I hate that all car companies are ending sedans. I just bought a 2024 Infiniti Q50 Sport 400 and Infinti just announced that this was the last year for the Q50 and now they no longer make sedans. Not all of us want SUVs!!!! I understand discontinueing if there are plans to transform current sedan models to hybrids or electric but makes no sense to make all cars SUVs! Come on car companies, give us some options and stop following each other.
In agree! I like SUV's & pick up trucks too but I love cars! I can get SUV anytime. There are plenty of options for those out there. We have four Acura's in our stables, all cars. Only the latest is turbocharged. I'm hoping the Toyota Camry stays around.
What generation of RDX engine are you calling terrible? Pre 2019 RDX's with the 3.5 V6 was very reliable as is the current 2.0 turbo however fuel mileage of the 2019+ RDX's are definitely not great. My 2021 RDX ASpec SH-AWD had no mechanical issues. Averaged 10-12 litres per 100kms here Canada (19-24mpg) with 80% of my daily driving being highway. Owned a 2018 TLX ASpec 3.5 V6 SH-AWD prior to the RDX which was very reliable and much more fuel efficient than the RDX.. easily got between 21-30mpg.
Funny enough, Acura just gave the RDX a secondary refresh. If they were going to extend the life cycle of the RDX, they may as well just added the turbo V6 to the car's trim level. I just hope they don't plan on milking the CUV's life cycle like Mazda is with the CX-5 for 10 years and what Toyota did with its pickup trucks and SUVs of their last generation for almost 15 years and what Dodge did with the LX platform Charger and Challenger twins for that same lengthy amount of time.
That's the exact reason I bought mine. I don't know when we'll once again see a Double Wishbone Suspension set up on a vehicle at this low of a price. They got rid of it with the 1st generation TLX and also, with the RSX, the Integra's original replacement. (If you don't know or understand the double A-Arm suspension, look it up. It's design, of which is very sophisticated, is used on Formula One and IndyCar race cars.)
It hurts as a young person because by the time i can afford actually cool sedans they wont be produced anymore. There's always the used market, i guess...
I don't know why people obsess over the non-touch screen. Once you get used to it, I think it's superior. It's far easier to use in a real world situation while driving: It requires less driver attention because you can have muscle memory for many functions, it "keeps state" if you get interrupted, you don't have phantom input if you hit a bump while using it, you don't get fingerprints on your screen. I understand if it's not your vehicle how it is awkward at first ( I particularly don't like how the scroll buttons are reversed from the way I think of scroll buttons ), but once you understand it, it's smooth. ( I do get it though that you can't fight world wide trends... if everyone wants a touch screen they should probably just do it )
Big mistake. 1st , its an underrated car and what else are they going ot sell? integra only car? BMW sells 6 base sedans, Mercdes 7 sedans including the e class wagon. Lexus even sells 3 sedans.
Glad I got my 2025 a week ago!!! Car is awesome!!! I tried getting a 2024 in June, but nothing was available. Had to wait until now to get a 2025. The plant is only scheduled to build 30 TLX a month with all the changes going on @ the plant.
They should have just updated the RLX sport hybrid engine for the type s and introduce a plug-in hybrid version. There is nothing hybrid sedans in the market. This would have really made the TLX stand out.
Yep, and it should’ve come with SH-AWD standard and a modern entertainment touch screen interface. Probably would’ve helped to make it sportier and call it Legend, which was sold as in other parts of the world.
A key sign of a brand in trouble is when they demonstrate they can’t compete with their competitors within the market in which they sell their vehicles and have to switch to an “all-this” sales strategy like Infiniti & Lincoln. When it was the TL, it was one of the best selling luxury sport sedans in its segment for many years. Lexus, BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz…they all still seem to do very well with making a large selection of SUVs placed at every conceivable price point and size, as well as multiple sedans and coupes that do well, too. First the Vigor, Legend, CL, TL, RL, TSX, ILX, RSX, RLX, NSX… not everyone wants a SUV.
@@chezzyperson3339 as of their US website 9-4-2024 @ 7:53 PM CST Audi lists as available for sale the 2024 A5, S5, & RS5. They're all sold and listed as coupes with 2 doors.
@@chezzyperson3339Hey, I checked and the A5-series are still available at least here the US/NA market. Their website shows their lineup still consists of A5, S5, & RS5.
Not going to lie broke my heart to hear they might be killing off the TLX. That’s my favorite car in the line up.. and by far the best looking car ever !!
They made the mistake of making a FWD car with a RWD cars proportions. It’s larger than a Civic but has less rear legroom. This could’ve maybe been forgiven if it was a RWD platform but it isn’t.
I really love this car, and I'd almost consider buying one, but it is a tough proposition. Expensive, heavy, not as fast as competitors, and not as spacious as even a Civic. Great car, but it's up against a lot of other great options.
TLX was a hard buy back with the last gen Accord 2.0t engines before those got axed by Honda just watch all the drag races between the two cousins. Now that the Accord is mostly hybrid, TLX is still struggling to take those who wants the detuned type r engine plus their shawd. It also became too expensive now that even their base Tech TLX is now selling at $47K when you can buy their cheapest base shawd at or under $40K couple years back. Yes, inflation and all but this makes it a really hard car to sell when you have better choices out there with price almost at Lexus and german brands. I had the 2021 Tech package Shawd TLX and it is a good driving car, smaller leg room in the back seats and really heavy for it’s size but it is damn sexy and pretty that it gets attention and compliments from everyone who sees it. I now drive a 2024 WRX TR which is far from luxury but gets me some manual loving fun🎉😂
I've been a car enthusiast all my life and I purchased a slightly used '21 TLX Type-S a year ago and absolutely love it. It has plenty of power for any sort of driving on our public roads. It handles wonderfully and 95% of the time I don't need a bigger back seat. I also don't see myself coming or going, so I enjoy the exclusivity. I wonder how many people commenting have actually driven and lived with one of these gorgeous cars or are just writing out of ignorance? Yes, I wish Acura didn't have the production issues and it's unfortunate that they seem to be letting this model slip away. It is the most powerful sport sedan Acura has ever made and the nice thing about it, the thing is so stinking reliable and easily serviceable (check out Scotty Kilmer's video), and more than likely will achieve a much lower TCO than its German competitors, that I hope I can keep it for many, many years to come.
100% agreed! So far, this is the best reply I've read on this subject today. I have a 2024 TLX A-SPEC and a 2019 A-SPEC SH-AWD, so I know what You're talking about!
I have been trying to buy a Type S for 6 months. Absolutely no inventory, or cars showing in inventory are already sold. I was finally able to get my dealer to confirm they had one on order for me. The whole process has been going on since April.
I had the same issue trying to locate a type s for months. I have since moved on. Probably going to order an m340i or an m2. You can't sell what you're aren't willing to produce. It's sad because the type s is a damn good looking sedan.
@@blb128 fortunately, I was able to get one allocated. I looked at the BMW as well, but could not justify to my spouse on spending the additional money for what she called name only.
The issue I think is trying to field a FWD based platform in this segment as a performance sedan. Lexus can get away with the ES because there is no pretense to athleticism as it is just a big boulevardier for golfing retirees like the old Caddy XTS or Buick Lacrosse. Had Acura followed Genesis and developed a RWD based platform I believed it would have had a much better following with the brand recognition Acura had vs Genesis.
@@timgt5 The TLX-S is dynamically a better car overall than the Genesis. What good did RWD do for Genesis when it couldn't beat a lower powered, heavier TLX on a road course?
Why does Acura get the criticism about FWD or sharing parts/platforms with Honda, and for not selling RWD cars when Audi does the same thing? They share parts with VW, offer FWD models and optional AWD, and are not wholly RWD based. Same with Volvo.
Been an Acura driver for 25+ years. Their choice to completely ignore Hybrid & PHEV tech cost them huge market share. Still love my modded, mint 2013 TL 3.7L SHawd and never considered TLX as a viable upgrade.
I love the look of the current TLX but it just doesn't seem to exploit what Acura could do.. How about a performance hybrid and a cabin bigger than a Civic inside. Another reader mentioned putting in the RLX Hybrid powertrain. That's a great idea. Performance combined with more efficiency.
Too big outside, too small inside. Front end is too long. I’m sure they want MB or BMW money for a (?) unknown acronym name (?) fancy Honda. I don’t know anyone who drives an Acura. The ones I knew who did now have Lexus.
