The kaizons were a mix of cardassians and klingons. After both didmnt work, it was logical to move to the borgs. At least the cardassians could be fixed with the dominion
What I think the problem with the Borg is is to write good stories with them while preserving their "mystique" for a lack of better words. The Borg are very different from your standard foe type. They are not interested in politics, they don't do manipulation or mind games, and they are so vastly alien in mindset. They are a type of foe that needs to be very carefully used in order to remain effective and not diminish them as a threat like sadly happened in Voyager at some point. At no point should the crew have been willing to attack a Borg ship unless they had no other choice or they had a really major advantage. And the moment single Starfleet ships can wipe out Borg vessels with ease the threat the Borg represent is over. I do think the Borg should have appeared from time to time in Voyager, the Delta Quadrant is their home territory after all, but I feel that after Scorpion they were not really used well. Personally I would have liked to have seen more of the Hirogen, another foe that is powerful and enigmatic and can not be reasoned with in general. They don't care for political power, they can not be bribed (well not normally), they don't want Voyager's technology, and they don't easily give up.
That was one of many problems with Voyager. Over-used one of the most formidable antagonists in Star Trek history and turned them into complete chumps. Easily the worst of the 5 pre-CBS live action series.
In a sitcom format too! And of course it would be have to be called "Keeping up with the Cardassians". It would be a crime against Federation law not to.
People joke about it but younger me was devastated the first time I saw "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" on a tv listing and I tuned in expecting to see Cardassians. I was not a good speller.
Great job Rowan. You didn't just talk about Garak and Dukat the whole video, which is what everyone else does. The Obsidian Order thing was pretty effective. The beginning is so detailed.
The problem was, none of the Cardassian episodes, showed how their social pressure caused their men to become transgenders. Or was that the 'Kardashians'?
One of the reason I love the episode 'The Wounded' is that the Cardassians are so well developed in that single episode. You get the scheming Gul Macet, Glinn Telle who is simply doing his job by trying to hack into the Enterprise computers as ordered by Macet (but then to save face Macet chastises him in front of Picard), and then we have Glinn Daro who seems an honestly nice guy and tries to make friends with O'Brien. In one episode we are introduced to this new bad guy race and immediately see that as with humans they aren't all bad.
Also, talking of The Wounded, I'm almost ready to start finally writing that Cardassian War fanfiction, for fanfiction.net (The Ranks of Death - probably; CaptChris42)
Gul Dukat is my hands down favorite Star Trek villain and in my top 5 favorite characters of all time. Honestly if Dukat (not Marc Alaimo's original Cardassian) had ever been onscreen at the same time as Picard my brain would melt. No exaggeration. Garak is my #1 character, I love his charm, his quips, and that whole spy thing (which is 100% slander against a simple tailor)
Both of the actors behind Dukat and Garak made them icons in how to play gray and self obsessed type characters. They are my go to when I come up with a character to add more gray then one note bad guys
But Garak did say at one point that he felt he'd joined the wrong secret service when Julian Bashir invited him to join in that James Bond holo program.
For me, Nog was a character I hated at first, But became a very likeable one following his desire to join starfleet. his characters maturing was a great turn.
There was an episode where Jake was behaving suspiciously, and Sisko finds out that he was teaching Nog how to read. That one really warmed me to all three characters, and I was pretty *meh!* about Jake and Nog when they were first introduced because I felt they were written as friends because there weren’t other characters their age.
Genuinely my favorite character in the series in terms of character development. Rom is high on that list as well. The Dominion war gave us so many great stories.
I don't think anyone would deny that Marc Alaimo was THE Cardassian in Berman-era Trek but I also think Casey Biggs' Damar deserves a shout out too. From a one note underling to a ruthless right hand man to broken puppet King to freedom fighter. I loved his character at the end and Biggs had the acting chops to carry it.
The genius of the Cardassians in the beginning was that you never quite knew what was going on with them. There was an oh-so-perfect mixture of transparency and chicanery, which created an unsettling feeling. "I know you're pulling something, but I'm not sure what and I can't quite prove it." Brilliant.
