Mercedes Benz W202 C280 Fan Clutch Replacement

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2024

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  • @blackwell1384
    @blackwell1384 6 лет назад +6

    Great video. I have done the fan removal enough times that I can appreciate what a good job you did in showing how it works. A couple of things I want to add: 1) check the bolt to make sure the Allen hex is not damaged, it is possible to install a bolt that if damaged will be very difficult to remove 2) I welded an old 8mm socket that I cut down to some bar stock to make a long handled wrench, it makes the job easier. I practiced off the car with the torque 40 nm or so to get a feel for what it’s like- it isn’t as much as the torque often required to break the bolt free, I think mechanics overdo this bolt and it can make it very difficult for the next guy to remove. Finally this is a great time to change the belt because the fan is so hard to remove, also I remove the belt and check all the pulleys. The bearing behind the fan is often noisy. 5 cars 5 noisy bearings. Also there is an idler bearing that gets noisy.
    The replacement bolt Mercedes sold me was torx not Allen. The hardware store bolts are a little long but can be cut down.
    There are stories about how hard a badly damaged it to remove, imagine pulling the condenser and radiator to drill the bolt, I myself have never had to do it anyway.
    I love the m104, I’m glad I found your channel

  • @briancarroll481
    @briancarroll481 6 лет назад +5

    Your engine bay is so clean! Great video

  • @janussQv
    @janussQv 2 года назад +1

    Thanks! Helped me alot to change the fsn clutch on w124 m104. Managed to do it without taking off the aux belt. With the right light placement it's possible to see the hole where to insert the special tool without much disassembly.

  • @firdausravindar977
    @firdausravindar977 Год назад

    Great video. Thanks for uploading this valuable video on RUclips.😊😊

  • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
    @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад +2

    UPDATE:
    Had to replace the fan clutch, the KOOLMAN fan clutch I got on Amazon.com didn't work well, it didn't modulate the fan speed. The car turned into a leaf blower, going on the hiway 120km/h I could not hear anything except the fan.
    Got a URO fan clutch (again from Amazon.com) much better, but not ideal, still noisy to my liking.
    My suggesion: get a good brand fan clutch.

    • @jimbobmedog
      @jimbobmedog 8 лет назад +1

      AndyP Mercedes Channel hi there I changed my fan clutch using you video. Very good by the way. I used a top Mann brand but noticed the fan is rather t load would you say it's brand I used or are you supposed to hear it a bit ? Also how do you check its regulating the speed correctly? Thank you again for your great how to videos.

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад +1

      Based on my experience...yes, the fan will be a bit louder with a new fan clutch. Explanation - the fan pulls more air now since the clutch doesn't slip as much. To gauge how loud the fan is...if you driving on the hiway at 100-110 km/h do you hear the engine noise or just the fan?
      To tell if it works or not...try to spin the fan while the car is cold and after it wormed up to the operating temperature (after driving 15-20 min) and compare, there's noticable difference. I can't explain it, but looking at both my cars the clutch on cold car will have higher resistance then after it worms up.
      Eventually after a month or so the fan clutch wears out a bit and the noise comes down.

    • @jimbobmedog
      @jimbobmedog 8 лет назад +1

      AndyP Mercedes Channel thank you I will see what's it's like when warm thank you once again other than a bit of fan noise it works great and your tutorial saved me $$$$$$

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад +1

      jimbobmedog you re welcome.

  • @rumipezo259
    @rumipezo259 8 лет назад +2

    Thks Mr Andy for the video, my C280 start to do some noise when it's cool, I think that was the problem, but just when its cool, i try to made a video, and maybe we can solve that problem, thks again, greetings from Lima PERÚ. 🇵🇪🇺🇸

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад

      OK. Check, there's an air pump on the right hand side of the engine, it turns ON when you start a cold engine and pumps air into exhaust. It runs until the engine gets warmer. It does create some noise, it might be the pump.

  • @mohamedamer8833
    @mohamedamer8833 8 лет назад +4

    Thanks for sharing..great video.Some do the carrot test to see if the clutch is gone or not..

  • @CristianCarpiuc
    @CristianCarpiuc 2 года назад

    It is true that for the Mercedes b classe 2012/2013 petrol 122hp you need to take out the engine to change the clutch?

