Somebody has probably mentioned this already, but that is the old version of the 180s. The new version is slightly lighter, jaws opens slightly wider and it has the laser engraved markings. Apparently Knipex updated the line back in 2018, but kept the same model numbers.
Welder/pipefitting/mechanical assembler tuning in the 180mm and 300mm are probably the best combo to have for residential/commercial/industrial applications in the trade! Good video man
Agreed! Use the 180s for most jobs and step up to the 300s when you need the leverage. I do find the 300s pretty cumbersome and the 250s a lot more user friendly but still the 180s are king for quick and easy use
Two years later, I found this video very helpful. I got the icon 10” plier wrench and felt like I wanted something smaller so I’m looking at the 180mm :) will purchase the 180mm in this style. Seems like the perfect balance of function and weight as I do handyman stuff
@@EngineersPerspective701 I also appreciate how you brought out the cobras to discuss the difference and benefits. This was a really well organized video!
Thanks for the video and I have enjoyed a bunch including this one. Just my opinion --> That's interesting that you wouldn't recommend something if you personally don't have a use for it. There are way more great tools I don't have a need for than ones I do need. I wouldn't "not recommend" something because I don't personally have a use for it. If it is of poor quality, sure. The small ones are as good of quality as the larger ones and they might be the better option depending on what the person is doing. I have no idea what you do but in plumbing the 125 is good for supply lines, angle stops, flush valve handle repair kit, gate valve packing nut, earthquake strap nuts, closet flange bolts, 3/8 or 1/4 inch all thread nuts, water heater burner gas tube or pilot light tube, add extra torque on a squared screwdriver shaft, compression nuts in the tight spaces of a drinking fountain, etc.. There are random places I don't need a lot of torque and longer handles/ more weight is not preferred. The medium and large sets have their place too. All the way up to a 1.5" dielectric union. I love Leatherman and have several but I don't know anyone who really uses them for real work. I do recommend them though and they are great quality with great customer service.I'll throw one in my snowboarding jacket to tighten my binding if needed. I keep one in my center console, for whatever. I don't EDC one at work or didn't put one in my tool bag or cart. I always EDC a knife and sometimes outside of work I will EDC a Leatherman.This is just my opinion as a plumber and business owner with 25 years of experience in residential, commercial, industrial, and government jobs/projects. I don't intend this to be anything other than my opinion of tools. I don't make my own videos and appreciate those that provide content for everyone else's entertainment and education.
I 100% agree! I don’t recall my exact wording but I do still feel that it’s difficult to get a solid grip with the 125s and can slip more easily than I like on a lot of small fittings. That said I do feel your experiences supersede my own. You have probably used them a lot more than I and have a lot of professional experience. So I guess my thoughts for someone looking to buy are to take what I said as a word of caution not a damnation of the tool.
Love this review. I see these getting posted a lot in pocket dumps but I’ve never heard them talked about. I think I know enough to want a set now. Thanks again 🙏
I have Pliers Wrenches in the 125, 180, and 300 mm sizes. I think that there's room for another size somewhere in the 200 to 220 mm range, which would be really sweet. Big enough to still use easily one handed (at least for those of us for big hands), without being as bulky and heavy as a 250 or 300.
Thanks for comparing plier wrench and the cobra's and sharing your experiences. Nice review 👍 Knipex gonna launch the XS plier wrench similar to the XS cobra as part of 2021 release.
Thank you! And the XS plier wrench will be super interesting to see how they execute on that! I feel like the XS Cobra falls right into that size but the plier wrench will be tricky to get usable jaw opening.
I have some and they’re great but they’re not really great pliers, because of the awesome leverage the downside is the jaws don’t move much. For example to take off my dirtbike fuel line spring clips, they need to be opened up a little to grab them but then they don’t close far enough. They are awesome though and I plan to double up on them so I have them in the car, garage and at work.
