I unfortunately think that our own government is more likely to try and take our firearms than another country is. Stand firm in your rights, no matter what. They won’t be taking a thing from me.
@@ThanksforcensoringmeRUclipsI've been threatened by Joe Biden and democrats like Eric Swalwell with Nuked and fighter jets than I ever have been by Vladimir Putin or Xi Jingping. And yes I'm implying that the democrat party is more threatening to my livelihood than Russia or China.
It's basically a registry disguised as something else. If you don't think this system can be abused by the ATF in the way a registry would, I know a guy in Nigeria who wants to give you a million dollars for your bank info.
It’s not a registry because unless the ATF comes in, they don’t know about it. It’s not like when you put in for a tax stamp. If you don’t see that then you’re fucked in the head there’s nothing more I can say for you. Literally all the guns I have are from one FFL and if someone was to burn the place down or even flood damage there would be no record of my purchases. It’s a simple as that.
Before you say, they submit it for a background check, they don’t do that down here in Georgia If you have a concealed carry permit like I do, it just goes in the back in the file cabinet records.
I believe it's unconstitutional to force people to register guns. This gives government an unfair advantage over its citizens. They know who has guns before they even go to a house.
I think that if the government is in a situation where they have to check to see if a person is armed before RAIDING THEIR HOUSE is a lot more worrisome than whether the person that’s in trouble has a gun. But that’s just me.
@@daboo123no it isn’t, that’s just a jingoist catchphrase for simpletons. The founding fathers immediately set up an unjust system by and for the land owning, white men, maintained slavery. Having an armed citizenry was ultimately in their best interest of maintaining that project, then expanding primitive accumulation and westward settler colonialism - settlers killing natives, white supremacists intimidating blacks, etc. Not because they were so magnanimous that they were cool with themselves being overthrown by armed force lol. The panthers open carrying startled that system into beginning the gun control avalanche we’re still in today, but the class consciousness of the working class is still so low that the massive gun ownership presents no threat to the system - in fact, they can count on armed right wing militias showing up to intimate civil rights protests, vigilante border patrols and a crisis of murdered indigenous women. And of course it’s lucrative industry itself - as this guy cynically alludes to “ in the interest of putting more firearms into the hands of Americans”, ie profit for that business owner.
I spent 15 mins rereading the form when I got my gun. The way its phrased I had to ask the clerk what it meant and he said "hes not allowed to help". Lol so if Im confused and imagine how many people checked "yes" on the insanely confusing "dont sell or gift your gun to someone who cant carry" part because of how terribly composed it is.
Still have to go through a background check meaning if you have anything on your record it’s a no go for getting a gun. And it shouldn’t surprise anyone in the U.S. either. Nowhere in the constitution is there a guarantee that people can bear arms
@@j2simpso you're incorrect there's no background check required if buying a gun from an individual in the state of Texas. Must be over 21 , and no felonies or crimes. No background check required...0, zero
@j2simpso "The right to keep and BEAR arms, shall not be infringed." That's written in the constitution. The 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. I don't know how much clearer you can get.
@@BenjanuvaI stand with you on the matter but, I think if you even accidentally sell to a felon that makes you a felon. We live with our rights infringed already. Felons don't loose the right to the first or third but somehow the 2nd. When it can be taken away it's not a right but instead only a privilege.
Then I hope you're not complicit. For a man to say "shall not be infringed", but to then beg permission to exercise the Right or to refrain from exercising the Right would make a man a coward and a hypocrite. I just pray for the day we're not a nation of cowards anymore. If there's one thing the Founding Fathers were right about, that they repeated time and time again, it is that Freedom Required Bravery. A nation of cowards can never be Free.
...and so much easier for government to get a hold of them. They shouldn't be doing it At All. They are Agents of Government, committing serious crimes against The People.
Be careful with that, I’ve been going to the same ffl that uses an iPad as well and just recently I had to go to a different ffl since cmmg didn’t deliver to the one I usually go to. Anyways I’m talking with the employee telling him I’ve never done the paper form that they use and he informed me to be really careful with the electronic forms because if you submit it and you misspelled or entered something wrong then you have to go through a 30 day waiting period before you can retry the form. He said a lot of people he tells that to didn’t know about it. Mind you I’m in Montana which is one of the most free states when it comes to 2A.
