Installing Concrete Storm Pipe // @Schifsky Companies - Day 1
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- Опубликовано: 3 май 2022
- Today is part 1 of day 15 of our Minnesota job with @CarsonSchifsky
(Check them out here: www.schifskycompanies.com/).
We are working on a land balancing a new subdivision. We'll start with some land balancing and end the project with installing sewer pipe. So stay tuned, we were out here for a month so there will be a lot of videos in this series!
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Learned a lot listening to you in the cab explaining what you were doing. Looking forward to part 2.
Thanks Allen! This was actually a throwback video from when I was out in Minnesota last year working with Schifsky. I will randomly pepper these in when we are getting low on vlog content due to being busy with job things. Stay tuned for part 2....sometime?😂
@@DieselandIron I remember when you went out there last year. I recently recorded a Deere 950K, nice machine.
I find it best to knock down the bench to fill the track line. This makes the filled half and reduces the amount of sliding on the fill side. I make it all flat and have the top guy market center as I go. Doing all this will save you time on spinning around with cut dirt. I like the way you set the pipe on the pile before bringing it into the guys, I do the same thing. As a whole, it all looks good just need to refine the process. You guys could do 500 to 600 feet in 8 hours with that 200-size rig. Wish I was there to point out things as you go. The crew seems to be having fun which is an important thing.
This was my first time digging mainline and this crew's first time ever doing pipe. We were a whole crew full of rookies! Thanks for all the tips Shane. I will absolutely apply them next time I dig in pipe (which might be later this year....)
Damn you work underground !?
@@turtletanya5175 Yes most of my life I have.
Always have your level with you!!
We hold our thumb out and squint one eye. Works most of the time
Wow here in 🇦🇺 we used sand for bed then once we lay pipes we also put sand to cover the pipes then before we backfill with soil.. You guys seems still doing things old school love it
This was a sandy mix we were pulling out that had been deemed acceptable for bedding and backfill material. Normally we would've had to truck in sand. We caught a lucky break on this one and upped our margin a bit!
great presentation+explanation+video! New SUB for drone and 3-camera angle! Well done mate! 🙏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching!
I lay pipe also here in Georgia and it’s so cool seeing how different people do it. Here we have to slope no benching. We also use fabric and wrap at each joint.
Thanks for watching! Certain job sites require fabric wrap here but most don't.
In my at of the world (SoCal) often we have to use filter fabric on the whole line; not just the joints. And lay and cover with 3/4” gravel
Good work
Back when I was a pipe layer in NC we would dig a little deeper and then throw some #57 stone as bedding for the pipe. We also wrapped all of our joints together And we would use rod to make sure grade was right. It’s awesome seeing different ways to lay pipe and this seems way quicker than how we did it.
It always amazes me the difference in technique you can see even just a few states over. There's a lot of variations on the way things are done in the industry.
That good 57stone is a pipe man's best friend
Tell the loader man to turn his keys in and you will mail him his last check😂 them lasers can be finicky.
Great job this is what I do for living I love my job ❤ I used the spectra DG813 pipe laser on CONNECTICUT
It's a lot of fun doing this kind of work, thanks for the comment!
Love the drone footage. I'll Have to get one for my videos as well! Great job
Thank you! My drone is easily one of my favorite toys. There's no better way to show off the scope of the jobs we do.
Greatly appreciate your honesty and insight. I’m saving enough of your vids to feel a little stalkerish 😅. Great stuff and very much appreciated!
Keep on saving brother, I appreciate the support!
You should lock the first 2or3 pipe in with excavator to make sure your line stays true 👍
Rookie mistake and rookie lesson learned!
W locked all ours with the x
Well done man
Thank you!
In the uk we put clean stone under the pipe, so you would dig a bit deeper and then put stone in the trench for the guys to level out with a shovel, check the laser then lay the pipe. This way seems alot faster though. 👍
This is what I posted Kat.......