5:57 Gul Ocett in The Chase isn’t the first female Cardassian. That was Jil’Orra, Gul Madred’s daughter, in Chain of Command Part 2. She visited while Picard was being interrogated.
true, but Ocett was the first one where the character got enough screentime to really get a feel for the character. Jil’Orra was only on screen for a fairly brief time and most of what we know about her came from what her father told picard about her. plus, the scenes in chain of command were pretty poorly lit making it harder to get a good look, while Ocett appeared in plenty of well lit scenes
Andrew Robinson, who played Garak, wrote DS9: A Stitch in Time, which not only shed light into Garak's past but was an eye opening look into the Cardassian way of life before and after the Dominion occupation. Great book if you can get your hands on it.
I think you vastly underestimate the value of a tailor. You have in a tailor who is used to dealing with people and knows that one size does not fit all.
@@umadbroimatroll7918 I liked them best in DS9 when they were more of a layered society. And on TNGs The Chase, when we saw the first female cardassian Gul Osech (however you spell her name)
Damar deserved to get mentioned. He appeared a bit late into ds9, but he was just great. Not garak or dukat tier, but just below. Also, glad to see you liked bashir in the end.
I am in the middle of a rewatch of ds9 and it is just amazing how god duet is, one of the best episodes of the series and in the first season non the less. In generall as far as bad first seasons in star trek goes i really enjoyed most of season 1 ds9. But by good julian was anoying as hell, i forgot how bad this character was until they made him geneticly enhanced. Also nice to see the star trek books mentioned some of them are really good.
@@kristophertower3476 Cardassians are just a stand-in for Germans even in some dialog lines you can change Cardassian to german and yo will get a typical german stereotype
it was one of the most beautiful episode ever told. a man so distraught with what happen during the war he thought to make amend for his people. plus a glimpse on how much more then bad guy of the week they were
Was looking through the co.ments to see if anyone else mentioned it. I haven't been able to read it yet and it is technically "Fan Fiction" but it is supposed to be a very good read. It takes place after the events of DS9 but includes flashbacks to prior too including what he did to get exiled.
They already based Romulans off ancient Roman society and the Klingons were stand ins for Cold War Russian and then peace time Japan (with feudal Japan and Viking culture), so maybe they didn’t want another real world analogy
Well, the Circassians aren't really anything like the Cardassians, the Circassians were a small society driven to virtual extinction by a Russian genocide, so they are closer to the Bajorans than the militaristic and conquering Cardassian empire. It makes some sense that if you want to draw on their real-life parallels to not use Circassians for the conquering imperialists.
While I know what you mean, I think that was on purpose. Drive us fans crazy with ideas, but they never have to say what. But we all know Odo is great with it
Great video. I'm a huge TNG & DS9 fan and Marc Alaimo's portrayal of Gul Dukat was probably the best played character in Star Trek history to my opinion. The Cardassians were very well fleshed out in DS9 and their superiority complexes sometimes even rivaled the Romulans. It's a shame that they never appeared in any films.
Cant express my love for star trek, and the fact that people make relevant videos about the "good old" series makes me warm to the soul, I am sincerely grateful!. +1 internet to you my man. cant believe i have missed your content untill now.
wow I didn`t know the source of inspiration for Galor class, I thought it was just a fish haha Also yes, I think Bashir became a lot better through series
Yeah he started out as uncomfortable to watch, he was such a creepy nice guy, but he's kinda one of my faves by the end, love the friend dynamics between him and Garak as well as Miles. Was less sure about his Ezri romance, since she only had 1 season I would have preferred to see her single for it since I always enjoy romances more when I get to see the characters develop apart first.
@@Frankforsthoevel which in my opinion kinda makes it worse since that part of her didn't like him that way for the past 6 seasons. I like Ezri, their romance just didn't do it for me. I'm reading some of the books now and they end up breaking up and I think I prefer that.
love the Cardassians, though i might be biased. while on a surface level we know very little, the writing is very stong and carry's a huge amount of subtext. i've covered this in several of my own videos focusing on the Bajoran Occupation and the Cardassian Border wars. but essentially Gul Madred is the ultimate source and he tells us everything we need to know. they are really tragic villains, pulled down a path of militarism by desperation. and it costs them in the millions. when they try democracy it gets stamped out by the klingons, and that leads them to selling their souls to the dominion, all out of desperation, a society that is just barely hanging on.
Great video! Only wish you'd mentioned the novel "A Stitch In Time" by Andrew Robinson, an "autobiography" of Garak in the form of letters to Bashir, which Garak writes as he helps rebuild Cardassia after the Dominion War. It's one of my favourite ST novels.