@@tylerlichon9529 really, they only ship to some FFL's but not others? We need to get rid of this disgusting, cowardly FFL system and every FFL needs to face the same trials that tyrannical Agents of Government face, because That Is What They Are.
@WeThePeeple1776 Easier for government to get a hold of. It's like saying, "I'm glad the cops come to my house and search my anus every night, so I don't have to go there".
Always wondered if those documents have to be stored in one piece. I think it would be fitting for the AFT to conduct an audit and be handed a trash bag full of shredded paper.
I learned that I had to fill it out to get my own gun returned to me. I transferred via another FFL to Gunbros and was surprised when I had to fill it out. Also, the government changed the form, make sure you read the questions CAREFULLY😅
I know it seems shady as Hell, but since the FFL has to book the firearm into their books- and has to release it to the customer, they need to have them fill out the form so they can release it back to you. As weird as it sounds, it's just how it works.
Getting my old Remington 870 was paper work in the pawnshop then afterwards the old guy was waiting for digital paperwork to go through it only took 3 hours from signing the paperwork, getting the digital paperwork through and then bringing my boomstick home with me
I only go to dealers that store on paper & my specific dealer makes a point to store their 20,000+ papers as unorganized as possible so if there is an audit they can’t just digitally search or sort by name. Also can’t buy online so CC information isn’t always linked to the FFL as well. Pretty much the dealer said “I do this so IF they wanted to know everyone that bought an AR from me or how many guns each customer got they would need to manually sort through 20,000 unorganized papers they can’t leave with and give up after 5 minutes”
In heller v washington. Justice Scalia had stated that since the word regulate was in the second amendment that the government can regulate firearms. No where in the second amendment does anything mean possess. The second amendment is one sentence with recommends in it. That makes the entire sentence connected to each other. It's basic English and apparently that eludes you. The front of the sentence was connected to the back of the sentence. You can't have keeping bear arms without having the right to form a militia..
The Heller decision is self refuting. In upholding the individual right to bear arms by citizens not affiliated with a militia that can prevent a government standing army from infringing rights (particularly disarmament), the citizens need access to weapons that are equal in force sufficient to deter any current government standing army or select militia from enforcing any infringement on bearing arms. District of Columbia v. Heller (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2-53.(a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2-22.(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court's interpretation of the operative clause. The "militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens' militia would be preserved. Pp. 22-28.(c) The Court's interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28-30.(d) The Second Amendment's drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30-32.(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court's conclusion. Pp. 32-47.(f) None of the Court's precedents forecloses the Court's interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876), nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886), refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. (2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56.(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition - in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute - would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D.C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56-64. The Opinion of the Court, delivered by Justice Scalia, was joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. and by Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.[47]
That's atf directive, if a store is allowing you to "alter" your form regardless if it's clearly an accident it could be considered perjury and could land them 10 in fed prison
@@Lord_FriedI'm independent and pro-gun. Collecting, hunting, competition, or just shooting at a range. I do however think that all guns should be registered, you should have license to carry a firearm like most Americans who drive automobiles. If a gun was sold at a business like Gun Bros and something was overlooked, it needs to be investigated as to why.
@@dnllrntI’d have to disagree with you on that one. Needing a license to carry a gun goes directly against what the second amendment states. That doesn’t make it a right to bear arms anymore. It makes it a government controlled privilege. The same way you have the freedom of speech and being able to say what you want whenever or wherever you choose is what the right to bear arms should also be. You should have the right to carry whatever gun you want, wherever you want, and whenever you want to do so. Granted you should still be responsible and respectful with this. The very second that someone starts to control your freedom is the same second that it no longer becomes a freedom, but a regulation.
@@Lord_Friedthe fact that people don’t know you can be on the left and pro gun is astonishing. The propaganda has infected your mind my brother in arms.
Where I'm from you submit a 20 to 30 page application to the local law enforcement and wait 3 to 6 months for them to approve your purchase before you are allowed to take ownership of your pew pew. I would give my left kneecap to only fill in 1 paper and that's it
I live in a state that you need to get 2 people as references when you are getting a firearm, then pay to get a background check and then pay the police department when you fill out the paperwork
Isn't that precisely how it started? Isn't that what like 100 countries around the world said, just before losing that Right? You can't compromise with tyranny. It will ALWAYS take something from you until you are left with Nothing.
