Aerial Refueling Accidents Examined
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
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This is how aerial refueling can go wrong! #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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I hate it when that happens while refueling my jet fighter
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Ikr it’s so annoying having to reposition 😕
The refuelling squadron will send your squadron commander that drogue if you tear it, signed by the entire flight crew. Then you will have a ceremony on your squadron where you, as guest of honour, get your panty presented to you, along with the bar bill for the night. Then it goes and is hung up in the squadron ready room, joining the rest of them. The OC also had his fair selection of them there as well, along with a few pieces of the aircraft he landed, after losing the rear half to a SAM.
Yeah I hate when that happens when refueling my mig 21 interceptor
So relatable
fr what I really like about this channel and is extremely underrated, is that for each information you give, whether it's in metric or american system, it has it's equivalent, that way you don't have to constantly think about what is what
fr but they sometimes switch between the two (probably just because of the notes they got from researching) so if it was standardized into just metric or imperial that'd be nice
they got 2 mil subs bro stop using underrated incorrectly
@@neuropathical They're saying the use of both measurement systems is underrated, not the channel itself.
@@natec1 Underappreciated would have fit better tbh
Thats honestly why the US keeps using the old USC system.
As long as theres something to compare to, Americans just use whichever system is good for the job. Base 12 for woodworking, base 10 for technical stuff
Q: how large is your team? I know you always do the voices, but you get alot of information in a pretty fast time.
Currently 2 people (including myself) work on the content creation.
@@NotWhatYouThink damn, amazing work for only 2!
@@NotWhatYouThink do you get the ideas from suggestions?
@@NotWhatYouThink Respect the grind 🫡
@@NotWhatYouThink Damn...
I work with Tsgt’s Smith’s daughter. She always speaks highly of him and often recounts what a great and selfless man he was. He was the embodiment of the PJ’s motto: “these things we do, that others may live”
Hey NWYT, I have an idea. What if you put a note in one corner of the video clips which are accurate, like original footage from the incident for example, and which clips are reconstructed or which are just for visual when theres no original footage available.
This might help when watching your videos and shorts, which are great by the way, quite informative, with actual footage and an seemingly well researched backgroundstory, which sadly is not the standard with other channels.
We'll consider your suggestion. Thank you.
Great suggestion - hope they can make it happen. Nothing obtrusive, just a subtle but consistent marker to look for when you think “that’s crazy! I don’t believe they have actual footage of that”
great space content channel Astrum does this
@@NotWhatYouThink, and... stop with the stupid commentary. It's insulting and unnecessary.
@@rustythrombosis5417 nah keep up the stupid commentary, that's what makes this channel unique
Actually at 1:15 the autopilot kicked off, yes because of bow way phenomenon, causing the tanker to climb, because of the out of trim condition. The tail lowers abruptly causing what you see from that time stamp. Very scary for all involved,-exKc-135 pilot
Hello 👋 David 🥴
While I will say that the ch53 was in a good situation to attempt an autorotation, high altitude and forward speed, those big helicopters autorotate like a safe. They expect to lose the tail and roll on their side in a best case scenario. But it's not like aerial refueling is their only hope, they try not to run that low on fuel.
I worked on Pavelows in the 90's. They could land em like a feather during autorotation. It's all about energy preservation. Size is just scale, the rules dont change
This channel has slowly become one of my favourites. Nice research and competent narration. Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
"That's what she said, the pilot"
Man slick with it.
I really appreciate you including normal people measuring units on the bottom right corner
No matter how much I understand the metric system, my brain isn't wired for the comprehension during a story telling.
Always get excited when there's a new NWYT video!
Also the electric igniters on jet engines are _terrifyingly_ powerful.
That moment when the blackbird uses a V8 as a starting motor
aerial refueling is saying " i don't need food, i can play outside 400 KM away from my home and super far away from any place to eat food at" then suddenly craving food a few minutes later
only for the food to be super unhealthy.
My understanding of inflight refueling is that missions are designed with safe diverts available if refueling fails. Assuming a non-catastrophic collision, of course.
Hey 👋 Ed 🤔
Very true. We always had an alternate destination in mind if there was a problem.
When those tanker pilots received those DFCs I thought, “Dang, I wonder what it was life in the cockpit.”
01:00 Before I heard about the bow wave, I thought the E-3 had just hit the tanker's wing vortices... Another lesson learned! Thanks for that! 👍
The bigger the receiver, the bigger the bow wave. The tanker is always on autopilot, but the receiver has to stay in position. In an emergency, the tanker always goes up while the receiver heads down.