We lay on 14-20mm gravel here in the UK, concrete pipes 900mm and above 20-40mm gravel.....Never seen pipes laid on sand......We lay our services on sand and cover them with sand then warning tape then more sand.......Sand can wash away and pipes will move because of that, because you are digging into clay any water outside of the pipes will go to the lowest point in the clay, which will be your run of pipes, water travels through gravel without moving it better than it does with sand. We 100% of the time spray a line the length of the run of pipes we're going to lay and keep that line between the tracks so you know at all times if you have move off the line.....
@@MyCracker1234 yeh sounds exactly like what we do mate. I don't think it would matter what type of ground your digging in, we would still use clean stone no matter what in the uk.
I just responded to MyCracker on this exact subject!😂
This particular municipality didn't require stone and the sand we pulled out was clean enough they deemed it acceptable bedding and backfill material. This is a rare occasion. More often than not they require stone and you have to bring in sand.
🎉🎉 Awesome video 🎉🎉
Thanks brother!
Good videos
We laid pipe with boxes next to two ponds here in Florida in summer we all about died but yeah just because I was on the loader I still was in the hole trying to learn anything and help where I could
Pipe work is always a good time and you always find some shenanigans along the way.
Any videos on how to read storm,sewer plans,understanding inv in&outs &how to move ci from back of curb I’d love to learn
Check the channel and I have several videos on reading blueprints. I'll try to put one out on reading underground prints.
Awesome video. Does that jurisdiction not require bedding and embedment? That's surprising. City I work for in Texas requires 6" bedding, and embedment to spring line with crushed stone
This particular municipality didn't require stone and the sand we were pulling out was deemed acceptable for bedding and backfill material. Sometimes you catch a lucky break!
Fellow nc pipe layer, I always put a bottle cap from a water on the laser dot in front of the last stick in the hole after every 3-4 sticks an get up out the hole and check alignment with a string line from the box to last stick and the alignment stakes, takes 5 mins but saves you days of rework
Also when you brick/mud up the first joint be sure to have someone check the target and keep it level while someone hammers in chunks of brick to keep it dead nuts, then mud the outside and throw some dirt on it, check it again and keep rolling, and as for moving along in the hole, I always put a little piece of duct tape around my shovel handle and put a dot with a sharpie where the laser hit its when I holds it from the bottom of the pipe, just a few tips I’ve learned I’m only 23 lol
Can also cheat the pipe over if it’s a half to quarter bubble off, just move it a 1/4 bubble back per stick within 2-3 sticks and it won’t leak, just make sure there isn’t any daylight and to make sure the mastic is on good and tight
Thanks for all the tips my man!
Wow in Quebec we lay the pipe on a compacted stone bed...the compaction is tested...i can't believe yout pipe don't move😮😮😮
When you have really high quality sand like we did on this job you don't need additional bedding material. We would've pulled sand out to put sand back in.
Are you guys digging out a recess for the bell end? We do that in Australia and I can’t really see if you guys are doing it
Yes, pipe was laid flat with a small depression dug out for the bell
Every place or country has their different ways to lay pipe. East coast Canada we over dig 150mm then add 3/4 type 1 fine gravels. Compacted to 97/100%. We also only install 2 pipe then backfill so the pipe don’t lift/sink or shift. Love the pipe laser we always use it great tool. Good work tho. Ps give that man a mask cutting pipe brushing his teeth with concrete dust 😂
I kept telling the guys to bring a mask. They didn't....
It is pretty amazing to see how different people from different areas do things. There's always more out there to learn!
We lay on 14-20mm gravel here in the UK, concrete pipes 900mm and above 20-40mm gravel.....Never seen pipes laid on sand......We lay our services on sand and cover them with sand then warning tape then more sand.......Sand can wash away and pipes will move because of that, because you are digging into clay any water outside of the pipes will go to the lowest point in the clay, which will be your run of pipes, water travels through gravel without moving it better than it does with sand. We 100% of the time spray a line the length of the run of pipes we're going to lay and keep that line between the tracks so you know at all times if you have move off the line.....
