I can’t wait for Capaldi’s era. I’ve seen so many people say “Good Doctor, bad writing” and it really frustrates me because he has one of the best arcs in the whole show.
@@halu959986 It was like being given a beautiful flower arangement and then being punched in the nuts. Like sure. The flowers looked great but you still punched me in the nuts. Any flower afterward won't erase the nut punching.
@@Tolstoy111 Well it had a bit of a dull plot and would have been a forgettable episode, but him making his Mary Sue charecter immortal AFTER killing her off was a bit much.
@@zarrg5611thats just moffat. Not the series fault really i personally liked the episode because it felt like the show could move on after that even if it was in a moffat way
Just have to say that Matt Smith is simply wonderful in this episode. He truly gives the story the "magical presence" it needs. Along with the story's prop-master who definitely added to the magic.
I'm not a huge fan of this episode, but I do think it's the characterisation Matt Smith's Doctor should have leaned into much more. It's much more distinct from Tennant, and doesn't have the weird sexual and violent undertones a lot of Moffat's writing gave him. I much prefer 11 as a man with a duality between childish joy and world-weariness
I feel like we already had our fill of schmaltzy happy endings in this episode, with the family coming together, the trees being saved, Madge becoming a hero through just being herself...
I think that making Reg go back to his date in London after surviving and never returning would have been so hilarious yet sad, you see these characters grieving over their husband/dad who they think is dead while hes off dating chicks in London.
I feel really bad for this episode... it was trying to mimic the last Christmas special and it suffers for it. A lot. Probably because it also wants to have its own identity, which results at 3 different stories all at once. Yeah its bad... Also it has a banger scene at the end with the doctor saying hello to the ponds, and then saying they always do was just incredible, and that tear like *DUDE* thats why the ponds and the doctor are an excellent pairing/trio depending on how they are utilized. Ok now time to actually watch the video
I'm sorry but I actually love this episode, love mag, the second she is flying through the timevortex crying about seeing her husband's death literally makes me cry everytime 😩
This is the only Doctor Who episode that gets me ugly crying every time The scene "I don't want to see him die. Goodbye my love" and the confront of the kids with this reality is heartbreaking everything is so well acted and feel genuine. A grieving mother trying to stay strong facing the ominous news of an absent father. Plus, the star that was the only safe option to follow to get home is the nail in the coffin My favorite Christmas Special of all time I think if you have ever lost a significant one (your spouse, your liver, your dearest friend) this episode will echoe with you on a much deeper level. I do not have children but the sheer "let them be happy cause you know they are going to be broken afterward" is genuinely human and the guilt / and the dilemma of it all we can all relate to that children or not. I do not know if the ending is that bad for the scenario. The journey of the trio enables them to become prepared in a way to the reality of loosing someone only postponed i think it is quite positive. You still have the sake of the cathartic release but also it reminds you that this is a Christmas special. Having such a harrowing confrontation to reality is enough apart for being heartbreaking with the death of the father The cameo of the Williams was a bliss Such a good ending !...then why the 'd€&%( are they coming back trhough mini episodes when we witness the destruction of their relationship ?! Anyway thank you so much for this video
I remember hearing Bill Bailey was finally be in Doctor Who for this episode, and I was so excited...you can imagine my disappointment when he ends up as a 2 minutes of screen time throwaway cameo
this was my first christmas special from doctor who, i remember christmas that year wasnt as good for most of my family because of certain things at the time, but i distinctly remember waking up on christmas morning and being really excited for the special, (which was probably the only thing keeping me from being shut in my room all day) for me it didn't really disappoint :). Great video as always harbo
My family and I bought pirate DVDs of Doctor Who and that’s how we watched the entirety of Tennant and Matt Smith, but this episode wasn’t in them so we were incredibly surprised when we bought the original DVDs and this was included
I love this Christmas special and I love the Chronicles of Narnia, even coming up with my own sequel idea, which I wrote about in my community tab, you'll have to do some scrolling
I’m not really a fan of this episode but Claire Skinner’s acting really makes it forgivable for me tbh. Her acting when she has to see her husband die makes my heart ache even tho I’ve seen it a few times
I didn't forget. Legitimately one of my favorites, nauseatingly twee though it is. Also a great place to on-board a new Who watcher, as Christmas specials usually are.