My favorite character from Star Trek, was Captain Sisko's goatee. I found it was a much more nuanced character than Commander Riker's beard. Second favorite character would be any Tribble. I would have watched a show about a Tribble eating grain and found it better than anything Voyager did.
i loved this video! cardassians are one of the more interesting races for me and garack is a heavy contender for if i was to pick a single favourite character from the star trek universe "you'll be surprised at what one hears while hemming mens trousers" :P
You have WOW/Teldrassil music score running in the background - what a fantastic combination. I, honestly, have considered this part of the WOW OST to be very Trekish since I´ve been listening to it for the very first time. Along with the Westfall score (the one with the horns), to say the least :)
The best meme image I saw was of garage in conversation someone with the text being “reality tv? Yes, actually I do remember that our kind did dabble in that particular form of psychological torture several hundred years ago...however back then we spelt CARDASSIAN differently”
A nice video on one of my favorite alien species from Star Trek. Wait a minute Stu Charno!? The prankster from Friday the 13th part 2 helped create the Cardassians. The shit you find out.
Gul Dukat isn't only interesting because of Alaimo's perfect performance or because of quite nice writing, but also because he was...well...it's very interesting and enlightening to see how a shadow of a CHARACTER created a divide between a writer(or whatever he was: Ira) and actor itself(Alaimo). Basically Ira was convinced that Dukat is a "Space Hitler"(not true, he can only be some Colonel or the like) and Alaimo was on the side of "Dukat did nothing wrong"(well, not exactly, it's much more nuanced). It's a fascinating character, honestly probably one of the best ST has produced next to Picard, Kirk and Spock. High praise that. (oh and Garak, a simple tailor, often easily overlooked)
there were a couple of snipets from Voyager you missed that contributed to the Cardassians, specifically the doctor's episode with the Cardassian doctor called Nothing Human.
To expand further on Cardassian culture read "The Never Ending Sacrifice" and "A Stitch in Time." The latter is about Garak and is written by Andrew Robinson
That's one thing I enjoyed about DS9. They gave us a more in depth of each species first introduced in TOS and TNG. Also had more episodes that didn't involve starfleet. When you mentioned the Cardassians could have their own spin off. I agree, Something I would watch. Would like to see more spin offs solely based on other species
Great video--totally agree that the Cardassians turned out to be one of the better TNG creations and DS9 did an amazing job of expanding them. Garak and Dukat were awesome and I'd love to see videos on them!
I loved that episode with David Warner as the Cardassian officer also - two acting heavyweights facing off each other (I think they often wrote episodes like that for Patrick Stewart, another being The Drumhead). But I think Alaimo is my all-time favorite Cardassian next to Andrew Robinson - and in my opinion one of the best Star Trek villains ever, mainly because he's such a complex character...And to give him this weak point, his faible for Bajoran women and have him ultimately brought down by that rather than by one of his grand-scale villainies is simply a stroke of genius. I'd never seen Marc Alaimo before but I found him a great actor from the start - that dangerous stillness, that Piranha smile - he reminded me a lot of Christopher Plummer in a way. He scenes with Louise Fletcher toward the end of DS9 were a joy to watch because those scenes with pairing off acting heavyweights, that's always where the best scenes come from (see above). I've noted that some of the species in Star Trek are actually based off real-life, historical Earth civilizations - the Klingons, for instance, were partly based of the Russians (their initial look), the Vikings (Stovokor = Valhalla) and perhaps a little bit of Japanese warlord culture thrown in. The Romulans were, of course, partly based on ancient Romans. The Bajorans I would say resemble Tibetans or Nepalese a little bit; their spirituality is really quite similar to Buddhists in a way, and their Kai could be a reference to the Dalai Lama. So could one perhaps say that the Cardassians are based off the Chinese (the Chinese after the Cultural Revolution in any case). I always thought their hairstyle was a dead giveaway; with their hair combed back from their faces, they looked as if they's jumped straight out of a Mao Zedong propaganda poster! And the occupation of Bajor could be a reference to the Chinese occupation of Tibet, couldn't it? Anybody here got any background knowledge on that?
Dukat & Macet are also cousins in a series of 4 books called Mission Gamma, which continues DS9 under a new Commander called something like Elias Vaughn. Some characters were uncomfortable with Macet's presence because he looked so much like Dukat.
