The death message at 34:13 is pretty fucking harsh: Vegeta is dead. As he did not perform beneficial gestures in his life, he is immediately sent to hell // End of the Game // NB: Nothing prevents you from using the crystal balls and revive it. You could start a game again.
1:00 - Bulsajoteog Choehuui Jeonsa (Duck) 3:20 - Act of Fighter (doesn't work) 6:17 - Adventures of Zis 11:37 - Battle Europe 16:36 - Battle of the Martial Arts 22:17 - Chinese Professional Baseball League (doesn't work) 28:52 - Dragon Ball Z 2: The Death of Vegeta 35:00 - Father World 40:25 - Fox Ranger 46:16 - Fox Ranger II: Second Mission 59:22 - Krusty's Super Fun House 1:06:24 - Lars: The Wanderer 1:10:43 - Last Hero in China 1:13:21 - Little Monk 1:16:22 - Little Witch 1:28:22 - My Love: Chaos Daejak-jeon 1:23:54 - Pee & Gity Special 1:26:19 - Prince of Evil 1:28:58 - Super 64 Classic 1:30:39 - Rage of Tiger 2: Blood, Money and Tears 1:33:25 - Shakii the Wolf (doesn't work) 1:35:57 - Shaolin Campus Kings (doesn't work) 1:38:02 - Super Cop 1:40:26 - Super Tetris 1:43:03 - Eol's Adventure 1:46:38 - The Adventure of Tipi 1:48:07 - Dragon Force - The Day 3 1:49:15 - Journey to the West 1:51:57 - 龍之傳奇 - "Legend of the Dragon" 1:54:49 - Van Slug: X Mission
Whoever's sending these things to him really needs to include instructions, if only to prove that they know the games can actually be installed and played.
1:19:50 It's English lyrics because it's bog standard early 90s house/rave music. In fact, the sample is straight up pulled from this 1991 house track: ruclips.net/video/jb1Pd6yJPTg/видео.html Oldschool house producers would lift voice, drum and instrument samples from all sorts of music, and often would even lift original samples from other house songs. The Streets of Rage games used the same sort of music (except 100 times better of course, because we're talking about Yuzo Koshiro and Motohiro Kawashima), once people figured out it went well in beatemups and fighting games it was the go to genre for them. Streets of Rage 1 actually has a short sample from Norman Cook's (AKA Fatboy Slim) Skip to my Loops sample CD in its boss theme.
For good DOS platformers: Commander Keen, Jazz Jackrabbit, Zool 2, lots more. Most DOS platformers had trash controls because it's deceptively hard to code platformer controls from nothing, but there were a number of good ones, too.
It also wasn't until Commander Keen (which started out as a SMB3 port for DOS) that programmers figured out fluid scrolling that didn't destroy your memory.
35:51 "Father" subtitles: "Come on, and FEED ME BORSCHT! Pretty unclean, I am Jennifer Winnifer! Bring it on. I ate spicy jumbo hamburger! MMHMMHMMHMMHMMHAHAHAHAHAAA!"
To get Shaolin Camp Kings to run you LITERALLY have to press Esc on the *MASCOT* logo to finally play the game. Edit: That "Action Fighter" game was actually named Act of Fighter Here's gameplay for those curious: ruclips.net/video/vSuVVbw71Co/видео.html
Not gonna lie, the music in some of those Korean DOS games is fucking dope, especially Lars: The Wanderer (which most likely had it's music done by SoundTeMP of Ragnarok fame.) I was also enjoying the music My Love: Chaos Daejak-jeon, which sounds an awful lot like something you'd hear in some Amiga demoscene productions.
John Thems DOS in particular? The two websites i get the majority of my Korean and Chinese MS-DOS games are here: www.old-games.ru And here: nemo838.tistory.com
Is Father World based on actual anime, or is it just that single Korean DOS game? Even if it is a real anime, I want to believe that the protagonist getting hit by a car as soon as the set out on their journey to stop the Dark Lord is the real ending.