I have the 250s and 300s. I will however picking up these smaller ones soon enough. I really like to get them all in comfort grip handles but I'm finding it very difficult to find them at times. The most difficult when I've been trying to find unsuccessfully is a 10 inch 15 degree offset handle pliers wrench.. I've ordered four of them from Amazon one they sent me the complete wrong version of it it was just a regular 10-inch (250mm) version without an offset handle..
Thought on the 100mm XS Plier Wrench and Cobra? I bought both and will probably EDC one of them in a leather slipcase. I just haven’t really gotten a chance to use them much yet, really hoping to hear what other ppl think they’re good/bad at so I know which to keep around :). I love that they’re both “channel lock” style for setting jaw width rather than push button. Also, I can fit them in the watch pocket when I wear jeans (doesn’t work on my khakis) and idk if it’s the belt I wear but it doesn’t stab me in the hip when I sit which is nice. I have to test the max width and realistic torque on the XS pliers wrenches at some point… right now I like them just a little bit more than the cobras but mostly because they’re fun to play with - so many satisfying clicking noises slipping the jaws shut. It’s like a well made watch 😌
I love the Cobra XS. I can get onto 3/4” fittings with that bad boy and because the jaws bite and hold I can put a lot of force on those tiny handles without slipping off the fitting. The 125mm plier wrenches are the smallest I have because I don’t really like them that much. Yes they do have some self biting action given the right circumstance but I cannot squeeze with enough force to make them work well except on small applications. Think 1/4” fittings, maybe 1/2”, it’s been awhile since I used them so I forget.
@@EngineersPerspective701 thanks for the feedback! I bought both XS versions with the Knipex beltpouch combination... still smaller than a leatherman. That, a pen screwdriver, and a nice pocket knife and virtually all my old engineering/construction woes would have been solved :D. I'll be sure to give the Cobra XS a solid chance - I heard great things but was so impressed by the feel of the plier wrench (again havent used either much) for a moment i wondered whether id ever even use the Cobra :). I've seen a bunch of positive reviews/tests like this since then so not sure the feeling was valid. FYI, when I was looking around recent projects to see where they might be of use, i found a few furniture kits I built that required super thin Tappet Wrenches to build. The casters for one side table were almost entirely shrouded and only have probably 0.125" access to the nut... of course I did this with the $0.25 wrench they included with the kit, but I tested my XS Pliers Wrench and it would have done an awesome job... The XS Pliers Wrench opens to 0.664" width and the jaws are only ~0.10" wide (a slight taper to them so maybe ~0.97" - 0.12" across the length). I also really like the leverage - I wonder if they'd function better than the XS Cobras for plier, pulling, tearing functions. The XS Cobras look like they'll absolutely dominate for any piping/plumbing work. Gosh, pretty excited about these. The only other small pliers I saw that came close were on my M4 Seber Tool, Knipex is probably still a class above. Can't get any Seber Tool stuff anymore either.
@@forgetyourlife the 125s are definitely superior but the XS is no joke. The XS are more of a supplemental tool vs the 125s could be a daily driver for someone that uses them a lot
Recently purchased the 86 05 180 Pliers Wrench . Fabricate the lower handle 2” longer to facilitate mechanics hands grip when the jaws are to full capacity . $54.00 Amazon 9/30/24
100% I recommend them fully. No alternatives to the 180mm model. I will say that the 250mm model has grown on me and there are some alternatives there but the Knipex are still better than the Klein and icons I’ve tried. They all get the job done though.
Might have misspoke. Just meant the square ended plugs I think. These days I’m only working with PVC in that size and glueing it up so I really can’t recall.
The 250s are the new style. Honestly I haven’t used them enough comment in it. All I can say is that I had zero issues with the previous finish and I usually prefer the 180s because they’re so much easier to manipulate. Which is why I don’t have much use on the 250s plus working from home!
