Really love how PetaPIxel keeps pushing towards being a channel about Photography and Videography writ large instead of just another camera review channel. Great stuff.
Love how there they are super precise with the aperture giving it at f/1.23. And then there are phone manufacturers with their tiny optics claiming their phone has a f/1.78 and not f/1.8
3:50 The size of the pixel is not chosen to be smaller than a "star image". It is chosen to be somewhat smaller than size of PSF (point spread function) of the telescope in the focal plane. Because telescope can't produce details smaller than PSF, having much smaller pixels don't help, but readout electronics gets more complicated the more pixels you have.
Congratulations, after 7 hours 9 people out of 13000 agree with you. I can see your "Well, actually..." adenoids. You should expect a call from somebody. NASA, most likely. Sorry, I'm being facetious. What i mean is: I'm satisfied with their description, yours is just word salad for me. Sometimes near enough is good enough,. Out of all the people who's lives would change with the exact understanding of this fact, I think the vast majority would also accept that the lay people don't need such an in depth discussion.
It's a survey telescope though, the pixels are way bigger than the Airy disk because it's not supposed to look at details but just to tell if there is something.
@@johntheux9238No the pixels need to be smaller than the Airy disk so they can distinguish star from galaxies. They do this by measuring the object shape.
Petapixel, some info you gave was not accurate or incomplete. As an astronomy amateur, I easily spotted them. 1. The camera was designed for the telescope, not the other way around. In fact, the whole complex was designed on the limits we can actually achieve with the tech we have, but the size of the primary mirror is the number 1 limit. 2. The lenses in front of the sensor are corrective lenses, field flattener, astigmatism corrector and chromatic aberration corrector. They don't serve other purposes than that and they are a must for such a fast telescope (f/1.3) and an unavoidable compromise. 3. it would have been nice to give us an equivalent field of view on a full frame format. 3.5-degree field of view translates to a 600mm lens of a full frame camera (horizontal field of view).
@@niccollsvideo well, that's fair up to a point. When it comes to anything fishing, my brain is a big void. I can hardly put a worm on the hook. Though, astronomy is entangled with astrophotography and optics and the same optics principles apply to camera lenses as well. All lenses need correctors. Some lens designs have the correcting feature embedded into the lens design, like the classic double gauss or the sonar lens type or Petzval type, others have correctors at the end, like telephoto lenses. There are scales of field of view of lenes, I had to check it out myself to see how much 3.5 degrees actually are on full frame lens. The most interesting feature of this telescope that is absent on any other telescope is that it is so bright (f1/3), so large (8.4 m) and it has such a large area camera. This translates to very fast image acquisition and very sharp because of the short exposure times required that will lower the atmospheric turbulence influence on the image, not to mention the low image noise.
@@unlucky5442 In that case, the design of the filter exchange system was rather tricky. As the camera hangs in the center of the telescope's secondary mirror, its outer diameter had to be minimized to maximize the collected light from the sky. No filter wheel was allowed to sit besides the aperture. Filter exchange system must fit inside camera's body, but it was impossible to store on the carousel the 6 filters needed for observing in the different bands of wavelength. The less frequently used filter (UV band) will have to be inserted by an auto-changer , replacing one of those inside while maintening the cleanliness
I wish I could use a similar carousel for my RASA. Having to use a filter drawer with a mono camera is a pain, and my OSC camera just doesn't get the same detail as a mono.
Wow! Loved this vid! Amazing to see the channel covering more of the field outside of conventional cameras. I for one would love more engineering focused photography videos! Show us lens manufacturing, sensor science, and more. Great work all. Also I loved the lasagna tin bit.
I see they photographed a broccoli with. It makes me DESPERATELY want to see a portrait on this thing. I hope they took some selfies or made an artwork.
Thank you for covering this amazing project and for highlighting all of the teamwork that goes into an effort of this nature. It is wonderful to see international cooperation at a very high-level between very bright, highly dedicated human beings!
I just wanted to say I really enjoy and appreciate the format of this video, especially the witty commentary and in-depth information, so you've well earned a subscription and I hope you keep it up!
@@PetaPixel Honestly, that’s one of the best short, general-audience science-explainer vids I’ve ever seen. (And I waste an inordinate amount of time watching YT vids 😁)
Okay, funny story. I was at Stanford when they built SLAC. Stanford physics professor Wolfgang Panofsky was in charge of the project. He was known jokingly as the dumb brother because he'd gotten a B in phys ed at Princeton. At any rate, the mother of a Stanford co-ed noticed that the accelerator was pointed straight at the women's gym. Sound the alarm! - our daughters will be sterilized! So the good professor got someone to take a bulldozer out to the end of the accelerator and make a big pile of dirt. Which of course became known as Mount Panofsky.