8:45 Oohhh..ohhh..that hurt. The giana sisters was a mediocore dos platformer at best. There's certainly no 'mario' on DOS, but commander keen, jazz, dangerous dave 2, secret agent, jetpack, jill of the jungle, turrican, prince of persia etc have had all good merits to them. He's missing out a freakish amount of amazing games that were on DOS.
amazing? Meh. These games are good, but the'yre too limited by the limitations of the system, especially in terms of scrolling, to really be "amazing". I agree though, saying there's no good platformer on DOS is an exageration too.
ArmoredChocobo yeah. I only really know it as this old fable but I know what it is. I even kind of remember something about a river monster??? Pig definitely had a rake, though. Or were you talking about the game?
The music playing in that Dragon Ball game was one of the demo songs that came bundled with the old Sound Blaster Pro sound cards circa early 90s known as "starfm". You can hear them all here: ruclips.net/video/P4uZLIacmNc/видео.html
21:10 A big, fat, juicy couch. Also, that hand attack looks suspiciously similar to Rasputin from World Heroes but I think it's just a coincidence. Rasputin is apparently the leader of a pansexual love cult that believes, if I'm understanding this correctly, that in order to resist the temptation to have sex one must have sex. So maybe he has a couch like that, too.
9:28 I thought it was. I was goddamn tired. "Get out of the way I am trying to play, the fuck". was the comment I ignored. The comment I head was the one before that about the character stripping. I didn't acknowledge the latter comment because of that,
Vinny, if you want an A M A Z I N G dos platformer (and shooter) then check out Abuse. It's abandonware now. The character controls with WASD and you aim with the mouse...in a sidescroller. FPS controls in a sidescroller, how does that grab you?
Y'all complain about the song that starts like the 1981 Donkey Kong arcade theme, but that doesn't even sound like that to me. What I'm wondering about, is why Zis started to whistle the Thomas the Tank Engine song about here: 10:49
OK, now I'm super confused. I knew I recognized the name Eol from somewhere, and "eol's adventure" is in my Google search history from last November, but I have no idea what prompted me to search for it.
A shame he didn't get further playing Fox Ranger. I used to love playing that as a kid, had on of those "here's 500 DOS games" CD's, and it was one of my favorites.
I was going crazy because I know I knew that Krusty game from somewhere. Apparently I played it on Game Gear so very long ago. Wow I've forgotten about that...Takes me back.
This was an interesting batch, my highlights were the asymmetrical but shitty Battle City clone (Battle Europe), and of course Adventures of Zis. Out of the shumps the duck one seemed like the better game, though Fox Ranger was a close second by being an okay horizontal shump (If not certainly plain and barebones, golly that first boss) Speaking of Fox Ranger. The sequel was a flophouse of ideas, from being like Star Fox to just regular vertical shoot 'em up fare and who knows what else. Also, i wonder if the "Screaming for vengeance" above the title is a reference to the Judas Priest album, in my mind. It is, but that's a canon. A headcanon! (Nothing beats Tyrian tho) Lars The Wanderer seemed cool, like Leander/Legend of Galahad with RPG elements. Van Slug: X Mission could be alright with better performance, seems like a decent action platformer. I can tell you this though, it's *MILES* better than any of the official Mega Man games for DOS (For god's sake, the second one has edited robot masters in the stage select, look it up. It's a good laugh)
Those Family Pro games look really cute. Shame he fricked up Shakii the Wolf on the intro cutscene though. I'm interested in finding out what genre it is! JRPG? Beatmup? Platformer? Topdown adventure?
@@ilikecurry2345It's a platformer. Pretty basic story, the guy's girlfriend/fiancee gets kidnapped by an evil wizard so he goes on an adventure to save her, while doing so he discovers he's the heir to some kingdom or something
I got curious about the Chinese baseball game, so I googled the league. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Professional_Baseball_League The league is actually based in Taiwan (officially called Republic of China or Chinese Taipei, depending on who you ask), and is still operating today (though all of the teams shown are either defunct or have rebranded.)
1:52:53 I'm sure someone who's actually cultured and educated in different cultures and religions has already pointed out that the symbol on the statue's hat is a bhudist symbol meaning something like unity and peace, and that the big bad evil german of ww2 actually stole the symbol, literally twisted it to the side, and then twisted its meaning. Its a symbol of good when written correctly and in conjunction with the original culture, its just too bad that people are so uneducated that they only know the twisted and corrupted version.
