How Bobby Fischer's Chess Changed Over the Years!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Let's examine how Bobby Fischer's chess changed and matured over the years.
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During the time Fischer "disappeared", he still did maintain a level of contact with some acquaintances. One of them, John Grefe, who was co-champion in the 1973 u.S chess Championship, was a friend of mine.I met John in the late 1990s. John saw Bobby on the odd occasion when they met at a mutual friend's house. I know they played some games, but I don't have any game scores or moves.
Unfortunately, John passed in 2013, 6 years after Bobby. John was nice, but reasonably private, so I never pressed him for many details about Bobby. It would have been interesting to hear the stories, but I didn't want to encroach on private territory.
attacking ideas of Fischer is so freakin deep! a real genius!! 💯🔥
Spassky was 162nd world ranking and rated 2558 in 1992! Spassky errors Knight h7?? h5?? Knight e4?? f5??? Queen e8?? King f6?? exf4??? Fischer beat Spassky 10 wins 15 draws 5 losses in 1992! Fischer score 58,33%!ao we get Fischer rating 2617,78 in 1992 at age 49!
Bobby Fischer would had been 58th world ranking in 1992! Fischer was out of form! Poor 58,33% result against Weak world ranking 162nd player Spassky! All Spassky's moves were errors this game!
@@RaineriHakkarainen that said, he was probably better than your finest version
Byrne let the kid finish his masterpiece. Classy guy.
Please keep making videos with tons of historical context. As someone who loves Bobby, but does not know much about Chess Macro, the history is what is important to me!
beautiful comments greetings from former Yugoslavia the second best chess country for 25 years.Bobby loved to play here and he was always welcome
Could you imagine (of course I can not) playing Bobby Fisher and your only real decision in the game ends up being: "Do I go a whole Queen up, and get check mated in 7, or do I let him keep his Queen and get check mated in 10? The man was too much, and I just can not stop repeating that he did this during those frigid cold war years, where Chess REALLY meant something larger than a victory in chess. It was the threat of global communism vs Representative Republics. Most of us have forgot the pressure the Cold war brought to our competitors during the Cold War Era. We have forgotten how the citizens would sit at the edge of their seats, in anxious anticipation, whenever their perspective champion was playing. The greatest Chess Player of all time became the greatest UNDER that pressure, most of us could not even imagine. Well done Bobby Fisher, well done indeed sir. Rest in Peace.
Bobby beat the Soviet chess machine by himself.
I remember that great accomplishment in 1972.
Would not call him the GOAT, ye he beat a soviet machine and was "unbeatable" for 3 years but thats short compared to Magnus and Kasparov reign and ofc compared to Morphy who was self taught and was 400-500 elo above his opponents(litteraly playing against top 10 opponents with knight/bishop odds)
@@SaskobestYou forgot to mention the longest reign in chess which is held by E. Lasker
@@gooddognigel9992 Kind of yes but also he didn't defend it that many times
Could be he is, 10 game match candidate championships, no tie break contests that last indefinitely, thoughs; are what Carlsen never knew, just easy online super blitz. Fischer had intense discipline far beyond any post USSR champs.@@Saskobest
Fischer's 21 move win against Byrne's brother, GM Robert Byrne, is also one of the most sensational attacking games, a real jaw dropper. Its almost like voodoo. Byrne got revenge though, beating Fischer in a French Defense in a later game.😀
Best pattern recognition of all time…
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someone who doesnt play chess once said..
The 1992 match had a few good games, but this 1st one and (if I recall corectly) game 11 were truly great.
I think they did a computer analysis of all his games from 1965 to 1973 and his accuracy was crazy like 95% or something. He was the human computer back then.
Well, I guess computers aren't perfect yet.. They are still off by 5%.
Fischer was the first engine.
I absolutely love Chessdawg's fischer videos , simply too good 🎉
That second game was the most beautiful and complicated game I've ever seen
Thank you, John (is it?) for your informative and interesting selections made more useful by your precise analysis. Im following, keep on
B.F 🐐
@ChessDawg keep up the good work, the analysis is amazing, quality content, easily the best chess channel
No consequences whatsoever. Korchnoi has a very good record against Fisher and has his own masterpieces against him. At that time, Korchnoi wasn't even thinking about defecting to the West. Fisher did not influence Korchnoi's decision to defect in any way at any time.
I remember this game and the excitement around its preparation.
