FANTASTIC! I remember watching this edition of 20/20 while visitng my Grandparents in Oklahoma during the summer months. I remember DISTINCTLY the cut away to the Sex Pistols doing their bit, and I thought, "Man! What great music!" I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate you posting this. I even called the studios that did 20/20, asking to research the archives to get ahold of this clip... incredibly expensive to have that done. On a whim I searched on RUclips... THANKS!
It's really simple, kids. Extreme, rebellious, dangerous music has always existed, it's the labels that change. Who was the first "punk" band? The first band labeled as "punk", of course! I'm not going to hold your hands, kids. All of the answers you seek are in the books written by the people who were there and involved directly. This is a great post! It's likely that 20/20 was responsible for all of those goofy "punk" Halloween costumes that year! Fun memories!
@johnnyalt those bands were all underground here, none really caught on in the mainstream, at least not in the seventies. The Misfits didn't even become popular until the late 80's, after they were long gone, and only among skaters. I knew about the Misfits, the Dead Kennedys, and the Circle Jerks at that time but hadnt heard them because it wasn't easy finding stuff like that. I was lucky to even stumble upon the Sex Pistols and the Butthole Surfers, and both were from badly dubbed cassettes.
@vertrees2 P.S... after reading some of the comments below. Lets not forget the New York Dolls, MC5, and The Ramones and other musical talent that influenced the likes of The Clash, The Sex Pistols and other great artists. It was great growing up in that era...
The stuff didn't materialize out of thin air, it evolved from what was going on before. In the UK there was the pub rock scene of Dr. Feelgood, Brinsley Schwartz, etc. and in the U.S. you had the likes of the New York Dolls, the Stooges and MC5. All predate both the Ramones and the Sex Pistols.
The immediate precursor to UK punk were the Dolls (as you say) and also Richard Hell. The Sex Pistols manager/stylist Malcolm McClaren worked with both the NY Dolls and Hell before returning to England to form a punk band in London. There is no denying that there were pre-1976 bands that fit the 1976 definition of punk rock and there's no denying that the main influences of the mid-70's punk phenomena are American BUT, it is also true that it wasn't called punk rock until 1975. The first album of the mid-70's GLOBAL punk rock explosion was the "Ramones" (1976). Let's keep this discussion going...
Awsome find,Thanks for Sharing!!! And to you guys,in Those Days,They were Considered Punk,as were Alot of bands which you wouldnt necsisarily "Call"..."Punk" Shit,The POLICE & Even the Cars to a Degree were Called Punk!!! Or New Wave ect..ect..Its hard to Imagine but the 1st song on the 1st POLICE record "Next to you" Or IMHO Anything from,the CARS were Really Different at the time they came out,I wasnt even Born yet,not till the end of 1979.They both had "PUNKISH" tunes on their 1st few
The Ramones pre-date The Sex Pistols by two years. They were one of the earliest punk rock bands, and arguably THE founding punk band (depending on how define it and far you go back...The Dictators, Stooges, MC5). Do your research before making a fool of yourself.
I think it is necessary to post this segment to show how clueless the US "mainstream" was then for what was the most part fringe music. Pretty much everybody DJ's , the industry fans of rock were into artist proficiency (aka Progressive Rock) 20 minute guitar, keyboard solos and wishing the Beatles would get back together and Woodstock would happen again. Punk/New Wave was to the mainstream US rock audience Sid Vicious "killing" his girlfriend them himself
Ramones are considered hugely important because: 1) They released the first album of the mid-70's punk rock explosion. 2) They had a significant influence on the emerging UK punk scene. 3) They influenced thousands of U.S. bands to form and were a huge influence in the creation and development of U.S. hardcore.
Hate to have to break the news, but punk HAD BEEN present in the U.S. for years BEFORE the Sex Pistols came over. Guess they never heard of MC5 or The New York Dolls..lol. Someone should of told this reporter to look back into the New York music scene of 1975. And just so that people know (although I completely agree with Trashhley's comment: "who really gives a fuck who started what..." ), both American and Brit musicians of the mid to late 60's and early 70's can claim to be punk's influences.