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The death message at 34:13 is pretty fucking harsh:
Vegeta is dead. As he did not perform beneficial gestures in his life, he is immediately sent to hell // End of the Game // NB: Nothing prevents you from using the crystal balls and revive it. You could start a game again.
whoever wrote that was in a really bad mood
a shame vinny isn't able to comprehend that laguage to properly feel bad...
@Corey Jamie shut up why would you want to hack an instagram account
@Dorian Kashton you're also a bot guys dont fall for this
FUN FACT: The game was made in Recreational Software Designs' Game-Maker.
At least the Dragon Balls can save Vegeta.
1:00 - Bulsajoteog Choehuui Jeonsa (Duck)
3:20 - Act of Fighter (doesn't work)
6:17 - Adventures of Zis
11:37 - Battle Europe
16:36 - Battle of the Martial Arts
22:17 - Chinese Professional Baseball League (doesn't work)
28:52 - Dragon Ball Z 2: The Death of Vegeta
35:00 - Father World
40:25 - Fox Ranger
46:16 - Fox Ranger II: Second Mission
59:22 - Krusty's Super Fun House
1:06:24 - Lars: The Wanderer
1:10:43 - Last Hero in China
1:13:21 - Little Monk
1:16:22 - Little Witch
1:28:22 - My Love: Chaos Daejak-jeon
1:23:54 - Pee & Gity Special
1:26:19 - Prince of Evil
1:28:58 - Super 64 Classic
1:30:39 - Rage of Tiger 2: Blood, Money and Tears
1:33:25 - Shakii the Wolf (doesn't work)
1:35:57 - Shaolin Campus Kings (doesn't work)
1:38:02 - Super Cop
1:40:26 - Super Tetris
1:43:03 - Eol's Adventure
1:46:38 - The Adventure of Tipi
1:48:07 - Dragon Force - The Day 3
1:49:15 - Journey to the West
1:51:57 - 龍之傳奇 - "Legend of the Dragon"
1:54:49 - Van Slug: X Mission
u do not no de way
Hi Vinesauce: The Full Sauce!
Got to love that anti-piracy solving that you did on the Adventures of Zis game!
Vinesauce: The Full Sauce The Vegeta game broke me
It was most likely cracked to allow every combination to be right.
53:29 The sound of the ship firing makes me think this game was made with a different sound card in mind, theres no way that was intentional.
Whoever's sending these things to him really needs to include instructions, if only to prove that they know the games can actually be installed and played.
Yeah but there might also be regional system requirements. 🤔
30:19
Enjoy.
I need that sound effect. Lol.
loud funny :)
I'd love to learn more about the players in the pro-baseball game as well as the alt-universe Twitch where all the emotes are them.
1:19:50
It's English lyrics because it's bog standard early 90s house/rave music. In fact, the sample is straight up pulled from this 1991 house track: ruclips.net/video/jb1Pd6yJPTg/видео.html
Oldschool house producers would lift voice, drum and instrument samples from all sorts of music, and often would even lift original samples from other house songs.
The Streets of Rage games used the same sort of music (except 100 times better of course, because we're talking about Yuzo Koshiro and Motohiro Kawashima), once people figured out it went well in beatemups and fighting games it was the go to genre for them. Streets of Rage 1 actually has a short sample from Norman Cook's (AKA Fatboy Slim) Skip to my Loops sample CD in its boss theme.
Yeah, and the game over screens for Streets of Rage didn't bring to mind images of awful vore art. Unlike that weird chibi bootleg.
I like how those collection streams have turned from 'Shitty' to 'Crappy' to 'Quality' .
Every single one of those faces in that baseball game could be a fantastic Twitch emote.
For real!
39:01 best binyacht laugh
T H A T
M I D I
51:30
Getting high and watching the faces in the China Baseball game go by is my new happy place
I cried during the face scrolling part
THAT ONE RIGHT THERE IS AMAZING
VEGETA EST MORT
*Végeeta êsté morte*
Il l'a mal prononcé, ça m'ennuie.
