Druid Multiclass Tier Ranking in D&D 5e
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0:00 - Sponsor
1:13 - Intro
2:29 - Artificer
7:47 - Barbarian
10:54 - Bard
13:59 - Cleric
20:14 -Fighter
23:09 - Monk
29:51 - Paladin
37:59 - Ranger
41:56 - Rogue
44:07 - Sorcerer
45:24 - Warlock
46:14 - Wizard
47:56 - Community Rankings
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Moon Druid + Way of The Astralself now you can just rely on wisdom and you can use the astralself’s features in wild shape
Yap.. You still need at least a kipoint to activate the arms though. It's a good combo nontheless.
I mean as a moon druid you only really need wisdom anyways, since your spending most of your time transformed
@@nicolaeentertainment8280 Correct. Abilitywise it's solid. If you are going to multiclass with moon druid you are also getting a higher unarmored AC in many cases. Some animal forms like giant snakes, spiders, wolves or eagles and have good dex so if your PC has a good wisdom you can get a much better AC.
Let’s not forget the moon Druid monk can add their wisdom mod to their AC while Wild shaped
@@teachytv3242 Depends on the interpretation of your DM I think. Are you able to do martial arts as an animal?
I’m a big fan of Treantmonk’s wildfire build where he dipped into arcane cleric so he could get firebolt and green flame blade as wisdom spells.
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The Dudes tend to downplay multiclass options as a set of mechanical problems, and then Colby tries to show how the multiclass works. It's awesome!
@@Whoeverheis11 ahah same!
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I did a spore druid/drunk monk
A Stars Druid dipping into Twilight Cleric is such a thematically fun build.
A Moon Druid dipping even one level into Monk is freaking great because of Unarmored Defense.
I have a Twilight cleric that's dipping Stars druid actually. So thematic and it boosts support very nicely
Came here to say this
Played a level 2 stars druid, twilight cleric and she was Awesome!
I played a Stars Druid with a dip into Light Cleric just for some extra bit of that sun domain.
Does unarmoured defence work in beastie forms?
I'm surprised that they didn't bring up Unarmored Defense when talking about the Monk multiclass. The idea of a Moon Druid adding +5 to the AC of most of their animal forms with just a 1 level dip is really, really tempting.
@@lucaspostuma6028 Why did you cut that quote short? The full quote is "Your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, but you retain your alignment, personality, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores." Then, when you go down to the fourth bullet point under the same section, you'll find "You retain the benefit of any features from your *_class,_* race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so." [emphasis added]
So yeah. You keep your original Wisdom while in Wild Shape and you can still use class features like Unarmored Defense. This is not even remotely ambiguous.
Probably for the same reason why they keep overlooking War Wizards as well: They seem to be focused only on a purely damage-based playstyle, but not so much on one that favors resilience. Just imagine you added those two levels on top of the Druid/monk you mentioned... the initiative bonus alone can be pretty neat to get a moon-druid pounce early.
This could also be argued for AC bonuses from races such as Warforged or Autognomes (ie, you could say that your wild shape is mechanical in nature and thus would be physically capable of benefiting from them).
Though it's important to remember that what features your beastform is capible of is at your DM's digression for the most part.
The ac bonus is nice, but it isn't always +5 to ac, though. A lot of beasts have natural defence, which the unarmoured defence calculation doesn't take into account.
@@BigPurpleCarrot The funny part about this was that I was struggling over how to keep things concise when I wrote that comment, and I ended up including the words "most of" specifically to cover the point you just made without going into an entirely separate digression. Maybe I summed up too much...
For the Druid dipping Cleric, I love the idea of flavoring your spiritual weapon/spirit guardians to be either thorny vines/roots, or spirit animals
the Age of Sigmar's Sylvaneth half-ghost elf/half-tree spectres have a nice miniature range for that
I do that with Sorcadin, but for slightly different reasons lol. He's Oath of Ancients and Divine Soul, worships Hanali Celanil the goddess of beauty, so his Spiritual Weapon is a crystalline rose, and his Spirit Guardians are hummingbirds.
No joke! In Curse of Strahd i played a Circle of Stars druid Light Cleric and they meshed together SO well
Mine uses an anchor crusted in barnicles since he was created by sentient coral.
Monks also add in unarmored defense, which can give Moon druids up to +5 AC when they wild shape(depending on the creature's natural armor).
May need to suggest that to our Moon Druid if the player feels they need for a bit more oomph.
Yeah, it's basically the only way to give your wildshape a halfway decent AC.
It's not always +5, because you overwrite any bonus from an animal's natural armour. But it's a substantial boost for almost every wildshape form, as well as acting as insurance if your DM refuses to give druids decent armour.
At 20 wisdom is usually a 2-5 bump.
A level 1 monk also gets to use their bonus action for an unarmed strike if they already attacked with an unarmed strike or monk weapon. It's basically multi attack for all wildshapes
@@__-vb3ht unfortunately, Multiattack isn't the "Attack Action", so the free bonus action unarmed strike doesn't work in 5e. I believe it will work in 1DnD, but we have yet to see the new monk
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One suggested synergy I've seen for a Druid/Warlock is that Druids get a lot of spells that create area hazards (Spike Growth, Sleet Storm, Plant Growth, etc) and Repelling Blast gives you a convenient tool for pushing enemies into those hazards if they get out.
