Great review! Black Aces just had a 35% off sale on all their kits. I ended up getting the whole system with the in tank conversion so I don't need to run a return line.
Not really dual feed. It doesn't require a return line. I have since switched to an electric pump for my lift/prime pump. I drove it around last weekend runs fine. The mechanical pump was enough too it just didn't last long.
Thanks for the video, it was really quite interesting because of the fact this is the brand I'm looking at for a 383 ci sbc. I think I'm sold on the Wild Card tunnel ram setup because it seems to be more of modern up to date, much like the Chevy crate motor RamJet 350. Looks cool and seems logically like it would be more efficient than the TBI style. What are your thoughts on the Wild Card setup which will support up to 850 hp? Thanks again for all you do
Which exact kit did you get? I bought the FiTech Easy Street 600 HP EFI System Fuel Injection Master Kits 36105 from Summit but have not taken it out of the box yet.
The screen fell out of my handheld quite a while back. From the heat. They have revised that since. It's sat outside many hot days since and have not had an issue with the revised handheld. I only drive it once a week about 5-10 miles. I have driven it on a 20 mile round trip to work several times that's the longest trip its had. I originally needed a bigger carb because mine was just a 650. The fuel gauge still doesn't work and I wanted to fix that before going on a gas mileage trip. But yes I think it's worth the $800 I paid. I still expect it to get less than 12mpg so I dont drive it far with how much gas costs now. I have not really done any fuel tuning aside from writing the Afr map and the ignition map. For just getting in and driving it's done real well. I still have a Super T10 to put in the truck and more exhaust to quiet it down. I still have a lot of smalls to fix on the truck as well.
It's easier to see this way and the throttle body has the same pressure on both sides. Like a fuel pressure gauge on a fuel rail. The gauge would read the same at either end of that fuel rail.
After watching your video i vought this item for my 1970 Oldsmobile cutlass supreme that has a 350 rocket. I am being told i need to get an ignition kit to run it but dont see one in your video. My question is was tgere anything else needed to unstall?
No you do not need an ignition kit. Assuming you are calling additonal ignition components a "kit". It is explained in the included instructions the setup with your existing ignition componenets.
Would it be worth hooking the vacuum reference up on the fuel pressure reg? When Action Vulture pulled down an Aces Killshot, it showed that the injectors discharge through annular rings under the throttle plates, so technically the injectors are subject to engine vacuum. Thanks for the video.
Great job showcasing the ACES EFI. RE: The return on the Holley Sniper; you do NOT need to run a return fuel line If you use the intank retrofit fuel pumps from Holley e.g. PN 12-233. All you need to do is put a block off on the return port on the Sniper Unit (you DO need the return line If you use their inline pump). It does NOT become a deadhead because the retro-fit intank pumps have the return built into the pump. Holley is very unclear with this in their literature. If you do run a return from the Sniper to the tank it actually pressurizes the fuel tank! The reason for a lot of the poor Sniper reviews is the install is over a lot of guys heads, the wiring must be flawless and you MUST tune on a laptop, the handheld is useless for real tuning.
@@twin2turbo87 The most Expensive Sniper In tank pump is $489! 12-333 for a K-5 is only $289! (Camaros, Montes, etc. same price) That's far less than the Edelbrock system.
The part number for a C10 retrofit kit is 12-308. I thought we were talking about parts that actually fit my truck here. There may be cheaper pumps for other vehicles. I don't have a Blazer or Monte. The cheapest I see is $420 (from Holley for a C10) Plus fuel line, filter and whatever else you'd have to replace. Which would be right back at the cost of an edelbrock. I'm not sure if you could make a K5 or Monte pump fit in a C10 tank.
Once installed and established, do you have to leave the monitor attached or can you store it in the glove box? Meaning, are you constantly messing with it or once you're tuned, do you really use the monitor any longer?
If the computer and electronic hardware are reliable it’s about to change the game in soo many ways!!!! Those other big brand names are about to get faded out😊
Well you cant run a carb lean in one area like you can with fuel injection. Its nice to punch in the desired AFR at any engine speed and have it be that way. I doubt I will gain that much. I won't tune this on a dyno. If I gain anything powerwise it will be from going from 670 to 800cfm plus that tune. But the episode of Hagerty I was referring to was over 3.5mpg, 30hp and 40lb-ft gains with a 396 in a Chevelle not a 454. also with a dyno. The carb was also not dyno tuned. Thanks for watching.
Nice job bro. I like that you're incorporating the modern fuel injection with your old school projects. Very similar to the projects I build. Check them out if you're interested...thanks again for a very informative video...Oliver
@@twin2turbo87 I did and realized after I asked the question you’re running a returnless system. The instruction guide says to run a bypass reg to ensure a 3psi return rate. Yet if the system is free flow back to the tank why is 3psi actually needed?
@Charazzar I saw that too. Before that is mentioned it says, the return line must not present a pressure restriction to the return fuel flow. Then it states shouldn't be more than 3psi. I think they are just saying if it's more than 3psi, your return line is too small or the return hole in the tank. Which could raise your pre regulator pressure. The bypass regulator is going to be your only regulator. It will just be on the return side of your throttle body.