It's a great car. They just want to much for it. Acura used to be the value option when compared to the Germans. Now they are priced the same, and lessors have less incentive to get the japanese option
It's significantly cheaper than the BMW M340i or M3, which seems to me to be is the target car segment they were going after. ( basically trying to wedge in-between the two specs ) though obviously they fail in the power/weight ratio and rear seat size, but I would say they meet or beat the car in most other areas... especially price.
@MurderMostFowl I'm talking about the TLX . Not the type s, which is essentially a top trim. Main competitors would be 3 series ( not m3) , c class , Q50, A4, etc. M3 buyers aren't cross shopping with a TLX or any of those luxury sedans. As an M3 is it's own model based on a 3 but not a 3 . Hopefully you get what I mean
I couldn’t see the top of the one chart, but it looks like they sold more accords in a month than all of the Acura products. Either Acura has to do a major overhaul or close down shop. The only thing Acura had going for it was SH-AWD and that’s done trickled down through half of the Honda line up. Honda should just give every model the option of iVTM4 and set itself apart from other manufacturers.
@@virgilwyatt4632 the Pilot, Passport, and Ridgeline have SH-AWD. It’s just called iVTM4. The CR-V and HR-V have just plain AWD. I wish they did AWD on Accord, Odyssey, and Civic.
@@xzimxzim Okay, they do. But again, if those vehicles you cite that you wished had all wheel drive had it, then there would be no need for the Acura line, of which was specifically created and launched in 1986. It was Honda's desire to penetrate the North American mid size and maybe their large car market. It was not known how this new to the market size with the Legend, would do here under the Honda nameplate but it was suspected by Honda officials, the larger cars and upscale vehicles that the nameplate would not be accepted. So a new brand was launched under the newly created name "Acura." Just like General Motor had been attempting to separate the Chevrolet Truck brand from the GMC Truck brand, Honda did the same with Acura. Generally, GMC Trucks cost more than Chevy Trucks but generally come with more amenities standard, which means that if the consumer wants to control cost overruns due to budget and/or need, then Chevy Truck was the much better choice. If cost was less of a concern then the GMC can be the optional selected choice, and definitely my choice. Plymouth was the entry level choice fro Chrysler and Dodge, during the same period, was the more expensive. But make no mistake it: Chevrolet and Plymouth, the entry level divisions for their respective manufactures, were no slouches when it came to performances. Buick & Oldsmobile would constantly duke it out because they both served as mom & pop nameplates. When General Motors phased out Oldsmobile, it was because it completed too closely with Buick and Buick was a big name brand in China. Pontiac was phased out because it completed to close with Chevrolet in performance but cost more because they did provide more amenities. They had ascended to the higher level of premium performance. And they didn't have the Big Joker: The Chevrolet Corvette. General Motors wanted Cadillac to compete on a global level. They continually do so by competing with just about any big dog European and Asian manufacture. They are heavily involved in auto racing and it is rumored they may be entering the NASCAR circuit. All of the Chrysler & General Motors changes came about when the U.S. Government bailed them out of their filings for bankruptcy. They had to restructure in order to receive the bail out. Ford never filed for bankruptcy during the period; instead opting to fix their problem themselves. They dropped the Mercury brand. The Ford Motor Division of the Ford Motor Company began offering slightly upscale Fords to fill the loss of Mercury. All of this is said for this reason: It's all about marketing. If Honda of North American made the accessary of all wheel drive, then Acura would struggle even more to continue to exist. Also, the Integra being all drive would undercut the TLX. The idea is to give the Acura buyer an entry level to the brand and then continue to keep you in the brand by continuing to bring you through it as you age with it and hopefully, your income grows to afford the higher model within the lineup. All manufactures do this. Another example of this is Volkswagen to Audi with the option of adding Porsche. The consumer may not understand but the manufacture does. It's all about marketing. It's a balancing act. It's the stockholders that have the right away on the game board. Strategic moves have to made in order to keep the brand afloat, even if it is not as good as the previous model. And by the way, the 2nd Gen TLX has driver adjustable suspension dampening. The Accord does not. The vehicle would leave its design parameters and step into a higher level of competition. The consumer is always the pawn. But as the saying goes, if you build it, they will SUCCUMB. The consumer will buy out of the desire to have their own personnel transportation. That is where Acura, Cadillac, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti, and Lincoln come in. I kinda don't want to include Mercedes-Benz in this because they have had to offer lesser cost vehicles to offset the cost of their premium models and to help them with their CAFE standards. But their Maybach Division, when it was created, was meant to compete with Bentley and Rolls-Royce. We have choices. We just may not like the full choice of what is available...
I love the TLX. But, with it being heavy, no touch screen, no pano roof and Acura’s refusal to have their Type-S models with over 355 horsepower doesn’t appeal to a lot of performance oriented buyers.
The TLX doesn't need to go to the discontinuation heavens. It just needs a +600lb diet. Seriously. For a car that weighs just as much as a CT5-V Blackwing and only has a single scroll turbo and not a twin turbo setup to make up for the power to weight ratio, that's where they're hurting at. You can change the infotainment setup, add a new exterior color, and new wheels all you want, but if you can't cut down on the curb weight of the car to make it a better performance car, then that $60,000 for a TLX Type S or whatever the price is could be spent on a CT4-V Blackwing with 112hp more and 90lb-ft of tq. Sure, those two cars are two different class sizes, but for what you're getting out of the 4-V BW: lighter weight, extra performance, and an overall better driver's car, why would sell yourself short of over a 100hp and almost 100lb-ft of tq?
Since 1997 they refuse to meet the performance demands of the market. Back then everyone wanted a rwd V8 and Honda never gave us one and look how Lexus and the Germans left them behind. The they finally get woth the times offering a 3.0T and they give us 355hp and front biased awd. They have missed the mark with every model NSX, TLX, etc. We are in the HP era and the give us a HALO car with less that 600hp and a preformance sedan with less than 400 hp. They are just stubborn at this point
Yeah, a manual transmission swap would have probably done that. ( not that they would ever do that, though I'm guessing Integra sales may make them second guess that decision )
I hate that Acura killed the RLX in the USA, and if you’re right Kirk, then the TLX will follow. Should I give the Lexus ES a 2nd look or will that get killed off, too?
SAY IT AGAIN, DUDE you’re so spot on I have been saying this for decades!!! One of the downfalls with Infiniti was transitioning to their terrible naming strategy. I know they said at the time when Infiniti did it it was to make it easier to market the same vehicle in different international markets under the same name as they were trying to expand into markets they had previously not sold Infinitis at. Either way, I think it didn’t help overall… With Acura, I think they must’ve done some market research that probably suggested that people took luxury cars more seriously when they had names that were combinations of alpha numeric characters like Mercedes, Lexus, Audi, BMW. But instead of throwing away all the recognition and standing out, they should’ve KEPT those names. Now look at them. About to turn into the next Infiniti by going SUV-only because they can’t compete, meanwhile, Lexus, BMW, Audi, Mercedes all seem to be selling plenty of sedans and a few coupes, too along with their SUV line up.
@@Striker50_ If it has "nothing to do with the name," Acura would've just come out with a 2nd Generation ILX or they'd have brought back the RSX. Instead they went with a nameplate with heritage and some value- Integra. The same could be surmised with Legend. Plus, Honda is bringing back the Prelude. They could've easily just made a Civic coupe again or an Accord coupe, instead…it appears to have SOMEthing to do with the name and the reverence it possesses.
@@mark_edwards485 The TLX doesn't sell well because it is a foot larger than its competition while having less leg space and cargo space. It also has worse fuel economy and less power. The TLX does nothing better than the competition.
I own a 2021 TLX Aspec, apex Blue with red interior. I really like this car. It would be perfect if it had a little better gas mileage, panoramic sunroof, and a tad bit more of rear leg room. Otherwise, it's still a head turner 3 years later.
So now they are forcing SUV’s on consumers ?! I mean really ?! I don’t mind them but I’ve always loved sports cars! I think that’s what every man wants! I have my 23 TLX Type S and is it the fastest car in the segment? Nope! But it’s really fun and great overall.
Acura needs to go back to basic design. The Front dash-to-axle ratio. That is Way too Long for a Front Wheel Drive layout and increases the turning radius while greatly reducing the interior space. It doesn't work for navigating large city traffic. Sedans are a lame design. TLX Should have been offered as a proper AWD Hatchback and also as an AWD Wagon with much Smaller Front dash-to-axle ratio.
Acura needs to go back to basic design. They actually Boasted about Increasing the Front dash-to-axle ratio. That is Way too Long and increases the turning radius while greatly reducing the interior space. It doesn't work for navigating large city traffic. Sedans are a lame design. It Should have been offered as a proper AWD Hatchback and also as an AWD Wagon.