Druid Artificer to me inspires witchy vibes. A potion brewing alchemist that uses primal magic.
i did something similar with alchemist and stars to be a healer
Honestly don't know why they don't talk about infusions on this show more often. Bonus armor and attack rolls on your spell focus are good by themselves, and a homunculus is a great tool for any character. I think a 2 level dip might be a nice little early level power boost in its own ways.
@@MrDavidKord Hell, in the table where I'm playing an artificer, the alchemist's jug infusion by itself has justified the character.
Oh hey look the party can now make wine at the rate of a gallon or up to 4 gallons of beer, without expending any materials, per day. Nevermind the armor buffs that give you boosts to concentration rolls.
Did this in a 'wild beyond the witch light' campaign. She was called Sabrina😅
I do love artificer Druid for the theme, but I think Druid/Warlock is much better for a witch build.
@Dungeon Dudes : as you said eventually in the video, multiclassing spellcasters requiring different Ability Scores *can be done* if you focus one part of the build on spells that don't require a high spellcasting ability.
For instance, a Druid 9 / Bard 3 (Lore or Eloquence) can have 14 Wisdom and 20 Charisma. You're every village's favourite elder, a trusted adviser, a shrewd diplomat. When shit gets real, you call upon an army of Woodland Beings to trample your enemies.
Likewise, Goodberry, Enhance Ability, Heat Metal, Pass Without Trace, Spike Growth, Polymorph ... are spells that don't require you to have a high Wisdom.
Ooh, I like that!
Being at least a level 5 Circle of the Land (Mountain) Druid and taking 2 dips into Tempest Cleric is absolutely worth it. I did that combo in a Descent into Avernus campaign and took the final boss down from around 90% health to under half with a maximized 6th level Lightning Bolt. Only her Legendary Resistance save her from being one-shot.
I never looked at the Circle of Land spell list before until now. Lighting bolt is an awesome spell to get as a druid. I could also see a lot of potential with a Monk or another Martial multiclass with a Grassland druid that casts haste on themself. Edit* However I now see the issue that it won't come online until lvl 10, at least, to get both 3rd level spells and multiattack.
Maybe you could do a small dip into Fighter or Ranger for a fighting style and proficiencies instead of 5 levels.
Honestly a crazy concept I have always wanted to do was an ancient paladin/moon druid build who takes the form of mountable creatures so that someone with the Mounted Combatant feat (especially a barbarians) can ride them so the rider gets all the aura benefits while the paladin is functionally untargetable and just hitting with smites and maybe Lay on Hands when needed.
Sounds fun!
That sounds like a blast. Feel like you’d really need the GM on board for creating scenarios where it would work (more open-land encounters than usual) but with that, I’d totally try it.
lay on hands can be reflavored as letting the party give you neck scratches in wild shape
@@lauramcmillan9592I mean, you can ride a spider, right? Grip with your knees. Might be a stretch, but I would definitely allow a wider range of rideable creatures for a character with MC feat riding a druid.
This seems really fun. Not sure how mechanically powerful it'd end up being, but it'd definitely benefit from the rule of cool and fun-ness. I absolutely want to play it at some point. Crap, that makes me want to play like 4 different druid characters now. XD
Moon Druid + Great Old Ones Warlock lets you talk to the party with telepathy while Wildshaped, and you can use your short rest slots for self heals, as well as increased out of combat utility
Invocations are great, too, like devil's Sight and one appropriate for your pact
If you go Chainlock, you can get an Imp familiar, turn into a spider, get in your familiars pocket, and have it turn invisible and fly you around
The Shroomstalker sounds really good and thematic.
Unarmored defense from Monk is really good in wild shape, addig your wisdom to your AC makes your Moon Druid even tankier!
Something that I see coming up a lot in this video is focusing on Wild Shape as a combat ability, when really, aside from Moon Druid, it's best used as a utility option.
Touching on your comments about the Wizard, Warlock, and Sorcerer: you forget the power of the Shield spell! 1 level dip in any of these classes gives it to you. Warlock and Wizard also give you Find Familiar (not the fake version Druid gets) for an owl aiding you in battle and giving advantage on one attack. Sorcerer has so many great subclass features right at level 1. Divine Soul, Clockwork Soul, and Aberrant Mind all stand out as great dips.
Also get Con save proficiency if you go sorcerer first.
Warlock doesn't get Find Familiar, but an Eldritch Knight can pick Shield and FF...
@@matthiasb9370 Warlock gets it through Pact of the Chain, and it's a much better version than usual.
I think part of the reason Paladin didn't score high in the community is because there's some confusion as to whether or not you can smite in Wild Shape. JC has said several conflicting things, including that Divine Smite is not supposed to work with unarmed strikes because they don't use weapons (even though nothing RAW actually supports that) but earlier says that natural weapons are weapons. Seriously, his tweet about that is almost as confusing as his See Invisibility ruling.
Exactly, smite states that it can only be used "when you hit a creature with a melee weapon attack". So natural weapons like claws need to be included in that definition for the Paladin combo to work.
However fighting styles for sure can't work for wild-shaped druids. When everything you wear transforms with you into the animal form, you're not wearing or wielding anything anymore. But this is how the requirements of all the different fighting styles are formulated.