Great video! Thank you
What elo does a strong engine rate bobbys play in his 2nd game?
I'm responding so I can see the reply if someone can verify with a strong engine.
Yes, Fischer was probably much stronger in 1992 than in 1956 but neither he nor Spassky were close to being the Fischer and Spassky of 1972. Fischer did play some outstanding games in their 1992 match but his play overall was much more uneven than in their 1972 match even though he didn't play any games in their 1992 match as poor as Game 1 (in which he needlessly got a bishop trapped) or Game 11, one of Fischer's worst games ever. As for Spassky, his play by 1992 had declined even more than Fischer's. But although Spassky was World Champion for only three years, in his prime which more or less coincided with Fischer's prime Spassky was clearly the best player the Soviet Union had. As such Spassky is one of the most underappreciated World Champions.
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Happy subscriber here. Two fantastic games yet I still prefer Fischer's Immortal because he was 13 yrs old. Not to nitpick but you accurately identify D Byrne as an IM but note Fischer as a GM. He did not become a GM for another 2 yrs at the age of 15 when he became the youngest GM ever, at least for a number of years. Getting back to the Byrne game, seeing that Kn to B4 and the havoc it would cause at age 13 is just short of unimagineable and unbelievable. Thank you for this!
You call it the "Immortal game" but that is another game by another player from years earlier; Fischer's '56 game has been called the "Game of the Century" for decades now.
Reshevsky analyzed the Game of the Century and found a faster mate at the end. I read the book in the 1970s but I don't have it. Anybody?
Fischer gave up his crown approximately 1 year after winning the title of world champion.
It took Magnus Carlsen 10 years to make the same decision.
Think about that!
I am always amazed at how few "Likes" you have. Right now, you have 13k+ views and 650 likes, that is crazy! I think that is why people have to ask for a like but man, if anyone deserves it, you are one of them! TY for this awesome analysis of young and older Fischer.
The title besides Fischer name in ist game is wrong. In 1956 Fischer wasn’t even a master let alone GM just a “promising” junior. Hate to also point out the obvious, of course no 13yr old no matter if your were Fischer , level of play is going to be comparable to some 35yrs later. Don’t even think the games are good examples. Byrne was asking for trouble and got duly dealt to. 2nd game was slow burning until Spassky started playing desperado moves as he didn’t want to go into a losing endgame. Ironically most strong players could play like Fischer in the 2nd game whereas don’t know who could have played like him in the first game no matter how old or good you are.
Such a shame that Fischer neither played Karpov or Kasparov. Apparently, GM Nigel Short said he played several on-line blitz games against an anonymous opponent whom he believed was Fischer and lost all of them. Fischer played crazy unconventional openings and defences like bong-cloud. There was a clue in their brief chats that Nigel recognised that could have only been a response by Fischer himself. It was in answer to a question Nigel asked that was pertinent only to Fischer, yet the answer Nigel got was instantaneous, cementing the suspicion that he had played a few games against the great Bobby Fischer himself. Nigel's testimony went viral and by and by Fischer was asked about Nigel's suspicions and he "didn't deny it" but simply stated that he didn't play chess anymore, only Fischer random.
Great games but given Fischer legendary opening prep seems likely he was in prep deep into the second game, which is why he chose to play Spassky, rather than anyone else, when he came back after 20 years. His handling of the white side of the Sicilian by sacking a pawn was also a brilliant game… I can remember my chess playing friends being electrified by his sharp opening novelty. One wonders what other novelties died with Fischer as he only played Spassky on his return and drifted into obvious mental illness afterwards. Of course, imho he must have feared defending his title facing Karpov because while Karpov could well prepare against Fischer based on published games, Karpov was at that time a dark horse with few to no published games. I’ve never understood why Karpov did not have to play some sort of candidate’s match or tourney to earn the right to play the WC vs Fischer
i wouldn't call his game with byrne his immortal i think his game with byrne is gooder than his game with byrne
Fischer was potentially the GOAT if only he would have kept playing for the world championship. if he did I think we would all be agreeing that he was the GOAT
Gary Kasparov and Magnus Carlson may be better players than Fischer but when I think of all the greats at any discipline the one thing they have in common is how easy they make it look. Fischer just makes the game of chess look simple. That's how I measure greatness but you do you.
Good presentation. Rather spoiled by the annoying adverts which jump in several times, halfway through a sentence.