He tried to hard to shoehorn a Christmas miracle in. Making the ship into a greenhouse and growing more amazing plants in it and the family living in the big house without Reg would've been amazing.
My younger self immediately wondered if the Doctor had ever encountered the fairies from Torchwood when he mentioned Fairyland. Though, on current reflection, it was probably some kind of space Disneyland.
As an American viewer of DW, I seldom am aware of who "big name guest stars" actually are. So since I don't know who Bill Baily is, I don't see his character or his character time, as a waste. No offense meant.
Same. Usually when a character I don’t know gets some importance it’s usually a classic who person I don’t know like Sarah Jane I like the actors being treated as actors and then finding out they’re actually famous people. Makes it less cheesy to have a guest star. Hell I didn’t even know Kylie Minogue was Astrid because she was played so neutrally
The main problem here is that there seems to be a mentality which states "A Christmas Special MUST have a happy ending." So Reg HAD to come back. And yeah, the "Moffat doesn't really want anyone to permanently die" thing pops up also. (Little did we know...)
This was the first episode of Doctor Who that I GENUINELY didn’t enjoy. Series 5 was great, series 6 was decent but I still enjoyed (even night terrors and TWORS) but this is the first episode I genuinely just couldn’t get into and I will never forget how disappointed I was lmao. I will say I did love the ending though. LOVED it. The only good part
So is there going to be a video on the Pond Life minisodes before the season 7a reviews, or not? I wouldn't blame you for ignoring it, but it's the only thing that kind of acknowledges Amy and Rory splitting up before Asylum of the Daleks.
Talk about one of the most forgettable Christmas stories of the whole run, the criminal underuse of Bill Bailey and Arabella Weir, but the audacity of this story for being set on Androzani Major is unforgivable.
@@colemacgrath2005 it's the twin planet of androzani minor, which is where the 5th doctor's last episode takes place. Also I thought the pilots were from androzani major but it took place on a different planet
I remember this special, and i also remember is being very strange, as well as reminding of the video for viva forever by the spice girls for some reason.
The problem with this story is that the quality is literally “At least they tried” Which is something I feel bad saying because this special had a lot going for it. Yet they dropped the ball so hard and I’m said for it
0:14 Our seasons are perfectly mirrored to yours so it's currently autumn, not winter. America is the one with the weird starting dates for the seasons.
I love the beginning and end of this episode, the beginning is probably the best action scene the show has to offer, and the end is one of the only scenes in the entire show that makes me cry (The Doctor coming back to Amy and Rory). The middle is just not very good tho, which is unfortunate.
If i had a nickel for everytime The Doctor saved a World War soldier played by Mark Gatiss in a Christmas special i would have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice right?
I loved the first half of the episode. The Doctor helping a woman through the loss and grief of her husband dying around Christmas. When the portal to another world is introduced the story goes downhill.
Yes! This episode should have been the last time we see Amy and Rory. Series 7 Part 1 could have been exactly the same but with a different and all-new couple
i do really like the pagan look of the tree gods, or whatever they're supposed to be, but that's all they are -- aesthetically interesting. it would've been neat to have the idea behind them fleshed out, especially juxtaposed with something like the narnia story, which is well known for its christian themes and imagery. dunno, just food for thought.
Bro really made fun of "go woke go broke" people despite it having a track record and THEN said river song was badly written 💀💀💀 bro is onto NOTHING ‼️‼️
With the castings of Jodie Whittaker, Ncuti Gatwa and Yasmin Finney, plus a bunch of Chibnall era episodes being about things like environmentalism and capitalism, there are some who have accused the show of going woke, and Harbo’s saying “no you dickheads, it’s always been that way” I don’t think he’s saying it’s a bad thing, just that people were ignorant if they missed the show’s progressive message
@@MrLarry I don't really participate in fandom at all, so I wasn't aware of that segment of the viewership. I just figured the issues with the Chibnall era were more writing based, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised 😒
@@MrLarry It's just so convenient that all this woke box ticking is coinciding with the show's declining ratings amongst a majority of fans. While the so-called "progressives" accuse the fans who don't submit to their preaching, of various social improprieties. Hopefully RTD will tone it back (a lot), but I doubt it. Anyway, if it gets cancelled due to it's poor ratings. This big bad "Get woke, go broke crowd" can give a heartfelt "We told you so".