Yes you can. hoping to do a video on this this week. Pulling the intake manifold for another so will be a good time for at least an ignition setup video. Thanks for watching.
Have you had to talk with Aces tech support or other contact? I am trying to figure out where this stuff is made. I am guessing China. Looks like the co-founder, Jason Oberhelman, was R&D at FiTech and then did a stint at Speedmaster. My experience with Speedmaster's Chinese junk has been horrible. I can't quite tell for sure but I think Aces is registered to a Chinese firm (or at least owner). I suppose it doesn't really matter as long as the product is good but I'm pretty certain that it is not from Tennessee or anywhere in the USA.
I did call with a question about the default VE table in the software. Not really an issue though. Yes I'm sure it's made in China like all the rest. If they are made in the states like Megasquirt the ECU components will still be from China.
Have taken for a road test Your numbers on the handheld look great should perform really well keep us posted
Good to see some killshot installs making it out here.
Thanks for watching! I watched your videos before purchase.
That looks great! Ima look into a 2bbl system for my F250
Great review! Black Aces just had a 35% off sale on all their kits. I ended up getting the whole system with the in tank conversion so I don't need to run a return line.
Thanks for watching!
Fuel tanks for 87 R10 are still available cheap, and mean you don't need all the extra fuel sump and hoses. Maybe next time.
I mentioned that in the video. I dont know what an 87 tank has to do with it when you can buy a pump for an 83 tank. Thanks for watching!
Can you do a video on how you did the wiring and how your running a hei distributor
I'm running the aces distributor now but I can still post a how to. I'll try and get it up before the end of the night
@@twin2turbo87 ok thanks brother
No dual feed required? Does your manual fuel pump keep up with the electric fuel pump? Thx.
Not really dual feed. It doesn't require a return line. I have since switched to an electric pump for my lift/prime pump. I drove it around last weekend runs fine. The mechanical pump was enough too it just didn't last long.
The results are in the next video
Thanks for the video, it was really quite interesting because of the fact this is the brand I'm looking at for a 383 ci sbc. I think I'm sold on the Wild Card tunnel ram setup because it seems to be more of modern up to date, much like the Chevy crate motor RamJet 350. Looks cool and seems logically like it would be more efficient than the TBI style. What are your thoughts on the Wild Card setup which will support up to 850 hp? Thanks again for all you do
Thanks for watching!
i don"t know anything about the wildcard setup. It looks like a lot for the money though.
My idea of affordable fuel injection is a well tuned carb.
Damn I woulda bought that edelbrock set up in a hot second saves so much work.
I'm Considering this system for my build.
Are you still happy with this setup? Any problems?
Which exact kit did you get? I bought the FiTech Easy Street 600 HP EFI System Fuel Injection Master Kits 36105 from Summit but have not taken it out of the box yet.
It's an Aces Killshot PN# AS2012P. Thanks for watching.
FYI the labels slid down the wire..
After a year now, was it worth replacing the carburetor with the Aces EFI? Did it improve your gas mileage, and have you had any problems with it?
The screen fell out of my handheld quite a while back. From the heat. They have revised that since. It's sat outside many hot days since and have not had an issue with the revised handheld. I only drive it once a week about 5-10 miles. I have driven it on a 20 mile round trip to work several times that's the longest trip its had. I originally needed a bigger carb because mine was just a 650. The fuel gauge still doesn't work and I wanted to fix that before going on a gas mileage trip. But yes I think it's worth the $800 I paid. I still expect it to get less than 12mpg so I dont drive it far with how much gas costs now. I have not really done any fuel tuning aside from writing the Afr map and the ignition map. For just getting in and driving it's done real well. I still have a Super T10 to put in the truck and more exhaust to quiet it down. I still have a lot of smalls to fix on the truck as well.
Thanks for your review
Your welcome. thanks for watching!
Why isn’t the fuel pressure gauge on the fuel line ?
It's easier to see this way and the throttle body has the same pressure on both sides. Like a fuel pressure gauge on a fuel rail. The gauge would read the same at either end of that fuel rail.
After watching your video i vought this item for my 1970 Oldsmobile cutlass supreme that has a 350 rocket. I am being told i need to get an ignition kit to run it but dont see one in your video. My question is was tgere anything else needed to unstall?
No you do not need an ignition kit. Assuming you are calling additonal ignition components a "kit". It is explained in the included instructions the setup with your existing ignition componenets.
Is that r/c vw bug a losi???…….i had a losi jr-T back in the 90’s, that thing was fast!!
The one in the intro is a Traxxas Slash. The one on the table in the video is a Duratrax Baja Bug.
Would it be worth hooking the vacuum reference up on the fuel pressure reg?
When Action Vulture pulled down an Aces Killshot, it showed that the injectors discharge through annular rings under the throttle plates, so technically the injectors are subject to engine vacuum.