11:36
If Yoko Ono was a drummer
51:53 I love vinny's reaction
SICK MIDI, AIR PLANES, WATER, GLORY SHOTS, ACTION
it got everything you need in 1 game!
it's the 90's summarized
For good DOS platformers: Commander Keen, Jazz Jackrabbit, Zool 2, lots more. Most DOS platformers had trash controls because it's deceptively hard to code platformer controls from nothing, but there were a number of good ones, too.
Yushatak
Also Duke Nukem?
Biomenace, Alien Carnage, Cosmos Cosmic Adventure, Monster Bash, Jill Of The Jungle
It also wasn't until Commander Keen (which started out as a SMB3 port for DOS) that programmers figured out fluid scrolling that didn't destroy your memory.
turrican 2! that one has great music too, especially with a gravis ultrasound.
He's played Zool 2
He didn't have a great time.
ruclips.net/video/1rkTuBeYfYY/видео.htmlm18s
35:51 "Father" subtitles: "Come on, and FEED ME BORSCHT! Pretty unclean, I am Jennifer Winnifer! Bring it on. I ate spicy jumbo hamburger! MMHMMHMMHMMHMMHAHAHAHAHAAA!"
"Ducks killing bees. It's like Vinesauce." - Vinny, 2018
Should have looked both ways, Vinny. Cyber Korea has no traffic control.
That baseball game music was top, dude.
Everything is a super mario asset to vinny
To get Shaolin Camp Kings to run you LITERALLY have to press Esc on the *MASCOT* logo to finally play the game.
Edit: That "Action Fighter" game was actually named Act of Fighter
Here's gameplay for those curious: ruclips.net/video/vSuVVbw71Co/видео.html
Not gonna lie, the music in some of those Korean DOS games is fucking dope, especially Lars: The Wanderer (which most likely had it's music done by SoundTeMP of Ragnarok fame.) I was also enjoying the music My Love: Chaos Daejak-jeon, which sounds an awful lot like something you'd hear in some Amiga demoscene productions.
Dancehouse?
That fox ranger game no joke has some fantastic music.
1:32:20 when you discover spray tool in ms paint
1:20:40
*W H A A A A A A T !?*
the main reason why i here though i wish someone could know the name of this game
@@theorangetoad5669 I'll just call it "The Global League".
I stand corrected - It's called My Love Chaos.
I need to know where this guy got his bootleg Korean DOS games.
John Thems If you guys want to try out the games seen on this stream here's the pack: drive.google.com/file/d/1CdbtXRy9u2WganSm4res7VWgD03Am0Yu/view
Thank ye
Nice. But what are your sources? Because I'm trying to find some obscure games I've played in my childhood.
John Thems DOS in particular? The two websites i get the majority of my Korean and Chinese MS-DOS games are here: www.old-games.ru
And here: nemo838.tistory.com
DSwizzy Taylor wow this is going to be a nostalgia trip. Thanks for finding these gems
30:19 Could you speak up?
Is Father World based on actual anime, or is it just that single Korean DOS game? Even if it is a real anime, I want to believe that the protagonist getting hit by a car as soon as the set out on their journey to stop the Dark Lord is the real ending.
The almost-but-not-quite Donkey Kong music was actually starting to give me a little anxiety by the end of the game. Just finish the song God damnit!
Did you ever hear a modern pop song rip off an older song and you had to re-listen to the older song just to set your brain right? 😂
8:45 Oohhh..ohhh..that hurt. The giana sisters was a mediocore dos platformer at best. There's certainly no 'mario' on DOS, but commander keen, jazz, dangerous dave 2, secret agent, jetpack, jill of the jungle, turrican, prince of persia etc have had all good merits to them. He's missing out a freakish amount of amazing games that were on DOS.
amazing? Meh. These games are good, but the'yre too limited by the limitations of the system, especially in terms of scrolling, to really be "amazing". I agree though, saying there's no good platformer on DOS is an exageration too.
24:02 Potential Twitch Emotes
Vinny's lack of understanding what Journey to the West even is is both adorable and frustrating.
ArmoredChocobo yeah. I only really know it as this old fable but I know what it is. I even kind of remember something about a river monster??? Pig definitely had a rake, though.
Or were you talking about the game?
Thank you for everything you do Vine team!
Fun Fact: Fox Ranger and its sequel was made by South Korean developers back in the 90's.
And my god i literally can understand what's is going on.
