Want to be a London Cabbie? - Here's How! (FULL GUIDE)

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  • @TomtheTaxiDriver
    @TomtheTaxiDriver  11 месяцев назад +1

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  • @framedman
    @framedman 11 месяцев назад +54

    I've no interest in becoming a cabbie but I'd be very interested in seeing the even more in-depth video.

    • @framedman
      @framedman 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@jaseface6868 what are you talking about? Read the comment again. I am interested in the content, just not in becoming a cabbie. And besides, comments help the content maker. It helps with engagement and bumps the video up the algorithm. I love Tom, he makes great videos. That's why I'm commenting.

    • @framedman
      @framedman 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@jaseface6868 maybe you didn't watch till the end where Tom asked if people were keen on seeing an even more in-depth video on the process. My comment was in response to that.

    • @miguelcardoso1903
      @miguelcardoso1903 11 месяцев назад +2

      I would say the same. I live in a different country and I know I would never be able to be a London cabbie as another EU member citizen (thank you Brexit), but I feel like I'm fascinated by this process, and try to apply some notions and ideas on my city, that are definetivelly useful on my daily drives across that city

    • @CuntyMcShitballs100
      @CuntyMcShitballs100 10 месяцев назад +1

      This is about as in depth as it gets lol

    • @sebbehallin8067
      @sebbehallin8067 9 месяцев назад +1

      Same here, I just watched a 46 minute video of an application process of a job in a Country that i don´t live in. And it was joyous!

  • @WizAnn320
    @WizAnn320 11 месяцев назад +35

    Well done Tom very well made, well articulated and covers a hell of a lot

  • @JustDriveAmerica
    @JustDriveAmerica 11 месяцев назад +15

    Great video! I remember my days as a knowledge boy. It took me 4 and a half years to pass . I god redlined on 28, it was very upsetting. I flew through 21 though without any fails. I did not have a call over partner and did not go to any knowledge school, although I picked up the runs from WizAnn(very helpful). Since then I've never regretted the decision to become a London Cabbie. The best job in the world(probably).

  • @azizbass
    @azizbass 10 месяцев назад +4

    This brings back memories of my journey,Tom. But unfortunately it took me 5 years 8 months. 4 red lines 2 map tests 2 finals. I had a bad accident on my first motorbike, which was a huge setback. It took a year to recover from it, so i just revised what i did until I could get back on my bike again, always playing catchup due to life's challenges. In my time, you had to do a driving test too. They stopped that for a few years. I'm not sure if that part is coming back?
    Great content as usual. Now, with the freedom I have with the job, it's the best thing I've done. No regets, even though it was a tough journey for me.

  • @user-lf6ls9vb5y
    @user-lf6ls9vb5y 10 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks tom for the informative vid. Your a credit to the trade because of you i was at manor house station last xmas eve. Map test next week 🙏

  • @timveck2113
    @timveck2113 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thankyou for mentioning the Yellow Badge , I agree if starting the knowledge do the Green Badge , however i must say my yellow badge has served me well, and i am happy with it . Be Lucky

  • @phillmc84
    @phillmc84 11 месяцев назад +2

    Cheers Tom in 146 runs in as off today and enjoing it. The process is a slow burner im just waiting for a lot of it to click.

    • @nuckythompson835
      @nuckythompson835 11 месяцев назад +1

      It will mate. Just persist. It’ll all make sense. Be lucky

  • @benmurfitt8768
    @benmurfitt8768 11 месяцев назад +4

    Great video tom, im studying the knowledge learning the 4th book. Doing the runs first then points after. This video has great information and will help me with my studies in ideas on way to go around it 👍

  • @bradleyamos3642
    @bradleyamos3642 10 месяцев назад +1

    That was spot on Tom ..
    Exactly what new students need.

  • @sean_wfc
    @sean_wfc 10 месяцев назад +4

    I wonder how far we are from being able to use VR to learn the knowledge. Be cheaper and more efficient than cars and scooters etc

  • @BrockMak
    @BrockMak 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hospital to hospital would be huge. My company also do medical equipment or blood/tissue sample transfer that are paid into business accounts or taxi vouchers by the hospital. Those runs won't have passengers in it, but you may have to go so far as taking the item to a particular point within the hospital.