@@enmass90, how does that solve the problem of driving the car away from home like most people do to go on vacation? You still need infrastructure or are these all commuter vehicles only driven from home to work?
@@sachemrock there are plenty of chargers all over the place… especially in tourist areas, and especially now that the entire industry is moving to the NACS standard and is able to use Tesla’s charging network. To your other point about commuter cars… yes. People who can afford luxury cars can afford multiple vehicles in their household. I personally own both an EV and an ICE vehicle. My EV is used for 90% of my commuting tasks and my ICE is an SUV for camping trips in overlanding trails. But any time I go to tourist areas on vacation I take the EV.
@@sachemrockyep EVs will never go mainstream until you can pull up to a gas station and charge your ev in 5 minutes. Not happening maybe in 10 years when there is real infrastructure by then there could also be other alternative fuels
The TLX is claustrophobic inside. I think it’s not just lack of interior space by the numbers but that dumb center console needs to shrink. It’s a biggish car with a small interior and there are better choices for the same money. That said, I like it.
& they called me A mad man for buying one these tlx's look beautiful & perform very great i get compliments from random people all the time now that it may discontinue or become A shell of itself these will go up in vaule someday.
I think you hit the nail onthe head - the TLX debuted as a bloated, marginally performing car that was cheaper than the competition but offered a lot less. The original TL Type S did the opposite. It offered the same or in some cases, better performance than the competition at a much lower price.
I don't care if the Integra is roomier the TLX, there is no way, NOOO WAY I'D buy one over a TLX. I once owned a 1996 Integra LS SE Hatchback equipped with a 5 speed manual transmission. The car was a lots of fun to drive. But replacing it with a new 2003 CL Type S equipped with a 6 speed manual (it's still my daily driver) was a great decision! I did miss the Integra's ability to transport my bicycle to an area so that I could ride it in a park but other than that, it was a good grown up decision. Why? The CL has more leg room and is more grown up! I'm 62 years old & 6'-1" I need the room! I have a 2019 TLX A-SPEC SH-AWD and back in June, purchased a 2024 TLX A-SPEC SH-AWD. The Type-S was too hard to get, so I settled on the one and only new TLX on the lot. I don't like the 2025: they removed the finger mouse control pad and replaced it with another cubby hole. The center console LED is now a touch screen; something that will have finger prints on it all over it. So I'm happy with my 2024. I sensed that Acura may want to kill the TLX gas powered car and switch it to electric. If we are going to get close to seeing that gorgeous prototype that was made for the second generation TLX, the electric model, if it ever hits production, will probably look more like THAT prototype.
When the new TLX-S was announced, I followed it closely as I was itching to trade in my 2018 Q50RS (the most meh car in its segment) and the Type S was on my short list. But when I saw it in person and learned the spec's, I crossed it off my list with a sigh of disappointment. It wasn't so much the down-on-power 3.0t as it was the packaging and the curb weight. The long hood and short rear deck promise RWD performance bias, but this is a FWD chassis with a transverse V6 and it still hangs far too much weight over the front axle. The long hood is just for aesthetics, sadly. The back seat isn't roomy enough for a sedan. And that 2.1 ton curb weight...it's the heaviest and consequiently, thirstiest car in its class. The giant quad exhaust tips are also more of an aesthetic, and look like a joke considering the relatively low performance on tap. Looks are subjective, and I know most people seem to think it's a great looking car. But to my eyes, it looks far too contrived...but that may be because I know it's writing checks it can't cash with M3 looks but 330i performance. I think most people who shop for cars like this are at least somewhat educated on how the various offerings stack up, and likely arrive at the same conclusion I did, which is that it doesn't measure up compared to the competition. It's sad that Acura are discontinuing their lone midsize "performance" sedan, but not as sad as the fact that they missed the target so badly in the first place.
Abysmal MPG, can't use the full back seat with the rear seats down with the X brace in the way. The TLX Type S doesn't make a whole lot of sense other than it's beautiful exterior, exhaust note, sound system and handling.
@@chicagomike9778, why is everyone just focusing on the Type S? If the TLX is going away then so is the non type S sedan which has much better packaging dimensions than the Type S which is on a different platform.
@@sachemrock cause every lame youtuber and acura keeps trying to promote the type s when it sucks. There is no reviews hardly on the fwd models which are the core sellers. Acura tries to fake it, youtubers try to help fake it but consumers are not that dumb
@@sachemrock No, same exact platform used on TLX and Type-S, hence the name TLX Type-S. The differences are not in the packaging; the engine, exhaust, suspension, seats, side skirts, etc set it apart. Packaging in terms of usable space, are virtually identical other than the brace in the rear seatback making the trunk less usable. I don't know about elsewhere in the world but where I live (UT) neither car sells in big numbers. You rarely see one on the road. It seems the people have spoken.
@@chicagomike9778 I like the look from some angles. I dislike the rear end though. The tail lights are shaped like gourds, summer squash comes to mind.
I think the pricing has a lot to do with sales, and you now pay more for less . I owned Honda products since 1991 to 2021, since prices raised to almost match competitors it makes sense to go elsewhere.
do you think the price for used 24-25 type s will drop anytime soon? for some reason dealers are insane charging 58-59k for a USED 24 type s with a few thousand miles, when msrp is 58,795$
I love my RDX advanced. It is a great driving fun car with great reliability. It drives better than any hybrid. It is very comfortable with great seats and controls that make sense. The touchpad is a none issue if you use CarPlay. It could get better gas mileage and I was able to get over 30mpg on highway recently. It’s a great little suv. If you want more power get a bmw x3m40. You will pay a lot more. I drove pretty much everything out there. All fulll hybrids drive terrible. CRV was the best but still sluggish with awful seats. CX5 was pretty good with base engine but turbo was unrefined and once again seats were cardboard. If a 6.2 - 6.7 0-60 is too slow buy something else. Lexus hybrids drive like your grandmas car. The RDX is great suv to keep long term. I drove model 3 and I liked it better than any hybrid. Its controls were stupid and you have to use the stupid screen to open your glove box? To turn car on. No sunroof? No shade for glass top? Air conditioning was very weak and I wasn’t sure it would keep car cool on hot day. I would get an RDX over a Tesla or hybrid every time.
One of my friends used to own a 2007 Acura TSX. He loves his TSX so much and always said he would definitely buy another Acura, maybe an SUV or sedan. So, back in 2021, when he saw the all-new 2021 TLX come out. He was so excited about it and went for a test drive. Then I told him, Let's check out Lexus since these two dealerships are just right next to each other. We tested the ES350, and he was very close to buying the ES. However, BA DA BING BA DA BOOM, next thing we know, we drove a 2021 RX350 F-Sport out of the Lexus dealer. And have never talked about Acura ever again.
The TLX competes with the 3 series, A4, and C-Class. However, its exterior is the size of a 5 series, and it is heavier than a 5 series. I think people don’t know how/where to place/categorize this vehicle, which makes it confusing for buyers.
I did my part to support sedans….2024 Type S in Tiger eye. I had to hustle to find one in this colour. Inventory was next to nothing. If you don’t have any inventory it’s hard to have great sales figures Acura.
I hope not, I have owned my TLX for just under a year. That EV concept is going to cost a ton more than the $46k I paid. Plus very limited non-Tesla options to charge in my area, part of a major DMA of 8M+ people. Acura leadership if you’re reading this, this will go down in history as one of the quickest ways to kill your brand
Not sure why these companies are going full EVs. .. seriously. Until there's rapid charging stations everywhere, EVs will never go mainstream. And infrascture is no where near ready for that
The first gen TLX was selling in decent numbers. It was more like a personal sedan with enough luxury and space serving a large demographic, with this model they made it targeting to only sort car fans, limited space, low seating and roof. expensive... not elegant but purely sporty boy racer design
8:42 Lexus killing of the LS will definitely be a sad day... but the LS did its job. it did its job decades ago: it created the Lexus brand. if anything,, it should be given a last a hurrah... a final bow... a damn VEE EIGHT!! come on Toyota. u put the 5L V8 in the Century, gave it a hybrid, but then reserved it as JDM. The LS rightly deserve that powerplant too.
I feel like car journalism has spent so much effort advertising for suvs and trucks that has not helped the case for manufacturers to keep sedans in North America. In most other places cars continue to be best sellers. Meanwhile Americans’ average car payments are just shy of $800/month. 🤢
Let me sum up the problems with the TLX. Is the base model dramatically better than the 2019 or newer Honda accord? No Is the performance version in the type S competitive in its segment? No It underwhelmed. Had Honda/Acura made better choices. We wouldn't be having this discussion.