The music playing in that Dragon Ball game was one of the demo songs that came bundled with the old Sound Blaster Pro sound cards circa early 90s known as "starfm". You can hear them all here: ruclips.net/video/P4uZLIacmNc/видео.html
21:10 A big, fat, juicy couch.
Also, that hand attack looks suspiciously similar to Rasputin from World Heroes but I think it's just a coincidence. Rasputin is apparently the leader of a pansexual love cult that believes, if I'm understanding this correctly, that in order to resist the temptation to have sex one must have sex. So maybe he has a couch like that, too.
Fox Ranger coming at ya with the deepest of lore.
30:18
37:45 - Full disclosure Vinny: Nobody gets Japanese cartoons. Japanese people don't get Japanese cartoons.
Weird stuff is cool though. It's something you can't get anywhere else. It's entertaining in a mindbending sort of way.
1:19:48
That girl has some cute animation, especially when in idle/walk animation with the rhythm of the music!
Exactly two hours
Lemanite I know! It's perfect to pass the time while I wait for my Amazon package to arrive.
I'll admit, some of these games have pretty good music.
"Did toreama draw this game" no because he has actual skill
Toriyama has a very unique art style.
Vinny playing Princess Maker games when?
tenchimuyo69 omg yes
24:36 holy shit its vinemeat
Which one of those baseball boys is Vinemeat?
it will be DOSSED
Holy shit, the music for Fox Ranger II is extremely sick.
The Commander Keen series was an excelent DOS platforming game!
Who knew a Chinese coloring book program could be so hard to figure out?
Copy protection or no, you'd need the instruction manual.
*quality*
31:51 HOOAH HOOAH
every one of these dos streams has at least 1 game i played as a kid
this time it was fox ranger
still not sure exactly which face he was referring to
Guessing it was the one to the left of the green cap one.
Sees Korean- "I cant read Japanese!"
Your Krusty voice was spot on
Here's an idea for a future collection of games to stream:
Game Maker games.
BBHood217 he's done it fam
Oh God. What if he makes another Game Maker installment and comes across Dontrel?
Jesus! That DBZ game gave me a heart attack!
A heart bigbang attack.
Wait. Did Vappy edit something because of something wrong? Thank you Vappy!
where?
9:28 I thought it was. I was goddamn tired. "Get out of the way I am trying to play, the fuck". was the comment I ignored. The comment I head was the one before that about the character stripping. I didn't acknowledge the latter comment because of that,
He didn't specifically there. But he does when needed! Case in point one of Vinny's SMW streams
Vinny, if you want an A M A Z I N G dos platformer (and shooter) then check out Abuse. It's abandonware now. The character controls with WASD and you aim with the mouse...in a sidescroller. FPS controls in a sidescroller, how does that grab you?
18:43
Gai Bang
Hoo-boy
Edit: Glad Vin saw that
You should see Pee and Gity. Mostly Pee.
Y'all complain about the song that starts like the 1981 Donkey Kong arcade theme, but that doesn't even sound like that to me.
What I'm wondering about, is why Zis started to whistle the Thomas the Tank Engine song about here:
10:49
this video is exactly 2 hours long.
Lord Mega Nah, if you download and assess, it's actually 32 milliseconds past 2 hours.
Hey Vinny if you want a good gateway anime, you might want to try Devilman Crybaby, it's a very easy to digest family friendly show about friendship
I especially loved all the Christian themes. Very christian-accesible.
OK, now I'm super confused. I knew I recognized the name Eol from somewhere, and "eol's adventure" is in my Google search history from last November, but I have no idea what prompted me to search for it.
You should try out some old Mac games.
Used to play Fox Ranger all the time back in the 90s. I go back to it every once in a while to relive the memories. No clue there was a sequel.
that vegeta one is the best one.
I love that the fake starwars theme is the most replayed part of the video.
i want to see more gameplay of My Love: Chaos Daejak-jeon
Also, that China Pro Baseball music sounds alarmingly like that one Vocaloid/Utauloid/Liz Robinette song Upside Down.