  • @lxfguits
    @lxfguits 2 года назад

    It's been a long time since you made the video but maybe it's useful to some viewers. To me that new fan clutch looked way too tight. A brand new behr clutch is quite easy to spin. Just spinning it by hand doesn't really tell you that its bad. The cut in temp for this car should be 102+ degrees if I remember correctly. When it cuts in it literally sounds like a garbage truck and howls like a beast. When not up to temp it just idles silent at max 1000rpm I think it was. Sometimes old and cheap thermostats also don't open fully and people change the clutch out. Thermostat should start opening at 85 degrees and should fully open by the time the fan will cut in. When you have the correct thermostat and the engine is in good condition and the cooling system can get up to a good pressure then you can pretty much drive around with no fan. Only time it really cuts in is 30+ outside temp and city traffic or on big hills maybe. I used to drive a W124 OM603 automatic and it also had an 85 degree thermostat. The clutch was different spec but looked the same. I think the cut in temp was about 97 degrees. The fan almost never came on. But when it did you could hear it very clearly. So basically if you are not happy with your engine temps and it's not extreme weather you should always check your coolant cap and thermostat first. The clutches do go bad but it's certainly not always the first thing to look for.

  • @philipcooper8297
    @philipcooper8297 8 лет назад +2

    I would like to ask a question related to the matter. My W202 fan clutch seems to be not working properly, as it feels like it's always spinning the fan 1:1 no matter how hot/cold the engine is. I can hear the noise the fan makes, pulling the air through. But, and that is interesting, the engine coolant temperature, after starting the engine from cold, gets pretty quickly to about 90°C (above 80°C, maybe 85°C) and stays there no matter how fast/slow I drive regardless to the ambient outside temperature.
    By the temp. readout I can tell the cooling system, the fan included, works fine, but it is a bit annoying to drive a leaf blower around. Or is this completely normal?

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад +2

      In my personal opinion.....i don't think your clutch works correct and i'll explain why i think so. On other hand your thermostat works perfect.
      If you think the cooling system consists of 4 main elements: engine (hot side), radiator (cold side), thermostat (flow control) and a coolant pump. Your car is "overcooling" the coolant that passes thru radiator and when this "cold" fluid hits the thermostat it causes it to reduce the flow in order to keep the engine at operating temperature. Essentially your car is wasting power to overcool the coolant.
      This is what I've noticed after i've installed the new clutch on my W202.
      1. My W202 also turned into a leaf blower, going on the hiway 120 all i can hear now is the fan (engine is at 3000 rpm). As I can tell it never sounded like that. My S320 that has same engine - i can't even hear the fan at all.
      2. I did a comparison with how the clutch works on my S320. The engine temperature is very stable which leads me to believe the cooling system works OK.
      .....cold engine - i can feel significant resistance on the clutch
      .....engine at operational temp - the clutch resistance has dropped
      .....i assume as the engine temp increases, the resistance should increase to keep up.
      3. I don't feel any change in the new clutch resistance as the engine heats up.
      From info I’ve gathered, there’s a max amount of air the fan can pull, this limits fan RPM as the engine RPM goes up. This rpm limit is built into the fan clutch; it’s the slip in the clutch (or clutch resistance). So if the clutch resistance has changed the amount of air it can pull in will change. From what I can see there are 2 failure modes: clutch has lost the resistance therefore the engine overheats in stop-n-go traffic and clutch is stuck, essentially becoming a rigid element and robbing power from the engine.
      It feels like you have a second failure.
      The clutch I got is a KOOLMAN fan clutch from Amazon, I will be returning it. I got another clutch made by Uro, should be here in few days. Hope Uro clutch works as should..

    • @philipcooper8297
      @philipcooper8297 8 лет назад +1

      AndyP Mercedes Channel Thank you for your response. So a new fan clutch it is, then.

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад +1

      I think so. For what ots worth... 50$ and 1/2 hr of your time
      I'd stay away from the KOOLMAN clutch, the one i have didn't work. Check Pelican Parts, FCP or Autohaus AZ, I've bought parts from them before and it seems they sell OK staff, at least I recognise the manufacturer names, like Uro, Febi etc

    • @philipcooper8297
      @philipcooper8297 8 лет назад +1

      AndyP Mercedes Channel I already had a poke around and found a Febi Bilstein clutch for only about $42. Sachs for about $50 and we can go up to $180-$190 for the top notch stuff. I'm gonna go with Sachs, as I used their products before. I live in Europe, so I can get all the parts quite cheap. Now, I just have to find a spanner big enough, to actually take the clutch off. On the M111 engines, the clutch is actually the nut and you screw it on the pulley.