Hey, really like your videos and appreciate that you also show the distance and so on in meters.
Keep up the good videos:)
These dry jokes are the reason I breathe
The way you put humor into this stuff is amazing
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@NotWhatYouThink Stay true buddy
Amazing video! The "perfect storm" portion w/ the 100ft waves almost made me piss my pants! We grieve for the lost airman. May the memories of him be a comfort & a blessing.
R.I.P to Sargeant Arden Rick Smith
finally i found a comment givjng respect to the dude
The amount of sus jokes in this video is astounding….
I have no problems with it
I love how everyone panicked from refueling except that one lady she casually stopped the pump and pulled out like no biggie
Unlike the other idiot who pulled the still running nozzle out
Air to air refuelling, its been described by some RAF pilots as 'attempting to thread wet spaghetti up a cats arse'
Vulcan Pilots discontinued mid air refuelling purely because it was too dangerous. But then the Falklands War kicked off and all these skills had to be hurriedly re-learned and the Vulcans had their refuelling systems re-installed. All within about 2 weeks. No pressure!
After an anti-radar mission over the Falklands, a Vulcan bomber loose it’s probe during a refueling and had to land at Rio de Janeiro International Airport, startling the people when two F-5 jets broke the sound barrier to intercept the intruder.
@@albertoalves8251 Indeed they did. They didnt actually fire their shrike missiles on the mission. But when they had to divert to Rio, they had to get rid of them because the US didnt want to be seen as helping the UK. However only 1 of the 2 Shrikes were jettisoned successfully, the other malfunctioned. So it was rather embarrassing for the UK government seeing an RAF Vulcan at Rios Airport with an American Shrike Missile under the wing. Whoops!
@@justandy333 Hey Randy 🤔
Best use I've seen yet for cauliflower.
I love this content. Thank you for making it.
Fantastic video. Informative and entertaining. Best yet I think
Aerial refuelling which Tom Clancy describes as "intercourse" between two airplanes at 35,000 feet
I looove the picture presenting the video. If I'm not wrong it's a Rafale (french fighter jet), my favorite plane! Great to see planes from other nationality than the US on this channel, they are great but it's cool to change ( particularly for french airplanes ;) )
Yeah, judging from the large canards and unique refueling probe it definitely is. The later especially makes it pretty easy to differenciate from the Typhoon in front view
That said, i'm pretty disapointed to not have the clip its from in the video lol, partly clicked because of it
Incidentally, helicopter autorotation isn't automatic. It requires special control settings, and you have only a couple of seconds to set them after an engine failure.
And it has to be initiated at exactly the right altitude to take advantage of the stored inertia of the rotors or it will lose the energy required to “soften” the landing.
@@larrymcgill5508 you do realize that your statement contradicts mine ? (i.e. i think your statement is incorrect)
That crash between the KC130J and the F35B were both USMC aircraft, not USAF.
In the four years I've been in my squadron, two of our jets have only caught two baskets when refueling midair. That basket was clean yanked out both times. One from some AF refueler and another from our wing's tanker squadron. For the tanker squadron, I guess the AD's didn't check those lines well and caused that mishap.
As a boom operator on a Kc-135, that E3 video is pantshitting levels of scary.
"I'm thirsty, please give me a sip".
"that stallion way never boink again, but you can!" got me
5:00 fantastic editing.
That had to be the greatest transition into a mobile game ad, and I was so happy when it wasn't that one that we all know and hate
I hate to admit it but once i accidentally left my car running while refueling shockingly nothing happened except for the crippling disappointment in myself
I've left my car running while refueling many times with no I'll consequences. That said, I'm not going to tempt fate any more than I already have.
Some people do that here during the winter. I think the risk is low especially in freezing temperatures when the gasoline has hard time forming fumes. Just my non-informed opinion.
While on the Nimitz off Iran during the Iranian hostage boondoggle, I was flying in Lockeed S-3 Vikings. Because we had a much higher carrier landing weight performance, we were utilized to download excess fuel off the duty tanker in order to conserve the fuel that would otherwise have to be dumped. On one evolution, we exceeded the capture speed and caused a sine wave (like the one shown). We had a solid capture but the sine wave came down the hose and it ripped the “basket” from the hose with the basket still connected to our refueling probe, which bent the probe pipe straight up. The KA-7 tanker had to make an immediate trap after the fuel finished draining from the “buddy pack”. We then trapped with the evidence clearly wrapped around our refueling probe.