“Victorious yet oppressive” so it sounds like communism
most of the bad animated intros were made by 1993-1994, in other words, by the same time, that SONIC CD WAS ALREADY A THING, AND HAD A BETTER INTRO
28:52 Immavegeta favorite game
A shame he didn't get further playing Fox Ranger. I used to love playing that as a kid, had on of those "here's 500 DOS games" CD's, and it was one of my favorites.
Anime bootleg night
*Chinese cartoons
@@MegaSmugLeaf **Korean
I was going crazy because I know I knew that Krusty game from somewhere. Apparently I played it on Game Gear so very long ago. Wow I've forgotten about that...Takes me back.
Whadya know, Virgin Entertainment put that Krusty game on both Game Gear AND MS-DOS!
The music in Little Witch was kick-ass. Anyone know where I can get it?
Except when it goes "UWEE UWEE UWEE UWEE UWEE UWEE".
What would a slightly annoying healing problem even be
Is it just me or is the Father World game a reskin of the original Prince of Persia game?
DoitForTheLolz1 nah it's a completely different game
I mean gameplay wise. same poses and running animations. that sort of thing.
DoitForTheLolz1 oh okay my apologies
49:06 Big Brother is Watching
This was an interesting batch, my highlights were the asymmetrical but shitty Battle City clone
(Battle Europe), and of course Adventures of Zis. Out of the shumps the duck one seemed
like the better game, though Fox Ranger was a close second by being an okay horizontal shump
(If not certainly plain and barebones, golly that first boss) Speaking of Fox Ranger.
The sequel was a flophouse of ideas, from being like Star Fox to just regular vertical shoot 'em up fare
and who knows what else. Also, i wonder if the "Screaming for vengeance" above the title is a reference
to the Judas Priest album, in my mind. It is, but that's a canon. A headcanon! (Nothing beats Tyrian tho)
Lars The Wanderer seemed cool, like Leander/Legend of Galahad with RPG elements.
Van Slug: X Mission could be alright with better performance, seems like a decent action platformer.
I can tell you this though, it's *MILES* better than any of the official Mega Man games for DOS
(For god's sake, the second one has edited robot masters in the stage select, look it up. It's a good laugh)
24:08 why is Trump in this game?
So many Chinese and Korean games but none Japanese
You have that Roly Poly game from the guy who made LSD: Dream Emulator.
That game with the yellow bird looked fun.
I might draw him later >W>
Eol's Adventure really is fun! I'd also like to see it, if you have done it :>
Those Family Pro games look really cute. Shame he fricked up Shakii the Wolf on the intro cutscene though. I'm interested in finding out what genre it is! JRPG? Beatmup? Platformer? Topdown adventure?
@@ilikecurry2345It's a platformer. Pretty basic story, the guy's girlfriend/fiancee gets kidnapped by an evil wizard so he goes on an adventure to save her, while doing so he discovers he's the heir to some kingdom or something
10:48 WHAT IS THAT??
Thomas the Tank Engine, I assume.
There's a surprising amount of products from China, Taiwan, and South Korea.
Who love's Eol?
17:30 Did anyone else think of Five Finger Death Punch when seeing this?
Father World is the bizarro version of Mother Planet
Father world is pretty much flashback or out of this world if it took place in Korea
I got curious about the Chinese baseball game, so I googled the league.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Professional_Baseball_League
The league is actually based in Taiwan (officially called Republic of China or Chinese Taipei, depending on who you ask), and is still operating today (though all of the teams shown are either defunct or have rebranded.)
Most of those games I want to see an entire playtrough....
koala tea
1:52:53 I'm sure someone who's actually cultured and educated in different cultures and religions has already pointed out that the symbol on the statue's hat is a bhudist symbol meaning something like unity and peace, and that the big bad evil german of ww2 actually stole the symbol, literally twisted it to the side, and then twisted its meaning. Its a symbol of good when written correctly and in conjunction with the original culture, its just too bad that people are so uneducated that they only know the twisted and corrupted version.
unfortunately for this offense to a culture, I will have to leave a dislike.
At this rate, this series needs to be renamed ‘Asian DOS Atrocities’
Except non-Asian games sometimes bleed through, like that Krusty Funhouse game brought to us by Virgin Entertainment.
This video was made by campas king
BIKKU BAYN ATTAAAAAAA
Giana sisters was C64, not DOS