Not watched this ep in years, but I have a recollection of wondering as to what happened to the other crewmen on the plane when it appears at the estate at the end. They're no where to be seen. And wasn't one of them already dead? Still not a good Christmas for his family and loved ones.
You know, I just realised... I don't think I have ever watched this episode in full. I know I started watching it when I was binging Doctor Who but I skipped it because that kids glasses annoyed me... Like, really irritated me. I couldn't pay attention to anything else so it got skipped.
Absolutey agree about the father's return at the end completely negating the main point of the story. While the boy actor was awful (possibly inspiring those k8d actors in Capaldi's Forest of the Night to be as awful as they possibly could) I thought the girl actor was terrific. But wasn't she actually much older than the character?
I've never watched or read any Narnia movies or books. So that source for this ep doesn't mean anything to me. I love the idea of the large gift box opening up to another world and how exciting that would be. Although, I'm not certain as to why the Doctor thought such a gift would be a good idea for curious kids. The Doctor didn't seem to know the box led to Androzani Minor, so that aspect of the story always confused me.
Actually... Yes it was really bad! However. It did have a Lancaster bomber in it. And Just Jane which is beiing restored in Lincs. So for that reason alone I can watch the Lancaster bits. Always nice to see Just Jane on the TV
Just to check though, when is this episode set? I think Harbo says 1941, If that’s the case, as you know, the Lanc. Doesn’t come into general service until 1942. Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey I suppose But yes I have to agree, major love for the Lancaster being featured
@@eagleclaw899 Good morning. I enjoyed your comment and did not realise it was set in 41. I assumed around 44. It was still lovely to see the Lanc. At least it gave youngsters a view if it that might have never heard of it. As you say, 41 was to early. Maybe he should have been flying a Manchester?
@@spitfiremark1a768 Maybe so, if so. Best of luck to him. And I understand why they used the iconic lancaster, and I'm not even sure if there's any surviving examples of Manchesters or Wellingtons
@@eagleclaw899 No Manchesters. Not many wete prodiced and I thonk production fuselages were converted to Lancasters. I think there is only one Wellington, and that is at Hendon. From memory that aircraft was used in the Dambisters film.
I didnt forget about it, becuase apparantly the ABC just simply love to adore to stream this episode live all the time. The rare occasion Doctor Who is on live and my family wants to watch it, it ALWAYS seems to be this godawful special.
I have a beautiful Italian leather wallet which I’ve had since my 18th birthday and 11 years on it’s still perfect. I hope to never misplace/lose it and I love it
My issue with wokeness comes from Chibnall and his clumsy writing. Back when this aired it was a tad clumsy at times, but mostly little different from previous DW history, but Chibbs really cannot be subtle or effective in most areas under his influence, which is made more obvious when he is actually able to do good writing. Oh well, he's gone now, and looking forward to the new era.
4:31 no we're not, we're a species operating within an economic system built on endless growth, do not essentialise the self destructive flaws of capitalism to the human species.
Doctor Mysterio is a superhero homage (Grant’s mask definitely looks like it was inspired by Kyle Rayner’s, which has proven a challenge to a few artists), which Doctor Who doesn’t usually do, so there’s not much to compare it to in terms of similarly premised stories. As it pointed out here, TDTWATW is heavily influenced by a famous novel right down to the episode title, and uses themes the show had recently explored at the time so there is a lot more to use as a comparison point. It even got a sequel in a comicbook miniseries called Ghost Stories.
Yea I don’t love this one either, but the Inception pastiche of Last Christmas is so trite, tonally confused, and rife with unforgivable Moffatisms that I think it’s the worst Christmas Special of the modern series (haven’t seen all the Chibnall specials, though… maybe one of those is worse?).
Does everyone Really hate this special though? I loved it. Granted, I'm a huge Narnia fan, and the ending is similar to the ending of Nanny McPhee and the Big Bang which I also love, so I could be biased here. I dunno. It's simple to understand, which is perfect for a Christmas special because a lot of individuals within a family will have to watch it regardless of whether or not they keep up to date with the rest if the show, and it doesn't take itself too seriously. Also, this isn't a power of love ending. Madge isn't able to carry the trees through the time vortex because of love, its because she is a biological mother, so she is literally able and experienced in carrying life inside her. Reg only gets saved by accident, because obviously a grieving widow is going to think of her husband when she thinks of home, and they were in the time vortex. Lovey dovey doesn't equal love saves the day.