Basically I’m being registered into their system every time I buy a gun. I mean I knew all along. It ain’t gonna stop me. But it’s unconstitutional as hell
You’re phone and/or computer you just typed this on is giving the government way more useful and personal information than anything you’re putting on that form.
"Mo guns, mo profi- I mean SAFETY. safety...phew that was close" [paraphrasing, he didnt say that, obviusly the profit from gun sales is a niggley problem but theres nothing gun shops can do about it I guess]
Or hear me out if ALL stores stopped filling these out and ALL of the distributers/manufacturers refused to provide the government with paperwork, weapons, and ammunition, I can almost guarantee you we could get the ATF off our ass within a week. All I want is every safe sane and sober person to train and carry, it would end all this senseless violence before it even happens.
I hate how you have to fill it out EVERYTIME I just wish that if the gun store you buy at regularly can keep it on file and just resubmit it in the same or a better system that does your background check and if it passes it passes and if it doesn’t then no firearm for you because 99% of the time your answers should be the same everytime unless they get rid of or add questions
When i got my first gun the guy at the counter told me i was the first one to correctly write the county instead of country in the "Co." Box like wtf nobody abbreviates county with Co.
I just want to know, i'll travel to america in 1-2 year. Since i'll go with just an horse a rifle and few stuff, i think i'll buy a firearms derectly in a gunshop, in the US. But will i have to présent any paper for ammo or to buy a handgun? It's to hunt and défend myself in case of danger in the wild
The ATF in general is unconstitutional. The Federal government doesn't have any granted authority over our privately owned firearms. The second amendment just adds a further layer of protection for our rights, and they still get around that..
That’s why I buy all my guns privately ATF has no idea how many I have all I do is show my CCW to the seller so they can see I’m not a hoodlum then I’m on my way.
If convicted of a felony you cannot have your record expunged. That is only for individuals who have been found innocent of charges and it removes court records. I can only get a simple pardon and that doesn't give you your rights back. I have to petition the court for my rights.
Love the channel and the short videos too. Keep ‘em coming guys. I know your obligated to follow the law if you want to stay in business. However all I hear is the ATF’s way to keep a registry. Clearly a 2nd amendment infringement. Also a 4th amendment infringement when they can see who has what with out warrants. Last but not least when they come door to door for confiscation they will have a list of everything you have filled one out for. Tyrannical government overreach is all I can see. God bless and good day to all.
4473 doesn't do anything against criminal types. It's backdoor registration. But, over a million NICS checks/month 48 months straight is good news. And that number is low with the states that take the CCW as the background check. And btw, carry permit holders nationwide, have cleaner criminal records than police. Ref John Lott Crime Prevention Research Center.
Local law enforcement is almost universally terrible at keeping up with paperwork, or managing anything other than simple arrests. You’d be surprised how much evidence is lost or accidentally ruined by incompetent cops on a daily basis. If you’re worried about ATF overreach, imagine what every small town sheriff with a grudge can do if he’s given complete authority over that kind of a database.
@@NA-yf2lj because there is a high standard for evidence of there is even a slight possibility of contamination or a break in the chain of custody it’s useless shit happens and people make mistakes. Hell I was told if one number of the report number (the full numbers are long) is wrong or was shortened it’ll be seen as no good. You also have no idea how much paper work goes into a case and reports and how things can be lost or omitted by mistake
Gun shops should start placing signs where the law enforcement discount/ability to purchase “special firearms” is not applied to ATF. With another sign saying we have the right to refuse service to anyone. I’ve never understood why any 2A geared organization would support the ATF
I like how the atf has an illegal registry, but asks the ffl to dig it up out of their own records. Why TF do you even have a registry? Oh yeah, so you know where the guns are when it comes time for confiscation.
Y'all remember the video of the ATF agent illegally taking pictures of 4473's during an audit?
and threatening to pull the shop owners FFL if he interfered with her criminal conduct?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Yes I do. ATF is gay
@@angercatalystPepperidge farm always remembers
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Yes it was in AZ out by queen creek.
Remember in red dawn where the 1st order of business after paratrooping in is to go raid gunshops for the 4473 forms- literally
I unfortunately think that our own government is more likely to try and take our firearms than another country is. Stand firm in your rights, no matter what. They won’t be taking a thing from me.