  • @LadySerenaKitty
    @LadySerenaKitty 10 месяцев назад

    I quite enjoy my job as an Uber driver in San Antonio. We don't have anything like The Knowledge but I am learning my way around SA. I've mostly got the freeways and the main cuts (like 151 or 90 between 1604 and 410). I learn as I go, and after doing this for a few months I can get to most of the popular destinations without GPS: Mariott Riverwalk and Grand Hyatt, Alamodome, Tower of the Americas, Northstar Mall, Airport, JW Mariott, Six Flags Fiesta.

  • @hublanderuk
    @hublanderuk 11 месяцев назад +2

    Good video maybe you should do a video of the first run and how it is called. Since it will have changed from the days of 1979 The Knowledge film. They went in depth on the first Run Manor House Station to Gibson Square. I bet the Thames Water Authority Stoke Newington pumping station may not be there now. 🙂

    • @deanokelly29
      @deanokelly29 7 месяцев назад

      It is it climbing centre

  • @Taxi_lad
    @Taxi_lad 11 месяцев назад +1

    Brilliant video Tom! Very well explained and love the way you've broken everything down! You actually make it feel a bit less daunting for someone who tries to look to far ahead! Only niggle, the map test is called the written test now. Probably because like you said, there's no map involved lol! But appreciate you taking so much time and effort for such a good video! Hopefully encourages more to take it up 👍

  • @Stephen_Lafferty
    @Stephen_Lafferty 11 месяцев назад +2

    A great amount of detail of the entire process - thank you, Tom! I would love to see more aspects covered in greater detail, particularly keeping each driver's Knowledge 'live'. How many cabbies continue to call their eighty daily runs and clock new points?

  • @quantumjank3091
    @quantumjank3091 10 месяцев назад

    Got some extra love for the London Cabbies after watching your vids man thanks. I was astounded by the 102 quid I paid going from Heathrow to my Hotel the one looking at Big Ben. But I had just had a hellish flight, I was tired, hungry all kinds of unhappy however despite the price I felt well looked after by that Cabbie. And I might have fallen asleep for half the journey after my flight so no real indicator of how long it took. I do remember something about 'that roads closed so this is this best way'.

  • @Beljus
    @Beljus 11 месяцев назад

    As an infojunkie, love all the knowledge you share. Living in Wycombe, I used to often spend whole days walking London streets so have a broad view. Sadly, mobility issues now limit my travels. (used to think taxis were only for rich people)

  • @topher.productions6490
    @topher.productions6490 11 месяцев назад +1

    I’ve been thinking about becoming a cabbie this is helpful

  • @sheilam4525
    @sheilam4525 11 месяцев назад

    This will be so helpful to anyone looking to go through the process. Well done, Tom.

  • @damianfuller74
    @damianfuller74 10 месяцев назад +1

    Really fascinating your vids. Love visiting London. Huge amounts of dedication to achieve the goal. Now....about that Stanford map behind you. Where can I get one? Cheers!

  • @shahd501
    @shahd501 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks Tom for promoting the knowledge through this video!!

  • @MacAJ1874
    @MacAJ1874 10 месяцев назад

    Just been sitting with Bob McCulloch from Edinburgh for a cup of tea and he’s showing me a photo of you with him and the sheep at the bridge. Bob helps me at the Edinburgh Taxi Academy Knowledge school.
    He says hello…

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  10 месяцев назад

      Top bloke! Was great to meet him on the sheep drive!

    • @MacAJ1874
      @MacAJ1874 10 месяцев назад

      I'm still learning from him... great for a tea and a chat... best regards, Alistair

  • @paulsexton2996
    @paulsexton2996 10 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video Tom, really appreciate all the time and effort you put into not only making the videos but the time taken editing
    too.
    I’d really like to to see the in-depth one (s) also
    I used to be one of the “enemy”( minicab) and find all your videos really interesting

  • @derekhorne8076
    @derekhorne8076 10 месяцев назад

    Hi Tom. Thanks for the video. I would very much be a passenger (I can't drive lol). I was born and raised in London but haven't lived there for over 30 years. However I love all your videos and this one was especially interesting. It's been great seeing what it takes to evonne a proper London cabbie and I would certainly be interested in seeing you go into in more depth.