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад +1

      Yea..Sachs is a good brand, I think its OEM cause the original clutch that i pulled off is Sachs, I can tell its original it has a stamp 95, same as my car year.
      One thing...at Rockauto.com i've seen some clutches listed as thermal and other non-thermal. Pay attension when buying.
      www.aa1car.com/library/cooling_fan_clutch.htm
      Im not sure, the nut might be 32mm.
      Good luck. Let me know if new clutch will fix your issue.

  • @ChristopherSalter-hk7wj
    @ChristopherSalter-hk7wj 5 месяцев назад

    Isn't there a way to temporarily lock the clutch on. I'm having a hard time finding one right now

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  5 месяцев назад +1

      www.google.com/search?q=w202+fan+clutch&oq=w202+fan+clutch&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDINCAEQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAIQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAMQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAQQABiGAxiABBiKBdIBCTEwODY0ajBqN6gCFLACAQ&client=ms-android-bell-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

  • @ЖанатКарабаев-с6ж
    @ЖанатКарабаев-с6ж 6 лет назад +1

    на нагретый мотор она вообще никак не должна останавливаться,или все таки останавливается??? газетой имею ввиду

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  6 лет назад +2

      ОСТАНАВЛИВАЕТСЯ, НО ПРИ БОЛьШОМ УСИЛИИ,. Добавил в описание к видео как тестировать

  • @demi-gods2067
    @demi-gods2067 3 года назад

    Don’t mind me asking but where did you get the fan clutch tool?

  • @rumipezo259
    @rumipezo259 5 лет назад

    Hi Mr. Andrew; today I need some help, we’ll remember the noise from my C280, well that coming from the Fan Pulley, I change the belt a few months ago, and change the alternator, but the noise persists, the question is...
    The pulley from Fan cooler is conected with the water pump? Or something else?,
    Note: the belt is now with some scratches I need to change that too...

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  5 лет назад

      HI..THE BELT TRANSMITS FROM CRANCSHAFT PULLEY TO:
      1. Steering pump
      2. Coolant pump
      3. A/C compressor
      4. Fan clutch
      5. Alternator
      Also there is a belt tensioner puller and onother idler pulley
      hete's the schematic
      www.google.com/search?q=95+c280+serpentine+belt+schematic&rlz=1C1GCEU_enCA821CA821&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=HVBq_OtnOXqksM%253A%252ChC46LJBkCE8nKM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kS_ZBuk8fvr2oj6nGuM5VxM8z3gOg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjizoCL7v_fAhXJxFQKHVRyDNgQ9QEwDHoECAQQCA#imgrc=MzhdbYWGH3n1qM:

    • @rumipezo259
      @rumipezo259 5 лет назад

      Thks Mr. Andrew, I know that, I send you some images to your email, I know about the belt, I am talking about the fan just that. Thks for the diagrams

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  5 лет назад

      @@rumipezo259 water pump has its own pulley. The pulley for the fan has nothing else, just the fan

  • @mohamedamer8833
    @mohamedamer8833 8 лет назад +1

    What good brands do you recommend for fan clutch? I used febi ,good but in high traffic temp. goes around 100!!!

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  8 лет назад

      I don't have any recommendations, this is the first time Ive replaced the clutch on my MB, I got this one from Amazon, Mercedes-Benz Engine Fan Clutch Premium OEM Quality 1042000122 , Koolman brand.
      I can't say I'm very happy, I think the resistance is too high, I can hear the fan at hi RPM, and engine temp stays around 82 deg on the highway. In traffic comes up to about 90.
      My S320 has same engine , but the temperature is always at 90-92 deg, and it doesn't matter traffic or highway.
      Ive replaced the thermostat 2 years ago and i don't remember what opening temp it was. I know by spec it should be 87 deg C, but at the same parts store when i asked they offered me 2 thermostats, one 82 deg and another 89 deg. Now im thinking i might have installed a wrong thermostat.
      It feels like there should be a balance between the thermostat opening temp and the fan clutch.