@@ThanksforcensoringmeRUclipsI've been threatened by Joe Biden and democrats like Eric Swalwell with Nuked and fighter jets than I ever have been by Vladimir Putin or Xi Jingping. And yes I'm implying that the democrat party is more threatening to my livelihood than Russia or China.
@@ThanksforcensoringmeRUclipstheyll take them a round at a time 😊
In the new one or the old one?
@@Fukyouimfromtexasold one
Those 4473’s try and trick you more and more every day, I love the confusing phrases on the first box list
Mark 1 yes and no to the rest. Basically all asking if you have a criminal record or are u in America illegally.
@@kevinthomas2906 i know lol I was workin in a gun shop for the last couple months , I know how to fill them out but I feel for older folks ya know?
@@david-468It's changed several times over the past 25 years. It was yellow and stayed the same since 68. Then Bill was elected.
@@kevinthomas2906 Who would answer ''yes''?
@donlarocque5157 my God, you people have to read before you fill out a government form? The horror
If an FFL gets shut down or they decide to close it, you have to send in all those forms to the ATF...
Yeah, not a backdoor registry at all....
After 10 years they take them anyway.
What if accidental flood damage or fire destroys the forms?
@seth7745 you lose your ffl, the license is essentially only to keep their paperwork
It's basically a registry disguised as something else. If you don't think this system can be abused by the ATF in the way a registry would, I know a guy in Nigeria who wants to give you a million dollars for your bank info.
It’s not a registry because unless the ATF comes in, they don’t know about it. It’s not like when you put in for a tax stamp. If you don’t see that then you’re fucked in the head there’s nothing more I can say for you.
Literally all the guns I have are from one FFL and if someone was to burn the place down or even flood damage there would be no record of my purchases. It’s a simple as that.
Before you say, they submit it for a background check, they don’t do that down here in Georgia If you have a concealed carry permit like I do, it just goes in the back in the file cabinet records.
@@mrgrump2534 But you still do the paperwork, correct? 4473? It just isn't submitted over the phone or over the computer.
a registry sounds pretty well regulated if you ask me
@@airsoft2xtremehitler has the same ideals. The registry really helped him murder the heavily resisting poles easier.
Damn I am so right , background checks, unconstitutional, waiting periods, and permits unconstitutional totally.
Background checks sorry bud I don’t think a sad sack of shit going into stores and buying a gun is a good idea
@@gus908 What the fuck is your problem, I don't even know you.
@@gus908 What? Criminals should be allowed to legally purchase fire arms as well, don'tcha know
@@gus908if someone wants to commit a crime they are going to buy a gun illegally lol waiting times do nothing
When the ATF was running guns to Mexico during Fast and Furious did they fill out one of these papers for each gun.
I believe it's unconstitutional to force people to register guns. This gives government an unfair advantage over its citizens. They know who has guns before they even go to a house.
I think that if the government is in a situation where they have to check to see if a person is armed before RAIDING THEIR HOUSE is a lot more worrisome than whether the person that’s in trouble has a gun. But that’s just me.
@@taquitobandito6054 the entire point of the right to bear arms is to protect against a tyrannical government.
@@daboo123no it isn’t, that’s just a jingoist catchphrase for simpletons. The founding fathers immediately set up an unjust system by and for the land owning, white men, maintained slavery.
Having an armed citizenry was ultimately in their best interest of maintaining that project, then expanding primitive accumulation and westward settler colonialism - settlers killing natives, white supremacists intimidating blacks, etc. Not because they were so magnanimous that they were cool with themselves being overthrown by armed force lol.
The panthers open carrying startled that system into beginning the gun control avalanche we’re still in today, but the class consciousness of the working class is still so low that the massive gun ownership presents no threat to the system - in fact, they can count on armed right wing militias showing up to intimate civil rights protests, vigilante border patrols and a crisis of murdered indigenous women.
And of course it’s lucrative industry itself - as this guy cynically alludes to “ in the interest of putting more firearms into the hands of Americans”, ie profit for that business owner.
@@ronbunn1349 everything you just said was factually incorrect.
@@ronbunn1349 Reddit tier.
Yes, because the criminal that left their gun on the crime scene, legally bought that firearm and filled out a 4473...
Well, you're correct...