  • @AnotherPointOfView944
    @AnotherPointOfView944 11 месяцев назад

    Fantastic video. So much good information Tom.
    You should be very proud of yourself. 🙂

  • @ianfowlef6423
    @ianfowlef6423 10 месяцев назад

    Loved the video tom, i would love you to go even deeper in to the process, im on the fence because of finding the time with a very young family

  • @littleMrBig
    @littleMrBig 11 месяцев назад +1

    Tom, this is lovely. Thank you for this in such great detail. Keep doing it. Keep well! Where do these 320 runs in the blue books originate from? Why are they as they are? What criteria lead to each start/end point to be chosen?

  • @GrahamPlays
    @GrahamPlays 11 месяцев назад

    Great stuff as usual Tom, would love a video on a breakdown of the jargon for Taxi drivers and the knowledge.

  • @BrockMak
    @BrockMak 11 месяцев назад

    12:01 I do the second method even though I don't drive due to shops being renovated and constant roadworks forcing detours.

  • @ChristosLouridas
    @ChristosLouridas 11 месяцев назад

    Always informative man love it. If I was in London and I was in a more chill stage of life who knows I would think about it. It's nice to get to know the area that way, I always admire your knowledge on that part. For now I'm in Greece need to focus how to get over there 😜

  • @clarenceishmael9615
    @clarenceishmael9615 11 месяцев назад +2

    So wish I had technology when I did it in 94.

  • @rajpillay
    @rajpillay 10 месяцев назад

    Hi Tom, you are a real inspiration and a wealth of knowledge. Could you possibly do a video or direct me to one on the cost of owning/leasing/hiring a LEVC? Thank you in advance.

  • @billcurry5592
    @billcurry5592 2 месяца назад

    Great information thanks Tom 👍🏻

  • @whkoh7619
    @whkoh7619 11 месяцев назад

    Tom - thanks, great informative video!

  • @BrucefromLondon
    @BrucefromLondon 4 месяца назад

    Great Video Tom.

  • @happyhermit2022
    @happyhermit2022 11 месяцев назад

    Great video and you made it very interesting thank you 👍

  • @Adrian-bt4nf
    @Adrian-bt4nf 21 час назад

    Just get a bloody sat nav 😂

  • @peteb6112
    @peteb6112 11 месяцев назад

    Very informative cheers Tom

  • @mousquetaire86
    @mousquetaire86 11 месяцев назад +1

    I was going to ask you on one of your foodie vids: how many restaurants, cafes, pubs, bars, etc are points of interest?

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      Everything can be considered as a poi

  • @davidsnuggs7623
    @davidsnuggs7623 10 месяцев назад

    Big respect 30years ago got the Mo ped the runs and all the rest but it wasn’t for me nearly froze to death in the snow on the bike just wondering did you use word association when doing the runs and points

  • @michaelorton6808
    @michaelorton6808 11 месяцев назад +1

    very interesting Tom ill stick to be retired.

    • @MrJohnQCitizen
      @MrJohnQCitizen 11 месяцев назад

      Sounds like you've got a headstart

  • @InclusiveDriving
    @InclusiveDriving 10 месяцев назад

    In the driving instructor industry, instructors train other instructors on a one-to-one basis. It seems you might be missing an opportunity, to actually become a mentor and make money from guiding wannabee cabbies through the knowledge with in-car training.
    We also often do "sit-ins" where a trainee sits in on a lesson as an observer, with the learner's permission. That's probably not possible for cab work, but perhaps TFL should think about it as a training method: after all, they should be encouraging the best of the best.