@@Chris_Taru not exactly. I had to go back and dig through tweets and sage advice because it gets fucky and confusing. TL;DR, you can smite using natural weapons, but you can't smite with your fists.
So, attacks made with a melee weapon, natural weapon, or unarmed strike are all considered "melee weapon attacks." But it has specifically been said a few times that you don't use a weapon when making an unarmed strike. Natural weapons though are considered their own class of weapon, like Simple or Martial. (This gets even more confusing because several player races, like Tabaxi, have natural weapons, but in their specific description it says they use their natural weapons to make unarmed strikes.)
I'll quote straight from Sage Advice for their logic, in response to a question about unarmed smites: "Divine Smite does work with a melee weapon attack, and an unarmed strike can be used to make such an attack. But the text of Divine Smite also refers to the “weapon’s damage,” and an unarmed strike isn’t a weapon." Natural Weapons are considered weapons, so you can still smite with them. Note that right after providing that explanation, SA goes on to say that this was purely a flavor choice they made, and that game balance wouldn't be affected if a DM chose to ignore this ruling.
Fighting Style is a little more cut and dry, mostly because even counting natural weapons as weapons you wouldn't meet the other requirements.
Blind-fighting fighting style. You now no longer worry about dim light, darkness, or invisible opponents. Not much, but it is something.
@@brewdaly1873 Thanks for clarifying on the definition's interpretation from Sage Advice. By that definition a natural weapon then can be used for Smite which I find very flavorful.
And we also agree that with the way fighting styles are formulated, they cannot be used with natural weapons when following default rules.
@@therakul Oh I see. I only considered the fighting styles in the player's handbook and didn't realize that this list was extended by other official material.
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I feel like Barbarian dip for Druid really only makes sense for the Moon Druid. The rest of the Circles tend to be focused on spellcasting and don't blend well with Barbarian. It's a niche, so I'd say that B or C since D for everything EXCEPT the Moon Druid.
aight, but spores druid (more damage per attack)
It shines a lot at early levels when you're doing the barbarian/moon druid combo for sure. I've played 10th level Spores Druid / Beast Barbarian multiclass and it did very well.
I'd argue for C, since it's pinned on one class combination, that really doesn't come online until about level 7 (since slowing CR and spell progression before level 5 as a moon druid sucks), starts feeling a bit rough at level 10 when other moon druids would be ahead in spell progression and be getting elemental forms, also slows getting to Archdruid and breaking the game, and cuts off one of the most powerful things a Moon druid can do (Conjure Animals/other conc spell into Wild shape).
It might be cool, but that doesn't put it on the same level as let alone over Monk (which boosts AC and gives a BA off a 1 level dip), Paladin, Ranger, or Fighter (esp. when taken at level 1 for Con prof).
@@xInsane333x It really on works at 2 Druid, 2 Barb (CR1 forms, Rage); Spell Casting is hardly a thing at this point due to low impact and low number of Spell Slots. CR2 forms wont come only until Level 6 Druid, and are also hardly better than CR1 forms anyway. So, if you don't think the campaign will get to Tier 2 (or hardly any in) then this is a great combo.
Once going deep into Tier 2 and beyond, though, you are putting Spell Casting behind, while Wildshape falls off dramatically and relies on that Spell Casting. You also can't Concentrate on Spell Casting, which is where the best Spells are for Druid at this point. You also have a lot more Spell Slots so you do want to do this every combat, which Rage wont allow.
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Especially after seeing you two get disappointed when a combo doesn't work, I would love to see a video where you share some of your favorite ideas for non-optimal builds, the characters that don't make sense mechanically but you think would be a blast to play in a one-shot.
Or even just in more casual games! I play with mates that for the most part don't run optimal characters but can still do good things. Shadow sorcerer/underdark lands druid was mine
Swarm keeper can also take magic stone instead of a bow and go full into wisdom.
DMing a Wildfire Druid / Light Cleric. She took 2 levels of cleric and the rest druid, and now is 9th level, but never seemed weak. It's a great combination, she always has something powerful she can do.
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Played a lizard folk moon druid/bear totem barbarian up to lv. 16 and he would eat up so much damage. It was great taking huge hits while the rest of the party cleaned up the battlefield.
Taking 2 levels into War Wizard gives you Arcane Deflection, giving a reaction to increase AC or boost a saving throw at the cost of what you can't do already in wild shape.
But it's an int class
@@moonlight2870
Right, but wizard has tons of spells you can use outside of that which don't use int at all, especially because this is just referencing a 2 level dip.
@@cuppa3875 but it's int.
@@moonlight2870
Cool, and?
You literally get 3 spell slots at first level at level 2 and that's it, easily can be used for spells like shield without having to use int at all. Just make it 13 to multiclass and never touch it again, and never think about it.
Something I didn’t hear mentioned about Monk/Druid is you get Unarmed Defense in wildshape. Whatever the dexterity of your beast form plus your wisdom modifier can be used for your AC, which can make some wildshape options a lot better with even a single level in Monk.
I just realized my moon druid multiclass doesn't work at all haha. I am a few hours from session and I had invested everything into Dex and con for the AC but as soon as I wild shape those dont matter crap.
Make sure the beast stat block doesn't have "Natural Armor" because then you don't get the Wisdom bump to AC
Armorer Artificer Moon Druid has an interesting interaction where you can make your armor fit you while still in wild shape. I imagine this as a war forged too which is just an insanely cool combo that I really want to try.
now THATS the beast wars transformer!