At the 2024 Candidates Event almost all players said they would play Fischer if they could
Beautiful Video! Thank you very much!
Thank you for this excellent presentation. I enjoy your lessons and your Channel very much. 😊
The problem of tal games is, you dont really know what heck are you doing, even if you win
chess before this stupid computer shit was so much cooler. nowadays if u play online there are so many cheaters thats fucking stupid.
And how Bobby gradually became John Malkovich
Excellent! Very enjoyable exposition.
Please show the games from the victor's (Fischer's) point of view
@chessdawg, how would you rank the greatest players?
These games especially latter one are magnificant
The Bf4, is called the Blackthorne variation.
How would a prime Magnus match up against a prime Bobby?
Magnus can win but he would be playing aginst talented 2785 player.
It’s hard to say, because we’d have to give Bobby a computer/Stockfish at an early age or Magnus never having it. There’s too much technological advances between then and now.
@@kdiigx I think Bobby is more talented than Magnus.
@@GoldenFinger-y4c I agree with you. There’s so many variables, but I think Bobby has the most pure talent of all time.
This chess genius in Bobby Fischer, was the only reason to why I loved the game of chess. I was only 8 yrs old when Bobby became the world champion. From then on, I began to learn to play this chess game and followed Bobby's career until his self reclusion... Until his death, I dearly loved and adored him... He will forever be my greatest chess genius of all time.... Rest in eternal peace, my dear Bobby Fischer♥️🙏🙏🙏
I saw a clip of an interview with Fischer in which he was asked if he considered himself a chess genius. Bobby replied, "No. I'm a genius who also plays chess"! He said it in a completely unselfconscious, matter-of-fact way, like, 'I prefer tea to coffee' :¬D
Chess dawg, do you think 49 year old Fischer would have been relevant in the 90s as a top chess player? Like, would he really have been competitive against the likes of a prime Kasparov, Karpov, ETC
I think that Fisher would be still world champion in the 70ies and 80ies, if he kept playing (around 40 official games per year in total, including all matches and tournaments, I mean 2h time control) but in the 90ies he would resign exactly because he would sense that Kasparov would be able to win a match against him. Probably his ELO when retiring at around 1993 (at the age of 50) would have dropped to 2700 , from 2780 at early 70ies (and 2800 at early 80ies when he would reach his highest ranking). But imagine if we had 800 more games by Fisher played during 1973-1992 , against players like Timman, Karpov, Short, Yusupov, Beliavsky, Kasparov, Anand , Shirov, Kramnik , Kamsky etc!
What a treat!
I am not much of a chess historian and my comment here is based off of what I heard Kasparov say in an interview regarding the match between Fischer and Spassky in 1992. Kasparov claims that the level of chess played in that match was not on a high level of chess. He went on to say that it was clear that Fischer and Spassky were clearly beyond their level of play when they were in their prime. Can't say much more than that and I have no real chess knowledge to say one way or another if he is correct. But this comment did come from Kasparov which speaks for itself. I will let you chess enthusiasts determine if he was correct in his analysis of this match. I'd be interested in hearing what those of you who are well versed in chess have to say about Kasparov's comments.
I would also say that I am not diminishing what Fischer accomplished in his career as I am a big Bobby Fischer fan. Just curious to see if you all feel that this match was up to the hype that is made out to be? Kasparov certainly doesn't seem to think so.
It was Garry's opinion only. The illustrated 1992 game was still a magnificent quality GM game. Bobby hated draws and loved to crush the other guy's ego. But not Spassky's, for they were friends.
What was the time control on these games?
Great Video, Dawg. Thank you. The "REAL" championship was a beautiful game. very evident how much more godlike BF was in 1992. LEGEND
Spassky was 162nd world ranking and rated 2558 in 1992! Fischer beat Spassky 10 wins 15 draws 5 losses in 1992! So we get Fischer rating 2617,78 in 1992! Fischer would have been 59th in the world in 1992 if he played like against Spassky in 1992! 2617 rating it is not God like play!
@@RaineriHakkarainen GODLIKE vs his 13 yo self. However, we don't need to debate what Fischer's ranking would be. He is the greatest of all time as we are still talking about his legacy 30+ years after his last match.
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Mr. Dawg, although the 1992 Fischer vs Spasky was a masterpiece, Fischer’s complicated Calculated queen sac immortal game at only 13 years of age vs IM Byrne was a gem that everyone remembers.