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I'm pretty sure that there are still many crimes committed with legally bought firearms
Or the person they bought it from bought it legally.
@@patricksnyder7307right because we know who they bought it from even tho that’s untraced.
People steal guns and hide them 😂 stop tryna downplay the violence in america
I spent 15 mins rereading the form when I got my gun. The way its phrased I had to ask the clerk what it meant and he said "hes not allowed to help".
Lol so if Im confused and imagine how many people checked "yes" on the insanely confusing "dont sell or gift your gun to someone who cant carry" part because of how terribly composed it is.
And apparently NY requires the same form to be filled out for ammo purchases. So glad I got out
It's called buy fron a individual in Texas.....no ffl no 4473 no papertrail. Grown adults engaging in legal gunselling / buying. FREEDOM
Thats not just texas, private purchases are damn near everywhere but the big three
Still have to go through a background check meaning if you have anything on your record it’s a no go for getting a gun. And it shouldn’t surprise anyone in the U.S. either. Nowhere in the constitution is there a guarantee that people can bear arms
@@j2simpso you're incorrect there's no background check required if buying a gun from an individual in the state of Texas. Must be over 21 , and no felonies or crimes.
No background check required...0, zero
@j2simpso "The right to keep and BEAR arms, shall not be infringed."
That's written in the constitution. The 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights. I don't know how much clearer you can get.
@@BenjanuvaI stand with you on the matter but, I think if you even accidentally sell to a felon that makes you a felon. We live with our rights infringed already. Felons don't loose the right to the first or third but somehow the 2nd. When it can be taken away it's not a right but instead only a privilege.
ATF unconstitutional
I don’t get it. What part of “shall not be infringed upon” did they not understand? Sounded pretty clear to me
Then I hope you're not complicit. For a man to say "shall not be infringed", but to then beg permission to exercise the Right or to refrain from exercising the Right would make a man a coward and a hypocrite. I just pray for the day we're not a nation of cowards anymore. If there's one thing the Founding Fathers were right about, that they repeated time and time again, it is that Freedom Required Bravery. A nation of cowards can never be Free.
Does the form stop you from buying the gun?
Gun registry what is hard to understand about that to understand. CCW registration gun registration. Same thing.
My local shop has it all on an iPad. Makes things so much easier fir those of us with terrible handwriting.
I'd go with my terrible handwriting over an electronic (digital) form.
...and so much easier for government to get a hold of them. They shouldn't be doing it At All. They are Agents of Government, committing serious crimes against The People.
until you use one where the form zooms in so much when you're trying to enter text that pretty much anyone standing around you can read your shit lol
Be careful with that, I’ve been going to the same ffl that uses an iPad as well and just recently I had to go to a different ffl since cmmg didn’t deliver to the one I usually go to. Anyways I’m talking with the employee telling him I’ve never done the paper form that they use and he informed me to be really careful with the electronic forms because if you submit it and you misspelled or entered something wrong then you have to go through a 30 day waiting period before you can retry the form. He said a lot of people he tells that to didn’t know about it. Mind you I’m in Montana which is one of the most free states when it comes to 2A.
@@tylerlichon9529 really, they only ship to some FFL's but not others? We need to get rid of this disgusting, cowardly FFL system and every FFL needs to face the same trials that tyrannical Agents of Government face, because That Is What They Are.
Jarrod looks hella different with out the long beard
Hahaha
F the atf
Cowards deserve what cowards obey.
Im just glad one of my local businesses does it digitally. It's a fairly quick process compared to the paperwork version.
@WeThePeeple1776 Easier for government to get a hold of. It's like saying, "I'm glad the cops come to my house and search my anus every night, so I don't have to go there".
@@deucedeuce1572😂
Always wondered if those documents have to be stored in one piece. I think it would be fitting for the AFT to conduct an audit and be handed a trash bag full of shredded paper.
Lol "hey here's your $hit you asked for.... Have a nice day Ass.To.Face" oh man had a good laugh at this.
I learned that I had to fill it out to get my own gun returned to me. I transferred via another FFL to Gunbros and was surprised when I had to fill it out. Also, the government changed the form, make sure you read the questions CAREFULLY😅
I know it seems shady as Hell, but since the FFL has to book the firearm into their books- and has to release it to the customer, they need to have them fill out the form so they can release it back to you. As weird as it sounds, it's just how it works.