We generally add stone below pipe here in the US as well. For whatever reason this municipality didn't require the stone and the sand we were pulling out was acceptable bedding material so we were able to use that. Your spray painted line idea would've saved us a bit of time!
A culvert man from Australia
I agree should be laying on aggregate 7-20mm to avoid any possible cavities but it's an extremely dry trench most high lying-in systems don't require sand due to the high water tables but
Any area is subject to flood so expensive rcps should be laid to the highest standard these cowboys clearly think they can run a pipe crew with little to no experience and put multiple people's life's at risk any body with a days experience can point out 10 NCRs unsafe trenching steel on steel cut off saw no dust suppression line of fire destroying structural integrity of the pit working under the bucket the mess that operator made I would delete this tomorrow out of fear of my team mates shaming me how hard is it to hit up some sort of truck an d load some overburden out
Always loved the way the UK set out alignment standards and aggregate under most utilities a few common sense ideas that are implemented in most first world countries I would love to see these guys lay 900mm 3 barrels or even head walls aprons or just rcps in a wet condition
Most of the northern states use crushed stone/gravel. In Florida we used sand as stone would have been expensive to import.
Poor Brian, trying to show some technique and just getting called on the no stone bedding! Lmao let me just add to that. Here in Oregon, USA. Everything has a 3/4- poured in from a rock skiff. The only thing sand is used for here is covering natural gas lines. Which are poly.
Gotta love the internet! Had we needed to bring in bedding material it would've been sand because that's what the local code calls for. It just so happened we were in material that was good enough that we could use it to bed the pipe in.
I’ve never seen that pipe beveling thing. We use a demo saw 😂your tool seems way nicer
Stick string and a flow liner
Given that soil and the relatively shallow depth (not to mention no cross utilities), wouldn't bringing in a wheel or stinger trencher make sense?
If you had one then yes, these would be great conditions for it. In this situation you have to think about rental and mobilization costs. If we could track down a wheel trencher, rent it and bring it onsite would the cost be offset by the production we would get out of the machine. On this particular job you would never have gotten your cost back. Great question though!
When all else fails, always blame the loader operator
As a loader operator I can confirm that this is the way.
@@DieselandIron lol I’m one and they try and pin everything on me lol
Let me ask do you guys not fill the pipe half way on the side and tamp it with a foot tamp plate tamp?
We do but we were limited to one machine on this job so the backfill happened after the pipe was laid.
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Thanks for watching Bryce!
No mirrafye wrapping on the pipes joints?
Wasn't required by the municipality
You should backfill every joint that way you know you're not moving the last joint you put in also tell your Hillman that when hooking up his cable make sure he is hooking it so you're not swinging that cable back over your guys head js
Good points!
Not bad for a new squad in pipe laying what I just want to ask ? Why dont they use a stub or rocker to meet the inspection chamber at the end ? Also does it not need to sit in a bit deeper ? How do you make it watertight so it don’t release water and in my experience if you get 2 pipes in in a row you risk bumping the first one also use a piece of pipe block
To push the pipe down and normally every 5 pipes we check direction 1 gallon or red and white stick in center of start pit then one in center end pit and one on your laser then one person eyes it trough you will notice straight away when you run out left or right and adjust your laser to correct the line also pipelayer should measure with his shovel pipe length and copy that in your bed and shovel out where the color or neck lands also lifting the pipe up and shovel a bit under with the shovel is not the correct way having said all that good job i only gave a few ideas you can think about using or not stay safe and keep posting videos please
Since this was storm it didn't need to be any deeper. Depending on the municipality they may pressure or vacuum test the system after installation. I appreciate all the tips! This was a good learning experience.
Pipelayer needs to keep his bar on the beam infront of his pipe and check to see if it's still hitting his bar before laying the next joint with target... that way if the Lazer gets jarred from the backfill guy between laying the joints he will know
These are the lessons learned by the rookie pipe crew on this job....
