro league stats into mlb stats when they never played each other sounds like they already opened Pandora’s box 😂 oh the hypocrisy kills me
How is he still Commissioner? He hate baseball.
because the only way for MLB Commissioners to lose their job is either retire or be fired by the owners because that's who he works for, the players have zero say in who the Commissioner is because the owners control his job.
he hates baseball more than I hate soccer but he's right about this.
Can you destroyed the game and he said there was no more Oakland yeah right we was going to build at Howard Terminal
no then they would have to take away Santanas no no.
He's a 🤡, the precedent was set with the George Brett game. He needs to do the right thing
Rob Manfred has been a disaster as Commissioner. A CHILD COULD DO BETTER... !
This is a friggin joke. It actually makes me wanna quit watching the game bc of the "human error" aspect of the game that the purists seem to love so much.
No one will care if you quit watching the game. I don't think it should be changed. One of the most infamous plays that lead to one if the most memorable sportsmanship moments ever the following day. The way Armando and Jim Joyce handled it afterwards was a great demonstration of admitting when you made a mistake and forgiveness of the mistake itself. If you change it then it historically undermines the importance of the call. The game is of legend because it is imperfect.
Bud Selig is the worst MLB commissioner in the history of the game. He looked the other way during the steroid era & did again in this situation.
Hypocrites & cowards! Pathetic!
The worst man to ever hold the position of commissioner
This guy is an atrocity to baseball
Says the guys who says the stupid "ghost runner" in extra innings is something we should live with as well.
The Galarraga missed call is a stand alone unique event in the history of baseball that should easily be listed amongst the very short list of Perfect Games. It's time to correct this wrong. Simple. Change it.
there have been tons of bad calls in baseball history. what about the rest?
Idiotic. This guy can't get anything right. This is a chance to actually do something that 100% of the world's baseball fans want and agree with and he is too obtuse to seize the moment.
it would be idiotic to change it 10 years later. there have been tons of bad calls throughout the history of baseball.
Jim Joyce should've been fired and banned for life after that game
What so let me get this straight you have NEVER made a mistake at your job before? GTFOH
Jim Joyce was a great umpire who blew a call and felt terrible about it. we have clowns like Buckner Angel and Laz Diaz who are terrible umpires and smug clowns.
Manfred's a bum
God forbid you reevaluate issues and errors in your league’s history. Would hate for things to be corrected
BS commish…….straight up BS, deflate your. Ego a bit and admit its the right thing to do, and do it
This will be the only instance this ever happens so change the damn ruling. I hate his political tip toeing he’s doing around the matter. He acts like we’re all stupid
Worst commissioner in sports
Resign Manfred!! You are the worst ever!! 🤬
Terrible commish
Cowardly commissioner
Man sports fans are some crybabys😂 get over it nobody would be talking about that game rn if they had reversed the call back then and literally everyone knows that he had a 28 out perfect game so what difference would it make to turn change it now?
Tigers won the game, that’s all that matters
No. Just no
Manfred is a joke
Pure bullshit