Thanks for the video.
I will explain why I chose one or the other in the next video. Hopefully get it up in the next couple days.
I run them both ways. Wait till I put that cheap turbo on the camper lol. We fixing to party.
Great job showcasing the ACES EFI. RE: The return on the Holley Sniper; you do NOT need to run a return fuel line If you use the intank retrofit fuel pumps from Holley e.g. PN 12-233. All you need to do is put a block off on the return port on the Sniper Unit (you DO need the return line If you use their inline pump). It does NOT become a deadhead because the retro-fit intank pumps have the return built into the pump. Holley is very unclear with this in their literature. If you do run a return from the Sniper to the tank it actually pressurizes the fuel tank! The reason for a lot of the poor Sniper reviews is the install is over a lot of guys heads, the wiring must be flawless and you MUST tune on a laptop, the handheld is useless for real tuning.
You mean 12-133? That's 800$ plus the extra cost of the sniper. Which would make it almost twice the cost of this setup without an adjustable FPR.
@@twin2turbo87 The most Expensive Sniper In tank pump is $489! 12-333 for a K-5 is only $289! (Camaros, Montes, etc. same price) That's far less than the Edelbrock system.
The part number for a C10 retrofit kit is 12-308. I thought we were talking about parts that actually fit my truck here. There may be cheaper pumps for other vehicles. I don't have a Blazer or Monte. The cheapest I see is $420 (from Holley for a C10) Plus fuel line, filter and whatever else you'd have to replace. Which would be right back at the cost of an edelbrock. I'm not sure if you could make a K5 or Monte pump fit in a C10 tank.
is it willing to share the tach signal and the tps with anything else?
There is a tach output. I guess you could splice into the tps wire if needed.
Thanks for the info
Btw. Great video thanks for your time
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the comments.
Any updates i seen a guy throw his whole system in the trash
Started ok this morning.
I also have an update video.
Does it always beep when you start it up?
Yes
Once installed and established, do you have to leave the monitor attached or can you store it in the glove box? Meaning, are you constantly messing with it or once you're tuned, do you really use the monitor any longer?
No it's only for reference. Unplug it if you want.
If the computer and electronic hardware are reliable it’s about to change the game in soo many ways!!!! Those other big brand names are about to get faded out😊
If you gain 4mpg and 60 pounds of torque going to efi, your carburetor wasnt tuned correctly.
Well you cant run a carb lean in one area like you can with fuel injection. Its nice to punch in the desired AFR at any engine speed and have it be that way. I doubt I will gain that much. I won't tune this on a dyno. If I gain anything powerwise it will be from going from 670 to 800cfm plus that tune. But the episode of Hagerty I was referring to was over 3.5mpg, 30hp and 40lb-ft gains with a 396 in a Chevelle not a 454. also with a dyno. The carb was also not dyno tuned. Thanks for watching.
Of the wrong carb
Did you hook up the 02? I missed that part
It is shown in the next video. I tried to address everything I missed in this one in the next video.
Nice job bro. I like that you're incorporating the modern fuel injection with your old school projects. Very similar to the projects I build. Check them out if you're interested...thanks again for a very informative video...Oliver
Thanks Oliver I'll check them out. Thanks for watching!
How’s your vehicle running after your install. Enjoyed watching your video👍
I will post a video tonight. Thanks for watching!
Did you run a regulator for the return line?
@Charazzar there is no return line this is a returnless system. Did you watch the whole video?
@@twin2turbo87 I did and realized after I asked the question you’re running a returnless system. The instruction guide says to run a bypass reg to ensure a 3psi return rate. Yet if the system is free flow back to the tank why is 3psi actually needed?
@Charazzar I saw that too. Before that is mentioned it says, the return line must not present a pressure restriction to the return fuel flow. Then it states shouldn't be more than 3psi. I think they are just saying if it's more than 3psi, your return line is too small or the return hole in the tank. Which could raise your pre regulator pressure. The bypass regulator is going to be your only regulator. It will just be on the return side of your throttle body.
Can you laptop tune this
Yes you can. hoping to do a video on this this week. Pulling the intake manifold for another so will be a good time for at least an ignition setup video. Thanks for watching.
@@twin2turbo87I am happy to see you here doing a thing. So many people are just negative about stuff.
Kinda looks looked like a rebranded holley
Who has this system on sale?
Acesefi.com
Have you had to talk with Aces tech support or other contact? I am trying to figure out where this stuff is made. I am guessing China. Looks like the co-founder, Jason Oberhelman, was R&D at FiTech and then did a stint at Speedmaster. My experience with Speedmaster's Chinese junk has been horrible. I can't quite tell for sure but I think Aces is registered to a Chinese firm (or at least owner). I suppose it doesn't really matter as long as the product is good but I'm pretty certain that it is not from Tennessee or anywhere in the USA.
I did call with a question about the default VE table in the software. Not really an issue though. Yes I'm sure it's made in China like all the rest. If they are made in the states like Megasquirt the ECU components will still be from China.
and still only 8 mpg