Honestly? I love your reviews and although I agree with much of this one, I take issue with two points. First - the children - their acting, to me, was on point, especially Cyril. I raised 3 children, and believe me - that’s how they behave (though not all the time, thank goodness)! I’ve noticed that you are very open about your dislike of children, which is fine, but I think it colours your judgment whenever they are featured. Second, the Happy Ending - this was absolutely essential for a Christmas Special centred around a family, and one that would be watched by families at Christmas. I completely got the logic of Madge and the trees’ life-force lighting Reg’s way home (similar to the wonderful scene in Apollo 13, where Commander Lovell talks about how his life was saved by iridescent algae after he lost his lights). Yes, it’s fantastical, but isn’t Doctor Who? One of the main points of a story like this one is to impart joy, whimsy, and wonder for all those children sitting around with their families at Christmas, not to make everyone miserable by permanently killing off dad. Doctor Who has plenty of dark episodes. For me, although it’s by no means my favourite episode, it did what I expected and deserves a better review.
... You are literally made a defending the despised about defending this episode from the "go woke, go broke" people have... Hell, in this video you are those people.
I wonder why Moffat always feels the need to copy classic Christmas stories for ALL of his specials? XD (Well, maybe not all but seriously, the first two at least!?)
I liked that special as I did the others, but I am biased and stan Dr Who even the new one. Now the recent Flux series was the only good Jodi Whitaker series but that is Chris Chibnall's fault not her as she can act. Chris Chibnall did the Dinosaurs in Space episode under Matt Smith Dr Who and it shows how bad at storytelling he is.
This special is meh for me. Like it's not so horrifically bad that it frustrates me but then it's not good either. it's just fine. like its cute and sweet but it's very bland. Meh is the best word to use to describe it i feel.
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I can’t wait for Capaldi’s era. I’ve seen so many people say “Good Doctor, bad writing” and it really frustrates me because he has one of the best arcs in the whole show.
I think Hell Bent left such a sour taste in so many people mouths that they miss remember the rest of capaldi's era as being bad also
@@halu959986 It was like being given a beautiful flower arangement and then being punched in the nuts.
Like sure. The flowers looked great but you still punched me in the nuts. Any flower afterward won't erase the nut punching.
@@halu959986 Hell Bent was good. I don't get why people are so down on it. Maybe Heaven Sent set up expectations that were not met.
@@Tolstoy111 Well it had a bit of a dull plot and would have been a forgettable episode, but him making his Mary Sue charecter immortal AFTER killing her off was a bit much.
@@zarrg5611thats just moffat.
Not the series fault really i personally liked the episode because it felt like the show could move on after that even if it was in a moffat way
Just have to say that Matt Smith is simply wonderful in this episode. He truly gives the story the "magical presence" it needs. Along with the story's prop-master who definitely added to the magic.
I'm not a huge fan of this episode, but I do think it's the characterisation Matt Smith's Doctor should have leaned into much more. It's much more distinct from Tennant, and doesn't have the weird sexual and violent undertones a lot of Moffat's writing gave him. I much prefer 11 as a man with a duality between childish joy and world-weariness
Maybe it's just me, but I tend to give a lot more leeway to schmaltzy happy endings in the Xmas specials, so I don't mind Reg being saved at the end
I feel like we already had our fill of schmaltzy happy endings in this episode, with the family coming together, the trees being saved, Madge becoming a hero through just being herself...
I’m not sure Jewish,Muslim and atheists do 🤣
@@HiperPivociarz it made me feel like my granny’s cooking does,SICK
@@CashelOConnolly Nah I don't mind happy ending on Christmas specials
The Doctor failing to jump into a hammock and his epilogue reunion with Amy & Rory is all I can remember of this episode. 😆😅
I think that making Reg go back to his date in London after surviving and never returning would have been so hilarious yet sad, you see these characters grieving over their husband/dad who they think is dead while hes off dating chicks in London.
I feel really bad for this episode... it was trying to mimic the last Christmas special and it suffers for it. A lot. Probably because it also wants to have its own identity, which results at 3 different stories all at once. Yeah its bad...
Also it has a banger scene at the end with the doctor saying hello to the ponds, and then saying they always do was just incredible, and that tear like *DUDE* thats why the ponds and the doctor are an excellent pairing/trio depending on how they are utilized.