  • @user-ms9qu6mw8x
    @user-ms9qu6mw8x 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Tom I'm new to the channel and subscribed:)
    Can you recommend a video editing program? Preferably that you would use if you do it yourself?
    Second question is if you wanted to get an editor for you, and wanted to post 30-45 minute videos ready for RUclips, how much would you be looking at paying an editor? Any info Soo helpful
    Thanks very much and keep it up!

  • @zulfqarali905
    @zulfqarali905 11 месяцев назад

    Hi Tom keep it up you are doing a great job and having fun making some brilliant videos superstar Ali Walsall west midlands england junction 10 m6 Walsall churckery

  • @larsmenken2679
    @larsmenken2679 11 месяцев назад

    Are you going through the practical next steps? What/ Hodvdo you go on after badge day? Picking up a cab? …

  • @london-living
    @london-living 10 месяцев назад

    I got red lined twice.took me 5 and a half years to pass.

  • @cmkservices
    @cmkservices 10 месяцев назад

    Tom I see your not doing bookings on your website, I try every time when in London to find you.

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  10 месяцев назад

      That’s correct. I’m not taking bookings at this time

  • @notmenotme614
    @notmenotme614 3 месяца назад

    Obviously growing up with local knowledge will help. But how many get into the job after moving to London from other parts of the UK?

  • @danielzhangtirta5618
    @danielzhangtirta5618 11 месяцев назад +1

    Are green/yellow badge drivers allowed to do jobs in each other's areas? E.g. a green badge driver getting a job from Central London to a yellow badge area, then pick up a passenger immediately from that area back into Central London, and vice versa

    • @russldntaxi
      @russldntaxi 11 месяцев назад +5

      Green can work anywhere within tfl area. Yellow can work their sector only. If yellow drops out of their sector they must go back to their sector for more work

  • @peternouwen
    @peternouwen Месяц назад

    Just wondering: Do you have to have a British passport or be a permanent resident (or the like) to be able to take the exams?
    (Or, same question, different, practically complete nutcracker perspective; can I as a Non-Brit apply, show up for every exam, pass them all and at stage 7 say "Well that was fun! Let's do The Knowledge of Tokyo now...")

  • @ZDProds-c8p
    @ZDProds-c8p 11 месяцев назад +2

    Does your appearance in appearances matter in any way? Why the forced suit etc?

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      It does , if you don't turn up in the required attire you won't be seen

  • @danidriver4438
    @danidriver4438 4 месяца назад

    Where is it possible to buy or download or borrow the Blue Book? Just to try and challenge myself before applying?

  • @sinanyildiz2066
    @sinanyildiz2066 10 месяцев назад

    Hi Tom,
    I really appreciate your videos
    Could you please advise me on any courses in London .
    Thanks in advance.

  • @Finggy
    @Finggy 10 месяцев назад +1

    Realistically is it still worth doing now

  • @mr_glasgow84
    @mr_glasgow84 9 месяцев назад

    Great video. What's the average age of those passing the Knowledge and becoming a cabbie?

  • @mohamudshosman972
    @mohamudshosman972 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks tom i am doing the blue book now. Do i also need to memorize the links and the reverse 🥰

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  11 месяцев назад

      I didn’t. That will all come in time naturally when you obsess over P2P

  • @woodhouseian1
    @woodhouseian1 7 месяцев назад

    What happpened to the practical driving test for taxis? Did they scrap that?

  • @moodystreet76
    @moodystreet76 10 месяцев назад

    Learning the wizann way; does anyone know is it important to learn the link runs? And if so, is it best to learnt the links straight away?

  • @gmurphy8634
    @gmurphy8634 11 месяцев назад +1

    My application has been in since may and they haven't decided wether i can start 😞

    • @CabbieGaryB1986
      @CabbieGaryB1986 11 месяцев назад +1

      Contact one of the Taxi organisations - LTDA, LCDC or UCG. They will chase up your application on your behalf.

    • @abdilatifnur6886
      @abdilatifnur6886 11 месяцев назад

      Submitted my application 19 September and still waiting for a response

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      Hopefully you're all still doing your runs, providing you don't have any past criminal history or medical history which may prevent you in being licensed?