Kinda of weird to compare the plier wrench and Cobras and say they’re a cheaper alternative. It’s like comparing Chanel locks and crescent wrenches. They are both for different applications. Yes they can be used for the same application but if your using the cobras for a job the plier wrench should be doing, your rounding the nut or marring something that shouldn’t be marred
I agree and disagree. As a plumber (or some other equivalent professional) they are different tools. For someone like myself who is looking for a single do-all tool to carry they both turn fittings and grab stuff. They do those things notably different but at the end of the day they overlap in the tasks they are able to complete. So in that role they are a direct comparison, each with their pros and cons.
@@BrandonStone24 It’s a totally legitimate perspective! I like the channel name because it doesn’t make viewers guess where I come from which is NOT a pro. I can’t claim to have the skill or needs of guys like yourself. Just the experiences from my own little niche!
You mean the 87-02-180 with comfort grip handles? I can bare down incredibly hard without pain on the 180mm dip handles, 87-01-180. In very repetitive tasks like pulling up 100s of staples it wears on my uncallused hands so I actually picked up the comfort grips. When my hands were tougher I could work it all day though
@@EngineersPerspective701 86 05 180 are the plier wrenches version of 87-02-180. But yes the same handles. So it is not a gimmick from your experience. I'll pick up the comfort grips then. There's no disadvantages and only benefits. Thank you indeed. I wanted to share with you that there's not only people that love tools and that are good at fixing stuff that follows your channel but also people that never had been exposed too much to building, fixing or getting something done. I'm a photographer and self-devcopement writer and I learn a lot in your experience and explanations even just when your review your tools and the logic that comes with it. Thanks. Carry on the good work.
Cobras are definitely easier. Depending on the bolt size it can be tricky to adjust the plier wrenches just right for a good ratcheting action. On the 180mm plier wrenches this starts to happen around 5/8" bolts or so. It's not that it's impossible but its just not as smooth and you may need to adjust once. No such issue on the Cobras
@@EngineersPerspective701 Ah thanks. I presume you mean 5/8ths or larger (not smaller). I see that you have the older 7" (180mm) model pliers (with SW35 mm marking). The newer 180mm wrench pliers are marked SW40 for the jaw opening, and I'm wondering if that extra mm jaw opening has the side effect of allowing a greater amount of leeway for a particular notch position. From what I've seen, your older SW35 wrench pliers have a 6mm leeway opening (for any given notch position), while the newer SW40 ones may be more than that? (I'll find out within a few days). Not sure I want the toothed Cobras as they may mark up my fittings, (although maybe the Chrome plated Cobras do that less since they're not as sharp).
@@TwinbeeUK Whoops, larger yes. On the calipers I got 5.7mm of travel on the 180mm (SW35). I also measured my updated 250mm (SW40) and they have 7.2mm of travel. Doubt it's a direct comparison though, unfortunately I only have the old 180s. I love the cobras but steer clear if you don't want to mark up fittings. They would loose A LOT of their capability if they couldn't bite, even on fittings so I'd steer clear if that's an issue.
@@EngineersPerspective701 Awesome thanks. I'll measure the travel with my calipers when I receive the new SW40 180mm plier wrench within a few days and let you know if you like.
Agreed that there definitely occasions where you can one handle push on it but it’s not guaranteed and less so in tough to reach places. As for the different tools I’ll direct you to the comment from Brandon Stone below.
I've heard the comfort grips are pretty great! I have a pair of combo pliers coming with them to try it out. That said very rarely have I encountered jobs where the dip was uncomfortable
“Communist units” that made me laugh 😂 great review man, I’ve been obsessed with my cobras 150 and only hear good things about these . Should I get the 180’s like you recommend or could the 150’s work? Not sure if I’d use them enough to carry in my pants like I do w the 150’s..
Thank you 🙏🏻! It depends on what size fittings you work on most for the best size. Check the size of those fittings against jaw opening to decide. I’d guess the 180s if you carry the 150 cobras because the cobras open wider for the same handle size.