Thunder bear claws, heck yeah I like it!
I want to see this build!
Spores Druid with Barbarian is also awesome as the latter stretches the temp HP so much further.
Is then druid w/ artillerist articifer good because of the temp HP cannon dropping d8+int THP for every round you feel like using a bonus action on it?
1-2 levels in Barbarian is arguably the only sensible multiclass for a Spores Druid (instead of Shillelagh, consider a Str-based weapon to take advantage of Rage damage bonus and Reckless Attack). As an Action, Symbiotic Entity gives you 4 temporary HP per Druid level. You then add 1d6 necrotic damage to melee weapon attacks until you loose these temporary HP, which could easily be before you even get to attack if you have too many non-Druid levels. Instead of multiclassing for Extra Attack, I would pick up the Polearm Master feat.
Temporary HP can't be added together (PHB p. 198), thus, taking levels in Artificer (Armorer or Artillerist) only means that you have fewer temporary HP from Symbiotic Entity.
@@SortKaffe More thinking of non-spore and non-wildfire, where one already has THP and the other already has a bonus action pet.
E.G. Moon Druid, where the cannon could either be a *group* d8+int THP per round while a bear(or shephard druid), or be a flamethrower for 2d8 in a 15ft cone with a half-damage save. Or have a 120ft range 2d8 force +10ft knockback.
@@voicetest6019 That cannon is always good on any build, but probably the least good with a druid. Wild shape already gives you a butt load of effectively temporary HP. I'd rather it be the flame thrower for a druid. Even though that's kinda undruidy. Maybe a Wildfire Druid? ... Okay that's pretty cool. Circle of Wildfire with a freaking flamethrower!
@@lloydlineske2642 Yeah thematically it fits, but the wildfire already has a pet that ties up the bonus action.
It'd be fun(but ridiculous) if the DM let you use the bonus action to command both pets. Since the tiny size cannon could be carried by the small size spirit, the cannon gets a flight speed and even a very short range teleport.
It could fit into circle of the land if you went mountain I guess.
Excellent, as always. Thank you.
I wanted to give a mention to the Druid/Cleric option, in that both are prepared spellcasters. If you are willing to give up some of the higher level spells, 1-3 levels in both give you a big spell list to choose from when you wake up. I also like the two levels in Stars Druid for the Archer more than the Spores mentioned.
I'm surprised they didn't bring up Life Cleric dip for Disciple of Life and then combining that with the Chalice Starry form of the Stars Druid. Basically combining two great healing features into one character makes for a pretty powerful healing kit.
Not to mention the super life berries.
Was really not expecting Ranger to be that high. Also did not think of the smiting bear. That would be quite the surprise for the party that tries to murder a random hermit in the forest. 😂
I played a Spores Druid until level 14, after which point, I multiclassed into Life Cleric until level 18.
Before multiclassing, I was the designated healer, but after, I became a huge ally to the party, bc I could pick all the healing and support spells from the 1st and 2nd level Cleric spells and upcast them, with 1 or 2 from druid spell list, and then I could pick the most devastating and powerful crowd control and setup Concentration spells from my Druid list. Plus, with Shillelagh, temp hp from spores, and the ability to healing word as a bonus action, I was an adequate tank for the party
druid with warlock uses the druid's battlefield control and combines it with the warlock's invocations that turn EBlast into a move spell. at higher levels, throwing 2-4 blasts that say "move someone ten feet" on them when you're casting stuff like spike growth or the weird weather themed druid concentration spells past 5th level is strong enough to justify 2 warlock levels i think.
This is exactly what I'm doing with my current character. Stars Druid Archer attack+ Dao Genie/Crusher combo gives me forced movement & decent blast damage on both action & bonus action. I have very effectively made use of moon beam or spike growth.
This is such a cool idea! I bet a character like this wouldn't take a backseat in any party.
@@PsychoSquirrel2012 Cool I've tried running a very similar build in my last campaign (minus the Crusher feat), and never really got it online since the game fizzled out.
Glad to hear you're having fun with it!
go genie dao warlock (they get spike growth in their expanded spell list)
I would be more interested in 2 levels genie warlock for the the extra proficiency damage, and devil sight to get darkvision on all wildshapes/eldritch mind for the advantage on concentration?
Its not great but its at least workable if you are missing Darkvision on your humanoid form
I actually have a ranger/druid in AL and I love it. I took 5 levels of Gloomstalker then went wildfire. I get a Salvo of arrows at the beginning, have the mobility of teleporting bc of wildfire, and I can drop a summon and disappear into the shadows.
Best part? The Wildfire Spirit doesn't emit light, so I can hide right next to it
Another note on the Barbarian/Druid. Unarmored Defense will give you a better AC on many wild shapes.
20:25 Im with kelly on this, a druidic warrior is awesome enough but we have oath of ancients and ranger, however when he mentioned spore druid it gave me an awesome concept i had never thought of before, Fungal warrior
One really potentially potent Cleric Druid would be with Life Domain. Makes Healing Spirit and Goodberry REALLY good
With the monk, you don’t even have to focus on dexterity because if you wildshape then your dex changes but your wisdom stays the same so you turn into a creature with high dex then your unarmed strikes and defence will still be good
when it comes to materials for a druid armor there are honestly so many options: adamantite, magical wood, scales, hides of powerful animals and monsters, gems like quartz, bones, thick furs, glass, obsidian, weird shit you can achieve by alchemy.