"...the Borg were another suggestion, however they were felt too powerful to be a regular reoccurring villain"
Janeway: Hold my coffee!
The kaizons were a mix of cardassians and klingons. After both didmnt work, it was logical to move to the borgs. At least the cardassians could be fixed with the dominion
What I think the problem with the Borg is is to write good stories with them while preserving their "mystique" for a lack of better words.
The Borg are very different from your standard foe type. They are not interested in politics, they don't do manipulation or mind games, and they are so vastly alien in mindset.
They are a type of foe that needs to be very carefully used in order to remain effective and not diminish them as a threat like sadly happened in Voyager at some point.
At no point should the crew have been willing to attack a Borg ship unless they had no other choice or they had a really major advantage.
And the moment single Starfleet ships can wipe out Borg vessels with ease the threat the Borg represent is over.
I do think the Borg should have appeared from time to time in Voyager, the Delta Quadrant is their home territory after all, but I feel that after Scorpion they were not really used well.
Personally I would have liked to have seen more of the Hirogen, another foe that is powerful and enigmatic and can not be reasoned with in general.
They don't care for political power, they can not be bribed (well not normally), they don't want Voyager's technology, and they don't easily give up.
lol, nice one
That was one of many problems with Voyager. Over-used one of the most formidable antagonists in Star Trek history and turned them into complete chumps. Easily the worst of the 5 pre-CBS live action series.
Shame new trek has no where near the creative talent like back then.
I would love episodes on Gul Dukat and Garak.
In the works :)
@@RowanJColeman love to hear it :)
I don't what you could possibly fill a video with for Garak. The man is merely simple tailor. Nothing remarkable certainly.
In a sitcom format too!
And of course it would be have to be called "Keeping up with the Cardassians". It would be a crime against Federation law not to.
Check out Media Zealots' video on Dukat. He does "Villains too stupid to exist"
It’s good to see Rowan keeping up with the Cardassians.
People joke about it but younger me was devastated the first time I saw "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" on a tv listing and I tuned in expecting to see Cardassians. I was not a good speller.
@@Handicrafti lmao
You got through the whole thing without a single Kardashian joke.
Great job Rowan. You didn't just talk about Garak and Dukat the whole video, which is what everyone else does. The Obsidian Order thing was pretty effective. The beginning is so detailed.
Maybe, but I sure as hell didn't get through watching it without doing so.
Hmm maybe CBS could make a new show in the format of a reality show and call it Living with the Cardassians.
The problem was, none of the Cardassian episodes, showed how their social pressure caused their men to become transgenders. Or was that the 'Kardashians'?
What, like he's keeping up with the Cardassians. That sort of thing.
One of the reason I love the episode 'The Wounded' is that the Cardassians are so well developed in that single episode. You get the scheming Gul Macet, Glinn Telle who is simply doing his job by trying to hack into the Enterprise computers as ordered by Macet (but then to save face Macet chastises him in front of Picard), and then we have Glinn Daro who seems an honestly nice guy and tries to make friends with O'Brien. In one episode we are introduced to this new bad guy race and immediately see that as with humans they aren't all bad.
Also, talking of The Wounded, I'm almost ready to start finally writing that Cardassian War fanfiction, for fanfiction.net (The Ranks of Death - probably; CaptChris42)
Great episode
@@chrissonofpear1384 did you write it?
When Picard gets captured... man that episode rocked. "How many lights do you see?" The acting between that pair was about Emmy level.
There are four lights!
No, it was actually very good
Gul Dukat is my hands down favorite Star Trek villain and in my top 5 favorite characters of all time. Honestly if Dukat (not Marc Alaimo's original Cardassian) had ever been onscreen at the same time as Picard my brain would melt. No exaggeration. Garak is my #1 character, I love his charm, his quips, and that whole spy thing (which is 100% slander against a simple tailor)
Both of the actors behind Dukat and Garak made them icons in how to play gray and self obsessed type characters. They are my go to when I come up with a character to add more gray then one note bad guys
@@redkommie80 Really _DS9's_ entire second-teir cast (and first line too) are a masterclass in nuanced characters.
But Garak did say at one point that he felt he'd joined the wrong secret service when Julian Bashir invited him to join in that James Bond holo program.
I thought the character arc of Damar was brilliant in DS9. I'm surprised you didn't mention him.