On another incident (same deployment) the bow wave of the S-3 caused the basket to deflect above the aircraft and then came down on the system operator’s canopy (directly behind the pilot’s canopy) crashing through it. That basket may look small, but it is about 2 - 3 feet long and is made out of metal slats with steel cables to absorb the stress put on them by air refueling exercises. Fortunately, they landed safely and the operator’s only injury was to his flight suit.
Long hours of tedium, punctuated by moments of stark terror.
That KC-130J incident involved an F-35B of the Marines
The tanker was also USMC.
Love the content bro
Man that was a nice the first out to show is, the f-111 aardvark always did like see that jet fly.
I hate getting disturbed by Kingdom Maker ad while refueling my helicopter in mid-air
good job with the commercial intro
God bless these brave people and the families of those who lost their lives.
Your longer videos is the bomb
Every Friday baby!
Just amazing How Pilots are brave just to try do it midair.. congratulations boys and girls
Thanks for converting to metric, i really appreciated
The last one, the helicopter was piloted by an air national guards woman who had been to Afghanistan as a dust off pilot. She wrote a book called Shoot Like A Girl. It has that experience in it and she is insane
For some missions you just need to be insane.
Flying into a hurricane and probably risking more life's than ever could have gotten saved...she and her crew really meant business
Rest In Peace to PJ Arden Rick Smith
Gotta love the KC-130
Excellent and interesting video.
Awesome!
Nicely done
that boink clip etc was funny af,and you have 3,god help them haha
I'm happy the pilots were still able to say "Flee land!".
that ww1 plane collision was the funniest cartoon like thing ive seen this week
This channel:
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30% memes
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It should be remember that the TAMAROA put itself in extreme danger to make those rescues. She got laid over on her beam ends more than once during both the transit and the rescue. Every man who went topside to effect the rescue was a volunteer. There was no shortage of volunteers that night.
A slight nitpick, in the 2020 incident it was 2 marine aircraft, the kc-130 from vmgr-352 and the f-35b from vmfa-121.
At least it wasn’t the Playboys this time.
I appreciate the feet and F° translation
So sad regarding the PJ’s and crew on the HH-60G. “That Others May Live.”
The men and helicopter from the doomed rescue mission were from the 106th Aerospace Rescue and Rescovery Squadron (A.R.R.S.), based out of Gabreski Airfield, here on Long Island, NYS. The call sign "Jolly 110" is a reference to the early days of this rescue unit, when they flew the HH-3C, known as the Jolly Green Giant.
The HH-60G Pavehawk is a fine aircraft, but it is not suited to rescue missions in such severe weather. Even the aircraft I use to work on (MH-53H Pavelow III), while much larger, and thus, much more stable in flight, would have had a hard time in such extreme conditions.
GOD rest Pararescueman, Technical Sergeant Smith
All videos are informative, but in the ending of this, may the guy rest in peace.
Damn it’s incredible how talented some of these pilots are.
Lots and lots of practice.
That was actually EXACTLY what i thought happened to the fueless chopper in a hurricane. But ill let you have this one... lol
damn I love this channel
I've never thought about this now I'm high asl watching this
Edited: this gotta b one of the zestiest yet informative vids yet🤣🤣🤣
use of cellular phones during refueling can ignite fuel vapors with an electrical discharge. This is commonly due to static electricity and not because of a faulty device, as most phones, especially phone cases, can produce a lot during handling.
Autorotate a 40K lbs. Helicopter? Had a crew chief in Corps explain autorotation after the pilot left the room. Gunny: "Look straight down." Marine: "Why Gunny?" Gunny: "Because that's the scene of the crash, and we're gonna be the first ones there."
Dude, your graphic at the 1:07 mark...lol That's a picture of an F-16 aircraft, which can aerial refuel, but does NOT have a probe that sticks out from the nose. It has a door that opens up behind the cockpit, centered on the fuselage.
I had the opportunity to watch that air to air refuelling, and it is very stressful on the pilots, even in smooth clear weather. Would hate to think of doing it at night, in a storm, as even in the smooth air the new pilots took a few attempts to connect, and the one finally did so, but was not watching his relative velocity, so drifted to in front of the tanker.