Like c'mon DM I want that AC
Or just allowing metal armor
Glass and obsidian? That sounds terrible.
And isn't adamantine a metal?
@@TheHornedKingyes.
@@TheHornedKing if elder scrolls can make glass work so can I and ... yeah it is that's an oof on my part
For my Circle of Stars Druid, I splashed in a 1 level dip of Cleric with the Knowledge Domain. I thought it was thematically cool to have a druid that studies the stars, saw omens of the future, and had a lot of knowledge (effectively expertise in 2 knowledge skills). It has helped so much with the number of Cantrips I have and with preparing useful 1st level spells. My Druid preparations can all be more useful higher level spells and my healing word, cure wounds, detect magic, etc., are all covered by my 1 level of cleric. He is basically a nature wizard that controls the battlefield, puts out pretty good damage, and has great healing/support abilities. Great dip both mechanically and thematically.
NOTE: I know Arcana Domain would have probably been more optimized, and also been thematically cool, but I personally felt Knowledge domain was thematically best.
Came here to comment about bards' and druids' historical relations, but Monty beat me to it. I really love how much Irish lore you know, Monty. It's really wonderful to see others that know our old lore
Druid + Fey Wanderer Ranger gives you some nice options out of combat adding your wisdom for charisma checks. Add your extra D4 to Spores druid and I think there's something there.
I feel like Colby's (D4) Beast barbarian/ Spore druid build should be considered too. It makes the Tasha's version of Spore druid usable again. Not to mention the build itself seems like a blast to play.
Oh good, I have been looking forward to a Colby Druid video!
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*Moon Druid 9 / Open Hand Monk 3* : one day I was travelling in a forest in Kara-Tur and saw strange bears, with black and white fur. I wild-shaped into it and downloaded all the knowledge of these creatures. Then I realised : I know Kung Fu !
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Okay, spellcaster dips into arcane are actually kinda fun imo, cause they give you reactionary spells like shield. One level and you're there.
Additionally mage hand and minor illusion are nothing to scoff at. Also one level of wizard gains you find familiar which can give your wildshape advantage.
Regarding the whole heavy armor issue with druids I'd also point out that there are some samurai armor that were made out of stone. I would also argue that larger "scally" monsters hide/bone would make impressive plate armor. Regarding being a monk druid especially for the moon druid option I point out that your wisdom would still be added to the wild shape AC which would be a very significant bonus especially at higher levels. I would point out that a soulknife druid mix especially with moon would solve your lack of finesse weapon problem.
I just made a comment saying that you could use an animal shell for that heavy plate mail
Also there is an offical suit of plate armour that isn't made of metal, the Scorpion armour from Tomb of Annihilation. Sure unless you're immune to poison such as being a Yuan-Ti it does an insane amount of damage, but that is still an interesting option
@@mme.veronica735 I'm pretty sure that either Monk or druid has a feature that gives you immunity to poison.
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Moon is crazy strong, but I am glad Spores got some recognition. Halo of Spores gives you reaction damage and Symbiotic Entity gives scaling temp hitpoints too on top of damage. Throw in Hunter's Mark from Fey Touched and every attack is doing an 2d6 extra.
Would have liked to see Stars brought up with say Alchemist or Armorer. Stars pairs with a few Cleric domains too like Light, Twilight and Life. Astral, Dragon or Mercy Monks give some worthwhile themes and power too.
Funny combo thing for Fighter, Paladin or Ranger: If your DM allows the Mariner fighting style, all your Wild Shapes get a swim and climb speed and get a bonus to AC.
For the Artificer, I could see an Alchemist Druid working thematically. Mechanically it's still pretty much a bust, but potion making is a very 'druid' thing to explore and it does give you access to some spells you wouldn't otherwise get and the level 3 elixir ability isn't bad but you're still giving up what feels like a lot for that 3 level dip.
Yeah. That's all the Alchemist really gets. Cool concepts and visuals. Playability it's trash though.
The main issue with Druid/Monk RAW is you can only use the Bonus Action unarmed strike/Flurry of Blows when you take the Attack Action, which means you can not use Multiattack and get a Bonus Action attack as well; you would have to take a single attack as an Action to do so. With Flurry of Blows you still come out ahead with 3 attacks total instead of 2, but without it, you get 2 attacks either way, so it all depends on how many Ki points you have to spend.
Here's the idea for an artificer/druid. Get 3 levels in artillerist for access to shield and the turrets, and pick up booming blade as one of your cantrips. You could go into melee and use booming blade for your action and the temp hp turret on your back as a buffer that refreshes every round. Pairing this with the circle of shepards, you could plop down your hawk aura and cast summon beast, letting you use your reaction to get advantage on the booming blade and giving the beast of the land its pack tactics, and then the temp hp turret could affect both you and the summoned beast.
One man army of healers.
Start by going wild fire druid 6 to get enhanced bond. Start dipping to artifacer.
D6A1 nap fire bolt and guidance as your cantrips. If you already had guidance go with prestidigitation or mending whichever you need more. Firebolt with 2d10+d8 (with wildfire spirit up) damage is now your base action during combat.