Кобра 150 мм и плоскогубцы 150 мм в большинстве случаев хватает, но я ещё куплю 180 мм плоскогубцы и этого хватит для дома. Ещё большие размеры нужно покупать если есть необходимость. Друг , привет из Украины.
Hello! Hope you’re doing well despite the war. I have the 250mm cobras and plier wrench which are the best overall size for getting more serious work done. I also have the 300mm cobras for real big jobs!
Define a real wrench? It was designed and engineered specifically for turning nuts and bolts. Does a wrench become a real wrench just because we were born with it in existence? Or like a Velveteen Rabbit sort of situation? All tools have their advantages and disadvantages. If you for example feel the possibility of rounding a bolt is too high with these then that is a fair and honest point of view. I haven’t seen that be an issue with these in particular but you see the point
@@EngineersPerspective701 the difference is pliers you have to squeeze to turn something a wrench you don’t wrenches are designed for nuts unless the nut is rounded off then you resort to vise grips or pliers or even a pliers wrench but I don’t want to have to squeeze just to turn a nut whenever I can use a regular wrench and turn it with no effort actually using a regular socket is better then a regular wrench or pliers.
Totally agree that a socket and often a box end wrench are often a superior choice but it really really depends on the situation. 1) It is extremely rare that I would grab my plier wrench when I'm working on my car. Replaced my alternator this weekend and used sockets/ratchets, needle nose and a screwdriver the whole way. Most of the time the ergos, confined space doesn't even give an option to use a plier wrench. 2) But doing a plumbing job? Why would I drag a socket set and ratchet and/or a set of wrenches in for this? A plier wrench is lighter overall, faster because I don't have to pick through multiple tools the list goes on. In thousands of uses I have yet to round a nut but that is because I don't try when it's a super awkward reach and I can't get leverage so I generally use a crescent wrench to break it loose and go back to the plier wrench. Still fewer tools with more versatility that way. In case 1 the plier wrench is nearly nonsensical for my usage but for case 2 not only is it a great option but I'd argue its the correct wrench for nuts and fasteners.
Bolts and such associated with 2” pipe bud, listen to the video. Why would you even want to grab pipe with the plier wrenches? I think I do mention the 180mm cobras and I have a video on that as well but they’re engagement on 2” pipe is weak at best so I’ll grant you that.
Somebody has probably mentioned this already, but that is the old version of the 180s. The new version is slightly lighter, jaws opens slightly wider and it has the laser engraved markings. Apparently Knipex updated the line back in 2018, but kept the same model numbers.
Welder/pipefitting/mechanical assembler tuning in the 180mm and 300mm are probably the best combo to have for residential/commercial/industrial applications in the trade! Good video man
Agreed! Use the 180s for most jobs and step up to the 300s when you need the leverage. I do find the 300s pretty cumbersome and the 250s a lot more user friendly but still the 180s are king for quick and easy use
Two years later, I found this video very helpful. I got the icon 10” plier wrench and felt like I wanted something smaller so I’m looking at the 180mm :) will purchase the 180mm in this style. Seems like the perfect balance of function and weight as I do handyman stuff
Better late than never! The 180mm are perfect for an everyday tool.
@@EngineersPerspective701 I also appreciate how you brought out the cobras to discuss the difference and benefits. This was a really well organized video!