Wish if they're killing off sedans to at least give us one mid-size wagon/sportsback to replace it. I want a Japanese hatch without the height of crossover and need something bigger than a hatchback. I hope Honda makes it happen. Meanwhile I have to settle with getting a crossover. I get jealous every time I see someone with a Volvo wagon because of the maximized utility of a hitch, roof cargo box and still tons of interior space while not being that much taller than a basic crossover with nothing on the roof so you can still fit in almost any indoor garage (if it fits a pick up truck, it can fit a sedan/wagon with a box on top). I don't want to own a Volvo though.
The TLX Type S is way too heavy at 4,221 pounds AND the Horsepower is too low! Their 3.0 should've been twin turbo pushing 420 Horsepower just like the Z NISMO
@@RonnieMorgan-fw8qjit’s the automotive press and RUclips car review channels that shat all on that finger touch panel thing they had and it works fine. Same with the dual-screen set up in the original TLX & ILX. It works intuitively and you can tell that the cars were designed with a small center console touch screen for input and the other solely for viewing BEFORE it was becoming commonplace for there to be one large iPad like touch screen in every single car.
RLX and now TLX. The RLX/MDX/NSX with the Sport Hybrid powertrain didn't sale and EV powertrains for a sedan are not selling either. Hey consumer! Buy the EV version of the TLX with +500lbs more weight, realistic range around 200 miles, +$15,000 more expensive, very unreliable EV fast charging infrastructure, it would add 1-2 extra days on a 1000 mile road-trip because of recharging, and resale value that drops like a rock.
@@rahimi4762 As a Acura fan and owner of a 94' Legend, 13' TSX Wagon, 19' RDX (wife) and hopefully a NA1 NSX soon. The performance is disappointing. When they finally announced a type s that wasn't just a badge package everyone was excited and boom they give is 355hp to push around 4200 lbs in a fwd bias car. They missed the mark....again.
Regular TLX is a boat. Type S is a fast boat. Boats are great for long highway trips. If you want sporty Integra all day, plus Integra is not that small.
Acura, before you discontinue the TLX just freshen up the styling, maybe beef up the luxury a bit...and call it the LEGEND. Just for the last year. I bet you will be pleasantly surprised. And that there will be many more 'last years'.
Acura just isn’t good. This car is all new and was all worst in most categories. It looks nice. They are going from TSX and TL to only TLX to none. Another acura failure
@@rahimi4762 tlx is slowest class, lowest mpg in class, biggest in class with smallest interior in class and heaviest in class. Its literally the worst of all worlds lol
You can't sell them if you don't produce them. I was very interested in purchasing a brand new TLX type s but can't find any in my area. I have since moved on. I will likely order a bmw m340i or an m2. Better performance anyway.
TLX simply can't compete at the moment and is heavy asf. Exterior looks and SH-AWD is simply the only selling point. M340i is simply years ahead and not much more expensive than a Type S.
Acura is heavy because it’s made right. BMW all plastic. I remember a time when German cars were congratulated for being heavy. That meant made well like a bank vault.
Besides it’s heft and small interior, I don’t like the color choices. There are some beautiful red colors out there, and none for the Type S. I have zero desire for their boring colors.
I hate that all car companies are ending sedans. I just bought a 2024 Infiniti Q50 Sport 400 and Infinti just announced that this was the last year for the Q50 and now they no longer make sedans. Not all of us want SUVs!!!! I understand discontinueing if there are plans to transform current sedan models to hybrids or electric but makes no sense to make all cars SUVs! Come on car companies, give us some options and stop following each other.
Nissan killing fm platform 😭😭😭
@@gregdavis9376 even there's no sedan selling one day, I rather call uber than drive SUV every day😒😒😒😒
@DiroPhoenixFan You might be right but I still want the freedom of having my own car
TLX to expensive to begin with lol
In agree! I like SUV's & pick up trucks too but I love cars! I can get SUV anytime. There are plenty of options for those out there. We have four Acura's in our stables, all cars. Only the latest is turbocharged. I'm hoping the Toyota Camry stays around.
It boggles my mind why there is no RDX Type S still!
This year’s RDX is a disappointment because most of us were expecting a “mini MDX” but got nothing.
They would sell 10 of them. That engine is terrible. They need a hybrid.
What generation of RDX engine are you calling terrible? Pre 2019 RDX's with the 3.5 V6 was very reliable as is the current 2.0 turbo however fuel mileage of the 2019+ RDX's are definitely not great. My 2021 RDX ASpec SH-AWD had no mechanical issues. Averaged 10-12 litres per 100kms here Canada (19-24mpg) with 80% of my daily driving being highway. Owned a 2018 TLX ASpec 3.5 V6 SH-AWD prior to the RDX which was very reliable and much more fuel efficient than the RDX.. easily got between 21-30mpg.
Funny enough, Acura just gave the RDX a secondary refresh. If they were going to extend the life cycle of the RDX, they may as well just added the turbo V6 to the car's trim level.
I just hope they don't plan on milking the CUV's life cycle like Mazda is with the CX-5 for 10 years and what Toyota did with its pickup trucks and SUVs of their last generation for almost 15 years and what Dodge did with the LX platform Charger and Challenger twins for that same lengthy amount of time.
EXACTLY!!! No RDX Type S......Why?
We are in the "Get them while you can" part of the transition.
Too true
Yep :( good time to get one for cheap
I truly hope small crossovers don’t go extinct for large SUV’s next
That's the exact reason I bought mine. I don't know when we'll once again see a Double Wishbone Suspension set up on a vehicle at this low of a price. They got rid of it with the 1st generation TLX and also, with the RSX, the Integra's original replacement. (If you don't know or understand the double A-Arm suspension, look it up. It's design, of which is very sophisticated, is used on Formula One and IndyCar race cars.)
It hurts as a young person because by the time i can afford actually cool sedans they wont be produced anymore. There's always the used market, i guess...
I don't know why people obsess over the non-touch screen. Once you get used to it, I think it's superior. It's far easier to use in a real world situation while driving: It requires less driver attention because you can have muscle memory for many functions, it "keeps state" if you get interrupted, you don't have phantom input if you hit a bump while using it, you don't get fingerprints on your screen. I understand if it's not your vehicle how it is awkward at first ( I particularly don't like how the scroll buttons are reversed from the way I think of scroll buttons ), but once you understand it, it's smooth.
( I do get it though that you can't fight world wide trends... if everyone wants a touch screen they should probably just do it )
Yeh it isn’t a big deal.
No.
@@gordonschiff3621it is
I have a 23 tlx type s it's fast enough for me . I don't need a rocket for a car.
Type S is a rocket for most unless you drive nascar
You're missing all the cool tech, like digital gauges and much more. You dont even have 360 view. Its already outdated. 24 and 25 are way better.
Ive been considering getting one. Any issues with it?
Big mistake. 1st , its an underrated car and what else are they going ot sell? integra only car? BMW sells 6 base sedans, Mercdes 7 sedans including the e class wagon. Lexus even sells 3 sedans.
No way they are following Lincoln and Infiniti
acura is barely a brand. only 4 vehicles and the gm rebadge. very small.
Just like running restaurant business, THE FEWER ITEMS on your menu, THE MORE PROFIT you earn.
@@Simon-kz4dv honda profitable not acura
On top of the Integra isn’t really true luxury. It shares a ton of parts with the Civic
Glad I got my 2025 a week ago!!! Car is awesome!!! I tried getting a 2024 in June, but nothing was available. Had to wait until now to get a 2025. The plant is only scheduled to build 30 TLX a month with all the changes going on @ the plant.
Same here, got the first ’25 TLX A-Spec on Oahu. Love it! I gave up on finding a Type S😢
They should have just updated the RLX sport hybrid engine for the type s and introduce a plug-in hybrid version. There is nothing hybrid sedans in the market. This would have really made the TLX stand out.
Agreed. I would buy a PHEV Acura RLX.
I am far from a vehicle engineer, but Acura had a hard enough time managing space in the TLX without a PHEV.
Yep, and it should’ve come with SH-AWD standard and a modern entertainment touch screen interface. Probably would’ve helped to make it sportier and call it Legend, which was sold as in other parts of the world.
A key sign of a brand in trouble is when they demonstrate they can’t compete with their competitors within the market in which they sell their vehicles and have to switch to an “all-this” sales strategy like Infiniti & Lincoln.