    • @mohamedamer8833
      @mohamedamer8833 8 лет назад

      1- If the engine is hot,then the fan clutch will cut-in and you will hear the fan,I believe this is normal.
      2- Some indies here told me that they installed the fan clutch of E500,which cut-in at 82 C,earlier than our clutches,but it is way more expensive than normal ones
      3- Last year I replaced my thermostat too,I bought from local dealer here,I asked them if there were any options for the thermostat,they said no, only one option was available which opens at 87 C. When I bought it I opened the package and it was written on it 87 C.I don't know about 89 and 82 versions!!!
      Thanks and Good luck.

    • @andrewp3089
      @andrewp3089 8 лет назад

      Just got of the phone with the parts store, first choice they;ve offered me a 192F (89degC), they also have a 189F (87.2deg C), Last week I bought a 85degC thermostat from eBay.
      What I've realized need to ask when you buy the thermostat what's the opening temp, otherwise might end up with a wrong part, it will fit but it will not work right.
      I think i'll get the correct thermostat and will replace, it's only 23$.

    • @mohamedamer8833
      @mohamedamer8833 8 лет назад

      +Andrew Popov Are all these options OEM? Or after market?

    • @andrewp3089
      @andrewp3089 8 лет назад

      You know, it's an interesting question, I don't know.. It might be that for different markets MB would install different thermostats. I know that I enter my serial number into the parts book and the thermostat PN comes out and it indicates 87degC. Why would MB indicate this unless there are other options available, but since my car was made for Canada part book shows only one option.
      I can't imagine that a car shipped to middle east or Africa would have same cooling system heat rejection capacity as the one made for Canada.

  • @МанасСаденов
    @МанасСаденов 7 лет назад +1

    салам у меня проблема не включается вискамуфта как проверит помогите

    • @andrewp3089
      @andrewp3089 7 лет назад

      Манас Саденов
      Что значит не включается?

  • @robccampos18
    @robccampos18 7 лет назад

    I did this process and then when i went to start the car in wouldn't start. Did i do something wrong?

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  7 лет назад

      does it want to start, but can't? do you hear the starter engaging?
      check that you have installed the serpentine belt correct

    • @robccampos18
      @robccampos18 7 лет назад

      AndyP Mercedes-Benz Channel yes it wants but doesn't. Thanks for reply. Ill check.

  • @S1lverArr0w
    @S1lverArr0w 5 лет назад

    I've been subbed to your channel for a while now and I feel like I'm having an issue with my own C280. I've recently had the fan clutch replaced (2nd time now, first time I did myself with an aftermarket branded VC and it was not working) and the viscous seems to cut in as soon as you start from cold. It gets up to about 75c (or you drive it for about 10 minutes) before it frees off and hits about 90c and will stay there. It then locks up and will not unlock until you get to a much higher RPM (Like say 3500 - 4000). Is my new VC bad??

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  5 лет назад

      Hi silver arrow, i never looked close enough how VC operates. Never needed.
      Do you have any problems with coolant temperature?

    • @S1lverArr0w
      @S1lverArr0w 5 лет назад

      @@AndyPMercedesBenzChannel Nope temp will reach up to 90c and stay there regardless....Tbh when I was advised to change it the first time, I had no issues with overheating so i think my original one was fine...

    • @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel
      @AndyPMercedesBenzChannel  5 лет назад

      @@S1lverArr0w mainly you want to see that on the hwy coolant temp doesn't drop down too much, and then when you get in city traffic temperature doesn't go up. If coolant temperature is stable +/-5 deg id say the VC works ok.
      Also at hwy speed the fan should not make a lot of noise which means that the fan is spinning at high RPM leading to overcooling of engine. That was the problem with the VC I replaced first time, at highway speeds the car sounded like a helicopter.

    • @S1lverArr0w
      @S1lverArr0w 5 лет назад

      @@AndyPMercedesBenzChannel Thanks for the help man. I really appreciate it

  • @rebelmindes884
    @rebelmindes884 2 года назад

    Hi, MB lovers! I gues, youre MB assambled in Europe? Becouse in my MB the space between radiator and clutch is around 1 centimetre, and get fan shroud is terrible, for this i need remove two radiators 😤, my MB assambled in Japan.

  • @mshieh70
    @mshieh70 6 месяцев назад

    I have no idea what u r doing.