@@ChrisBranleh as organized as my scrambled thoughts can be! Really do appreciate it
Thanks for the video and I have enjoyed a bunch including this one. Just my opinion --> That's interesting that you wouldn't recommend something if you personally don't have a use for it. There are way more great tools I don't have a need for than ones I do need. I wouldn't "not recommend" something because I don't personally have a use for it. If it is of poor quality, sure. The small ones are as good of quality as the larger ones and they might be the better option depending on what the person is doing. I have no idea what you do but in plumbing the 125 is good for supply lines, angle stops, flush valve handle repair kit, gate valve packing nut, earthquake strap nuts, closet flange bolts, 3/8 or 1/4 inch all thread nuts, water heater burner gas tube or pilot light tube, add extra torque on a squared screwdriver shaft, compression nuts in the tight spaces of a drinking fountain, etc.. There are random places I don't need a lot of torque and longer handles/ more weight is not preferred. The medium and large sets have their place too. All the way up to a 1.5" dielectric union. I love Leatherman and have several but I don't know anyone who really uses them for real work. I do recommend them though and they are great quality with great customer service.I'll throw one in my snowboarding jacket to tighten my binding if needed. I keep one in my center console, for whatever. I don't EDC one at work or didn't put one in my tool bag or cart. I always EDC a knife and sometimes outside of work I will EDC a Leatherman.This is just my opinion as a plumber and business owner with 25 years of experience in residential, commercial, industrial, and government jobs/projects. I don't intend this to be anything other than my opinion of tools. I don't make my own videos and appreciate those that provide content for everyone else's entertainment and education.
I 100% agree! I don’t recall my exact wording but I do still feel that it’s difficult to get a solid grip with the 125s and can slip more easily than I like on a lot of small fittings.
That said I do feel your experiences supersede my own. You have probably used them a lot more than I and have a lot of professional experience.
So I guess my thoughts for someone looking to buy are to take what I said as a word of caution not a damnation of the tool.
Love this review. I see these getting posted a lot in pocket dumps but I’ve never heard them talked about. I think I know enough to want a set now. Thanks again 🙏
These things are honestly life changing! There’s not much you couldn’t do with the 250s 180s and 125s! Personal favorite in the 180s though!
Awesome review of 2 popular Knipex tools, thank you for the VERY helpful breakdown for someone entering the HVAC trade!
I’m so glad it was useful! You’ll be setup with some great tools at this rate!
I have Pliers Wrenches in the 125, 180, and 300 mm sizes. I think that there's room for another size somewhere in the 200 to 220 mm range, which would be really sweet. Big enough to still use easily one handed (at least for those of us for big hands), without being as bulky and heavy as a 250 or 300.
Totally agree that another intermediate size would be super nice! 220mm sounds about right!
As an industrial field, I find the 180 Cobra and 300 pliers wrench to be the best combo.
Solid versatility that way!
Thanks for comparing plier wrench and the cobra's and sharing your experiences. Nice review 👍
Knipex gonna launch the XS plier wrench similar to the XS cobra as part of 2021 release.
Thank you! And the XS plier wrench will be super interesting to see how they execute on that! I feel like the XS Cobra falls right into that size but the plier wrench will be tricky to get usable jaw opening.
@@EngineersPerspective701 exactly,need to see if it really suits EDC
@@samsoncj They did a great job on the XS cobra so I'm optimistic!
@@EngineersPerspective701 same here 🙂, looks it'll be available globally by October
best review on these everything i wanted to know, thanks
Glad it helped!
Can you do a dedicated video to the cobras and with some use on various sized pipe, studs, nuts, etc...
Sure can! I can compare the capabilities of the 125, 180 and 250 cobras
TJ B, I just posted the Cobra video. Thank you for the recommendation!
I have some and they’re great but they’re not really great pliers, because of the awesome leverage the downside is the jaws don’t move much.
For example to take off my dirtbike fuel line spring clips, they need to be opened up a little to grab them but then they don’t close far enough.
They are awesome though and I plan to double up on them so I have them in the car, garage and at work.
Totally agree! I’ve tried many times to make them work as genuine pliers and they just aren’t suited for it. Great wrenches though!
I have the 250s and 300s. I will however picking up these smaller ones soon enough. I really like to get them all in comfort grip handles but I'm finding it very difficult to find them at times. The most difficult when I've been trying to find unsuccessfully is a 10 inch 15 degree offset handle pliers wrench.. I've ordered four of them from Amazon one they sent me the complete wrong version of it it was just a regular 10-inch (250mm) version without an offset handle..
Amazon is a crap shoot. You tried KCtool.com?