Thank you guys for this video! Just a bit of additional info: the sensors operate at a very low temperature to decrease the noise of the captured images.
This is really cool, and I'm glad you guys covered it. It's really amazing to see what the absolute top end of camera engineering is these days. I was going to buy one of these, but I was holding off until your review.
Thank you for posting. I have to say, with the clean room gear, you have never looked better. ;) Oh yeah, almost forgot. Great video with great information.
What a great video! Absolutely loved this! On a sort of (un)related note, my improv comedy group used to practice at SLAC - yeah, i know, weird. Our troupe was the PIMPs, aka Peninsula Improvisers.
Love this! So much more fun than lens reviews. / What’s the sensor readout speed? Does it have dual card slots? When will Lightroom have raw support for it? Does it have any good picture profiles for Instagram? /S
I've been following the build of this telescope from the beginning. I was interested in the relative pixel density of the LSST sensor, so thank you for that. Also, thanks for covering this, I had no expectation that you guys would get into stuff like this, so this was special. Incidentally, one factoid that was omitted is that the Vera Rubin Telescope will basically be capable of taking a high-res image of the night sky every four nights (at least that is what I understood while this was being built, it could be better than that now). The differences between each image at the same spots will be used to track moving objects like asteroids, which was mentioned, but also Kuiper Belt Objects, potentially like the true 9th planet. This was awesome, keep at it guys.
Not for general use cameras. CCD is just king in scientific image acquisition. It needs cryogenic cooling to lower the noise, it consumes tens of times more energy than CMOS and the image quality in not much greater than that of a CMOS after cooling it at -100 Celsius. Though, it is much more sensitive in infrared where it is needed to be, it has a perfect linear image, a must for precise light measurements and it is better when i comes to lower noise, long exposure times.
Hey Chris and Jordan!! Love your content. And I have been a big fan since your dpreview days and I really appreciate the effort and thought you put into your content. Just a small request, is there anyway you can review the XF 27 2.8 version 2, its a lens which came out a couple of years back. And I dont think you reviewed the lens, and I think the XT5 with this pancake lens could be a great compact setup. Also it would keep me away from the X100VI fanfare and craze.
If I would by that camera.... I would need a truck first and a huge storage as well. Can't imagine the file size of that beast.... Thanks for the video!
At least you are getting closer with 3.2 Gigapixels, but it's not even close to a real petapixel, you'll still need to scale up by a million just to get into the ball park.
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Can you use it for street photography?
Sure... It'll be a street from the next town, possibly next country over though! 🤣
Catching old people crossing the street in front of the sunset from three towns over.
I'm waiting for the monochrome version
@@scarcesense6449 Leica user spotted :D
Weddings.
Now THAT is full frame haha
ahahahsha
fuller frame camera on the way to chile i see
They'll probably end up calling it "average format" or something like that
Nope, that is THE frame... 😅
But sony has great autofocus.
Really love how PetaPIxel keeps pushing towards being a channel about Photography and Videography writ large instead of just another camera review channel. Great stuff.
Ditto!
Yes exactly this ☺️
I concur.
Also really digging the podcast!
another ditto !
If my math is right, that's 0.0000032 PetaPixels!
I see you are a man of culture.
That's how I want this channel to talk about every camera now. 50 Megapixels? No, 0.00000005 Petapixels.
They didn't even say how many Plenas the lens weighs
3.2 x 10⁻⁶ gang 💪😤
@@Durio_zibethinus 😂❤😂❤
Finally, a camera that can take a picture of your mom 😭
I’m childish for laughing
lmao
from ISS
And it’s still cheaper than a 10 year old Leica
9 лет назад Хаббл выкатывал снимок в 4.3 гига пикселя . Галактика Андромеда. Ищи в ютубе.
@@homuchoghoma6789 1.5 billion pixels. is the original image. you need alot of screens to display the full picture though. 😁👍
@@madb132Im pretty sure you only need an average monitor to pixel peeping
@@madb132 nah just print in A4 dude
Complaints:
“You’re stuck with only one lens.”
“It’s still on backorder. Ugh.”
“No strap lugs.”
it's a bit on the heavy side
“Only 5 filters?!?!”