I'll talk about that more when I get to my DS9 Retrospective/Review.
Isn't Damar played by the ex-husband of the actress who played Torres in Voyager?
@@christianealshut1123 Yes he is, although they were already divorced long before either of them was cast
Yeah Damar’s story is great. I especially liked his battle with alcoholism for some reason.
@@Michael.Eddington damn cardis love their liquor, typical
For me, Nog was a character I hated at first, But became a very likeable one following his desire to join starfleet. his characters maturing was a great turn.
There was an episode where Jake was behaving suspiciously, and Sisko finds out that he was teaching Nog how to read. That one really warmed me to all three characters, and I was pretty *meh!* about Jake and Nog when they were first introduced because I felt they were written as friends because there weren’t other characters their age.
@@Alligator81 I was really high and exhausted when i saw that episode. I cried for 11 minutes like a lil b*tch
Genuinely my favorite character in the series in terms of character development. Rom is high on that list as well. The Dominion war gave us so many great stories.
Garek is my favorite spoon-head!
*DATS WAYSIST!!!!*
garAk
Elim Garak is the best character in Trek. Period.
But he's just a simple tailor!
Garek is my favorite spoon-head *in this part of galaxy*
I don't think anyone would deny that Marc Alaimo was THE Cardassian in Berman-era Trek but I also think Casey Biggs' Damar deserves a shout out too. From a one note underling to a ruthless right hand man to broken puppet King to freedom fighter. I loved his character at the end and Biggs had the acting chops to carry it.
I'm so glad we never saw anymore Cardassians with that cursed "beard."
Masset would have made a decent leader.
The OG armor was cool though!
@@trekker105 OG?
@@OpeningSalvo original
@@trekker105 Ah! 👍
David Warner vs Patrick Stewart is one of the best storylines in Trek history
The genius of the Cardassians in the beginning was that you never quite knew what was going on with them. There was an oh-so-perfect mixture of transparency and chicanery, which created an unsettling feeling. "I know you're pulling something, but I'm not sure what and I can't quite prove it." Brilliant.
5:57 Gul Ocett in The Chase isn’t the first female Cardassian. That was Jil’Orra, Gul Madred’s daughter, in Chain of Command Part 2. She visited while Picard was being interrogated.
true, but Ocett was the first one where the character got enough screentime to really get a feel for the character. Jil’Orra was only on screen for a fairly brief time and most of what we know about her came from what her father told picard about her. plus, the scenes in chain of command were pretty poorly lit making it harder to get a good look, while Ocett appeared in plenty of well lit scenes
Andrew Robinson, who played Garak, wrote DS9: A Stitch in Time, which not only shed light into Garak's past but was an eye opening look into the Cardassian way of life before and after the Dominion occupation. Great book if you can get your hands on it.
Garak just a humbled tailor I laughed so hard
That look O’Brien had when the Cardassians beamed aboard.
Like a belligerent drunken Irishman? Dime a dozen.
I think you vastly underestimate the value of a tailor. You have in a tailor who is used to dealing with people and knows that one size does not fit all.
John le Carre' would agree.
But no one's ever said, "First, let's kill all the tailors."
@Drew Taylor 1
"du cat and garak are probably worth an entire video each"... will hold you to that, sir.
Tbh could be my favorite race in Star Trek but that is mainly from my love of DS9.
Cardassians always interested me for some reason
The idea of space nationalists is cool
@@umadbroimatroll7918 I liked them best in DS9 when they were more of a layered society. And on TNGs The Chase, when we saw the first female cardassian Gul Osech (however you spell her name)
Damar deserved to get mentioned.
He appeared a bit late into ds9, but he was just great. Not garak or dukat tier, but just below.
Also, glad to see you liked bashir in the end.
I am in the middle of a rewatch of ds9 and it is just amazing how god duet is, one of the best episodes of the series and in the first season non the less. In generall as far as bad first seasons in star trek goes i really enjoyed most of season 1 ds9. But by good julian was anoying as hell, i forgot how bad this character was until they made him geneticly enhanced.