  • @michaelmcdonald6072
    @michaelmcdonald6072 9 месяцев назад

    Yeaaaaaa🎉🎉🎉🎉

  •  10 месяцев назад

    Does Google streetview help? Is it used anywhere in the process?

  • @Tylers_FandG
    @Tylers_FandG 8 месяцев назад

    Hey Tom, if you wanted to without breaking the law, can you use the taxi for personal use such as travelling with your family or no

  • @Wtizreal
    @Wtizreal 2 месяца назад

    is their a 80 20 rule when learning points

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  2 месяца назад +1

      Yep…. Learn the most asked ones first, because statistically they are most likely to be asked

  • @garymuckle1002
    @garymuckle1002 11 месяцев назад

    hi Tom, do you not have to do a driving test anymore?

  • @JoshuaHall72
    @JoshuaHall72 7 месяцев назад

    I’m 17 and I want to become a black cab driver. What would be the best way to get the badge as soon as possible?

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  7 месяцев назад

      Can apply when you are 18. Can complete The Knowledge anytime after that. But you can only receive your badge and start working from age 21

  • @AnotherPointOfView944
    @AnotherPointOfView944 11 месяцев назад

    Does SatNav make a difference these days, or not?

  • @MrJohnQCitizen
    @MrJohnQCitizen 11 месяцев назад

    How are you meant to earn a living whilst training? I'm sure I just heard Tom say he was out learning on his bike 3 days a week!

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад +1

      Some ppl work full time and do the knowledge part time, or vice versa

  • @leonardhoward2125
    @leonardhoward2125 6 месяцев назад

    Tom do they still take a Driving test at the end

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  6 месяцев назад

      No. TfL put it on hold. Technically as part of my licence, they are able to call me up at anytime for me to take mine (it was scrapped when I was on The Knowledge). Despite being a cabbie for 6 years 😂

    • @leonardhoward2125
      @leonardhoward2125 6 месяцев назад

      @@TomtheTaxiDriver many thanks be Lucky watched your video and their was no mention of the test best wishes Len

  • @andyturner7963
    @andyturner7963 11 месяцев назад

    You say you get a taxi straight away do u need to pay for them if you rent is there a deposit is all the paperwork done before you start

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      No deposit when renting a cab, the rental will hold onto your taxi bill as deposit

  • @sam-elite484
    @sam-elite484 6 месяцев назад

    Hi Tom I’m considering applying as black cabbie but I have 6 points on my driving license already before applying. Will I still be able to apply?

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  6 месяцев назад

      This is all as far as I understand. I would recommend asking the LTDA (licensed taxi drivers association) they used to offer free membership for knowledge students and they will be able to give you definitive answer here 👍🏻
      My interpretation is…
      whilst studying, it shouldn’t matter and you will be able to apply (I think). You have to keep them updated if you accrue more. And depending on what the 6 points were for will determine if you have can drive a taxi when you get your badge (unless they have gone from your licence)
      For example. 3-6 points for driving without due care and attention/considration for other road users is deemed serious and can give you a temporary ban (3 points) or 5 years (6 points) if you are already a taxi driver.
      If you had 3 points for speeding followed by another 3 points for speeding, this should not matter 👍🏻

    • @sam-elite484
      @sam-elite484 6 месяцев назад

      @@TomtheTaxiDriver I got 6 points for having the phone in my hand about a year ago. A cyclist recorded it and sent to police. The points expire in 2 years I think. Would I still be able to apply in this case ?

  • @edinburghandbeyond
    @edinburghandbeyond 10 месяцев назад

    Just, dont get caught on your phone or good bye license

  • @ianstretch6815
    @ianstretch6815 11 месяцев назад

    Great video mate. Pls pop down to my pub bridge house Little Venice - I know you’ve been past 😃. Nice vegan burger for ya pal

  • @CallieMasters5000
    @CallieMasters5000 11 месяцев назад

    Or sign up with Uber and buy a sat nav.?