Where's the thecamerastore link to this camera? And what bag do you recommend for it?
I'll get it at KEH, used.
Free shipping?
When they decommission that Subaru camera, you can probably have that. Local pick up only though.
Not full frame. Literally unusuable.
Does it even bokeh? 😂
It's gotta be at least medium format
🤣
Do a dolly zoom!!
🤣
Love how there they are super precise with the aperture giving it at f/1.23.
And then there are phone manufacturers with their tiny optics claiming their phone has a f/1.78 and not f/1.8
Can you play Subway surfers on your camera
@@greecevstheworldI can
@@anerpos2055 🧢
"We're gonna talk about science next, hopefully my hair is okay."
Priorities.
His hair was indeed okay.
Rule #1 for science:
Make sure your hair is ok!
3:50 The size of the pixel is not chosen to be smaller than a "star image". It is chosen to be somewhat smaller than size of PSF (point spread function) of the telescope in the focal plane. Because telescope can't produce details smaller than PSF, having much smaller pixels don't help, but readout electronics gets more complicated the more pixels you have.
Congratulations, after 7 hours 9 people out of 13000 agree with you. I can see your "Well, actually..." adenoids. You should expect a call from somebody. NASA, most likely.
Sorry, I'm being facetious. What i mean is: I'm satisfied with their description, yours is just word salad for me. Sometimes near enough is good enough,. Out of all the people who's lives would change with the exact understanding of this fact, I think the vast majority would also accept that the lay people don't need such an in depth discussion.
It's a survey telescope though, the pixels are way bigger than the Airy disk because it's not supposed to look at details but just to tell if there is something.
@@johntheux9238No the pixels need to be smaller than the Airy disk so they can distinguish star from galaxies. They do this by measuring the object shape.
@@claudiascarpine6695 It's a f/1.2 telescope so the Airy disk is 1 micrometer while the pixels are 10 micrometers
Biggest sensor camera ever made filmed on.... M43! Love it!
Petapixel, some info you gave was not accurate or incomplete. As an astronomy amateur, I easily spotted them.
1. The camera was designed for the telescope, not the other way around. In fact, the whole complex was designed on the limits we can actually achieve with the tech we have, but the size of the primary mirror is the number 1 limit.
2. The lenses in front of the sensor are corrective lenses, field flattener, astigmatism corrector and chromatic aberration corrector. They don't serve other purposes than that and they are a must for such a fast telescope (f/1.3) and an unavoidable compromise.
3. it would have been nice to give us an equivalent field of view on a full frame format. 3.5-degree field of view translates to a 600mm lens of a full frame camera (horizontal field of view).
Ask me something about fly fishing .
@@niccollsvideo well, that's fair up to a point. When it comes to anything fishing, my brain is a big void. I can hardly put a worm on the hook.
Though, astronomy is entangled with astrophotography and optics and the same optics principles apply to camera lenses as well.
All lenses need correctors. Some lens designs have the correcting feature embedded into the lens design, like the classic double gauss or the sonar lens type or Petzval type, others have correctors at the end, like telephoto lenses.
There are scales of field of view of lenes, I had to check it out myself to see how much 3.5 degrees actually are on full frame lens.
The most interesting feature of this telescope that is absent on any other telescope is that it is so bright (f1/3), so large (8.4 m) and it has such a large area camera. This translates to very fast image acquisition and very sharp because of the short exposure times required that will lower the atmospheric turbulence influence on the image, not to mention the low image noise.
@@ilaion11 9 лет назад Хаббл выкатывал снимок в 4.3 гига пикселя . Галактика Андромеда. Ищи в ютубе.
I greatly appreciate the Noct measurement comparison, it truly puts it into perspective!
Perfect for my street photography!
Chris has become one of the best presenters I know of. Truly great!
Ive watched him for a long time, hes always been a joy to watch.
No IBIS, I'll pass
😂😂😂
Ikr, how are we supposed to blog with this?
Especially when you know about. The existence of micro tremmers. Including the many other causes. Of ground viberations.
4:17 would be really cool if they sold those as souvenirs, it would be a sick thing to have at home as a conversation starter
I think the photo filter carousel is my favorite part. Would love to have that on a real camera
Amateur astrophotographers use something really similar called an EFW, electronic filter wheel.