D6A2 pick homunculus servant and spellwrought tattoo for find familiar (via replicate magic item) as your infusions. You now have three minions through which to cast your healing spells.
You could stop the dip here, but third level of artifacer (alchemist) for always prepared healing word can be considered. Finish the build by adding one level of life cleric to give your healing nice flat bonus.
For the Druid/Monk theme, you could make it a martial artist that goes into the wilds to study how animals fight and incorporate their methods into his/her own fighting style.
Played a Stars Druid with few levels of Divination Wizard for a Theros based one shot. Very fun thematically and roleplay wise with watching the constellations for predicting the future
There is a table on pg 142 in the Special Features section in Ch 7 of the DMG that talks about a magic items creation within the world. Some of those option tell of alternate materials used the items creation instead of the traditional fair. I've used this, DM approval, as a way to not be screwed over by Heat Metal.
I really enjoy this series: there are a lot of surprise picks in here as far as multi-classing synergies. And I love how you guys shout out Colby a few more times in here, after a couple of his recent videos were direct responses to this series. Any chance of a collaboration?
Druid and Monk is really good for the Way of the Arcane Hand from SCGD, but I think that's more of a monk with a Druid dip for a couple of cantrips (Thorn Whip especially), a couple good concentration spells, and slightly improved spell slot progression.
On the Sorcerer/Druid, someone really needs to create a subclass for Druid that uses Wildshape to give the Druid Metamagic-like abilities...
Also, I now really want to play a Paladin 2/Druid X just for the "Holy Cow" pun!
Wildfire Druid + Armourer Artificer does combine well with a few levels of artificer. The wild fire druid gets a summon that enables bonus action teleporting and the thunder gauntlets don't require you stay within 5ft to work so you can impose disadvantage and stay out of melee
I like the Thematic idea of a Swarmkeeper Ranger/ Spore Druid
I had a character that was a circle of spores alchemist mix. It relied a bit on homebrew for the alchemist part but mwah the synergy. Druidcraft on ingredients, brew concoctions before battles, find rare materials to make cool and unique tonics that react differently if drank, poured, or thrown. I miss him, he was easily my favorite character to play
I was in a party with a Genie Warlock Dao/Circle of Spores Druid and the combo was adding Bludgeoning damage to Thorn Whip for Battlefield Control. Genie's Wrath and the Crusher feat at the start with Custom Lineage, he would thorn whip a target into one of his spells from Entangle to Spike Growth later. In that same campaign I was a Circle of Stars Druid/Twilight Cleric which pairs perfectly and fits thematically.
One level dip in Life Domain Cleric gives a 3HP boost to a druid's Goodberries. So you go from giving up to 10HP per cast to up to 40HP per cast.
Also love the channel back and forth between the dudes and Colby at d4
Being a Shepherd Druid 10 right now, I've been itching at the idea of dipping into Cleric, and this video gave me a lot of great ideas. Hard not to just go with Life Cleric for the amazing boost to healing spells on top of the Unicorn Totem, but Twilight just sounds ridiculous haha.
my wood elf is an Arborficer, and does exactly what you described to great effect by transmuting natural material into magical devices, I actually use spells like barkskin and entangle to boost the utility application of my character. with my elf I can be a healer, dps, tank, or utility depending on how I play him, the ultimate every-man
I am currently play a wildfire druid/ hexblade warlock who serves a patron ( Matron of Raven/Raven Queen) whose profiles include death. I am the judge, jury, and executioner. I enjoy it since I can regain some of my spells a short rest when I regain my wildshape.
Any of the non-moon druids with pact of the tome, book of ancient secrets allows you to eventually get some useful ritual spells though it would require as much as six in could be useful. grabbing find familiar with out using a wild plus the mat (just the mats with this way) with six you could get tiny hut if your doesn't have any other spell casters that can cast ritual ( doesn't put it up past a low c but still useful
Awesome video as always my thoughts:
Wildfire druid plus alchemist artificer. You are a druid of fire thematically cool and mechanically getting two different +modifiers on all your fire spells.
For bard druid I love the idea of a druid singing bard battlesongs to their beast friend animals to go into combat with them. I don't think its stronger mechanically than straight druid or bard, but its fun, and certainly viable.
For druid cleric I would go wildfire and light and just be casting fireball on my druid.
No sneak attack? No problem, you would never dirty your hands anyway. Mastermind rogue Shepard Druid, you're tactically and coldly directly and manipulating your tamed beasts. 3 level dip into rogue for master of tactics and the rest into druid.
One of my players has been running a Moon Druid/Oath of the Ancients Paladin (5/5 split at level 10) for about 2 years. And let me tell you… IT SLAPS!!! Especially considering when he wild shapes into a Deinonychus (a dinosaur) and crit fishes 3 attacks per turn. Adding smites onto theses has him in top tier for damage dealing in our game. For context there’s a ton of homebrew we use but 6 player party other players are rocking Forge Cleric, Battle Master Fighter/Pact if the Fiend Warlock, Peace Cleric/Kensei Monk, Divination Wizard and Armorer Artificer. And Druid/Pally has done upwards to 100 dmg in a single round but consistency does 30-50 dmg per round. What makes the build really stand out is the shear amount of utility it has.