Ok now time to actually watch the video
I'm sorry but I actually love this episode, love mag, the second she is flying through the timevortex crying about seeing her husband's death literally makes me cry everytime 😩
I agree, I really like it. Rewatch it now and then.
This is the only Doctor Who episode that gets me ugly crying every time
The scene "I don't want to see him die. Goodbye my love" and the confront of the kids with this reality is heartbreaking everything is so well acted and feel genuine.
A grieving mother trying to stay strong facing the ominous news of an absent father. Plus, the star that was the only safe option to follow to get home is the nail in the coffin
My favorite Christmas Special of all time
I think if you have ever lost a significant one (your spouse, your liver, your dearest friend) this episode will echoe with you on a much deeper level. I do not have children but the sheer "let them be happy cause you know they are going to be broken afterward" is genuinely human and the guilt / and the dilemma of it all we can all relate to that children or not.
I do not know if the ending is that bad for the scenario. The journey of the trio enables them to become prepared in a way to the reality of loosing someone only postponed i think it is quite positive.
You still have the sake of the cathartic release but also it reminds you that this is a Christmas special. Having such a harrowing confrontation to reality is enough apart for being heartbreaking with the death of the father
The cameo of the Williams was a bliss
Such a good ending !...then why the 'd€&%( are they coming back trhough mini episodes when we witness the destruction of their relationship ?!
Anyway thank you so much for this video
I remember hearing Bill Bailey was finally be in Doctor Who for this episode, and I was so excited...you can imagine my disappointment when he ends up as a 2 minutes of screen time throwaway cameo
this was my first christmas special from doctor who, i remember christmas that year wasnt as good for most of my family because of certain things at the time, but i distinctly remember waking up on christmas morning and being really excited for the special, (which was probably the only thing keeping me from being shut in my room all day) for me it didn't really disappoint :).
Great video as always harbo
The only thing I remember about this story is that the Mum from Outnumbered was in it
My family and I bought pirate DVDs of Doctor Who and that’s how we watched the entirety of Tennant and Matt Smith, but this episode wasn’t in them so we were incredibly surprised when we bought the original DVDs and this was included
I love this Christmas special and I love the Chronicles of Narnia, even coming up with my own sequel idea, which I wrote about in my community tab, you'll have to do some scrolling
I can’t be mad at this episode.
It’s just too wholesome. 🥰
No one forgot about this episode, what a bizarre video title
I just wanted to say two things 1. It's not winter in Australia at Christmas time, it's summer and 2. I really liked this episode
I’m not really a fan of this episode but Claire Skinner’s acting really makes it forgivable for me tbh. Her acting when she has to see her husband die makes my heart ache even tho I’ve seen it a few times
I didn't forget. Legitimately one of my favorites, nauseatingly twee though it is. Also a great place to on-board a new Who watcher, as Christmas specials usually are.
He tried to hard to shoehorn a Christmas miracle in. Making the ship into a greenhouse and growing more amazing plants in it and the family living in the big house without Reg would've been amazing.
My younger self immediately wondered if the Doctor had ever encountered the fairies from Torchwood when he mentioned Fairyland. Though, on current reflection, it was probably some kind of space Disneyland.
As an American viewer of DW, I seldom am aware of who "big name guest stars" actually are. So since I don't know who Bill Baily is, I don't see his character or his character time, as a waste. No offense meant.
Same. Usually when a character I don’t know gets some importance it’s usually a classic who person I don’t know like Sarah Jane
I like the actors being treated as actors and then finding out they’re actually famous people. Makes it less cheesy to have a guest star.
Hell I didn’t even know Kylie Minogue was Astrid because she was played so neutrally
The main problem here is that there seems to be a mentality which states "A Christmas Special MUST have a happy ending." So Reg HAD to come back. And yeah, the "Moffat doesn't really want anyone to permanently die" thing pops up also. (Little did we know...)
This was the first episode of Doctor Who that I GENUINELY didn’t enjoy. Series 5 was great, series 6 was decent but I still enjoyed (even night terrors and TWORS) but this is the first episode I genuinely just couldn’t get into and I will never forget how disappointed I was lmao. I will say I did love the ending though. LOVED it. The only good part
So is there going to be a video on the Pond Life minisodes before the season 7a reviews, or not? I wouldn't blame you for ignoring it, but it's the only thing that kind of acknowledges Amy and Rory splitting up before Asylum of the Daleks.
