I just discovered stereo delay for live vocals. Usually, it is used in recording. Set the left channel to 125ms and the right to 175ms with no feedback. Mix it in very subtilely. The audience shouldn't be able to detect it. You'll know it's right if you can't hear it but when you mute it the vocals sound more narrow.
You know, not only are you knowledgeable brother but one of the funniest guys I know. As long as I been in the sound game, I continue to learn things from you my brother. We appreciate you God bless you and we love you.
Here’s my feedback: I’m learning so much. I like that this is simple and using only a limited number of concepts. I’m a beginner so I get confused easily.
For spatial purposes, I like to use 2 delays with 8-14 ms...each one different and then pan it hard left and right. HPF/LPF as you explained in your videos. By the way...James, you're doing a great job!!!!
@AttawayAudio Thank you for this live saving and enlightening video as always. God bless you immensely. Please how can i get the worship song you worked on? It ministered to me so much.
I'm mixing my Church Livestream audio with Studio One 6. I have incorporated several delay and reverb tricks mentioned here and other places. And I like what I've come up with, but that doesn't stop me from changing it up from time to time. Here's mine: I'm sending it to a separate FX channel pre-fader to allow the FX channel fader control the amount that gets mixed in. This delay/reverb FX channel goes into a stock Studio One compressor at 6:1 that is sidechained to the dry audio. This ducks the delay/reverb on the vocals, but let's the effect come up on the quiet areas. The delay itself is the Studio One stock plug-in called Analog Delay. I'm only adding a very small amount of feedback, but that might change later. And right now it's at about 120 ms instead of synced to the audio. Again this might change this later. Then there's some stereo ping-pong to widen things up a little. Next is my Relab LX480 Essentials reverb where I roll off the lows at about 600 Hz and the highs at about 10k. The reverb is based on a vocal plate. My whole delay/reverb effect is very quiet on purpose, in part because I still pick up the natural room acoustics a bit, and this effect mixes into it fairly well. Or at least I've not been tech soloed for it. My final step is pushing this FX fader to about -10 during singing and backing it down to -25 during the message. I don't really feel I need a lot of the effect to get what I'm after. PS, feedback.
@@AttawayAudio Thank you for this live saving and enlightening video as always. God bless you immensely. Please how can i get the worship song you worked on? It ministered to me so much. ❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you for this tutorial! This is something my church is going to experiment with this Sunday! I also want to try tucking the delay into the Vox reverb like you mentioned. Thanks again for all your help!
I usually mix secular, but I've been told that a lot of my mixes sound a lot like worship music. 32%fb, quarter or eigth note, depending on the song. LPF 2-4k, depending on the vocalist. I don't usually feel a need for HPF because I usually start the vocal channel cut at 160. Always, always feed the tap delay back to the (usually 2.5s hall) verb. Whole Lotta Love and Joelene both sound great with this. I can get away with a bit of a hotter delay with rock/pop/country, too. Also, I'll sparingly use a 175ms delay at 12% for a slapback delay, with a hi-shelf down 3-4dB around 2k. Or, if it's a country act, maybe less sparingly.
Great video again . When you say ",send the dly to the same reverb your vocals are being sent to", do you send it from aux send on the on the dly return channel.
Thank you for your audio videos! I am a worship leader with a pro audio background and am helping my church team improve the live sound and get set up for improved streaming. So glad I found your site and your very informative to help me refresh and update my chops!
Hi! I've been LOVING your stuff lately. I like to think I'm fairly experienced with this stuff but it's really nice to have a refresher course once in a while. I have a question, I play in a rock band that usually plays smaller clubs, and I've noticed that sometimes the cymbal and hi-hat bleed into the vocal mics when there's delay involved can make them sound disjointed and muddy things up, in that context would you recommend avoiding delay altogether and just using reverb instead?
I'll send the delay back to the reverb post-fader with the send at 0dB (or the same amount that's coming from my channel send). If you want it to feel farther away, bump it up compared to the amount you're sending from the vocal input channel. If you want it to feel a little more dry, pull it back on the send. Some consoles will let you route an effect return back to another effect. Others won't, so you'd have to route your effect return to a pair of input channels that have that capability in order to run your effects that way.
