"12.5.3 Any player of the serving team is forbidden to raise hands above the head during service, until the ball has passed beyond the net." => "Any player of the serving team", so that applies to the server too ? 😛
the no rotation on the serving team is implemented here in the Philippines since November 2024. some fans even made fun of the league as to why were they making their own rules. later on, it was said to be a trial in our league before being implemented in national team tournaments in April. i think our federation's president who happens to have a position in the AVC and FIVB suggested this in our league haha.
Damn, I was sure I included this in the video, but I forgot... If the referee sees a player raising their hands, they can issue a warning. But if the player ignores the referee’s call, the team loses the point.
Exactly, the positional fault completely disappears for the serving team (it wasn't very controlled anyway since R1 controls the good execution of the serve while R2 controls the positions of the players in reception)
Small correction about saving the ball. You said that "if the ball lands in the free zone after the 2nd or 3rd touch it's immediately considered out of bounce". First of all, if the balls literally lands in the free zone, that will be out anyway =) Secondly - new edition states that the ball becomes OUT after the 2nd or 3rd touch as soon as the ball crosses the net plane faling through the crossing space. So it might be still on its flight =)
English is not my native language, so I might not have expressed myself correctly. By "lands," I didn’t mean that the ball had already hit the court. I just wanted to say that the ball ended up in the opponent’s open space. I hope I’ve expressed myself more clearly this time. But if not, please feel free to correct me again! 😊
@TheBestSideofVolleyball Mine too... =) I sort of understood what you implied, just wanted to clarify that in the new rules the ball can be attempted to be saved only if it crosses the net plane completely or partially outside the crossing space after the first team hit. After the 2nd or 3rd no need for a ref to wait until the ball lands or contacted by a player - a whistle as soon as it flew over or ourside the antennae.
@@goomy6502 well if the ball is spinning very hard and you set the ball and the ball is still spining they call it as double even if it wasnt, so I would welcome change to the double contact on set
I think the overpass to the opponent free zone is a regression. I would understand if it was applied to U19 and younger for the safety of kids. But for club competition let these pro players play.
What's the problem? After the first touch, you could still send it back. But after the second, and especially the third, it was impossible to send the ball to the opponent's side from such a sharp angle. So why wait until the ball was completely out of play?
@@ASutt23 Do you even realize what you’re saying? Usually, this happens after a serve or an opponent’s attack. And yes, most of the time, the ball ends up in an open area after the first touch. If the ball goes to the opponent’s open zone after the second touch, how exactly are you planning to send it back in just one touch? Until you show me a video, I refuse to believe it’s possible. Even that incredible save by Patry, which I used in this video, happens from his own side of the court, not the opponent's.
Can they undo the Libero and net serve allow? That's two of the dumbest rules in the history of volleyball. Rules Committee: Hey, instead of relaxing the sub rules for the BACK ROW SPECIALIST, let's make a new position and neuter the f$##@ out of their ability and call it the Libero? AAAND, let's poop on forcing someone to put the ball into play, cleanly and just allow any serve to touch the net! I don't know why any Libero would NOT want to be able to swing from the back row and overhand pass from the front row.
The restrictions on the libero position are designed to ensure that the position is used as intended: for a defensive specialist, ideally to allow shorter players to compete without having to spend half the time on the bench (or worse, barely play at all, given how restrictive substitution rules are internationally). The setting rule prevents them from being used as a permanent setter, which would be cheap, and the attacking rule prevents teams from using them as a full-time back-row attacker. They're good constrictions to prevent the rule from being abused by just implementing a strong back-row attacker or a full-time setter at libero. I may agree with you on the net-serve change being messy, but it's, like, 25 years ago now. You might as well lobby for them to bring back side-out scoring. ;-)
your team isn't required to play with a libero, broski. If you don't worry about having one, you don't have to worry about the rules that come with it.
@@dzmcroy There was (AND STILL IS) already a position called the Defensive/Back Row Specialist. It has existed for over 40 years. Keep skimming over every word I said just because you are angry that I was critical about it. Just wow!