@6:14 for me not almost, I have one and it’s a two hand pliers to adjust, but works well
2 hander for sure on adjustments. I will say I do like it a lot and works well like you said
Thought on the 100mm XS Plier Wrench and Cobra? I bought both and will probably EDC one of them in a leather slipcase. I just haven’t really gotten a chance to use them much yet, really hoping to hear what other ppl think they’re good/bad at so I know which to keep around :). I love that they’re both “channel lock” style for setting jaw width rather than push button. Also, I can fit them in the watch pocket when I wear jeans (doesn’t work on my khakis) and idk if it’s the belt I wear but it doesn’t stab me in the hip when I sit which is nice. I have to test the max width and realistic torque on the XS pliers wrenches at some point… right now I like them just a little bit more than the cobras but mostly because they’re fun to play with - so many satisfying clicking noises slipping the jaws shut. It’s like a well made watch 😌
I love the Cobra XS. I can get onto 3/4” fittings with that bad boy and because the jaws bite and hold I can put a lot of force on those tiny handles without slipping off the fitting.
The 125mm plier wrenches are the smallest I have because I don’t really like them that much. Yes they do have some self biting action given the right circumstance but I cannot squeeze with enough force to make them work well except on small applications. Think 1/4” fittings, maybe 1/2”, it’s been awhile since I used them so I forget.
@@EngineersPerspective701 thanks for the feedback! I bought both XS versions with the Knipex beltpouch combination... still smaller than a leatherman. That, a pen screwdriver, and a nice pocket knife and virtually all my old engineering/construction woes would have been solved :D. I'll be sure to give the Cobra XS a solid chance - I heard great things but was so impressed by the feel of the plier wrench (again havent used either much) for a moment i wondered whether id ever even use the Cobra :). I've seen a bunch of positive reviews/tests like this since then so not sure the feeling was valid.
FYI, when I was looking around recent projects to see where they might be of use, i found a few furniture kits I built that required super thin Tappet Wrenches to build. The casters for one side table were almost entirely shrouded and only have probably 0.125" access to the nut... of course I did this with the $0.25 wrench they included with the kit, but I tested my XS Pliers Wrench and it would have done an awesome job...
The XS Pliers Wrench opens to 0.664" width and the jaws are only ~0.10" wide (a slight taper to them so maybe ~0.97" - 0.12" across the length). I also really like the leverage - I wonder if they'd function better than the XS Cobras for plier, pulling, tearing functions.
The XS Cobras look like they'll absolutely dominate for any piping/plumbing work.
Gosh, pretty excited about these. The only other small pliers I saw that came close were on my M4 Seber Tool, Knipex is probably still a class above. Can't get any Seber Tool stuff anymore either.
I sent the Cobra XS’s back. Pretty silly little tool. The 125’s reign supreme.
@@forgetyourlife the 125s are definitely superior but the XS is no joke. The XS are more of a supplemental tool vs the 125s could be a daily driver for someone that uses them a lot
@@EngineersPerspective701Cobra XS is perfect carry for "in case of emergency" AND, to be honest, awesome fidget toy and that's what I use it most
Recently purchased the 86 05 180 Pliers Wrench . Fabricate the lower handle 2” longer to facilitate mechanics hands grip when the jaws are to full capacity . $54.00 Amazon 9/30/24
After 3 years do still recommend knipex 180. Or do you have some other alternative?
100% I recommend them fully. No alternatives to the 180mm model.
I will say that the 250mm model has grown on me and there are some alternatives there but the Knipex are still better than the Klein and icons I’ve tried. They all get the job done though.
@@EngineersPerspective701 thanks
How does the 180mm wrench fit a 2" (50mm) fitting if it only opens to 40mm?
Might have misspoke. Just meant the square ended plugs I think. These days I’m only working with PVC in that size and glueing it up so I really can’t recall.
Nice review. Since you don’t like the small 125mm would you take $20 for it?
I have the 180mm and love it.