Not a specific video but I'm mentioning relevant parts of Pond Life in three reviews (Asylum, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and Power of Three)
I have to say, the ending of this episode always gives me the feels 🤗
5:15 That aged well when talking about the current Doctor Who climate online.
Talk about one of the most forgettable Christmas stories of the whole run, the criminal underuse of Bill Bailey and Arabella Weir, but the audacity of this story for being set on Androzani Major is unforgivable.
Why audacity?
@@colemacgrath2005 it's the twin planet of androzani minor, which is where the 5th doctor's last episode takes place. Also I thought the pilots were from androzani major but it took place on a different planet
I would never forget this special! It’s one of my favorites 🤷🏻♂️
I remember this special, and i also remember is being very strange, as well as reminding of the video for viva forever by the spice girls for some reason.
Just bc it’s Winter here doesn’t mean it’s festive. For us, Summer is our festive time of the year
The problem with this story is that the quality is literally “At least they tried”
Which is something I feel bad saying because this special had a lot going for it. Yet they dropped the ball so hard and I’m said for it
4:20 that’s why you build ring worlds.
Still better than anything Chibnall came up with, I found it easy going enough
0:14 Our seasons are perfectly mirrored to yours so it's currently autumn, not winter. America is the one with the weird starting dates for the seasons.
No I remember this one pretty well actually...who could forget Bill Baily doing his best to look like an Imperial Fist Space Marine
I remember reading the news that Arabella Weir was cast in this special I thought this episode would feature the alternate Exiled doctor
I love the beginning and end of this episode, the beginning is probably the best action scene the show has to offer, and the end is one of the only scenes in the entire show that makes me cry (The Doctor coming back to Amy and Rory). The middle is just not very good tho, which is unfortunate.
I think I'm the only person who actually finds this episode enjoyable
i actually never hated this episode, i just didnt love it
I think you are as well.
Lots of people like the episode. But liking episodes isn't a good way to make money.
I loved it
i see this vid was made before the new stellaris update
Oh I play on an old build anyway because of the Doctor Who mod. It hasn't been updated in like, 2 years so new builds would probably break it
@@HarboWholmes pretty bad update anyway tbh. new expansions pretty cool but not good enough to bother really
I legitimately don't remember this episode at all. I don't remember a single detail...
Judging by your recent videos you're at the same point of a rewatch that I am.
i didn't forget it existed, but not for lack of trying
Oh cool! The Defending the Despised we've been waiting for...lol
Not winter quite yet in Australia, 11 more days though
If i had a nickel for everytime The Doctor saved a World War soldier played by Mark Gatiss in a Christmas special i would have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice right?
this sure was an episode of the bbc science fiction show Doctor Who.
How was he in a Lancaster in 1941?
I loved the first half of the episode. The Doctor helping a woman through the loss and grief of her husband dying around Christmas. When the portal to another world is introduced the story goes downhill.
Yes! This episode should have been the last time we see Amy and Rory. Series 7 Part 1 could have been exactly the same but with a different and all-new couple
Ive still never watched this. Thank you Harbo for creating my opinion for me
Another lamb with no mind or opinion.
Normally I’d advise you to form your own opinion, but with this episode... nah.
I saw the thumbnail for this and the first thing i said was “ah fuck nah not that thing”
AzBANtium... love how Harbo's been pronouncing this word for the last few weeks :D
How could anyone forget the Bill Bailey episode????
yeah, I don't remember this ep
Bros never heard of transparent wood. Then again, most people haven’t, just like transparent aluminum.
i do really like the pagan look of the tree gods, or whatever they're supposed to be, but that's all they are -- aesthetically interesting. it would've been neat to have the idea behind them fleshed out, especially juxtaposed with something like the narnia story, which is well known for its christian themes and imagery. dunno, just food for thought.
Bro really made fun of "go woke go broke" people despite it having a track record and THEN said river song was badly written 💀💀💀 bro is onto NOTHING ‼️‼️
What was that "go woke go broke" interlude? What are you talking about, Harbo?
I know right!? I felt so attacked!