A Druid/Celestial chainlock is interesting because of:
1. Gift of the Ever-living ones stacks with druid's healing from Moon and Dream Druids
2. Armor of Shadows stacks with Wildshape
3. Armor of Agathys stacks with WildShape
4. Hex stacks with multiattack and grappling from wildshapes
5. Pact magic breaks goodberry and stacks with Moon Druid healing.
6. Voice of the Chain Master with imp is a free devil's sight and led you talk while WildShape
Non of this requires Charisma to work out
As of this time, It appears that you accidentally forgot to add this video to the "Multiclass Tier Rankings" playlist.
I am very appreciative of these highly insightful videos. As you said in this video, multiclassing from druid is hard and doesn't tend to work very well mechanically, though based on what you said in this video and some of the comments that I read, it can be done successfully. Please keep up the good work.
A paladin-druid can become a a sacred otter, a "holy diver" if you will.
On Rogue: Soulknife's psychic blades ability means that any wildshape form can make a d6 using the psychic blades, and get sneak attack from the them too.
I tried my hand at the swarmkeeper/shepherd combo flavored as a sewer-dwelling prince of rats and had an absolute blast. DM was a bit frustrated when pile after pile of rats were being added to the table though...
If I may, I have something of a thing between Druid and Cleric.
14 Druid - Stars / 6 Cleric - Peace
Idea behind it being a protective caster of his people, being nomadic and having a tradition of following the stars, but eventually being noticed and blessed by a deity of peace and prosperity due to how he helps shepherd his people to live in a way that is not destructive and always leaving things with the promise of new growth - things like planting trees in a wooded area where they felled a few trees, or helped the locals ready defenses to fend off an incoming orc raid, possibly even helping them in the fight.
What makes this nice is the Channel Divinity is 2d6 + Wisdom Mod and gives emergency movement to ping healing. Emboldening Bond is a nifty way to support the group - like a free bless. Put it on a skill monkey like the Bard or the Rogue to help ensure those sneak attacks go off. Protective Bond, while a nice feature, will come back in a bit as Stars features make it much better. Finally, the domain spells for peace aren't nothing to sneeze at either - Heroism, Aid, Beacon of Hope are all nice pickups here and help reinforce the support aspect at virtually no cost.
Stars Druid helps bring some oomph by giving you free casts of Guiding Bolt up to your Proficiency bonus per long rest, as well as making it prepared without counting against your spells prepared along with the Guidance cantrip. Starry Form gives you some bonus stuff all while retaining your spellcasting abilities, Archer letting you ping damage with your bonus action, Chalice increases your healing, and Dragon gives you a very nice way of managing your concentration by letting you take 10 on those, as well as with Wisdom and Intelligence checks. Cosmic Omen is nice to have, not game breaking but it doesn't hurt us either. It's basically like Bardic Inspiration and Portent had a side affair and Druids took it and ran. 10th, your Starry Form scales up to remain relevant in late game. Here is where we bring back up Protective Bond - 14th Level, When a Stars druid is in their Starry Form, they gain resistance to Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing damage. Couple that with Protective Bond, if that Goblin Assassin snuck up and was about to end the wizard without anyone being able to react, you can ping to them if you have them as an Emboldening Bond partner, then take that attack's damage - which you will have resistance to more likely than not!
This doesn't bring to bear the awesome spell selections you'll get from being a 6th level Cleric and 14th level Druid - stuff like Shield of Faith, Command, Spiritual Weapon, Spirit Guardians all being options along with Longstrider, Heat Metal, Spike Growth and Conjure Animals - and that's barely scratching the surface of what you'll get!
TL;DR - I know Twilight Domain is a favorite, I've used it with a Ranger multiclass myself, but I think there's so sooo much more to this that could be explored!
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I love love LOVE that this series has become some kind of casual unofficial colab with Colby
For your question on 23:29 about moon monk, I think that Jeremy Crawford has said, if you use the multi attack action (usually Claw claw bite), they are considered weapon attacks, not unarmed attacks for purposes of the monk features. However, I think you can still attack using monk features by not taking the attack feature in the stat block and just declaring you're attacking
I'm surprised they didn't talk more about the Stars druid, which seems like one of the strongest subclasses for multiclassing. They talked extensively about increasing the damage of their attacks but didn't really talk much about the fact that Stars druid gives you an extra attack per round (at least in archer form). And it's one of those rare cases where the extra attack doesn't require that you use your action for anything else. How many classes would love a feature like that?
My personal favorite Stars Druid multiclass is into Swarmkeeper Ranger, because it allows you to weaponize your bonus action in a way few other builds can. Consider this scenario:
At the start of battle, you go archer form and attack the enemy spellcaster with your bonus attack. You hit, so you activate Favored Foe for a little extra damage, and use Gathered Swarm to move the target next to the barbarian in your party. You've now caused some good damage and rearranged the battlefield to your advantage. And that's before even taking your action.
That means if you need to use your action to disengage or dash, for example, you can do so without feeling you wasted your turn. It's like cunning action in reverse, only better because you're not limited in what you can do. Imagine a rogue who could cast spells as a bonus action!
For this build I would recommend going wisdom-based, then take the Archery fighting style to help make up for your mediocre attack bonus. 14 DEX with the Archery fighting style is the equivalent of 18 DEX without it, at least on your attack. The slightly lower damage is more than compensated for by your extra attack with your bonus action, which is wisdom-based on both attack and damage. Going wisdom-based also makes the DC higher for the strength save the enemy has to make when you try to move them with gathered swarm.