Corrected with full speed brakes, and in the tanker we all had a jolt as that pipe disconnected. The valves are not meant to close so abruptly, so the aircraft was gently banking away, nicely shiny and with a instant full wash in jet fuel, to go get into the correct envelope to do an in flight restart, because that sudden blast of fuel had flamed his engine out nicely. 10 minutes later he came back up, connected correctly, got his positioning right, and got his remaining fuel pumped in in just under a minute. You only need a minute or so to fill up, those pumps move the 2000 US gallons needed to fill you at a pretty high pressure.
I'm in the squadron that had the KC-130 crash in Thermal. They cut off the tail of the aircraft and it's on display in the parking lot.
Watching this as someone who actually tests the refuelling pods 😄
Watching this as someone who actually does maintenance on ARS pods.
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Hilarious commentary!
1:14 I’m not saying conclusively that that didn’t happen, but the horizon stayed consistent for the whole time until the E3 dived down. If the bottom of the refueller was pushed up by the bow wave of the E3 then you would expect the refueller to nose down which would mean we would see more sky. But instead the horizon stayed the same which just makes me think this was human error with pilot induced oscillation.
Great observation. Everything I have read up on this incident, was the inexperience of the receiver aircraft. The receiver aircraft has to make small corrections, not massive ones like here. Retired KC-135R crew chief.
Never mess with the HOSE!
Got to love the dad jokes 🤣
I'm annoyed no one mentioned the mazel tov circumcision joke in the beginning
You've been messing with us lately NWYT
This channel is all about messing with you. We just sometimes choose not to do it 😉
This ended on such a sad note RIP
Also, two questions:
1 Did they make the decision to ditch the heli later when they still had 20min of fuel left, or did they physically ditch the heli even though it had 20min worth of fuel? If the latter, how come?
2 What is/are the correct actions to take in the case that a fire starts when refuelling your car? Keep the nozzle in? Fire exstinguisher? Or just run for your life?
Keep the nozzle in. Alert attendant (emergency stop, call 911). Use fire extinguisher.
An helicopter has a very high center of gravity . When ditching, she would roll in seconds . It's safer to stay low with low speed to evacuate the crew from the cargo doors, and after that, ditching at a safe distance . The pilot and the copilot can leave as they are trained for . They had just been unlucky to be hitten by a huge wave before evacuating all the crew .
With 20m fuel and so far from the coast, they didn't had any other option . That's a risky job .
They chose to ditch before they ran out of gas because with the engine still running they had control over the situation. If they waited for it to run out and just crash it would have been far worse...
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 True. I'm just wondering why they didn't spend, say, 10-15min of the flight time they still have to get closer to wherever their incoming search and rescue would be.
The pilot of that heli wrote a book called Shoot Like A Girl. It is a really good book. She has the experience written down in it and was the pilot of that helicopter
“When aerial refuelling goes wrong”
It can be way worse than it is.
Cool!!
Major Buscemi is looking pretty stoic @6:48
What is the plane on the cover of the video?
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Thank you for using the Metric system
Port and starboard are boat references. When does a plane sail into port?
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Wasn’t the marine corps the ones flying the 130&35 when they collided. The A refuels via a boom.
Yeah, I believe the Marines fly the F-35B with the VTOL capabilities, but because the rest of NATO refuels with probe and drogue and the A is the export version of the 35 there are F-35As with the probe and drogue system. The USAF versions are the ones that still use the boom.
Pilots require a lot of skill and patience to get this stuff right.
Thank you Mr Beezlebub3985 for your incredible insight
An experienced pilot makes it look easy.
The last part was sad 😞
NWYT what do you think about bread?
Vehicle for butter.
@@NotWhatYouThink Okay
@@skidhvh check the video about the 11 carriers. He literally said that xD
Everthing you see on social media is not what you think.
I live near a airforce base with refueling planes so I see them a lot
Gasoline cars need their engines shut off during refuling. Gasoline street cars are required to have evaporative emissions system. If gas is pumped with the engine running, the evap system will sense a huge system leak, then turn on the Malfunction Indicator Light. Diesels can be left running, no evaporative emissions system.
It was a long rd to get us to where we are w/ aerial refueling. It is a very dangerous thing to do.
This and landing jets on ships. All dangerous stunts.
Can this ac dump fuel?
Should the chopper pilot returned to the base after 25 tries? I’m sure it haunts them both.
Always annoys me... "You must turn off your car while refueling" - It's a friggin DIESEL! It's fuel won't catch fire at room temperature! :(