    • @user-lf6ls9vb5y
      @user-lf6ls9vb5y 10 месяцев назад +1

      And be a slave on £10 per hour great

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      Can't use bus lanes / bus gates , taxi ranks . Are liable to congestion charge and ulez. Uber and other firms take 30% cut off every job you do , on an already low fare . If you're happy with that then crack on .
      Oh and any little complaint you get wether it's true or false you will get deactivated on the Uber app.

  • @johnny207
    @johnny207 10 месяцев назад

    Hey Tom, great vid as usual. I really enjoyed doing the Knowledge, I’d do it again in a heartbeat. Just one thing, don’t you have to do the driving test anymore? Oh, I knocked it out in 2 yrs 1 month in 1999. 😊

  • @truckerbradd
    @truckerbradd 11 месяцев назад

    Is this just London cabbies or is it anywhere within the uk?

    • @nuckythompson835
      @nuckythompson835 11 месяцев назад

      Just London mate. Nowhere else in the world does the knowledge like London taxi drivers

    • @phillmc84
      @phillmc84 11 месяцев назад +2

      Some local authorities make you do a knowledge test to be a Hackney driver but nothing like the London knowledge.

  • @ruadhagainagaidheal9398
    @ruadhagainagaidheal9398 10 месяцев назад +1

    NO NO NO ! Don’t try to skive off the cold and wet by doing it in a car ! You can’t ever be a real cab driver unless you spend at least three freezing winters on your moped. Sliding on your face down an ice covered hill at midnight with sparks from your bike following you down and threatening to ignite the leaking fuel is how the soul of a cabbie is tempered. Trying to make notes on a freezing, soggy notepad with agonised frost bitten fingers is mandatory. There’s no Temperament Test nowadays so some real pain is needed to weed out the ‘Fair Weather Knowledge Boys’, or they’ll become snowflakes and ‘Fair Weather Cab Drivers’. Since the introduction of power steering back in the early ‘80s, plus a working heater, electric windows and air con (you’ve already got free air con - open the bleedin’ window) we’re breeding generations of softies.
    In passing, the Blue book has never been blue-it was pink when I started the knowledge in the mid ‘70s. The 1930-50s comedian Max Miller used to ask his audience (including The Queen) if they wanted the white book with the clean jokes or the blue book- the filthy ones. Our Blue Book is the filthy one.

  • @greezieeez7796
    @greezieeez7796 10 месяцев назад

    not worth all the hassle just get a pco licence

  • @nicky29031977
    @nicky29031977 10 месяцев назад

    Aren't black cabbies shitting it because of uber???

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  10 месяцев назад

      10-11 years since they’ve come to London and their prices are pretty similar to taxis in town… I’m not scared…

    • @nicky29031977
      @nicky29031977 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@TomtheTaxiDriver But UBER's ,who have sat navs, and can also come to your specific point via an sms, will render the knowledge test, and by extension black cabbies, unnecessary within a few years at the most.

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      Uber aren't the biggest problem, black cab biggest problem now is road access and vehicle fleets beginning to fall

  • @mrp7555
    @mrp7555 10 месяцев назад

    Only worth it if you can make genuine living out it. And living in London. Sounds doubtful

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      A lot of cabbies live outside London now and commute in , just like many other commuters I suppose

  • @keith3390
    @keith3390 11 месяцев назад

    You didn’t mention a driving test is that not required now before passing out ?

    • @TomtheTaxiDriver
      @TomtheTaxiDriver  11 месяцев назад

      TfL are still awaiting a provider/providing it in-house. My bill has a condition that I can be recalled at any time to take a driving test.
      TfL also get a hard time from PH unions who don’t want the driving test as it’s a hurdle for their drivers they could do without. So currently all up in the air.

    • @keith3390
      @keith3390 10 месяцев назад +1

      I would have thought someone’s ability to drive a cab competently and correctly is just as important as their knowledge of London, as you know it’s totally different to driving a car, my knowledge school kept emphasising that passenger safety and comfort was as important as taking the shortest route.
      Sounds like TFL cutting corners to save money.

    • @lloydeelloyd
      @lloydeelloyd 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@keith3390The major difference over a car would be the turning circle so yes makes you right