Would be cool if you could do a ‘how to muck shift’ video one day next time you’re on a muck shift job. I watched your video called ‘Top Excavator Tips and Tricks’ video awhile ago and it’s by far the best video I have seen for excavators. I do a lot of ADT work so am always working with excavators but it still confuses me when it comes to the best way to load when operating a excavator when sat on top of piles. I watch them all day loading me but there is only so much I learnt from it. Would be cool to hear in-depth on how to load and best positioning when using excavators. Am close to getting a job in one now, have an interview next week. Had my licence for 16 months and never had work because of having no experience. Company’s just don’t want to know you in England when you haven’t used them before so I have been stuck driving ADT’s for the past year and it’s making me brain dead 😂
I hear you on going brain dead. I ran ADT's for about a year when I started in the industry and those days sure did drag...
I'm assuming when you say "muck" you are talking about just loading trucks all day? That's one of those British terms that I'm still learning😂
I'll see if I can't put together a video on the subject, even if it takes me using die cast models.
@@DieselandIron yes that’s what we call loading trucks all day ‘much shift’ ha and yea ADT’s are killing me! And thank you
What's the 2nd person in the trench doing ?
Learning. This was a job where we were teaching a new crew how to do pipe work.
I'm only Rord pipeline project working
You forgot the rocker pipe movement joint.
Looking back at this....we did..
Great job and info. Shit my company is always looking for good hands.all in southern California. LoL. 💪✌️
Thanks for watching! If I find myself in SoCal I'll hit you up!
How much pay for hour I have experience 30 feet's deep sewer line
Why are not you backfilling and tamping the piipe
We only had one machine. When we were done we grabbed the hopac and backfilled and compacted.
How to be part of ur company now i searching of job for drain layer pipe im working in qatar last 2022 as ah pipe fitter and drainlayer. Thanks and good bless
Good vid but you gotta get some water on that blade when you're cutting concrete
That's not super practical on a pipe crew. Most of the time you throw on a dust mask and away you go!
How do you begin the step trench?
Dig a trench in line with where you are going and then start to step down the sides. Always dig your main trench first so you keep a nice tight trench
@@DieselandIron Depending on soil type and elevation (invert) you dig your outward most benches first because when you go back over the sides of your trench the pipe goes in, you can disturb the soil enough to cause cracking and wall failure. Spoils should be back at least two feet from existing grade, more the better though.
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I'm not seeing a part 2 or day 2. is there one?
Thanks for watching! Here's a list with links to all the days from this job...
Day 10 Part 1: ruclips.net/video/VrNd7Lvz7VI/видео.html
Day 9: ruclips.net/video/ifmCZk2mjT8/видео.html
Day 8: ruclips.net/video/AcNiLiqgEPc/видео.html
Day 7: ruclips.net/video/ODJuWyTccsQ/видео.html
Day 6: ruclips.net/video/et-MzXaY_y4/видео.html **Accidentally posted on Diesel and Iron
Day 4 & 5: ruclips.net/video/wUO678lbcCE/видео.html
Day 3: ruclips.net/video/jejWcz5VFto/видео.html
Day 2: ruclips.net/video/9VmCsbTnVj0/видео.html
Day 1 Part 2: ruclips.net/video/xFNqQzvZhO0/видео.html
Day 1 Part 1: ruclips.net/video/UNy6L8kLTgw/видео.html
Keep your spoils pile 2' back from the top of your ditch.
Trench.
I took your advice on getting a job operating with my disability of having one arm, I got a job driving a 740 cat haul truck, im really thinking about starting a RUclips channel and live streaming it, I already have a go pro that can do it, I was wondering what you thought about the idea, thank you for your time.
That's awesome! I remember your comment asking about getting into the industry and I'm thrilled that you found a spot! As for the RUclips channel, absolutely start one! I will be your first subscriber if you send me the link. The only way we continue to grow this industry is by drawing more attention to it. Document your day. Talk about your struggles operating and how you overcome them with your disability. I think you have a great story to tell!