Also nice to see the star trek books mentioned some of them are really good.
ya the episode really hits, cuz after this, i couldnt hate the cardassians anymore, cuz now i knew not all of them were monsters
@@kristophertower3476 Cardassians are just a stand-in for Germans even in some dialog lines you can change Cardassian to german and yo will get a typical german stereotype
it was one of the most beautiful episode ever told. a man so distraught with what happen during the war he thought to make amend for his people. plus a glimpse on how much more then bad guy of the week they were
Harris Yulen did such a great job. When he breaks down and starts weeping i always tear up myself.
Love for all three of the main spoonheads! About Damar, all I can is: his eyes, his eyes!
In a novel written by Andrew Robinson, Garak did become the leader of Cardassia, but not in canon material.
Was looking through the co.ments to see if anyone else mentioned it. I haven't been able to read it yet and it is technically "Fan Fiction" but it is supposed to be a very good read. It takes place after the events of DS9 but includes flashbacks to prior too including what he did to get exiled.
@@MichaelGonzalez-hd7kk I might have been in error about Garak become president on Cardassia.
The novel is A Stitch in Time
@@MichaelGonzalez-hd7kk It's called "A Stitch in Time", written by Andrew Robinson himself, and is a fantastic read!
@@bryanboatwright1671 yeah, no president, just a figure involved in the rebuilding and shaping of their new politics.
I can't belive they changed the name to stop it being related to a existing group of people just for another group of cardasians to pop up
They already based Romulans off ancient Roman society and the Klingons were stand ins for Cold War Russian and then peace time Japan (with feudal Japan and Viking culture), so maybe they didn’t want another real world analogy
Well, the Circassians aren't really anything like the Cardassians, the Circassians were a small society driven to virtual extinction by a Russian genocide, so they are closer to the Bajorans than the militaristic and conquering Cardassian empire. It makes some sense that if you want to draw on their real-life parallels to not use Circassians for the conquering imperialists.
Cardassians were always my favourite. Great video!
We need a cardassian show like yesterday
Can't wait for Star Trek: Keeping up with Cardassians!
What a Discovery that would be, eh?
10:09 - Yeah. Call it "Keeping up with the Cardassians"
:-)))
Never forget the "There are four lights!" frase. Thats a great episode!
Garak is my all time fav Star Trek character.... and one of my favorites of television, period.
Do a video on Garrek he's my favorite character. His relationship with Bashir and also Quark and his root beer skit was the best.
You should check out his tribute video by "Outaspace".
@@Kirkmaximus i will have to I'm new
These days, searching for details about the Cardassians results in a lot of pages about a certain family in Hollywood.
That cold blooded reptils?
@@HowIamDrivingBingo!
Dysfunctional family you must have meant.
@@HowIamDriving They can change sex at will.
@@gorilladisco9108 Typical aliens
Keeping up with the Cardassians...nice!
Gul Evek is one of very few characters in Star Trek that appeared in TNG, DS9 and VOY respectively.
Still have no idea what the Cardassian Neck Trick is
While I know what you mean, I think that was on purpose. Drive us fans crazy with ideas, but they never have to say what.
But we all know Odo is great with it
It’s where Odo pops out his neck to look like Spoon head.
Highly anticipated video for me, did not disappoint at all
Great video. I'm a huge TNG & DS9 fan and Marc Alaimo's portrayal of Gul Dukat was probably the best played character in Star Trek history to my opinion. The Cardassians were very well fleshed out in DS9 and their superiority complexes sometimes even rivaled the Romulans. It's a shame that they never appeared in any films.
Cant express my love for star trek, and the fact that people make relevant videos about the "good old" series makes me warm to the soul, I am sincerely grateful!. +1 internet to you my man.
cant believe i have missed your content untill now.
I've been rewatching a lot of Deep Space Nine lately, so this awesome video couldn't have come at a better time.
wow I didn`t know the source of inspiration for Galor class, I thought it was just a fish haha
Also yes, I think Bashir became a lot better through series
Yeah he started out as uncomfortable to watch, he was such a creepy nice guy, but he's kinda one of my faves by the end, love the friend dynamics between him and Garak as well as Miles. Was less sure about his Ezri romance, since she only had 1 season I would have preferred to see her single for it since I always enjoy romances more when I get to see the characters develop apart first.
@@joeyshears1483 well if DS9 was premiered now, he would have had a real romance with Garak haha
@@spaceexpireaudio666 I would have liked that. 😁
@@joeyshears1483 that's the thing... a huge part of her is her symbiont and they have known each other for 6 seasons...