The other benefit of this multiclass is that you can have 3 ranged attacks per round as early as Level 7 (Druid 2 for your bonus archer form attack, Ranger 5 for extra attack). That's 4 levels ahead of the fighter. Granted, that's only when your archer form is active, but with 2 uses between short rests, you're probably going to use it in most battles.
The best druid wizard combos:
Stars druid x + divination wizard 2.
Moon druid x + war wizard 2.
Also you get rituals, shield, barbs and misty step on druids with any of these.
Good but not as much as the other two:
2 Moon druid + 2 Abjuration (more levels in either 2+x, x+2, 6+6 all work)
Good enough excuse for why you're multiclassing:
Wildfire druid + evocation wizard ( x+2 or x+6 depending on total levels and how much you want the wildfire spirit to scale personally.)
I've got a Sheperd/Swarmkeeper Oldman Gnome in line that I'm super excited to play as, it seems to just work so well together, even though I haven't had the chance to play it yet
One thing I love about the cleric dip is that, especially at low levels, the Druid spell list doesn't have great ranged single target damage and has a lot of elemental based damage, so Cleric spells like guiding bolt and toll the dead really round out your damage kit
If you are going to multiclass into druid, spore druid is good, but a subclass that never gets mentioned by the Dungeon Dudes is the wildfire druid. The subclass is worth mentioning if only for the 15-foot teleport as a bonus action. It would have some good synergy with a lot of ranged or skirmisher builds. Thematically, I tried reflavoring it as a flaming red hood or an elemental possession. It is hard to make wildfire druid a main class for anything, although a ranged sharpshooter with magic stone could work.
Love the Carrie t-shirt!
I'm currently playing a Rogue (1) / Moon Druid (6), and it is SUPER fun. Even if you don't get sneak attack while in Wildshape, there are so many Druid spells that can Really help a Rogue (especially a Thief). Pass Without a Trace, Guidance, Detect Magic, Faerie Fire, Meld Into Stone, Locate Objects, Find Traps, Enhance Abilities, Charm Person, Fog Cloud... and that's just up to Level 3 spells. Add to that being able to Wildshape to gain access to places you shouldn't and to evade capture, and it is crazy how these two can synergize. I'm excited to take this combo further.
Most manoeuvres do work in Wild Shape, as creatures' attacks are stated to be weapon attacks, not unarmed strikes. I think there's some which require you to be actually holding a weapon, but those are a minority compared to the ones which just require "a weapon attack", or not even that.
I think we all know the beautiful combo of life domain with goodberry and shillelagh, but you can get that from taking magic adept. Personally, I love the idea of the swarm/shepard who is actually a hive mind. The character themself is the elder brain to their mini mindflayer hive of insects of various sizes.
Bard Druid. Fully agree on the flavour meshing well. Challenge accepted on the mechanics =D
For the warlock i think the great old one would allow you to telepathically speak while in whildshape, as well as mask of many faces and beguiling influence allowing you to be the penultimate infiltrator
I do love the thought of a druid/monk, where you wildshape into the the creature of which style you're using. Using stunning strike as a giant mantis, or flurry of blows as a tiger would be a lot of fun!
I had an interesting build for a multiclass character combining Druid and Warlock in a short campaign (unfortunately, it was abandoned after reaching Level 5).
The theory behind this build was that the signature spells of the Druid class, such as Absorb Elements, Goodberry, Pass without Trace, Conjure Animals, Plant Growth, and Polymorph (targeting allies), could still be effective even without a high Wisdom modifier. As a result, I opted for a Wisdom score of 13 using the point-buy system and then focused on maximizing Charisma and Constitution.
I took two levels in Hexblade Warlock to gain access to Shield spell and medium armor, as well as to leverage the combination of Eldritch Blast, Repelling Blast, and Agonizing Blast. This combination served as a highly impactful at-will control package that dealt decent damage for a caster.
I definitely had fun with this concept, and I would say that there were situations where I carried the party, even though it may not have been the "most optimal" choice.
So, my main takeaway is that the Spores Druid is actually a pretty good melee multiclass dip, and now I'm looking into maybe adding that on my future Mercy Monk! (I kinda love that subclass since it's the Druid subclass that made the most first impression on me when I was first reading about D&D classes, just sad that it is generally rated as mechanically weak)
Mercy Monk doesn't really need Spores Druid, but the damage can help out. Plus Pass without trace is always good at getting you into a great position when combat breaks out or to get out of town.
You can Sneak Attack while WildShaped if you are using ranged attack like the Ape's Rock attack.
Treantmonk used A Paladin dip on a Moon Druid build fairly recently.
It was a crit fishing monster of a build with Eleven Accuracy and a single level Hex Blade build for the improved crit Range.
It was quite impressive.
There is some weird interaction between armorer and moon Druid where you can wild shape and then put your armor back on to use that. Your DM may or may not allow it based on the size or shape of your wild shape, but it is an interesting interaction.
I play a Wildfire Druid/Arcana Cleric. Shillelagh + GFB + extra d8 Fire Damage from Enhanced Bond. My dm was nice enough to let me craft some Half Plate from the chitin of a giant scorpion we fought. I'm firey support tank that is teleporting myself and others all over the field 15ft at a time. Maybe not the absolute best Min/Max character but I love playing him!