That was one of the most practical advice. I have a question though. I singand run delay from my vocal unit. Is it better to send the entire mixed into the reverb or would it be better to send the delays and the dry voice separately into the reverb? Thanks
Hey! I'd advise you to send the dry vocal and the delay FX into the verb seperately. That'll give you more control over the balance the verb is giving you, as well as make mixing your vocal easier for the audio crew (if they're not already getting a dry signal from your mic).
It all highly depends on the song’s melodic & harmonic structure. In this song here it’s all about pentatonics. With that you might add 70% or more feedback without really distorting the tonal structure; it will always fit in the harmony! - Things would get far more delicate with a less ‘folky’ pop song, with diatonic scales and (modulating) chords in it
Great point! Love those details... and I'm going to use them all the time now 😂. I always knew it worked better on some songs and not others, but you put great language to it. Thanks Bart!!!
+Daniel Kulakovski I don’t think you can on the X32 (You can’t on the A&H SQ series or the PreSonus StudioLive series iii either AFAIK) but let me check and see if the v4 firmware opens up that option!
Haven't tried it on the X32, but with a Midas Pro2 (that also didn't let me send aux returns to auxes) I was able to route the output of the delay to a pair of channels, link them and send them into an aux. Might work on the X32/M32. I think there's also a set of delay/reverb combo units that might get close to the same effect.
I need help! I have an allen and heath SQ-7 and I haven't found a good effect for vocals and instruments, for example I really like the plate reverb effect of the Yamaha M7CL consoles, I have been trying different effects on the SQ-7 and I haven't found any of them to my liking. I would be very grateful if you could help me 🙏
It's a matter of taste! You can have a ping-pong delay that goes back and forth between sides, and that's fun, or you can have stereo delays that are syncopated - one side is straight 1/8 or 1/4 note, while the other side is dotted 1/8th or 16th... those are some of my favorites, depending on the rhythm of the melody. Or straight mono is fun too. Lots of options to try!
If I'm tapping it in right on my phone (lol) the tempo is 72bpm, so that'd make the 1/4 note 833ms and the 1/8 note 417ms or so. A friend of mine just keeps his delay set at 400ms because most worship songs are in that same tempo range and it's a good happy-medium 😮
@@AttawayAudio hi, i do have karaoke , the defaul delay effect in my microphone is 171ms using pt2399 echo IC, may i know if can i just it to 200-300ms ? Mostly song they sung are pop songs or love songs thanks
Any chance you could convert your 1/4 and 1/8 to ms for us? Sounds like you're about 67 BPM, so would that put your 1/4 delay just under 900 ms? That seems slow to me, but that may be close.
So more delay, less reverb? I’m always using reverb because I’m scared of that 1/8 delay you demonstrated. But what if the singer request he/she likes to hear her Ssss more? 😆 happened to me, I don’t know how to refuse 😛
My church has granite floor, big smooth walls and windows! It's nothing compared with yours acoustically. So you can imagine that it's more like a cathedral hahaha. But I'd like more time to test effects.
I've been working on adding reverb and delay, but I'm uncertain how to use them together. I get that you added the delay back to the reverb to smooth it, but how much vocal are you sending to the reverb alone verses to the delay? Do you regularly use both?
I do use both. I'll typically have my reverb return around -12 and my delay return around -18 unless I want to emphasize it more. Then anything is possible 😃😃😃
I love the series so far, but the removing the highs out so sharply makes some of the words more difficult to understand and it removes intended emotion and expression from the vocalist. Dessers and eq'ing these frequencies out should be used sparingly and not holistically. Just my 2 cents. I often hear sound engineers focusing so much on that topic because it is a topic, they don't fully understand How, When and How Much to remove. It's a very fine line just like proper effects in general.
I feel your pain. There are some rooms I mix in where I only add reverb or delay if it's a ballad that really needs a long hall. Otherwise it just gets messy.
I love using delay. It just makes me happy. What's your go-to delay setting? Comment below and let me know!
Just enough delay to add depth to the vocal while keeping it subtle.