With the castings of Jodie Whittaker, Ncuti Gatwa and Yasmin Finney, plus a bunch of Chibnall era episodes being about things like environmentalism and capitalism, there are some who have accused the show of going woke, and Harbo’s saying “no you dickheads, it’s always been that way” I don’t think he’s saying it’s a bad thing, just that people were ignorant if they missed the show’s progressive message
@@MrLarry I don't really participate in fandom at all, so I wasn't aware of that segment of the viewership. I just figured the issues with the Chibnall era were more writing based, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised 😒
@@MrLarry It's just so convenient that all this woke box ticking is coinciding with the show's declining ratings amongst a majority of fans. While the so-called "progressives" accuse the fans who don't submit to their preaching, of various social improprieties.
Hopefully RTD will tone it back (a lot), but I doubt it.
Anyway, if it gets cancelled due to it's poor ratings. This big bad "Get woke, go broke crowd" can give a heartfelt "We told you so".
@@BradTheThird ok
Do you plan on doing Torchwood's 456?
Nah.. I didn't even forget about it. I just didn't know it existed
Not a terrible episode really, just lacking a strong "oomph" factor. The snow improves it, of course.
thanks for trying moffat, but better luck next time
Not watched this ep in years, but I have a recollection of wondering as to what happened to the other crewmen on the plane when it appears at the estate at the end. They're no where to be seen. And wasn't one of them already dead? Still not a good Christmas for his family and loved ones.
You know, I just realised... I don't think I have ever watched this episode in full. I know I started watching it when I was binging Doctor Who but I skipped it because that kids glasses annoyed me... Like, really irritated me. I couldn't pay attention to anything else so it got skipped.
Absolutey agree about the father's return at the end completely negating the main point of the story. While the boy actor was awful (possibly inspiring those k8d actors in Capaldi's Forest of the Night to be as awful as they possibly could) I thought the girl actor was terrific. But wasn't she actually much older than the character?
"No meat to it all" because it's a plant 😂
Next up series 7 and there’s pond life a pilot to series 7
Ood on the loo
@@jbcatz5 correct mate
I've never watched or read any Narnia movies or books. So that source for this ep doesn't mean anything to me. I love the idea of the large gift box opening up to another world and how exciting that would be. Although, I'm not certain as to why the Doctor thought such a gift would be a good idea for curious kids. The Doctor didn't seem to know the box led to Androzani Minor, so that aspect of the story always confused me.
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Actually...
Yes it was really bad!
However.
It did have a Lancaster bomber in it.
And Just Jane which is beiing restored in Lincs.
So for that reason alone I can watch the Lancaster bits.
Always nice to see Just Jane on the TV
Just to check though, when is this episode set?
I think Harbo says 1941,
If that’s the case, as you know, the Lanc. Doesn’t come into general service until 1942.
Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey I suppose
But yes I have to agree, major love for the Lancaster being featured
@@eagleclaw899 Good morning.
I enjoyed your comment and did not realise it was set in 41. I assumed around 44. It was still lovely to see the Lanc. At least it gave youngsters a view if it that might have never heard of it.
As you say, 41 was to early. Maybe he should have been flying a Manchester?
@@spitfiremark1a768 Maybe so, if so. Best of luck to him. And I understand why they used the iconic lancaster, and I'm not even sure if there's any surviving examples of Manchesters or Wellingtons
@@eagleclaw899 No Manchesters. Not many wete prodiced and I thonk production fuselages were converted to Lancasters. I think there is only one Wellington, and that is at Hendon. From memory that aircraft was used in the Dambisters film.
I didnt forget about it, becuase apparantly the ABC just simply love to adore to stream this episode live all the time. The rare occasion Doctor Who is on live and my family wants to watch it, it ALWAYS seems to be this godawful special.
Tree-people or Treople?
I have a beautiful Italian leather wallet which I’ve had since my 18th birthday and 11 years on it’s still perfect. I hope to never misplace/lose it and I love it
Wtf
@@colemacgrath2005 what?
My issue with wokeness comes from Chibnall and his clumsy writing. Back when this aired it was a tad clumsy at times, but mostly little different from previous DW history, but Chibbs really cannot be subtle or effective in most areas under his influence, which is made more obvious when he is actually able to do good writing. Oh well, he's gone now, and looking forward to the new era.
Two years later. Hows that RTD treatment holding up?
Is it just me or does Bill Bailey look like both Bernard Hill and Bruce McGill?
I remember this more The Next Doctor.
such a horrible taste
I have a lot I could say about this episode but I can pretty much sum it up with 2 words: nauseatingly twee.