The immediate precursor to UK punk were the Dolls (as you say) and also Richard Hell. The Sex Pistols manager/stylist Malcolm McClaren worked with both the NY Dolls and Hell before returning to England to form a punk band in London. There is no denying that there were pre-1976 bands that fit the 1976 definition of punk rock and there's no denying that the main influences of the mid-70's punk phenomena are American BUT, it is also true that it wasn't called punk rock until 1975. The first album of the mid-70's GLOBAL punk rock explosion was the "Ramones" (1976). Let's keep this discussion going...
idk man, im skeptical. obvs no single band STARTED punk. But theres a reason punk happened when it did, these bands started coming out in the late 60s, Stooges, MC5, etc... so why didn't it explode then? the Ramones. The Ramones started touring in 75 i think. One year after forming. By 77 mainstream became aware of this new phenomenon. Ramones did not create punk, but they were the catalyst to its existence as an individual form of rock. The single most important band IMO (:
Also it necessary for another reason in that this was fall '79' pre MTV, Synthpop, New Romantic which became what many consider '80's New Wave now. That 80's "New Wave" definition is hated by many (and not used in the UK at all) because it had little to do with Punk but it made sense to the US mainstream audience who had missed out on Punk. Synthpop, Computers, new romantic fashions new sound was a radical break from the '70s literally a "New Wave"
compare this of the late 70s to elvis presley in 1977 last concert.. and your going to say elvis presley was more like soft music... but would had been awesome to see elvis presley take the advantage of the new electro beat music style.. like electric guitars like these... I gues levis presey wanted to make his concert and music sound like the 60s old times.
70's Elvis is completely unimportant. Elvis Presley's contribution to rock music is that he introduced rythm'n'blues to white audiences in the 50's AND he contributed to the development of rockabilly in the 50's. This allowed artists like Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent etc, etc to become popular and to expand the genre. Ultimately, Elvis made white rock'n'roll mainstream and opened the doors to every white rocker that followed. His popularity also exposed white audiences to black rockers (Chuck Berry, Chubby Checker, Little Richard etc etc)... thank god that he did!!
You should have stopped while you were ahead (or at least less behind). "I Fought the Law" was originally written and preformed by Sonny Curtis and The Crickets (Buddy Holly's former band) in 1959. This information isn't even hard to find anymore. All you had to do is google "i fought the law" and you would have known that. This is exactly what I am talking about when I suggested you read first, speak second.
Radio Birdman pre-dated the 1976 gloabal punk rock explosion and so (for better or for worse) are generally referred to as a pre-punk band. My question to the writers of this piece is. "What about The Saints?"
i don't know why music has to be devided up into tribes like punk,rockabilly etc.of course there are different styles but if you love a band just enjoy their music!I thought the footage here was fantastic and all the bands here just great!
Using the Sex Pistols as your example of what punk is shows your lack of knowledge of the music's history, and is a surest sign of a poser. Punk had started with the Ramones two years before the Sex Pistols even formed. And the Ramones DID play love songs, albeit non-standard ones. Punk never limited subject matter, it was about stripping down the music to its simple rock roots. It was inspired by bands like the New York Dolls, The Stooges, MC5, Rocket from the Tombs.
Coming from a guy named slayerrules114? Oh that is rich. The only way you could make a statement like that is if "Rock the Casbah" is the extent of what you know about The Clash. Listen to The Clash's first album then come back and post your apology.
talking heads? the clash? punk? both media darlings...both bands were/are shit....once again the media gets it wrong and now they peddle punk..sanitized....ugh Black Randy,we hardly knew ye!
at the begining of the video he says punk didnt catch on in america wat bout ramones new york dolls misfits iggy pop mc5/ ramones practicaly evn inspired sex pistols and the clash in a way they evn say it in the ramones end of the centurey documentery
In the UK and in Europe in the 70's, punk became a huge musical and cultural phenomena. It remained relatively underground in the U.S. until U.S. hardcore started to become popular in the early 80's.