@@Frankforsthoevel which in my opinion kinda makes it worse since that part of her didn't like him that way for the past 6 seasons. I like Ezri, their romance just didn't do it for me. I'm reading some of the books now and they end up breaking up and I think I prefer that.
Awesome video dude!☺👍
So nice to hear the Star Trek Encounters music God dammit
9:33 I look forward to those two videos - they absolutely earned the attention - two great performers giving life to two great characters !
Nice work!
Love these! Thank you 🙏
Garak and dukat are two of my favourite characters of all trek. The actors steal any scene they are in.
Id love a Cardassian spin off ... giving star trek a secondary perspective
Alaimo also played a poker player in the classic 2 part TNG episode "Time's Arrow"
YES! He and Data conversing in French is Top Tier stuff. 🥰
Standing in the cold MN snow warmed by Rowan's voice.
I love the Cardassians, they're my favorite Trek race! I can't wait for your video on Dukat, and especially Garak.
Great video and I love your use of Star Trek Online music 😄
Hey, it's me! I HAVE to read those books! Thank you so much for the recommendations and great content.
Make those videos! Zod's favorite characters on the show would make a wonderful transmission by you.
love the Cardassians, though i might be biased. while on a surface level we know very little, the writing is very stong and carry's a huge amount of subtext. i've covered this in several of my own videos focusing on the Bajoran Occupation and the Cardassian Border wars. but essentially Gul Madred is the ultimate source and he tells us everything we need to know.
they are really tragic villains, pulled down a path of militarism by desperation. and it costs them in the millions. when they try democracy it gets stamped out by the klingons, and that leads them to selling their souls to the dominion, all out of desperation, a society that is just barely hanging on.
The Werefrog heard the spoon head thing was because a kid of a designer stuck a spoon on his forehead, and it was cool, so he included it.
Great video
What a cool premise for a series. Subbed.
Plenty more on the channel :)
Nice use of the ST : Legacy theme mate. Mega nostalgia hit!
Great video 👍
Great video! Only wish you'd mentioned the novel "A Stitch In Time" by Andrew Robinson, an "autobiography" of Garak in the form of letters to Bashir, which Garak writes as he helps rebuild Cardassia after the Dominion War. It's one of my favourite ST novels.
Garak is my favourite DS9 character. Every Garak episode is a great episode.
My favorite character from Star Trek, was Captain Sisko's goatee. I found it was a much more nuanced character than Commander Riker's beard. Second favorite character would be any Tribble. I would have watched a show about a Tribble eating grain and found it better than anything Voyager did.
i loved this video! cardassians are one of the more interesting races for me and garack is a heavy contender for if i was to pick a single favourite character from the star trek universe "you'll be surprised at what one hears while hemming mens trousers" :P
You have WOW/Teldrassil music score running in the background - what a fantastic combination. I, honestly, have considered this part of the WOW OST to be very Trekish since I´ve been listening to it for the very first time. Along with the Westfall score (the one with the horns), to say the least :)
loved how you explain the Circassian part, thank you!
Maybe learn what "aesthetically" means...your sentence makes no sense
@@docsavage8640 what are you talking about. Shut up...
The best meme image I saw was of garage in conversation someone with the text being “reality tv? Yes, actually I do remember that our kind did dabble in that particular form of psychological torture several hundred years ago...however back then we spelt CARDASSIAN differently”
I'd love a series from a Cardassian perspective post DS9, that would be great!
A new like and subscribe for you, a very good episode
Cardassians are one of my favourite Star Trek races. I would definitely have loved to see a "Keeping up with the Cardassians" show.
"you could give them the their own spinoff show" Maybe Keeping up with the Cardassians.
A nice video on one of my favorite alien species from Star Trek. Wait a minute Stu Charno!? The prankster from Friday the 13th part 2 helped create the Cardassians. The shit you find out.
oooo I like your content. This is nice! Can't wait till you do one on Trill. If you ever do on on the Trill.
Maaaaaybe :)
Gul Dukat isn't only interesting because of Alaimo's perfect performance or because of quite nice writing, but also because he was...well...it's very interesting and enlightening to see how a shadow of a CHARACTER created a divide between a writer(or whatever he was: Ira) and actor itself(Alaimo). Basically Ira was convinced that Dukat is a "Space Hitler"(not true, he can only be some Colonel or the like) and Alaimo was on the side of "Dukat did nothing wrong"(well, not exactly, it's much more nuanced).