I use it as a slap back in a room for 125, Makes the room sound bigger. About 102ms with 7% feedback
I just discovered stereo delay for live vocals. Usually, it is used in recording. Set the left channel to 125ms and the right to 175ms with no feedback. Mix it in very subtilely. The audience shouldn't be able to detect it. You'll know it's right if you can't hear it but when you mute it the vocals sound more narrow.
@@DaleBoyce2012 Brother Dale, I might just borrow that.
You are my favorite teacher on youtube. Thank you so much for your all videos. God bless you
You know, not only are you knowledgeable brother but one of the funniest guys I know.
As long as I been in the sound game, I continue to learn things from you my brother. We appreciate you God bless you and we love you.
Here’s my feedback: I’m learning so much. I like that this is simple and using only a limited number of concepts. I’m a beginner so I get confused easily.
I love that your camera vibrates with the music
I can't say "it's all about the low end" without cranking the bass, now can I? 😂🙌
For spatial purposes, I like to use 2 delays with 8-14 ms...each one different and then pan it hard left and right. HPF/LPF as you explained in your videos. By the way...James, you're doing a great job!!!!
@AttawayAudio
Thank you for this live saving and enlightening video as always.
God bless you immensely.
Please how can i get the worship song you worked on?
It ministered to me so much.
I'm mixing my Church Livestream audio with Studio One 6. I have incorporated several delay and reverb tricks mentioned here and other places. And I like what I've come up with, but that doesn't stop me from changing it up from time to time.
Here's mine: I'm sending it to a separate FX channel pre-fader to allow the FX channel fader control the amount that gets mixed in. This delay/reverb FX channel goes into a stock Studio One compressor at 6:1 that is sidechained to the dry audio. This ducks the delay/reverb on the vocals, but let's the effect come up on the quiet areas.
The delay itself is the Studio One stock plug-in called Analog Delay. I'm only adding a very small amount of feedback, but that might change later. And right now it's at about 120 ms instead of synced to the audio. Again this might change this later. Then there's some stereo ping-pong to widen things up a little.
Next is my Relab LX480 Essentials reverb where I roll off the lows at about 600 Hz and the highs at about 10k. The reverb is based on a vocal plate.
My whole delay/reverb effect is very quiet on purpose, in part because I still pick up the natural room acoustics a bit, and this effect mixes into it fairly well. Or at least I've not been tech soloed for it.
My final step is pushing this FX fader to about -10 during singing and backing it down to -25 during the message. I don't really feel I need a lot of the effect to get what I'm after.
PS, feedback.
Thankyou for the tutorial, Love seeing the camera shake when the bass kicks in, It must feel epic in the room. 👍
Well... it is all about the low end
@@AttawayAudio
Thank you for this live saving and enlightening video as always.
God bless you immensely.
Please how can i get the worship song you worked on?
It ministered to me so much. ❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you for this tutorial! This is something my church is going to experiment with this Sunday! I also want to try tucking the delay into the Vox reverb like you mentioned. Thanks again for all your help!
I love delay, I really enjoy your tutorials, thank you
Glad you like them!
Just found you on YT....great balance between the practical and tech jargon. Keep it up!
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it
This was a great video. I'm just getting into adding reverb delay into our church vocal!
Stumbled onto to this one. Glad that I did. Amazing.
My favourite effects tap delay😊
I usually mix secular, but I've been told that a lot of my mixes sound a lot like worship music.
32%fb, quarter or eigth note, depending on the song. LPF 2-4k, depending on the vocalist. I don't usually feel a need for HPF because I usually start the vocal channel cut at 160. Always, always feed the tap delay back to the (usually 2.5s hall) verb. Whole Lotta Love and Joelene both sound great with this. I can get away with a bit of a hotter delay with rock/pop/country, too.
Also, I'll sparingly use a 175ms delay at 12% for a slapback delay, with a hi-shelf down 3-4dB around 2k. Or, if it's a country act, maybe less sparingly.
Thanks! Great staff! Do you us stereo or mono delays here?
Thank you very much for your crystal clear tutorials
Thank YOU for the compliment!
You are the best who explain it!
Thanks for this I was so cautious not to ruin my live mix so I only used reverb.. super play safe 😂 . But next time I’ll try adding delay.
that's what rehearsal is for... experimenting with things that will ruin your mix so you don't get adventurous at the WRONG time
I really enjoy your videos. I have learned so much.