@@unlucky5442 In that case, the design of the filter exchange system was rather tricky. As the camera hangs in the center of the telescope's secondary mirror, its outer diameter had to be minimized to maximize the collected light from the sky. No filter wheel was allowed to sit besides the aperture. Filter exchange system must fit inside camera's body, but it was impossible to store on the carousel the 6 filters needed for observing in the different bands of wavelength. The less frequently used filter (UV band) will have to be inserted by an auto-changer , replacing one of those inside while maintening the cleanliness
I wish I could use a similar carousel for my RASA. Having to use a filter drawer with a mono camera is a pain, and my OSC camera just doesn't get the same detail as a mono.
This is a really fantastic video! I love the blend of news, camera talk and interest in modern advancements in imaging! Really love it.
This is Chris and Jordan on their best. Informative, interesting , entertaining and funny too. Very well done boys!
Content about science and photography, I love it! Keep it going!
Wow! Loved this vid!
Amazing to see the channel covering more of the field outside of conventional cameras.
I for one would love more engineering focused photography videos! Show us lens manufacturing, sensor science, and more.
Great work all. Also I loved the lasagna tin bit.
Fantastic episode! I’d love to see more videos like this on the channel. Great work.
One of the best videos. Combination of photography and astronomy is a dream
Of course, many fascinating facts and other things. But, “I hope my hair is ok,” stood out of all. 😂
Beer coasters. 😂 watch out Veritassium you’ve got a new competitor. Let’s go
Guys expand your breadth !
I see they photographed a broccoli with. It makes me DESPERATELY want to see a portrait on this thing. I hope they took some selfies or made an artwork.
How does the LSST's autofocus compare to the latest Sony bodies?
It's the only camera on the market today that has an asteroid tracking mode. It's space-detect mode will focus on the nearest galaxy.
I guess it is rather slow. Also very bad minimal focusing distance.
It has no manual focus, either.
I heard the auto-stabilize is really good 😄
I have never seen Jaron so focused with that lasagna lightning.
Jordans shout out in the background at 7:51 about farenheit cracked me up 😂
Best ever!
2:57 u try to blow the hair off the screen 😂
Thank you for being the best camera review channel. Im glad to see yall making different content from the rest.
That is Crazy! Thanks for taking the time to make this video!
Thank you for covering this amazing project and for highlighting all of the teamwork that goes into an effort of this nature. It is wonderful to see international cooperation at a very high-level between very bright, highly dedicated human beings!
That is really cool! Thanks for covering this 😊
Great video. Thanks for covering this important instrument and the Vera Rubin Observatory.
I just wanted to say I really enjoy and appreciate the format of this video, especially the witty commentary and in-depth information, so you've well earned a subscription and I hope you keep it up!
This is the best petapixel video yet!
Wow. Can't wait to see the Vera Rubin pictures! Great video, man.
this is clearly the future of webcams
I'm not even into cameras but this is VERY interesting and the presentation was TRULY GREAT and very funny! Subscribed
The LSST is such a cool instrument for astronomy, I'm glad it's getting featured!
perfect for my daily street snapshots.
i wish they repurpose those "faulty" CCD sensors into cameras.
Cool! I look forward to Chris & Jordan to post their field review of this camera.
Great video, Let's see what Jordan has to say... "The rolling shutter on this is going to be pretty bad"
He said its a $1.7 million jello cam. 🙂
GREAT work guys! Congrats and thanks!
Thanks Dave!
@@PetaPixel Honestly, that’s one of the best short, general-audience science-explainer vids I’ve ever seen. (And I waste an inordinate amount of time watching YT vids 😁)
This video is absolutely fantastic, keep up the good work
Looking forward to the compact version of this camera
Okay, funny story. I was at Stanford when they built SLAC. Stanford physics professor Wolfgang Panofsky was in charge of the project. He was known jokingly as the dumb brother because he'd gotten a B in phys ed at Princeton. At any rate, the mother of a Stanford co-ed noticed that the accelerator was pointed straight at the women's gym. Sound the alarm! - our daughters will be sterilized! So the good professor got someone to take a bulldozer out to the end of the accelerator and make a big pile of dirt. Which of course became known as Mount Panofsky.
Thank you guys for this video!
Just a bit of additional info: the sensors operate at a very low temperature to decrease the noise of the captured images.
Dude excellent video! how am I just now finding your channel?
2:55 damn I just blow on my phone screen thibking it was a real hair lmao 😂
This is really cool, and I'm glad you guys covered it. It's really amazing to see what the absolute top end of camera engineering is these days. I was going to buy one of these, but I was holding off until your review.
Great video guys!