It's a fascinating character, honestly probably one of the best ST has produced next to Picard, Kirk and Spock. High praise that. (oh and Garak, a simple tailor, often easily overlooked)
there were a couple of snipets from Voyager you missed that contributed to the Cardassians, specifically the doctor's episode with the Cardassian doctor called Nothing Human.
Completely agree with you about Bashir
Duet is what made me a DS9 fan. It still is one of my fav Star Trek episode and in my top 10 list of stand alone episodes from any show.
Never realized that the cardassian only debuted in season 4,I thought it was much earlier
To expand further on Cardassian culture read "The Never Ending Sacrifice" and "A Stitch in Time." The latter is about Garak and is written by Andrew Robinson
it also helps explain why in the novel continuity, Garak wound up in charge of the rebuilt cardassian union.
That's one thing I enjoyed about DS9. They gave us a more in depth of each species first introduced in TOS and TNG. Also had more episodes that didn't involve starfleet. When you mentioned the Cardassians could have their own spin off. I agree, Something I would watch. Would like to see more spin offs solely based on other species
Got to say they are one of my favourite races in star trek plus I really enjoyed and liked their ships as well
Great video--totally agree that the Cardassians turned out to be one of the better TNG creations and DS9 did an amazing job of expanding them. Garak and Dukat were awesome and I'd love to see videos on them!
I love the Cardies!
Obligatory like for quality trek content, will watch later
I love that the Federation's population occasionally referred disparagingly to Cardassians as "spoonheads"
In my opinion, Garrick has always deserved his own episode. He was my favorite character on the DS9
So you mean all of what you said is the truth, even the lies?
Ow, especialy the lies.
"You'd shoot a man in the back?"
"Of course. It's the safest place after all."
Loved my Cardassian deck in Star Trek CCG 2e
Rowan you never of the cardassian Kardashian joke
I loved that episode with David Warner as the Cardassian officer also - two acting heavyweights facing off each other (I think they often wrote episodes like that for Patrick Stewart, another being The Drumhead). But I think Alaimo is my all-time favorite Cardassian next to Andrew Robinson - and in my opinion one of the best Star Trek villains ever, mainly because he's such a complex character...And to give him this weak point, his faible for Bajoran women and have him ultimately brought down by that rather than by one of his grand-scale villainies is simply a stroke of genius. I'd never seen Marc Alaimo before but I found him a great actor from the start - that dangerous stillness, that Piranha smile - he reminded me a lot of Christopher Plummer in a way. He scenes with Louise Fletcher toward the end of DS9 were a joy to watch because those scenes with pairing off acting heavyweights, that's always where the best scenes come from (see above).
I've noted that some of the species in Star Trek are actually based off real-life, historical Earth civilizations - the Klingons, for instance, were partly based of the Russians (their initial look), the Vikings (Stovokor = Valhalla) and perhaps a little bit of Japanese warlord culture thrown in. The Romulans were, of course, partly based on ancient Romans. The Bajorans I would say resemble Tibetans or Nepalese a little bit; their spirituality is really quite similar to Buddhists in a way, and their Kai could be a reference to the Dalai Lama. So could one perhaps say that the Cardassians are based off the Chinese (the Chinese after the Cultural Revolution in any case). I always thought their hairstyle was a dead giveaway; with their hair combed back from their faces, they looked as if they's jumped straight out of a Mao Zedong propaganda poster! And the occupation of Bajor could be a reference to the Chinese occupation of Tibet, couldn't it? Anybody here got any background knowledge on that?
The Cardassians were such a great villain. Especially when you got into the episode chain of command and in DS9.
Totally agree
I would love to see a Garak and Dukat video!
You didn't mention 'The Neverending Sacrifice', which I consider an incredibly important source of Cardassia-lore.
Wonder if we'll see any Kilngons or Cardassians on Discovery if i can bare to sit through another brutal episode
I agree totally about Bashir.
It is an interesting idea for a series of videos, "Adversaries". Kirk & Khan, Garek & Dukat, Londo & G'Kar, are 3 interesting ones.
Dukat & Macet are also cousins in a series of 4 books called Mission Gamma, which continues DS9 under a new Commander called something like Elias Vaughn. Some characters were uncomfortable with Macet's presence because he looked so much like Dukat.