When it was the TL, it was one of the best selling luxury sport sedans in its segment for many years.
Lexus, BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz…they all still seem to do very well with making a large selection of SUVs placed at every conceivable price point and size, as well as multiple sedans and coupes that do well, too.
First the Vigor, Legend, CL, TL, RL, TSX, ILX, RSX, RLX, NSX… not everyone wants a SUV.
@@mark_edwards485 Audi ain’t making anymore coupes
@@chezzyperson3339 as of their US website 9-4-2024 @ 7:53 PM CST Audi lists as available for sale the 2024 A5, S5, & RS5. They're all sold and listed as coupes with 2 doors.
@@chezzyperson3339Hey, I checked and the A5-series are still available at least here the US/NA market. Their website shows their lineup still consists of A5, S5, & RS5.
Acura had everything to make the TLX Type S great. They made a 4,221 pound, cute but f@tty. The 340i is almost 400lbs lighter with more power...
@@KC-lg8qfwho cares
Just do a Ktune, Honda undertones them.
And yet somehow, the TLX Type S beat the M340i's lap time at MotorTrend.
@@TheBreakfastLover and yet that’s one time and the tlx will be discontinued for being another acura failure
@@user1989fopfrs7 did you read the actual source article? Nowhere did it say the TLX is being discontinued.
Not going to lie broke my heart to hear they might be killing off the TLX. That’s my favorite car in the line up.. and by far the best looking car ever !!
By far the best looking car ever?? I want what you're smoking
@@porfiriato84 and I want the pills your swallowing to figure out what car you think looks better then this??
They made the mistake of making a FWD car with a RWD cars proportions. It’s larger than a Civic but has less rear legroom. This could’ve maybe been forgiven if it was a RWD platform but it isn’t.
Have you seen Acuras or Honda business model? It is almost never rwd but awd or fwd. AWD would be cool
I really love this car, and I'd almost consider buying one, but it is a tough proposition. Expensive, heavy, not as fast as competitors, and not as spacious as even a Civic. Great car, but it's up against a lot of other great options.
TLX was a hard buy back with the last gen Accord 2.0t engines before those got axed by Honda just watch all the drag races between the two cousins. Now that the Accord is mostly hybrid, TLX is still struggling to take those who wants the detuned type r engine plus their shawd. It also became too expensive now that even their base Tech TLX is now selling at $47K when you can buy their cheapest base shawd at or under $40K couple years back. Yes, inflation and all but this makes it a really hard car to sell when you have better choices out there with price almost at Lexus and german brands. I had the 2021 Tech package Shawd TLX and it is a good driving car, smaller leg room in the back seats and really heavy for it’s size but it is damn sexy and pretty that it gets attention and compliments from everyone who sees it. I now drive a 2024 WRX TR which is far from luxury but gets me some manual loving fun🎉😂
On the bright side , used one with low miles are cheap .
I've been a car enthusiast all my life and I purchased a slightly used '21 TLX Type-S a year ago and absolutely love it. It has plenty of power for any sort of driving on our public roads. It handles wonderfully and 95% of the time I don't need a bigger back seat. I also don't see myself coming or going, so I enjoy the exclusivity. I wonder how many people commenting have actually driven and lived with one of these gorgeous cars or are just writing out of ignorance? Yes, I wish Acura didn't have the production issues and it's unfortunate that they seem to be letting this model slip away. It is the most powerful sport sedan Acura has ever made and the nice thing about it, the thing is so stinking reliable and easily serviceable (check out Scotty Kilmer's video), and more than likely will achieve a much lower TCO than its German competitors, that I hope I can keep it for many, many years to come.
I have a 2023 TLX Tech. Love it and had it for a year now. Didn’t cancel it just keep it in production. Not everybody wants or needs an SUV.
100% agreed! So far, this is the best reply I've read on this subject today. I have a 2024 TLX A-SPEC and a 2019 A-SPEC SH-AWD, so I know what You're talking about!
I have been trying to buy a Type S for 6 months. Absolutely no inventory, or cars showing in inventory are already sold. I was finally able to get my dealer to confirm they had one on order for me. The whole process has been going on since April.
I have noticed Hendrick acura hasn't had much TLX stock for months.
I had the same issue trying to locate a type s for months. I have since moved on. Probably going to order an m340i or an m2. You can't sell what you're aren't willing to produce. It's sad because the type s is a damn good looking sedan.
Same with the A-Spec....
Yeah, I got the same thing last year.
@@blb128 fortunately, I was able to get one allocated. I looked at the BMW as well, but could not justify to my spouse on spending the additional money for what she called name only.
The issue I think is trying to field a FWD based platform in this segment as a performance sedan. Lexus can get away with the ES because there is no pretense to athleticism as it is just a big boulevardier for golfing retirees like the old Caddy XTS or Buick Lacrosse. Had Acura followed Genesis and developed a RWD based platform I believed it would have had a much better following with the brand recognition Acura had vs Genesis.
@@timgt5 The TLX-S is dynamically a better car overall than the Genesis. What good did RWD do for Genesis when it couldn't beat a lower powered, heavier TLX on a road course?
Why does Acura get the criticism about FWD or sharing parts/platforms with Honda, and for not selling RWD cars when Audi does the same thing? They share parts with VW, offer FWD models and optional AWD, and are not wholly RWD based. Same with Volvo.
@@mark_edwards485 because people want to complain about something based on their ignorance.
Been an Acura driver for 25+ years. Their choice to completely ignore Hybrid & PHEV tech cost them huge market share. Still love my modded, mint 2013 TL 3.7L SHawd and never considered TLX as a viable upgrade.
I love the look of the current TLX but it just doesn't seem to exploit what Acura could do.. How about a performance hybrid and a cabin bigger than a Civic inside. Another reader mentioned putting in the RLX Hybrid powertrain. That's a great idea. Performance combined with more efficiency.
Too big outside, too small inside. Front end is too long. I’m sure they want MB or BMW money for a (?) unknown acronym name (?) fancy Honda. I don’t know anyone who drives an Acura. The ones I knew who did now have Lexus.
What does Acura expect when they hardly made any significant updates?
Agreed, they need a new ceo and overhaul.
Agreed. That infotainment system is trash. The exterior design refresh was nice but the interior is outdated for today's market.
It's a great car. They just want to much for it. Acura used to be the value option when compared to the Germans. Now they are priced the same, and lessors have less incentive to get the japanese option
It's significantly cheaper than the BMW M340i or M3, which seems to me to be is the target car segment they were going after. ( basically trying to wedge in-between the two specs ) though obviously they fail in the power/weight ratio and rear seat size, but I would say they meet or beat the car in most other areas... especially price.
@MurderMostFowl I'm talking about the TLX . Not the type s, which is essentially a top trim. Main competitors would be 3 series ( not m3) , c class , Q50, A4, etc. M3 buyers aren't cross shopping with a TLX or any of those luxury sedans. As an M3 is it's own model based on a 3 but not a 3 . Hopefully you get what I mean
@@anthonygianfrancesco6548I wouldn't buy BMW or a European var, they aren't reliable, bottom line.
It is a value brand especially if you buy their used models that are far more reliable than the German used
I couldn’t see the top of the one chart, but it looks like they sold more accords in a month than all of the Acura products. Either Acura has to do a major overhaul or close down shop. The only thing Acura had going for it was SH-AWD and that’s done trickled down through half of the Honda line up. Honda should just give every model the option of iVTM4 and set itself apart from other manufacturers.
According to top selling car. Acura does fine with 4 models. They need to double
The Honda lineup has all all wheel drive availability, but not SH-AWD, of which is tonque vectoring- a.w.d. A big difference.
@@virgilwyatt4632 the Pilot, Passport, and Ridgeline have SH-AWD. It’s just called iVTM4. The CR-V and HR-V have just plain AWD. I wish they did AWD on Accord, Odyssey, and Civic.
@@xzimxzim Okay, they do. But again, if those vehicles you cite that you wished had all wheel drive had it, then there would be no need for the Acura line, of which was specifically created and launched in 1986. It was Honda's desire to penetrate the North American mid size and maybe their large car market. It was not known how this new to the market size with the Legend, would do here under the Honda nameplate but it was suspected by Honda officials, the larger cars and upscale vehicles that the nameplate would not be accepted. So a new brand was launched under the newly created name "Acura."