Appreciate the offer but I keep it in my backpack as a work carry
Your 250's look like the new style vs your 180's, how do you like the new finish vs the old finish?
The 250s are the new style. Honestly I haven’t used them enough comment in it. All I can say is that I had zero issues with the previous finish and I usually prefer the 180s because they’re so much easier to manipulate. Which is why I don’t have much use on the 250s plus working from home!
Kinda of weird to compare the plier wrench and Cobras and say they’re a cheaper alternative. It’s like comparing Chanel locks and crescent wrenches. They are both for different applications. Yes they can be used for the same application but if your using the cobras for a job the plier wrench should be doing, your rounding the nut or marring something that shouldn’t be marred
I agree and disagree. As a plumber (or some other equivalent professional) they are different tools.
For someone like myself who is looking for a single do-all tool to carry they both turn fittings and grab stuff. They do those things notably different but at the end of the day they overlap in the tasks they are able to complete. So in that role they are a direct comparison, each with their pros and cons.
@@EngineersPerspective701 okay I see what you mean, I am a plumber LOL so like you said, that’s why I have that perspective
@@BrandonStone24 It’s a totally legitimate perspective! I like the channel name because it doesn’t make viewers guess where I come from which is NOT a pro. I can’t claim to have the skill or needs of guys like yourself. Just the experiences from my own little niche!
What is your take on the version that has more ergonomic handles ? 86 05 180
Great videos!
You mean the 87-02-180 with comfort grip handles? I can bare down incredibly hard without pain on the 180mm dip handles, 87-01-180. In very repetitive tasks like pulling up 100s of staples it wears on my uncallused hands so I actually picked up the comfort grips. When my hands were tougher I could work it all day though
@@EngineersPerspective701 86 05 180 are the plier wrenches version of 87-02-180. But yes the same handles. So it is not a gimmick from your experience. I'll pick up the comfort grips then. There's no disadvantages and only benefits. Thank you indeed. I wanted to share with you that there's not only people that love tools and that are good at fixing stuff that follows your channel but also people that never had been exposed too much to building, fixing or getting something done. I'm a photographer and self-devcopement writer and I learn a lot in your experience and explanations even just when your review your tools and the logic that comes with it. Thanks. Carry on the good work.
Thanks man
You’re welcome!
Can you ratchet as easily on nuts/bolts with the Cobras as you can with the flat wrench pliers?
Cobras are definitely easier. Depending on the bolt size it can be tricky to adjust the plier wrenches just right for a good ratcheting action. On the 180mm plier wrenches this starts to happen around 5/8" bolts or so. It's not that it's impossible but its just not as smooth and you may need to adjust once. No such issue on the Cobras
@@EngineersPerspective701 Ah thanks. I presume you mean 5/8ths or larger (not smaller). I see that you have the older 7" (180mm) model pliers (with SW35 mm marking). The newer 180mm wrench pliers are marked SW40 for the jaw opening, and I'm wondering if that extra mm jaw opening has the side effect of allowing a greater amount of leeway for a particular notch position. From what I've seen, your older SW35 wrench pliers have a 6mm leeway opening (for any given notch position), while the newer SW40 ones may be more than that? (I'll find out within a few days). Not sure I want the toothed Cobras as they may mark up my fittings, (although maybe the Chrome plated Cobras do that less since they're not as sharp).
@@TwinbeeUK Whoops, larger yes. On the calipers I got 5.7mm of travel on the 180mm (SW35). I also measured my updated 250mm (SW40) and they have 7.2mm of travel. Doubt it's a direct comparison though, unfortunately I only have the old 180s.
I love the cobras but steer clear if you don't want to mark up fittings. They would loose A LOT of their capability if they couldn't bite, even on fittings so I'd steer clear if that's an issue.
@@EngineersPerspective701 Awesome thanks. I'll measure the travel with my calipers when I receive the new SW40 180mm plier wrench within a few days and let you know if you like.