@@VBMichael_D Even if they relaxed the FIVB sub rules for your very precious Back Row Specialist, like they do in American high schools where you have 18 subs and can use them freely (so you see a lot more DS-es), that player would only get to play half the rotations, because they would have to sub out in the front row. 99% of people in volleyball love the libero rule; letting your best passer play full-time back row keeps the game more accessible and exciting with more digs and prolonged plays. Your "criticism" is bizarre and I can't even figure out why you're so mad.
@@dzmcroy Look at your paragraph response. Who's mad again? LOL Keep failing to understand that the BRS can do the same things as the libero. EVERYTHING you said could also be applied to the BRS
Interesting rationale behind the new rule about no rotation violations for the serving team: "We were never calling it anyway, so why do we need the rule?" That just means that the rule is working...
It mostly means it's very easy not to violate, because you are doing nothing at arrive time but going to your position. And there is no advantage to a specific formation at that time all you want is getting to your position in time for the rally on opposite side to start. The only thing the serving team might want to use their position for strategically is screening. By letting them be wherever they want, it's way harder to justify any grouping.
@nicolasvecchione6016 If they're worried about screens they should just start calling them, they don't need to remove this rule as a workaround to that end.
lol you got me with the flag one 😂
"12.5.3 Any player of the serving team is forbidden to raise hands above the head during service, until the ball has passed beyond the net."
=> "Any player of the serving team", so that applies to the server too ? 😛
the no rotation on the serving team is implemented here in the Philippines since November 2024. some fans even made fun of the league as to why were they making their own rules. later on, it was said to be a trial in our league before being implemented in national team tournaments in April. i think our federation's president who happens to have a position in the AVC and FIVB suggested this in our league haha.
Really good video. Good information. Explained clearly. The visual examples were perfect. Perfect length. Overall great way to share information.
So what happens if the player of the serving team has his hands above his head ? Point for the receiving team ? Just a caution and replay the point ?
Damn, I was sure I included this in the video, but I forgot... If the referee sees a player raising their hands, they can issue a warning. But if the player ignores the referee’s call, the team loses the point.
For serving team rotation rule, does this mean there absolutely no requirements anymore in term of placement event before the serve ?
Exactly, the positional fault completely disappears for the serving team (it wasn't very controlled anyway since R1 controls the good execution of the serve while R2 controls the positions of the players in reception)
idk about yall but we've started this season with these rules already applied in egypt
Was it allowed to move freely during your serve, and was the ball considered out in the free zone after the 2nd and 3rd touch?
Banning overhead serve reception is without a doubt the most stupid thing that you could do to the sport.
@01:09 So a left OH can only extend over the net on the left side?
no, contact just needs to be on your side of the net
Small correction about saving the ball. You said that "if the ball lands in the free zone after the 2nd or 3rd touch it's immediately considered out of bounce". First of all, if the balls literally lands in the free zone, that will be out anyway =)
Secondly - new edition states that the ball becomes OUT after the 2nd or 3rd touch as soon as the ball crosses the net plane faling through the crossing space. So it might be still on its flight =)
Thank you for the clarification
English is not my native language, so I might not have expressed myself correctly. By "lands," I didn’t mean that the ball had already hit the court. I just wanted to say that the ball ended up in the opponent’s open space.
I hope I’ve expressed myself more clearly this time. But if not, please feel free to correct me again! 😊
@TheBestSideofVolleyball Mine too... =) I sort of understood what you implied, just wanted to clarify that in the new rules the ball can be attempted to be saved only if it crosses the net plane completely or partially outside the crossing space after the first team hit. After the 2nd or 3rd no need for a ref to wait until the ball lands or contacted by a player - a whistle as soon as it flew over or ourside the antennae.
which date does this go into effect
01. January 2025, but different local volleyball federations could choose another date (rules changing in the middle of active season)
So double contact rules are still the same? 😔 I wanna live in a world where I can hit the ball with my fingers and not lose the point immediately
Bruhhh. That's just skill issue.