Just like General Motor had been attempting to separate the Chevrolet Truck brand from the GMC Truck brand, Honda did the same with Acura. Generally, GMC Trucks cost more than Chevy Trucks but generally come with more amenities standard, which means that if the consumer wants to control cost overruns due to budget and/or need, then Chevy Truck was the much better choice. If cost was less of a concern then the GMC can be the optional selected choice, and definitely my choice. Plymouth was the entry level choice fro Chrysler and Dodge, during the same period, was the more expensive. But make no mistake it: Chevrolet and Plymouth, the entry level divisions for their respective manufactures, were no slouches when it came to performances. Buick & Oldsmobile would constantly duke it out because they both served as mom & pop nameplates. When General Motors phased out Oldsmobile, it was because it completed too closely with Buick and Buick was a big name brand in China. Pontiac was phased out because it completed to close with Chevrolet in performance but cost more because they did provide more amenities. They had ascended to the higher level of premium performance. And they didn't have the Big Joker: The Chevrolet Corvette. General Motors wanted Cadillac to compete on a global level. They continually do so by competing with just about any big dog European and Asian manufacture. They are heavily involved in auto racing and it is rumored they may be entering the NASCAR circuit. All of the Chrysler & General Motors changes came about when the U.S. Government bailed them out of their filings for bankruptcy. They had to restructure in order to receive the bail out. Ford never filed for bankruptcy during the period; instead opting to fix their problem themselves. They dropped the Mercury brand. The Ford Motor Division of the Ford Motor Company began offering slightly upscale Fords to fill the loss of Mercury.
All of this is said for this reason: It's all about marketing. If Honda of North American made the accessary of all wheel drive, then Acura would struggle even more to continue to exist. Also, the Integra being all drive would undercut the TLX. The idea is to give the Acura buyer an entry level to the brand and then continue to keep you in the brand by continuing to bring you through it as you age with it and hopefully, your income grows to afford the higher model within the lineup. All manufactures do this. Another example of this is Volkswagen to Audi with the option of adding Porsche.
The consumer may not understand but the manufacture does. It's all about marketing. It's a balancing act. It's the stockholders that have the right away on the game board. Strategic moves have to made in order to keep the brand afloat, even if it is not as good as the previous model. And by the way, the 2nd Gen TLX has driver adjustable suspension dampening. The Accord does not. The vehicle would leave its design parameters and step into a higher level of competition. The consumer is always the pawn. But as the saying goes, if you build it, they will SUCCUMB. The consumer will buy out of the desire to have their own personnel transportation. That is where Acura, Cadillac, Audi, Lexus, Infiniti, and Lincoln come in. I kinda don't want to include Mercedes-Benz in this because they have had to offer lesser cost vehicles to offset the cost of their premium models and to help them with their CAFE standards. But their Maybach Division, when it was created, was meant to compete with Bentley and Rolls-Royce.
We have choices. We just may not like the full choice of what is available...
Kirk, The cramped rear seat really detracts from the TLX's appeal. 🤨 For the record, Canadians built the Acura CSX and EL. 😁
Every vehicle in this segment has a small rear seat
@@rightlanehog3151. I don’t have kids, but I’ll admit it is a tight rear section.
@@RonnieMorgan-fw8qj Honda and Acura are generally good with interiors but not in the case of the TLX. 😔
@@JayJay-he9bkthe stinger was actually bigger inside
This car is also about 1 foot longer than everything in the segment and has the smallest rear seat space @@JayJay-he9bk
The TLX is not selling as well as the 3 series bmw
I love the TLX. But, with it being heavy, no touch screen, no pano roof and Acura’s refusal to have their Type-S models with over 355 horsepower doesn’t appeal to a lot of performance oriented buyers.
The TLX doesn't need to go to the discontinuation heavens.
It just needs a +600lb diet. Seriously.
For a car that weighs just as much as a CT5-V Blackwing and only has a single scroll turbo and not a twin turbo setup to make up for the power to weight ratio, that's where they're hurting at.
You can change the infotainment setup, add a new exterior color, and new wheels all you want, but if you can't cut down on the curb weight of the car to make it a better performance car, then that $60,000 for a TLX Type S or whatever the price is could be spent on a CT4-V Blackwing with 112hp more and 90lb-ft of tq. Sure, those two cars are two different class sizes, but for what you're getting out of the 4-V BW: lighter weight, extra performance, and an overall better driver's car, why would sell yourself short of over a 100hp and almost 100lb-ft of tq?
Since 1997 they refuse to meet the performance demands of the market. Back then everyone wanted a rwd V8 and Honda never gave us one and look how Lexus and the Germans left them behind. The they finally get woth the times offering a 3.0T and they give us 355hp and front biased awd. They have missed the mark with every model NSX, TLX, etc. We are in the HP era and the give us a HALO car with less that 600hp and a preformance sedan with less than 400 hp. They are just stubborn at this point
Yeah, a manual transmission swap would have probably done that. ( not that they would ever do that, though I'm guessing Integra sales may make them second guess that decision )
I hate that Acura killed the RLX in the USA, and if you’re right Kirk, then the TLX will follow. Should I give the Lexus ES a 2nd look or will that get killed off, too?
Nah definitely the end of the LS
they sell a lot of es's ...
@chezzyperson3339 lexus may give the ls one last Hurrah b4 they let it go ... i dont think they want to let the flagship go deep down
I just bought a 2022 Lexus ES 350 f sport a month ago! I love it!!!
If Acura goes back to actual names like Legend & Vigor then they’d sell more “TLX”. The Integra wouldn’t sell as good as it does if it was named “ILX”
SAY IT AGAIN, DUDE you’re so spot on
I have been saying this for decades!!! One of the downfalls with Infiniti was transitioning to their terrible naming strategy. I know they said at the time when Infiniti did it it was to make it easier to market the same vehicle in different international markets under the same name as they were trying to expand into markets they had previously not sold Infinitis at. Either way, I think it didn’t help overall…
With Acura, I think they must’ve done some market research that probably suggested that people took luxury cars more seriously when they had names that were combinations of alpha numeric characters like Mercedes, Lexus, Audi, BMW. But instead of throwing away all the recognition and standing out, they should’ve KEPT those names. Now look at them. About to turn into the next Infiniti by going SUV-only because they can’t compete, meanwhile, Lexus, BMW, Audi, Mercedes all seem to be selling plenty of sedans and a few coupes, too along with their SUV line up.
It has nothing to do with the name, the car is mediocre
@@Striker50_ If it has "nothing to do with the name," Acura would've just come out with a 2nd Generation ILX or they'd have brought back the RSX. Instead they went with a nameplate with heritage and some value- Integra. The same could be surmised with Legend. Plus, Honda is bringing back the Prelude. They could've easily just made a Civic coupe again or an Accord coupe, instead…it appears to have SOMEthing to do with the name and the reverence it possesses.
@@mark_edwards485 The TLX doesn't sell well because it is a foot larger than its competition while having less leg space and cargo space. It also has worse fuel economy and less power. The TLX does nothing better than the competition.
@@Striker50_, what is the competition you are referring to? Give us the vehicle name please. Thanks!
I love my 2023 TLX Types S great drive and fast enough. I also have 2024 MDX Types S, love my Acura vehicles.
Not shocked! After Volvo killed off the s60 I was positive that Acura and Lexus will follow!
TLX needs another refresh and boost in performance. Then it’s good for another 5yrs.
I’m willing to bet there are tons of other people like me who would love to buy a tlx but can’t afford it
Factssssss it’s just we don’t have money but I bet you thousands would buy in a instant if we just had the funds
I own a 2021 TLX Aspec, apex Blue with red interior. I really like this car. It would be perfect if it had a little better gas mileage, panoramic sunroof, and a tad bit more of rear leg room. Otherwise, it's still a head turner 3 years later.
For better gas milage there's the Integra, you can't have it all, expect worse gas milage if you got more power
So now they are forcing SUV’s on consumers ?! I mean really ?! I don’t mind them but I’ve always loved sports cars! I think that’s what every man wants! I have my 23 TLX Type S and is it the fastest car in the segment? Nope! But it’s really fun and great overall.
Do you know when they will fully reveal the ADX?
A local dealer has three 2023’s left in stock. Thinking of getting one and driving it till my daughter can drive in two years. Subbed. 🤘
Saw this coming a mile away this damn thing to freaking expensive lmao 45-60k for sedan no thank u
45k is a lot to swallow for a FWD 4 bangers sedan, at least makes it AWD standard like the RDX😢
Still got my 2010 TL SHAWD Tech Package 305HP and it’s crushing it!