And when they don't tell you is that whenthat gun store goes out of business get take I guess who gets all the records!
Ive filled out so many that i get them done in like 2 minutes now lol
Sheep
@@worlore1651 yes, that is an animal
@@Grooove_e It's a slave, unable to make its own decisions or live its own life.
@@deucedeuce1572 Well thats a dark way to look at it. How would that be relevant to my original comment?
@@Grooove_e Because slaves beg permission to exercise Rights. That's why he called you a sheep.
Had guns all my life, never bought one from a gun store before. Yard sales, private sellers etc.
Thank you sir! That’s the attitude I like to see!
Getting my old Remington 870 was paper work in the pawnshop then afterwards the old guy was waiting for digital paperwork to go through it only took 3 hours from signing the paperwork, getting the digital paperwork through and then bringing my boomstick home with me
I only go to dealers that store on paper & my specific dealer makes a point to store their 20,000+ papers as unorganized as possible so if there is an audit they can’t just digitally search or sort by name. Also can’t buy online so CC information isn’t always linked to the FFL as well. Pretty much the dealer said “I do this so IF they wanted to know everyone that bought an AR from me or how many guns each customer got they would need to manually sort through 20,000 unorganized papers they can’t leave with and give up after 5 minutes”
I hate these forms. About 1\2 the time I skim it and answer a yes
o wrong. What's bad is that I know in advance that I do that...
The form literally saves this guy and every firearm dealer from going to jail. 😂
I sure am glad our founders didn't think like that.
That form didn't even exist until 1993.
In heller v washington. Justice Scalia had stated that since the word regulate was in the second amendment that the government can regulate firearms. No where in the second amendment does anything mean possess. The second amendment is one sentence with recommends in it. That makes the entire sentence connected to each other. It's basic English and apparently that eludes you. The front of the sentence was connected to the back of the sentence. You can't have keeping bear arms without having the right to form a militia..
The Heller decision is self refuting. In upholding the individual right to bear arms by citizens not affiliated with a militia that can prevent a government standing army from infringing rights (particularly disarmament), the citizens need access to weapons that are equal in force sufficient to deter any current government standing army or select militia from enforcing any infringement on bearing arms.
District of Columbia v. Heller
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2-53.(a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2-22.(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court's interpretation of the operative clause. The "militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens' militia would be preserved. Pp. 22-28.(c) The Court's interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28-30.(d) The Second Amendment's drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30-32.(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court's conclusion. Pp. 32-47.(f) None of the Court's precedents forecloses the Court's interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876), nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886), refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.
(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56.(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition - in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute - would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D.C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56-64.
The Opinion of the Court, delivered by Justice Scalia, was joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. and by Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.[47]
You can't comply you way out if tyranny.
Well it actually makes sense
Definitely take your time and READ the form, some stores are not allowing you to redo the paper if you make a mistake.
That's atf directive, if a store is allowing you to "alter" your form regardless if it's clearly an accident it could be considered perjury and could land them 10 in fed prison
This is why I just make my own guns
Amen.
Don't buy your gun from a FFL. Always buy private. It may suck but always protect yourself.
That shadow too is a great starter pistol 👍🏽
Every day, the cops catch fugitives who try to buy guns and check the yes box on the question asking if they are fugitives.
ATF should be the name of a supermarket
According to Democrats and all of the gun grabbers spouting on about the recent shooting up in Maine. That form doesn't exist
I’m a democrat and I’m pro-gun lol
@@afeatofyeet2695How does that work? No shade, I’m genuinely curious
@@Lord_FriedI'm independent and pro-gun. Collecting, hunting, competition, or just shooting at a range. I do however think that all guns should be registered, you should have license to carry a firearm like most Americans who drive automobiles. If a gun was sold at a business like Gun Bros and something was overlooked, it needs to be investigated as to why.
@@dnllrntI’d have to disagree with you on that one. Needing a license to carry a gun goes directly against what the second amendment states. That doesn’t make it a right to bear arms anymore. It makes it a government controlled privilege. The same way you have the freedom of speech and being able to say what you want whenever or wherever you choose is what the right to bear arms should also be. You should have the right to carry whatever gun you want, wherever you want, and whenever you want to do so. Granted you should still be responsible and respectful with this. The very second that someone starts to control your freedom is the same second that it no longer becomes a freedom, but a regulation.