Whats the name of the console you are using ? it sounds phenomenal!
Video top. Parabéns. Deus abençoe sua vida e seu ministério.
Great video again . When you say ",send the dly to the same reverb your vocals are being sent to", do you send it from aux send on the on the dly return channel.
Use the Aux send from the delay return to send the delay back to the reverb. Not every console has this ability, which makes me sad.
@@AttawayAudio as i thought , thanks fo speedy reply and great channel
Thank you for your audio videos! I am a worship leader with a pro audio background and am helping my church team improve the live sound and get set up for improved streaming. So glad I found your site and your very informative to help me refresh and update my chops!
You're welcome! Thanks for leading worship!
Thank you for the informative video sir!
Hi! I love your setting for the reverb and delay. I have SSL 200 too. What is the name of your reverb are you using and delay?
I don't remember honestly. Sorry!
Amazing! Thanks for this video! Love from Sweden.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi! I've been LOVING your stuff lately. I like to think I'm fairly experienced with this stuff but it's really nice to have a refresher course once in a while. I have a question, I play in a rock band that usually plays smaller clubs, and I've noticed that sometimes the cymbal and hi-hat bleed into the vocal mics when there's delay involved can make them sound disjointed and muddy things up, in that context would you recommend avoiding delay altogether and just using reverb instead?
depending on room size mate.
Can you explain about how much and how to send back delay to reverb tips?
Thanks
I'll send the delay back to the reverb post-fader with the send at 0dB (or the same amount that's coming from my channel send). If you want it to feel farther away, bump it up compared to the amount you're sending from the vocal input channel. If you want it to feel a little more dry, pull it back on the send. Some consoles will let you route an effect return back to another effect. Others won't, so you'd have to route your effect return to a pair of input channels that have that capability in order to run your effects that way.
@@AttawayAudio Thank you so much.
Great video. How loud are your monitors? I can see the bass shaking the optics of the camera.
Maybe 88-90dbSPL A weighted this time
is there an ios iphone app that has all these things? I mean lpf, hpf, delay, reverb and preferrably eq and compressor as well?
That was one of the most practical advice. I have a question though. I singand run delay from my vocal unit. Is it better to send the entire mixed into the reverb or would it be better to send the delays and the dry voice separately into the reverb?
Thanks
Hey! I'd advise you to send the dry vocal and the delay FX into the verb seperately. That'll give you more control over the balance the verb is giving you, as well as make mixing your vocal easier for the audio crew (if they're not already getting a dry signal from your mic).
It all highly depends on the song’s melodic & harmonic structure. In this song here it’s all about pentatonics. With that you might add 70% or more feedback without really distorting the tonal structure; it will always fit in the harmony! - Things would get far more delicate with a less ‘folky’ pop song, with diatonic scales and (modulating) chords in it
Great point! Love those details... and I'm going to use them all the time now 😂. I always knew it worked better on some songs and not others, but you put great language to it. Thanks Bart!!!
Great content! I already watched all your videos. Also I have a question. How can I send my delay to the same reverb on behringer x32? Thanks a lot :)
+Daniel Kulakovski I don’t think you can on the X32 (You can’t on the A&H SQ series or the PreSonus StudioLive series iii either AFAIK) but let me check and see if the v4 firmware opens up that option!
Haven't tried it on the X32, but with a Midas Pro2 (that also didn't let me send aux returns to auxes) I was able to route the output of the delay to a pair of channels, link them and send them into an aux. Might work on the X32/M32. I think there's also a set of delay/reverb combo units that might get close to the same effect.
@@allitode thank you. I will try! And huge thanks for amazing content!
I need help! I have an allen and heath SQ-7 and I haven't found a good effect for vocals and instruments, for example I really like the plate reverb effect of the Yamaha M7CL consoles, I have been trying different effects on the SQ-7 and I haven't found any of them to my liking. I would be very grateful if you could help me 🙏
I'll have tutorials on the SQ coming soon, so be sure you're subscribed :)
@@AttawayAudio thanks! I would be very grateful
Do you do private course
I could use a little more "with" "without" back and forths
For vocal delay, should I use mono or stereo delay? Thanks for video
It's a matter of taste! You can have a ping-pong delay that goes back and forth between sides, and that's fun, or you can have stereo delays that are syncopated - one side is straight 1/8 or 1/4 note, while the other side is dotted 1/8th or 16th... those are some of my favorites, depending on the rhythm of the melody. Or straight mono is fun too. Lots of options to try!