A masterpiece?? Spassky was only 162nd world ranking and rated 2558 in 1992! Spassky errors Knight h7?? h5??? Knight e4??? f5?? King f6?? Queen e8??? And so on! Awful blunder maker Spassky!!
exf4?? f4??
Both games great
I'll never play as good as Fischer at any age. I'm glad through his messy life he at least got Spassky a payday in the rematch, Spassky was a cool dude and deserved the break.
5:23 How about Re8?
I have analyzed the second game with stockfish 30 moves ahead. Accuracy Fischer=92,3 and Spassky=89,0. No blunders from any player. Spassky made one genius move 47 Nxe4 Be7!!, but he was already -5,25 at that time...
Great Analysis... the Spassky game in 92 makes the Byrne game look sophomoric... Fischer was the real deal in chess throughout his lifetime!
My dear Teacher.I suggest to analyze the best five games of every year that have made a Sense in History -chess between 1900 -2025.years
Can make a video on this players game - rashid , vasily smyslov , victor korchnoi , Rudolf, vassily ivanchuk , borris spassky, louis charles mahe de , geza maroczy
Great « combo » games ; much appreciate because of your explanations!
Sir, this was a fantastic video moderated by wonderful chess enthusiast. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the finesse of a true gentleman!!😊
My best description of Bobby's play is.....inspiring. Who didn't want to win with a queen sac, back in the day. 😊
Beautiful game seems Fischer improved over the years, amazing. In a postion where any move is good he must have been a beast at blitz
Absolutely amazing games but i really like the first one it's very thrilling to watch.
in actual game (game1) fischer took on c4 first qxc4 c6, Rd1 Nd7
Dude I just reviewed this game in a book on Imbalances and Boy there was sssooooo many variations like one line was insane had to move from phone to computer in order to study Great Vid I missed you
Very good analyze ..from our very good teacher..Thank you very much
Excellent video. Thank you.
great vid, comparison.. thx
great vid dude
Kasparov claimed Fischer would not be able to beat any modern chess player in 1992 and that he is around 2600.
Kasparov is all but forgotten does anyone even use his games for instruction? He played in his own league and never faced Karpov again , to think Fischer is only 2600 is absurd he may be more like 2800. The elo back than is lower because the competition is harder. Ratings are only win loss charts not power ratings. Look at Nakamura so high rating but will never win the Championship. Did Kasparov ever play the match game championship after Karpov again? This is how you decide things in chess not blitz or lucky draws.
Shows the difference between Spassky and Kasparov, doesn't it? Spassky once clapped in applause for Fischer's gameplay against him. Kasparov can only disparage the man. If I were Russian, I would want Spassky to represent my country, not Kasparov despite his better rating and record.
Kasparov is quite stupid
Just 1 question sir.
So do you think Fischer is the GOAT?😊
From 1957 to 1967, he won eight US championships and in the process earned the only perfect score in the history of the tournament - 11-0 - during the year of 1963-64.
No other player has done this. Fischer has an award specifically named after this achievement, but nobody has won it yet.
One thing many forget about Fischer - he didn't have computers and databases to review over and over. He studied and mastered the great games and masters. IMO, he's the greatest of all time (GOAT)
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You got it sir.
He is my GOAT too, after watching his 2 long youtube documentaries 5 years ago i think " me against the world" was one.
I was stunned by his achievements particularly bringing down the whole Russian Chess Empire on his own like a Don Quixote when he took down all the Russian legends Tal Petrosian Keres Larsen Taimanov and finally Spassky one by one except for one i think Botvinik to finally end Russian chess domination.
To me this was his greatest achievement thank you.
My favorite player has to be Tal. His crazy sacrifice, attacking style is alot like mine. Fischer I don't believe can be copied. He was just sooooo good.
Loved to seen Tal and Fischer go at it in a tournament - both in their primes. It would've been tournament of all time
It may be much better than the Immortal game but it is considered much weaker than the Fischer games in his World Championship run.
No it is not "considered much weaker" except by those chess players and chess media personalities that became useful to the US State Dept. for the purpose of discrediting Fischer's outstanding performance in 1992.
@@DeeDee-fi4kq Find me a list of top GMs who support your position.
@@RS-np2bk Find me a list of bottom PATZERs who don't support your position
@@DeeDee-fi4kq I thought that would be your list.
Kasparov stated that Ficher played at about a 2600 level.
Kaspy has never been a reliable narrator.