Dope new GFX lens :D
Christopher Nolan right now: “how can I make this handheld?🤔”
It would be great to see you in Chile when the camera is being installed, or transported to the site.
Jaren looks like a frozen shaolin training his patience
Excellent documentary - thanks.
Great video!
Thank you for posting. I have to say, with the clean room gear, you have never looked better. ;) Oh yeah, almost forgot. Great video with great information.
I cant help but imagine how stressfull the truck driver carrying the camera sensors must be
Love this type of content!!!!!!!
Very nice. Thanks for the insights
What a great video! Absolutely loved this! On a sort of (un)related note, my improv comedy group used to practice at SLAC - yeah, i know, weird. Our troupe was the PIMPs, aka Peninsula Improvisers.
Wondering how good the sun-star capability is.... can you test that out?
Love this! So much more fun than lens reviews.
/
What’s the sensor readout speed?
Does it have dual card slots?
When will Lightroom have raw support for it?
Does it have any good picture profiles for Instagram?
/S
Ahhh. the important questions
Lighter than a Pentax 67, Love it!
INCREDIBLE!! loving the humour in the vid and the comments too! Only wish @AlynWallace was here to see this!
7:32 "I hope my hair is ok"
>proceeds to have perfect hair
Such good content and i love the occasional jokes. I subed
I tried to blow on my phone when i noticed the hair... 😑
You idiot!!!
Actually just joking, I did the same.
So you’re not an idiot.
Or maybe we’re both idiots😂
I literally tried to move it away
I thought I had a cracked screen 😊
Had that happen to me long ago
I need to take this to my next concert for the sickest shots ever!
Bro took every atom in his body to hold back that laughter at 1:32
I've been following the build of this telescope from the beginning. I was interested in the relative pixel density of the LSST sensor, so thank you for that. Also, thanks for covering this, I had no expectation that you guys would get into stuff like this, so this was special. Incidentally, one factoid that was omitted is that the Vera Rubin Telescope will basically be capable of taking a high-res image of the night sky every four nights (at least that is what I understood while this was being built, it could be better than that now). The differences between each image at the same spots will be used to track moving objects like asteroids, which was mentioned, but also Kuiper Belt Objects, potentially like the true 9th planet. This was awesome, keep at it guys.
Damn! Considering how heavy this is, I hope it comes with a custom neck strap. :P
Thanks for covering the transport, very cool
Did I heard CCDs? I knew CCD is the king!
Not for general use cameras. CCD is just king in scientific image acquisition. It needs cryogenic cooling to lower the noise, it consumes tens of times more energy than CMOS and the image quality in not much greater than that of a CMOS after cooling it at -100 Celsius. Though, it is much more sensitive in infrared where it is needed to be, it has a perfect linear image, a must for precise light measurements and it is better when i comes to lower noise, long exposure times.
Fantastic! I will gladly watch more of these
Your hair is amazing, don't worry Chris! ♥
How long does it take to load the captured files into Lightroom?
Hey Chris and Jordan!! Love your content. And I have been a big fan since your dpreview days and I really appreciate the effort and thought you put into your content. Just a small request, is there anyway you can review the XF 27 2.8 version 2, its a lens which came out a couple of years back. And I dont think you reviewed the lens, and I think the XT5 with this pancake lens could be a great compact setup. Also it would keep me away from the X100VI fanfare and craze.
Samsung: I'm ganna pretend I didn't see this video.
Love topics like this! Thanks!
I have one of these on order. Now I need a new gimbal for it. But, I'm going to mostly use it for selfies.
When will we get to see photos of this camera in action?! Can’t wait to see it!
2:54, me trying to blow the hair off my phone before y'all say anything 🤣😂
Good review. Do you have a discount code? 🙂
If I would by that camera.... I would need a truck first and a huge storage as well. Can't imagine the file size of that beast.... Thanks for the video!
Finally a camera I can do wildlife photography with, through a 10mm fisheye lens. No need for a tele, because I have the MP to crop everything.
At least you are getting closer with 3.2 Gigapixels, but it's not even close to a real petapixel, you'll still need to scale up by a million just to get into the ball park.
So cool! Thank you for the wonderful video
Wonderful video 😎
Are you kicking yourself that this just missed out in the black and white roundup tests?
Hey guys, you need to call the Camerastore to make sure they don't forget to buy extra Zeiss lens wipes😮
Now that is a landscape photography beast right here
Thinking about upgrading from my Z9😮💨
How's the bokeh?
when she asks you to send a pic, so you grab this camera