@Attaway Audio do you route ALL of the delay into your reverb bus or is it a wet/dry mix? The diagram seemed to imply it was a mix
Most of the time, I run the delay to the stereo bus, and send it to the reverb at the same level as the vocal.
Lol ...been asking for this and here it is! smdh
great sounding console! 1/4 and 1/8 sounds good..do you remember how long they were in ms?
If I'm tapping it in right on my phone (lol) the tempo is 72bpm, so that'd make the 1/4 note 833ms and the 1/8 note 417ms or so. A friend of mine just keeps his delay set at 400ms because most worship songs are in that same tempo range and it's a good happy-medium 😮
@@AttawayAudio hi, i do have karaoke , the defaul delay effect in my microphone is 171ms using pt2399 echo IC, may i know if can i just it to 200-300ms ? Mostly song they sung are pop songs or love songs thanks
I have presouns live studio , what is equal 1/4 in my mixer?
you are amazing man
use it in faster music?
Have you tried Allen Heath Qu24? What’s the best delay & reverb type for voclas? Thanks
I haven't mixed on one, only set one up, so I can't dive into the specific effects parameters on that one. Sorry!
Hi thanks would you high cut as well , thanks
Definitely
@@AttawayAudio like the reverb would you cut round about 10 k. , thanks
Do you apply the HPF and LPF to the FX send?
Any chance you could convert your 1/4 and 1/8 to ms for us? Sounds like you're about 67 BPM, so would that put your 1/4 delay just under 900 ms? That seems slow to me, but that may be close.
sounds like you're on the right track
can I achieve this same effect with H-DELAY from waves?
hello i wanted to know what i hear only delay or reverb + dellay? Thank you
I'm pretty sure I have the reverb on the whole time
How do You tap the delay in?
thanks for the tips :D you're awesome!!
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So more delay, less reverb? I’m always using reverb because I’m scared of that 1/8 delay you demonstrated. But what if the singer request he/she likes to hear her Ssss more? 😆 happened to me, I don’t know how to refuse 😛
make the client happy.. Reverb is my main course, delay is the extra on top
play with a loud band any advice?
get a vocal mic that has a lot of rejection... audix om5 is a good starting place. Get all up on it so there's less bleed.
@@AttawayAudio in your personal experience what mic has the best rejection? Not like from research on line but personal experience
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My church has granite floor, big smooth walls and windows! It's nothing compared with yours acoustically. So you can imagine that it's more like a cathedral hahaha. But I'd like more time to test effects.
Yeah effects in live sound is augmenting what's already there. If you don't need to add anything, DON'T! Thanks for the comment Matheus!
I've been working on adding reverb and delay, but I'm uncertain how to use them together. I get that you added the delay back to the reverb to smooth it, but how much vocal are you sending to the reverb alone verses to the delay? Do you regularly use both?
I do use both. I'll typically have my reverb return around -12 and my delay return around -18 unless I want to emphasize it more. Then anything is possible 😃😃😃
Very cool
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Do you use 1/4 triplet?
Not really. I do use dotted 1/8 or dotted 1/16 against a straight 1/4 or 1/8th if I’m wanting something more syncopated
I love the series so far, but the removing the highs out so sharply makes some of the words more difficult to understand and it removes intended emotion and expression from the vocalist. Dessers and eq'ing these frequencies out should be used sparingly and not holistically. Just my 2 cents.
I often hear sound engineers focusing so much on that topic because it is a topic, they don't fully understand How, When and How Much to remove. It's a very fine line just like proper effects in general.
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I'll put it on the list! Thanks Shyam!
the song name？
"For I Was Far" by Anna Blanc
If only the acoustics in the space I mix in would support more FX polish.
I feel your pain. There are some rooms I mix in where I only add reverb or delay if it's a ballad that really needs a long hall. Otherwise it just gets messy.
just enough delay to add depth to vocal while keeping it subtle
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