@@Lord_Friedthe fact that people don’t know you can be on the left and pro gun is astonishing. The propaganda has infected your mind my brother in arms.
Just filled out my first 4473 today, it was an electronic 4473
Glad they're making things easier for the slaves these days. Such nice masters.
@@deucedeuce1572 still find all this shit and infringement, but you're just too focused on that slave shit, classic ignorant reply
'Shadow Industries' in his hands. Awesome tool. But 918s don't take Glock magazines, but Magpul goes well.
The 4473s were stolen by the ATF and IRS at a local gunshop here in great falls just last yr Highwood Creek Outfitters you can look it up.
Where I'm from you submit a 20 to 30 page application to the local law enforcement and wait 3 to 6 months for them to approve your purchase before you are allowed to take ownership of your pew pew.
I would give my left kneecap to only fill in 1 paper and that's it
where I'm at you can do all that, and the local law will still tell you gfy
@@matthew4326 same here. You from South Africa as well?
This is why face to face sales are superior
Amen Brother
And make no mistake about it, they absolutely keep a registry of what you bought, when you bought it, serial numbers etc
I live in a state that you need to get 2 people as references when you are getting a firearm, then pay to get a background check and then pay the police department when you fill out the paperwork
Wow I say infringement and taxation without representation. Wow we can really take a lot of communism can't we.
I would gladly fill out this form if it meant I could own a firearm in the UK. It really is a small price to pay.
Isn't that precisely how it started? Isn't that what like 100 countries around the world said, just before losing that Right? You can't compromise with tyranny. It will ALWAYS take something from you until you are left with Nothing.
Sounds like a run around version of a registry
Now we have to do something similar in NYS for ammunition sales
Basically I’m being registered into their system every time I buy a gun. I mean I knew all along. It ain’t gonna stop me. But it’s unconstitutional as hell
It shouldn't stop you, because you should be obtaining firearms without filling out the paperwork and without violating your own Rights.
You’re phone and/or computer you just typed this on is giving the government way more useful and personal information than anything you’re putting on that form.
A 4473 is nothing compared to the nightmare you go through in states like NJ.
Love the new look Jarod!
"Mo guns, mo profi- I mean SAFETY. safety...phew that was close" [paraphrasing, he didnt say that, obviusly the profit from gun sales is a niggley problem but theres nothing gun shops can do about it I guess]
Or hear me out if ALL stores stopped filling these out and ALL of the distributers/manufacturers refused to provide the government with paperwork, weapons, and ammunition, I can almost guarantee you we could get the ATF off our ass within a week. All I want is every safe sane and sober person to train and carry, it would end all this senseless violence before it even happens.
This is all hilarious
I hate how you have to fill it out EVERYTIME I just wish that if the gun store you buy at regularly can keep it on file and just resubmit it in the same or a better system that does your background check and if it passes it passes and if it doesn’t then no firearm for you because 99% of the time your answers should be the same everytime unless they get rid of or add questions
"its just a background check" they say
"then why do you need to send the serial number for each gun i bought today" i say.
When i got my first gun the guy at the counter told me i was the first one to correctly write the county instead of country in the "Co." Box like wtf nobody abbreviates county with Co.
Thank you for the Truth behind the Agenda.
great idea.
i feel like the 4473 isnt gonna help them catch criminals because the criminals got their hands on a gun illegally
I just want to know, i'll travel to america in 1-2 year. Since i'll go with just an horse a rifle and few stuff, i think i'll buy a firearms derectly in a gunshop, in the US. But will i have to présent any paper for ammo or to buy a handgun?
It's to hunt and défend myself in case of danger in the wild
I had to do a 4473 to buy a Glock. I later had to do a 4473 in the same Glock to send it to myself in another state.
It's not to help law enforcement, it's to keep atf/government eyes on us.
Why is it unconstitutional? Genuinely asking from the UK
The ATF in general is unconstitutional. The Federal government doesn't have any granted authority over our privately owned firearms. The second amendment just adds a further layer of protection for our rights, and they still get around that..
Make sure to buy at least 3 per back ground check so you won't have to do it as often.
That way they know what you have..
It's a registry.