@@TwinbeeUK that would be much appreciated!
you don't need to hold both handles you can just use the top one and it will grip just as well. They shouldn't be compared to totally different tools.
Agreed that there definitely occasions where you can one handle push on it but it’s not guaranteed and less so in tough to reach places.
As for the different tools I’ll direct you to the comment from Brandon Stone below.
well worth paying a little more for the comfort grips!
I've heard the comfort grips are pretty great! I have a pair of combo pliers coming with them to try it out. That said very rarely have I encountered jobs where the dip was uncomfortable
What is an ounce? :)
Unit of measure for weight. Equal to 1/16th of a pound or 28.3grams
Whats your height you make that 7 1/4" look like a 3" piece.
Just a touch over 6' 😂. I usually have LG or XL gloves if that tells you anything
“Communist units” that made me laugh 😂 great review man, I’ve been obsessed with my cobras 150 and only hear good things about these . Should I get the 180’s like you recommend or could the 150’s work? Not sure if I’d use them enough to carry in my pants like I do w the 150’s..
Thank you 🙏🏻! It depends on what size fittings you work on most for the best size. Check the size of those fittings against jaw opening to decide. I’d guess the 180s if you carry the 150 cobras because the cobras open wider for the same handle size.
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Great tool, but to expensive for me 😢
Definitely pricey, but can really be worth it. It's awesome only needing to bring one wrench and knowing you are not compromising
Кобра 150 мм и плоскогубцы 150 мм в большинстве случаев хватает, но я ещё куплю 180 мм плоскогубцы и этого хватит для дома. Ещё большие размеры нужно покупать если есть необходимость. Друг , привет из Украины.
Hello! Hope you’re doing well despite the war.
I have the 250mm cobras and plier wrench which are the best overall size for getting more serious work done. I also have the 300mm cobras for real big jobs!
I don’t like plier wrenches why because their not a real wrench every tool serves it’s purpose.
Define a real wrench? It was designed and engineered specifically for turning nuts and bolts.
Does a wrench become a real wrench just because we were born with it in existence? Or like a Velveteen Rabbit sort of situation?
All tools have their advantages and disadvantages. If you for example feel the possibility of rounding a bolt is too high with these then that is a fair and honest point of view. I haven’t seen that be an issue with these in particular but you see the point
@@EngineersPerspective701 the difference is pliers you have to squeeze to turn something a wrench you don’t wrenches are designed for nuts unless the nut is rounded off then you resort to vise grips or pliers or even a pliers wrench but I don’t want to have to squeeze just to turn a nut whenever I can use a regular wrench and turn it with no effort actually using a regular socket is better then a regular wrench or pliers.
Totally agree that a socket and often a box end wrench are often a superior choice but it really really depends on the situation.
1) It is extremely rare that I would grab my plier wrench when I'm working on my car. Replaced my alternator this weekend and used sockets/ratchets, needle nose and a screwdriver the whole way. Most of the time the ergos, confined space doesn't even give an option to use a plier wrench.
2) But doing a plumbing job? Why would I drag a socket set and ratchet and/or a set of wrenches in for this? A plier wrench is lighter overall, faster because I don't have to pick through multiple tools the list goes on. In thousands of uses I have yet to round a nut but that is because I don't try when it's a super awkward reach and I can't get leverage so I generally use a crescent wrench to break it loose and go back to the plier wrench. Still fewer tools with more versatility that way.
In case 1 the plier wrench is nearly nonsensical for my usage but for case 2 not only is it a great option but I'd argue its the correct wrench for nuts and fasteners.
Stop sniffing.
No
No way does a 180mm Knipex pliers wrench fit 2” pipe , their maximum opening is 40mm 1 5/8”. Can’t trust this review
Bolts and such associated with 2” pipe bud, listen to the video. Why would you even want to grab pipe with the plier wrenches?
I think I do mention the 180mm cobras and I have a video on that as well but they’re engagement on 2” pipe is weak at best so I’ll grant you that.