Bill Bailey deserved more
Can't say I'd forgotten this one. Though I wish I had.
4:31 no we're not, we're a species operating within an economic system built on endless growth, do not essentialise the self destructive flaws of capitalism to the human species.
The return of Doctor mysterio is wayyyy worse than this, never understood why this special gets more hate than that one
This one was OK. The Doctor Mysterio episode was bollocks.
Debatable. Dr Mysterio had many amazing Dad jokes in there.
Doctor Mysterio is a superhero homage (Grant’s mask definitely looks like it was inspired by Kyle Rayner’s, which has proven a challenge to a few artists), which Doctor Who doesn’t usually do, so there’s not much to compare it to in terms of similarly premised stories. As it pointed out here, TDTWATW is heavily influenced by a famous novel right down to the episode title, and uses themes the show had recently explored at the time so there is a lot more to use as a comparison point. It even got a sequel in a comicbook miniseries called Ghost Stories.
Actually... It's always been my favourite Christmas episode.
Permanently deleted this ep from memory
Is it just me or did this video change title 3 times
Yea I don’t love this one either, but the Inception pastiche of Last Christmas is so trite, tonally confused, and rife with unforgivable Moffatisms that I think it’s the worst Christmas Special of the modern series (haven’t seen all the Chibnall specials, though… maybe one of those is worse?).
5:07 meat bad, eat ze bugs
Lmao schizo
@@ajprop99 take your meds
I don't care if the show is left. It's always been politically left, I care that the story telling was so bad.
It wasnt 'left' it was blatantly sexist.
In response to the go woke go broke thing, the political landscape at the time of this episode was not the same as the one today.
And the words meaning changed.
Does everyone Really hate this special though? I loved it. Granted, I'm a huge Narnia fan, and the ending is similar to the ending of Nanny McPhee and the Big Bang which I also love, so I could be biased here. I dunno. It's simple to understand, which is perfect for a Christmas special because a lot of individuals within a family will have to watch it regardless of whether or not they keep up to date with the rest if the show, and it doesn't take itself too seriously. Also, this isn't a power of love ending. Madge isn't able to carry the trees through the time vortex because of love, its because she is a biological mother, so she is literally able and experienced in carrying life inside her. Reg only gets saved by accident, because obviously a grieving widow is going to think of her husband when she thinks of home, and they were in the time vortex. Lovey dovey doesn't equal love saves the day.
Outnumbered mum was the best part of the story
Honestly? I love your reviews and although I agree with much of this one, I take issue with two points. First - the children - their acting, to me, was on point, especially Cyril. I raised 3 children, and believe me - that’s how they behave (though not all the time, thank goodness)! I’ve noticed that you are very open about your dislike of children, which is fine, but I think it colours your judgment whenever they are featured.
Second, the Happy Ending - this was absolutely essential for a Christmas Special centred around a family, and one that would be watched by families at Christmas. I completely got the logic of Madge and the trees’ life-force lighting Reg’s way home (similar to the wonderful scene in Apollo 13, where Commander Lovell talks about how his life was saved by iridescent algae after he lost his lights). Yes, it’s fantastical, but isn’t Doctor Who?
One of the main points of a story like this one is to impart joy, whimsy, and wonder for all those children sitting around with their families at Christmas, not to make everyone miserable by permanently killing off dad.
Doctor Who has plenty of dark episodes. For me, although it’s by no means my favourite episode, it did what I expected and deserves a better review.
jokes on you, i remember this one!
... You are literally made a defending the despised about defending this episode from the "go woke, go broke" people have...
Hell, in this video you are those people.
I wonder why Moffat always feels the need to copy classic Christmas stories for ALL of his specials? XD (Well, maybe not all but seriously, the first two at least!?)
I forgot this exists but it’s always been in the back of my head
I liked that special as I did the others, but I am biased and stan Dr Who even the new one. Now the recent Flux series was the only good Jodi Whitaker series but that is Chris Chibnall's fault not her as she can act. Chris Chibnall did the Dinosaurs in Space episode under Matt Smith Dr Who and it shows how bad at storytelling he is.
This special is meh for me. Like it's not so horrifically bad that it frustrates me but then it's not good either. it's just fine. like its cute and sweet but it's very bland. Meh is the best word to use to describe it i feel.