Acura needs to go back to basic design. The Front dash-to-axle ratio. That is Way too Long for a Front Wheel Drive layout and increases the turning radius while greatly reducing the interior space. It doesn't work for navigating large city traffic.
Sedans are a lame design. TLX Should have been offered as a proper AWD Hatchback and also as an AWD Wagon with much Smaller Front dash-to-axle ratio.
No😭😭😭😭what's wrong with the world? all Sedan are leaving the world 😢😢
You will drive ze SUV and be happy!
Acura needs to go back to basic design. They actually Boasted about Increasing the Front dash-to-axle ratio. That is Way too Long and increases the turning radius while greatly reducing the interior space. It doesn't work for navigating large city traffic.
Sedans are a lame design. It Should have been offered as a proper AWD Hatchback and also as an AWD Wagon.
@@ronaldmcdonald9322no. I hate SUVs
Kia and Hyundai will be the only ones left soon. Their sedans sell very good
The suv craze that started in 2016 is what happened.
I don't care that's BMW has more horsepower, I don't drive on the autobahn. I'd rather have the stellar looks and very good performance and resale.
2025 Lexus IS 500 has been leaked in Canada. What are you think about it?
This EV stuff is just crazy. There's still no infrastructure so what's the point exactly?
People who buy luxury EV’s generally are able to charge at home. The infrastructure problem is a non issue.
@@enmass90, how does that solve the problem of driving the car away from home like most people do to go on vacation? You still need infrastructure or are these all commuter vehicles only driven from home to work?
@@sachemrock there are plenty of chargers all over the place… especially in tourist areas, and especially now that the entire industry is moving to the NACS standard and is able to use Tesla’s charging network.
To your other point about commuter cars… yes. People who can afford luxury cars can afford multiple vehicles in their household. I personally own both an EV and an ICE vehicle. My EV is used for 90% of my commuting tasks and my ICE is an SUV for camping trips in overlanding trails. But any time I go to tourist areas on vacation I take the EV.
@@enmass90No there isn't you're just being an EV fanboy in California. I live in Phoenix, the fifth largest city and ev infrastructure is horrible.
@@sachemrockyep EVs will never go mainstream until you can pull up to a gas station and charge your ev in 5 minutes. Not happening maybe in 10 years when there is real infrastructure by then there could also be other alternative fuels
The TLX is claustrophobic inside. I think it’s not just lack of interior space by the numbers but that dumb center console needs to shrink. It’s a biggish car with a small interior and there are better choices for the same money. That said, I like it.
What about instead of a full ev, we get a hybrid.
& they called me A mad man for buying one these tlx's look beautiful & perform very great i get compliments from random people all the time now that it may discontinue or become A shell of itself these will go up in vaule someday.
TLX has been my dream car. I was holding out for upgraded infotainment like the new MDX, and hopefully a pano! But dam might not ever get it now.
Kirk, any idea yet when you'll see the ADX concept reveal?
I think you hit the nail onthe head - the TLX debuted as a bloated, marginally performing car that was cheaper than the competition but offered a lot less. The original TL Type S did the opposite. It offered the same or in some cases, better performance than the competition at a much lower price.
I don't care if the Integra is roomier the TLX, there is no way, NOOO WAY I'D buy one over a TLX. I once owned a 1996 Integra LS SE Hatchback equipped with a 5 speed manual transmission. The car was a lots of fun to drive. But replacing it with a new 2003 CL Type S equipped with a 6 speed manual (it's still my daily driver) was a great decision! I did miss the Integra's ability to transport my bicycle to an area so that I could ride it in a park but other than that, it was a good grown up decision. Why? The CL has more leg room and is more grown up! I'm 62 years old & 6'-1" I need the room!
I have a 2019 TLX A-SPEC SH-AWD and back in June, purchased a 2024 TLX A-SPEC SH-AWD. The Type-S was too hard to get, so I settled on the one and only new TLX on the lot.
I don't like the 2025: they removed the finger mouse control pad and replaced it with another cubby hole. The center console LED is now a touch screen; something that will have finger prints on it all over it. So I'm happy with my 2024. I sensed that Acura may want to kill the TLX gas powered car and switch it to electric. If we are going to get close to seeing that gorgeous prototype that was made for the second generation TLX, the electric model, if it ever hits production, will probably look more like THAT prototype.
Update: Yesterday 9-12-2024, I saw two 2025 Type S' on a dealer lot. Unlike the 2025 MDX, the TLX STILL has the finger touch pad. I stand corrected.
A sedan in this segment needs to be RWD based.
When the new TLX-S was announced, I followed it closely as I was itching to trade in my 2018 Q50RS (the most meh car in its segment) and the Type S was on my short list. But when I saw it in person and learned the spec's, I crossed it off my list with a sigh of disappointment. It wasn't so much the down-on-power 3.0t as it was the packaging and the curb weight. The long hood and short rear deck promise RWD performance bias, but this is a FWD chassis with a transverse V6 and it still hangs far too much weight over the front axle. The long hood is just for aesthetics, sadly. The back seat isn't roomy enough for a sedan. And that 2.1 ton curb weight...it's the heaviest and consequiently, thirstiest car in its class. The giant quad exhaust tips are also more of an aesthetic, and look like a joke considering the relatively low performance on tap. Looks are subjective, and I know most people seem to think it's a great looking car. But to my eyes, it looks far too contrived...but that may be because I know it's writing checks it can't cash with M3 looks but 330i performance. I think most people who shop for cars like this are at least somewhat educated on how the various offerings stack up, and likely arrive at the same conclusion I did, which is that it doesn't measure up compared to the competition. It's sad that Acura are discontinuing their lone midsize "performance" sedan, but not as sad as the fact that they missed the target so badly in the first place.
Abysmal MPG, can't use the full back seat with the rear seats down with the X brace in the way. The TLX Type S doesn't make a whole lot of sense other than it's beautiful exterior, exhaust note, sound system and handling.
@@chicagomike9778, why is everyone just focusing on the Type S? If the TLX is going away then so is the non type S sedan which has much better packaging dimensions than the Type S which is on a different platform.
@@sachemrock cause every lame youtuber and acura keeps trying to promote the type s when it sucks. There is no reviews hardly on the fwd models which are the core sellers.
Acura tries to fake it, youtubers try to help fake it but consumers are not that dumb
@@sachemrock No, same exact platform used on TLX and Type-S, hence the name TLX Type-S. The differences are not in the packaging; the engine, exhaust, suspension, seats, side skirts, etc set it apart. Packaging in terms of usable space, are virtually identical other than the brace in the rear seatback making the trunk less usable. I don't know about elsewhere in the world but where I live (UT) neither car sells in big numbers. You rarely see one on the road. It seems the people have spoken.
@@chicagomike9778 I like the look from some angles. I dislike the rear end though. The tail lights are shaped like gourds, summer squash comes to mind.
I think the pricing has a lot to do with sales, and you now pay more for less
. I owned Honda products since 1991 to 2021, since prices raised to almost match competitors it makes sense to go elsewhere.
do you think the price for used 24-25 type s will drop anytime soon? for some reason dealers are insane charging 58-59k for a USED 24 type s with a few thousand miles, when msrp is 58,795$
I love my RDX advanced. It is a great driving fun car with great reliability. It drives better than any hybrid. It is very comfortable with great seats and controls that make sense. The touchpad is a none issue if you use CarPlay. It could get better gas mileage and I was able to get over 30mpg on highway recently. It’s a great little suv. If you want more power get a bmw x3m40. You will pay a lot more. I drove pretty much everything out there. All fulll hybrids drive terrible. CRV was the best but still sluggish with awful seats. CX5 was pretty good with base engine but turbo was unrefined and once again seats were cardboard. If a 6.2 - 6.7 0-60 is too slow buy something else. Lexus hybrids drive like your grandmas car. The RDX is great suv to keep long term. I drove model 3 and I liked it better than any hybrid. Its controls were stupid and you have to use the stupid screen to open your glove box? To turn car on. No sunroof? No shade for glass top? Air conditioning was very weak and I wasn’t sure it would keep car cool on hot day. I would get an RDX over a Tesla or hybrid every time.
It’s a really good car but the price. 🤦♂️
The wheels on this prototype electric Honda/Accura are cool. I hope they can make production.
I wish Acura was going all hybrid with their lineup.
or at last offer a Sport Hybrid version of each model
Yeah I was shocked that Toyota went full hybrid for Camry, and man for the car segment, those suckers are impressive.
A while back Kirk said Acura will not build any more hybrids. They are transitioning to full electric. Big mistake.