Again you show only knowledge of the mass media version of punk. I mention the Ramones because you held up the Pistols as the gold standard of punk, which is ridiculous since punk had already been established and the Pistols were IMITATING bands they admired. Punk did NOT hate all rock. They hated stuff like arena rock and prog rock. They loved rockabilly and 60s garage bands, and they frequently covered them. Stop getting your punk history from MTV. SERIOUSLY...read a book!
This is bullshit. Punk, just like Rock n Roll, started in the USA. Almost none of those bands existed until they saw the Ramones play on July 4th 1976 at the Roundhouse. Almost all of them admit that.
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. I must have hit a nerve since your arguments have devolved to off topic attempted taunts and internet screaming. You clearly DON'T know more about this or you would never have made idiotic statements like "Rockabilly coverd punk". Unlike arguments of taste, this is an unambiguously false statement as it would require time travel in order to be true.
The clash had NOTHING on the Ramones....no1 did. The Ramones played rockNroll that wasn't political. Just like in the mid 60s ,when left-leaning propaganda infiltrated rock it ruined it, same w/ the newwave/punkrock.... in 77 the Ramones leave home & later w/ rocket to russia they output The apex of rock @ that time, & among the U.k bands Skrewdriver all skrewed up was far superior to the pistols & clash ...,
@skinheadfred94 but the ramones didn't even wan't to be called "punk" before the ramones it was the stooges, & television. some people debate The Who as the first punk band. the sex pistols developed in 1974/1975, but malcom mclarren developed it his way before john lydon joined shortly, but giving his part of the music as well
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WOW actually raced home from church to see this episode!!!
Changed my life.
You never went back to that church did you?
FANTASTIC! I remember watching this edition of 20/20 while visitng my Grandparents in Oklahoma during the summer months. I remember DISTINCTLY the cut away to the Sex Pistols doing their bit, and I thought, "Man! What great music!" I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate you posting this. I even called the studios that did 20/20, asking to research the archives to get ahold of this clip... incredibly expensive to have that done. On a whim I searched on RUclips... THANKS!
Thanx dude,blank generation punk,the only wave of Punk that ever had the 'machine' in a sweat eh!
Awsome find,Thanks for Sharing!!!
It's really simple, kids. Extreme, rebellious, dangerous music has always existed, it's the labels that change. Who was the first "punk" band? The first band labeled as "punk", of course! I'm not going to hold your hands, kids. All of the answers you seek are in the books written by the people who were there and involved directly.
This is a great post! It's likely that 20/20 was responsible for all of those goofy "punk" Halloween costumes that year! Fun memories!
The first band to be labelled as punk was the Ramones in N.Y.C.
>i still love punk.
@johnnyalt those bands were all underground here, none really caught on in the mainstream, at least not in the seventies. The Misfits didn't even become popular until the late 80's, after they were long gone, and only among skaters. I knew about the Misfits, the Dead Kennedys, and the Circle Jerks at that time but hadnt heard them because it wasn't easy finding stuff like that. I was lucky to even stumble upon the Sex Pistols and the Butthole Surfers, and both were from badly dubbed cassettes.
Still cyco after all these years! SxTx! Imma go watch some Quincy now. 😀
@vertrees2 P.S... after reading some of the comments below. Lets not forget the New York Dolls, MC5, and The Ramones and other musical talent that influenced the likes of The Clash, The Sex Pistols and other great artists. It was great growing up in that era...
We can use another one of these, but there's no anger towards commercial pop and rap, which has me really worried
The youth of today have been anesthetized. Fortunately there are still some freaks and visionaries lurking in the underground.
1:07 That's Greg Geller He signed Elvis Costello & Nick Lowe. A Good A&R man.
Clash, Sex Pistols, Ramones, Clash and Dickies FOREVER!
The stuff didn't materialize out of thin air, it evolved from what was going on before. In the UK there was the pub rock scene of Dr. Feelgood, Brinsley Schwartz, etc. and in the U.S. you had the likes of the New York Dolls, the Stooges and MC5. All predate both the Ramones and the Sex Pistols.
The immediate precursor to UK punk were the Dolls (as you say) and also Richard Hell. The Sex Pistols manager/stylist Malcolm McClaren worked with both the NY Dolls and Hell before returning to England to form a punk band in London.