In my opinion the Type of Firearm or Serial number shouldn't be required only that your information is Valid and you pass the Background check
That’s why I buy all my guns privately ATF has no idea how many I have all I do is show my CCW to the seller so they can see I’m not a hoodlum then I’m on my way.
Can I buy a gun in the u.s as a Canadian citizen who lives in Florida during the winter? No criminal record
When the FFL moves or gets shut down, the ATF collects the paperwork for a national gun registry. Fact
Serious question, if there's no registry of legal guns, how would law-enforcement know which guns are illegally obtained?
Been disenfranchised since 2005 for under a quarter of marijuana. Unfortunately that paper keeps me from owning a firearm.
Get it expunged
If convicted of a felony you cannot have your record expunged. That is only for individuals who have been found innocent of charges and it removes court records. I can only get a simple pardon and that doesn't give you your rights back. I have to petition the court for my rights.
Love the channel and the short videos too. Keep ‘em coming guys. I know your obligated to follow the law if you want to stay in business. However all I hear is the ATF’s way to keep a registry. Clearly a 2nd amendment infringement. Also a 4th amendment infringement when they can see who has what with out warrants. Last but not least when they come door to door for confiscation they will have a list of everything you have filled one out for. Tyrannical government overreach is all I can see. God bless and good day to all.
Great video/info. What’s the pistol above your right shoulder? Looks like a small MP5? Thanks!!
PTR 9!
what happens if all those hard copy 4473s "accidentally" get shredded or burned?
Shall be regulated? Trace request is a ploy.
4473 doesn't do anything against criminal types. It's backdoor registration. But, over a million NICS checks/month 48 months straight is good news. And that number is low with the states that take the CCW as the background check. And btw, carry permit holders nationwide, have cleaner criminal records than police. Ref John Lott Crime Prevention Research Center.
Anything to get your information!
That is too much.
Easier to buy it on the street 😂
If you have a CCW that may be enough in some places.
So the 4473’s I fill out on the IPads at my local shop stays in the shop? I thought it gets transmitted to ATF. 🤔
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
Tyranny
I generally buy my weapons from other people rather than shops because of this bs
So what happens if the store would burn down with all the documents in it. How would you retrieve the information?
Why can’t the local law enforcement just do that? Why do we need the ATF, law enforcement can do the same thing.
Neither should be able to do it cause there shouldn’t be a form
Because local law enforcement aren't trying to create an unconstitutional national firearms registry disguised as a "safety" measure.
Local law enforcement is almost universally terrible at keeping up with paperwork, or managing anything other than simple arrests. You’d be surprised how much evidence is lost or accidentally ruined by incompetent cops on a daily basis. If you’re worried about ATF overreach, imagine what every small town sheriff with a grudge can do if he’s given complete authority over that kind of a database.
@@NA-yf2lj because there is a high standard for evidence of there is even a slight possibility of contamination or a break in the chain of custody it’s useless shit happens and people make mistakes. Hell I was told if one number of the report number (the full numbers are long) is wrong or was shortened it’ll be seen as no good.
You also have no idea how much paper work goes into a case and reports and how things can be lost or omitted by mistake
Oh the inhumanity. Filling out a form to purchase a weopan.
Trust me they store it themselves, regardless of what they say
Isn't it great that something that helps solve crimes is seen as "unconstitutional" what a world we live in
Read the consitutution, especially the 2, 5, 6, 7, and 8th amendments and come back, THEN tell us what you think is constitutional
If you guys are surprised by this..then don't look what are Czech republic's terms of getting a gun
Gun shops should start placing signs where the law enforcement discount/ability to purchase “special firearms” is not applied to ATF. With another sign saying we have the right to refuse service to anyone. I’ve never understood why any 2A geared organization would support the ATF
I agree with the unconstitutionality of it all.
Nah I just buy off armslist. Never had to fill out any paper work haha.
I filled one out the first time I bought a gun I shouldn’t have to do it again the damn gun is in my name
I'm not an American and I don't understand whats bad or annoying about this form, could someone explain it to me?
Don't have too if you have a CCW.
I like how the atf has an illegal registry, but asks the ffl to dig it up out of their own records. Why TF do you even have a registry? Oh yeah, so you know where the guns are when it comes time for confiscation.
Got all the shit for mill out kits no longer need the unconstitutional paper at all . Works on pistols and rifles.
Not in my state!