@@goomy6502 well if the ball is spinning very hard and you set the ball and the ball is still spining they call it as double even if it wasnt, so I would welcome change to the double contact on set
You should improve your setting technique.
Double contact is a violation. How to avoid? Practice and more practice.
Guys yall are so lame it's crazy
I think the overpass to the opponent free zone is a regression. I would understand if it was applied to U19 and younger for the safety of kids. But for club competition let these pro players play.
Why? It's impossible to get the ball back
What's the problem? After the first touch, you could still send it back. But after the second, and especially the third, it was impossible to send the ball to the opponent's side from such a sharp angle. So why wait until the ball was completely out of play?
@@TheBestSideofVolleyballsecond it is not impossible at all, what are you talking about? When does that ever happen off the first touch anyway?
@@ASutt23 Do you even realize what you’re saying? Usually, this happens after a serve or an opponent’s attack. And yes, most of the time, the ball ends up in an open area after the first touch.
If the ball goes to the opponent’s open zone after the second touch, how exactly are you planning to send it back in just one touch? Until you show me a video, I refuse to believe it’s possible.
Even that incredible save by Patry, which I used in this video, happens from his own side of the court, not the opponent's.
@ re read what you wrote initially
when there are so much rules volleyball may no longer be enjoyable to play, too much rules gives way to referees bias and favoritism
Catching and throwing the ball already illegal? Idk what indoor volleyball you're watching lolol Middles throwing it down like lebron on the court.
Can they undo the Libero and net serve allow? That's two of the dumbest rules in the history of volleyball.
Rules Committee: Hey, instead of relaxing the sub rules for the BACK ROW SPECIALIST, let's make a new position and neuter the f$##@ out of their ability and call it the Libero? AAAND, let's poop on forcing someone to put the ball into play, cleanly and just allow any serve to touch the net!
I don't know why any Libero would NOT want to be able to swing from the back row and overhand pass from the front row.
The restrictions on the libero position are designed to ensure that the position is used as intended: for a defensive specialist, ideally to allow shorter players to compete without having to spend half the time on the bench (or worse, barely play at all, given how restrictive substitution rules are internationally). The setting rule prevents them from being used as a permanent setter, which would be cheap, and the attacking rule prevents teams from using them as a full-time back-row attacker. They're good constrictions to prevent the rule from being abused by just implementing a strong back-row attacker or a full-time setter at libero.
I may agree with you on the net-serve change being messy, but it's, like, 25 years ago now. You might as well lobby for them to bring back side-out scoring. ;-)
your team isn't required to play with a libero, broski. If you don't worry about having one, you don't have to worry about the rules that come with it.
@@dzmcroy There was (AND STILL IS) already a position called the Defensive/Back Row Specialist. It has existed for over 40 years. Keep skimming over every word I said just because you are angry that I was critical about it. Just wow!
@@VBMichael_D Even if they relaxed the FIVB sub rules for your very precious Back Row Specialist, like they do in American high schools where you have 18 subs and can use them freely (so you see a lot more DS-es), that player would only get to play half the rotations, because they would have to sub out in the front row. 99% of people in volleyball love the libero rule; letting your best passer play full-time back row keeps the game more accessible and exciting with more digs and prolonged plays. Your "criticism" is bizarre and I can't even figure out why you're so mad.
@@dzmcroy Look at your paragraph response. Who's mad again? LOL
Keep failing to understand that the BRS can do the same things as the libero. EVERYTHING you said could also be applied to the BRS
Interesting rationale behind the new rule about no rotation violations for the serving team:
"We were never calling it anyway, so why do we need the rule?"
That just means that the rule is working...
It mostly means it's very easy not to violate, because you are doing nothing at arrive time but going to your position. And there is no advantage to a specific formation at that time all you want is getting to your position in time for the rally on opposite side to start. The only thing the serving team might want to use their position for strategically is screening. By letting them be wherever they want, it's way harder to justify any grouping.
@nicolasvecchione6016
If they're worried about screens they should just start calling them, they don't need to remove this rule as a workaround to that end.