@@DieselandIron I’ve been thinking about streaming the last like 2/3 hours of the work day, and answering questions and hopefully have a few good laughs, i think im gonna try it! I appreciate the support, I’ll be in touch soon!
@@DieselandIron ruclips.net/channel/UCR-o9MLfKUrjZnqZCprQe2g I’m the one arm guy lol this is going to be my channel 🤙
How come they don't have you put clear stone under the pipe?
This municipality didn't require it for storm pipe.
Cutting pipe dry. Inhale all that dust for a painful death lol
You know you've gone too far when it hurts to breath 😆
God I wana go back to doing underground utilities but my body is way to injured for it now days and I’m only 25 🤦♂️ need surgery on both knees my back and my right shoulder so I can’t even go back to doing what I love
Become the mainline hoe man! Nice cushy seat, no stress, no pressure. Just calm easy days 😂😂😂
I see a lot safety violations for not wearing PPE SMH folks!!! Great video but safety first! Thanks
Thanks for the comment
No big deal live and learn
That's it! The only way we learn and improve is by fucking up and having to fix it!😂
I'm only too much working Dubai country five years working Dubai
If this is a concrete pipeline for sanitation, I think it will not work, because its life will be shorter if PVC or GRP pipes are used, because there are gases inside the line when it is used, which corrode and its structural age is less, or this concrete pipe is lined from the inside with PVC or GRP.
Thats storm pipe for drainage.. rcp pipe
Fack it! Kick it back on line, it’s only drain baby
A couple taps with the bucket and she squares right up.
Your country name bro
Lol Carson we love ya. But let the pros be the pros. Watch it and learn it good. Then get into it bro
Hmm not compacting the base you put under the pipe also not good when you compact after backfill flow and inv elevations will change causing separated joints, bkwards flow, etc.. but as they say.. "looks good from my house" 😂😂
It's incredible that the project was completed without a hitch and 3 years later we have no complaints. It's almost like we knew what we were doing and armchair operators might not be the best judge of what took place on the job....
That flow line is gonna be shit. You can't over excavate then throw some loose dirt in to make grade when laying pipe. You need compaction and a rock bedding to ensure your flow line stays solid. Slamming your bucket open is gonna piss off the HDR's. Swinging your pipe around where the laborers are would get you thrown off the job where I'm from. Union operator here, with over 30 years experience.
You sound like a union operator with over 30 years of experience.
do you have a job in america i am operator
@@DieselandIron I am 23 years old, I have experience, I am looking for a sponsor in the USA
Your country work visa Yes and no
That's just a stupid comment...this tooth bucket does much better in clay....really???
It really does! Are casual observations stupid? Do you want to talk about your anger problems Tom? I'm here for you...
@@DieselandIron you must one of guys who digs with a ditch cleaning bucket all the time. No shit teeth make a difference!!! You might as well tell us how a sharp knife cuts better!
@@tomcander3669 if you had watched any of the other videos in that series you would know we had a sand bucket on that machine because we had sand further up on the job but hey, don't let me get in the way of your snarky comments
@@tomcander3669 Ditch cleaning bucket? Grading bucket or commonly known as a ditching bucket?
@Mike Znel what the hell are you talking about? They are not grading buckets but I'm sure clowns like you who can't dig have to use them
I guess you have never had osha come on site before. Because they would shut you down and give you a healthy fine.
Your country open Visa me
I deliver pipe to job sites. Pipe haulers are some of the worst individuals I've ever met.
Hate to tell ya but you guys dont know how to install or backfill right sorry
Thanks for the comment
Nobody started out knowing it all. They did alright. They got it done and nobody got hurt. RCC isn’t necessarily easy. SDR or ADS is pretty easy because you can set it by hand with a bar and it’s super easy to manipulate. You lay pipe, not install.
My country India and my sata only Punjab
Never cut concrete without water and a mask. Please.
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