One of my friends used to own a 2007 Acura TSX. He loves his TSX so much and always said he would definitely buy another Acura, maybe an SUV or sedan. So, back in 2021, when he saw the all-new 2021 TLX come out. He was so excited about it and went for a test drive. Then I told him, Let's check out Lexus since these two dealerships are just right next to each other. We tested the ES350, and he was very close to buying the ES. However, BA DA BING BA DA BOOM, next thing we know, we drove a 2021 RX350 F-Sport out of the Lexus dealer. And have never talked about Acura ever again.
The TLX competes with the 3 series, A4, and C-Class. However, its exterior is the size of a 5 series, and it is heavier than a 5 series. I think people don’t know how/where to place/categorize this vehicle, which makes it confusing for buyers.
No rwd biased i still can’t believe it outsells the q50
I did my part to support sedans….2024 Type S in Tiger eye. I had to hustle to find one in this colour. Inventory was next to nothing. If you don’t have any inventory it’s hard to have great sales figures Acura.
Acura is killing the brand. Probably the same decision makers that thought "smart luxury" back in 2013 was a great idea.
First thing I thought of, brining back the legend?
I hope not, I have owned my TLX for just under a year. That EV concept is going to cost a ton more than the $46k I paid. Plus very limited non-Tesla options to charge in my area, part of a major DMA of 8M+ people. Acura leadership if you’re reading this, this will go down in history as one of the quickest ways to kill your brand
Not sure why these companies are going full EVs. .. seriously. Until there's rapid charging stations everywhere, EVs will never go mainstream. And infrascture is no where near ready for that
I'd say at the very least. least 10 years . She not everyone can purchase an expensive home charging stations
I remember reading how important the GS was the the Lexus lineup. 😂
I live one city away from one of the largest Acura dealerships on the west coast and I haven't seen one of these on the road.
The first gen TLX was selling in decent numbers. It was more like a personal sedan with enough luxury and space serving a large demographic, with this model they made it targeting to only sort car fans, limited space, low seating and roof. expensive... not elegant but purely sporty boy racer design
Sad but about time...under powered, too much money..genesis has surpassed acura.
Never. Acura builds way better vehicles. Genesis catches fire. This car still sells more than a G70
Please, you're a delusional fool 😂😂😂
@@rahimi4762
G70 still around though, while TLX is about to get put out to pastures..
cant remember the last time i saw one
What are the chances of an integra hybrid?
8:42 Lexus killing of the LS will definitely be a sad day... but the LS did its job. it did its job decades ago: it created the Lexus brand.
if anything,, it should be given a last a hurrah... a final bow... a damn VEE EIGHT!!
come on Toyota. u put the 5L V8 in the Century, gave it a hybrid, but then reserved it as JDM. The LS rightly deserve that powerplant too.
I feel like car journalism has spent so much effort advertising for suvs and trucks that has not helped the case for manufacturers to keep sedans in North America. In most other places cars continue to be best sellers. Meanwhile Americans’ average car payments are just shy of $800/month. 🤢
@@Chr1s-fm6bi acura and youtubers have tried to shove type s down peoples throats. the bottom line is they stink
I like this generation of the TLX styling wise…The interior packaging for the exterior size sucks..The Integra is actually much roomier.
Saw this coming unfortunately. Fun attractive car but terrible gas mileage, not much are available right now on lots, & very pricey
Smh this is insane I hate these ev car trends
Let me sum up the problems with the TLX. Is the base model dramatically better than the 2019 or newer Honda accord? No Is the performance version in the type S competitive in its segment? No It underwhelmed. Had Honda/Acura made better choices. We wouldn't be having this discussion.
If there was full-screen CarPlay, and it was priced better, I'd be all on a TLX!
You can’t find a type S and in the rare chance that you do, it has a dealer mark up.
I don’t work with dealers that mark up cars.
Hey Kirk is there any cheap under $25k cars for 2025
Wish if they're killing off sedans to at least give us one mid-size wagon/sportsback to replace it. I want a Japanese hatch without the height of crossover and need something bigger than a hatchback. I hope Honda makes it happen. Meanwhile I have to settle with getting a crossover. I get jealous every time I see someone with a Volvo wagon because of the maximized utility of a hitch, roof cargo box and still tons of interior space while not being that much taller than a basic crossover with nothing on the roof so you can still fit in almost any indoor garage (if it fits a pick up truck, it can fit a sedan/wagon with a box on top). I don't want to own a Volvo though.
The TLX Type S is way too heavy at 4,221 pounds AND the Horsepower is too low! Their 3.0 should've been twin turbo pushing 420 Horsepower just like the Z NISMO
Give me a touch screen like the MDX and I'd consider buying.
@@johnnytran2095 that scroll method isn’t that bad. Don’t get the hate for it.
you still wouldn't buy if they did lol
@@RonnieMorgan-fw8qjit’s the automotive press and RUclips car review channels that shat all on that finger touch panel thing they had and it works fine. Same with the dual-screen set up in the original TLX & ILX. It works intuitively and you can tell that the cars were designed with a small center console touch screen for input and the other solely for viewing BEFORE it was becoming commonplace for there to be one large iPad like touch screen in every single car.
Acura needs to focus on Hybrid vehicles!! We don’t want EV vehicles 🚗
Yes evs are big pos
They need to bring back the legend
RLX and now TLX. The RLX/MDX/NSX with the Sport Hybrid powertrain didn't sale and EV powertrains for a sedan are not selling either.
Hey consumer! Buy the EV version of the TLX with +500lbs more weight, realistic range around 200 miles, +$15,000 more expensive, very unreliable EV fast charging infrastructure, it would add 1-2 extra days on a 1000 mile road-trip because of recharging, and resale value that drops like a rock.
Beautiful car with dissappointing performance. Has been the same story since the end of the Legend name badge.
The performance is great. Where did u get that from?
@@rahimi4762 As a Acura fan and owner of a 94' Legend, 13' TSX Wagon, 19' RDX (wife) and hopefully a NA1 NSX soon. The performance is disappointing. When they finally announced a type s that wasn't just a badge package everyone was excited and boom they give is 355hp to push around 4200 lbs in a fwd bias car. They missed the mark....again.
@@devoemewborn9541Ktune it, they under power it.
@@TeeDee-j9uno one is going to buy this car just to tune it and lose their warranty. There are way better cars for that.
@@enmass90 I would
O no imma have to get the tlx types this is crazy
Regular TLX is a boat. Type S is a fast boat. Boats are great for long highway trips. If you want sporty Integra all day, plus Integra is not that small.
Acura, before you discontinue the TLX just freshen up the styling, maybe beef up the luxury a bit...and call it the LEGEND. Just for the last year. I bet you will be pleasantly surprised. And that there will be many more 'last years'.
Acura just isn’t good. This car is all new and was all worst in most categories. It looks nice. They are going from TSX and TL to only TLX to none. Another acura failure
Your wrong. A lot of test had it the best too. Do I need to bring articles? It’s made good too unlike other brands
@@rahimi4762sales say otherwise. It’s a shame that Honda and Acura are not what they used to be.
Maybe the TLX could be replaced with an EV sedan
@@chezzyperson3339 they would botch it up
@@rahimi4762 tlx is slowest class, lowest mpg in class, biggest in class with smallest interior in class and heaviest in class.
Its literally the worst of all worlds lol
You can't sell them if you don't produce them. I was very interested in purchasing a brand new TLX type s but can't find any in my area. I have since moved on. I will likely order a bmw m340i or an m2. Better performance anyway.
I rarely see them on the roads along with the " Civic-based" Intergra.
Acura has lost their way it seems.
Do you think this will happen to small crossovers like the Lexus ux/ Audi q3?
Man Acura is a dying brand. Nobody cares about them anymore. It’s like they are fighting to remain relevant
RDX and MDX are real money makers and selling great
@@Mr99Burns nope mdx sales are down. rdx sales are up this year but it now sells much less than the germans and NX. read the sales results
TLX simply can't compete at the moment and is heavy asf. Exterior looks and SH-AWD is simply the only selling point. M340i is simply years ahead and not much more expensive than a Type S.
Acura is heavy because it’s made right. BMW all plastic. I remember a time when German cars were congratulated for being heavy. That meant made well like a bank vault.
@@rahimi4762oh you sound like a hater. BMWs aren’t plastic 😂
@@rahimi4762no it’s heavy & SLOW!
I need this car.
Besides it’s heft and small interior, I don’t like the color choices. There are some beautiful red colors out there, and none for the Type S. I have zero desire for their boring colors.