There is no denying that there were pre-1976 bands that fit the 1976 definition of punk rock and there's no denying that the main influences of the mid-70's punk phenomena are American BUT, it is also true that it wasn't called punk rock until 1975. The first album of the mid-70's GLOBAL punk rock explosion was the "Ramones" (1976).
Let's keep this discussion going...
We had punk rock bands in Southern California in the mid-70s!
Awsome find,Thanks for Sharing!!!
And to you guys,in Those Days,They were Considered Punk,as were Alot of bands which you wouldnt necsisarily "Call"..."Punk" Shit,The POLICE & Even the Cars to a Degree were Called Punk!!! Or New Wave ect..ect..Its hard to Imagine but the 1st song on the 1st POLICE record "Next to you" Or IMHO Anything from,the CARS were Really Different at the time they came out,I wasnt even Born yet,not till the end of 1979.They both had "PUNKISH" tunes on their 1st few
Some of the above bands that you mention that were called punk, were only called punk in the U.S.
I have the audio of this on a cassette, recorded in 1979.
I will buy that from you for 30 bux
to me this is sort of in the last days that Punk was still really interesting, because there was so much variety in the scene.
I believe your right. Have you seen the documentary about them recently?
I loved seeing the footage of Joey dressing up like The New York Dolls.
The Ramones pre-date The Sex Pistols by two years. They were one of the earliest punk rock bands, and arguably THE founding punk band (depending on how define it and far you go back...The Dictators, Stooges, MC5).
Do your research before making a fool of yourself.
I think it is necessary to post this segment to show how clueless the US "mainstream" was then for what was the most part fringe music. Pretty much everybody DJ's , the industry fans of rock were into artist proficiency (aka Progressive Rock) 20 minute guitar, keyboard solos and wishing the Beatles would get back together and Woodstock would happen again. Punk/New Wave was to the mainstream US rock audience Sid Vicious "killing" his girlfriend them himself
The Ramones were great, however i think there are many bands during that time that deserved just as much recognition as the Ramones did.
Ramones are considered hugely important because:
1) They released the first album of the mid-70's punk rock explosion.
2) They had a significant influence on the emerging UK punk scene.
3) They influenced thousands of U.S. bands to form and were a huge influence in the creation and development of U.S. hardcore.
Hate to have to break the news, but punk HAD BEEN present in the U.S. for years BEFORE the Sex Pistols came over. Guess they never heard of MC5 or The New York Dolls..lol.
Someone should of told this reporter to look back into the New York music scene of 1975. And just so that people know (although I completely agree with Trashhley's comment: "who really gives a fuck who started what..." ), both American and Brit musicians of the mid to late 60's and early 70's can claim to be punk's influences.
The immediate precursor to UK punk were the Dolls (as you say) and also Richard Hell. The Sex Pistols manager/stylist Malcolm McClaren worked with both the NY Dolls and Hell before returning to England to form a punk band in London.
There is no denying that there were pre-1976 bands that fit the 1976 definition of punk rock and there's no denying that the main influences of the mid-70's punk phenomena are American BUT, it is also true that it wasn't called punk rock until 1975. The first album of the mid-70's GLOBAL punk rock explosion was the "Ramones" (1976).
Let's keep this discussion going...
The blatant misinformation about the clash-lmao
Listen to the disdain in his voice when he says it.
Or punk being invented in Britain
i mite be a biased brisbane boy but I'll add the saints to any origin of punk list
@ 1:13 david lee roth was right ... music critics back then DID look like elvis costello.
Hey! This is very funny. Thanks?
idk man, im skeptical. obvs no single band STARTED punk. But theres a reason punk happened when it did, these bands started coming out in the late 60s, Stooges, MC5, etc... so why didn't it explode then? the Ramones. The Ramones started touring in 75 i think. One year after forming. By 77 mainstream became aware of this new phenomenon. Ramones did not create punk, but they were the catalyst to its existence as an individual form of rock. The single most important band IMO (:
ramones was the first punk band then came the sex pistols
Looking for a source video file of this segment; let me know if you have one that you can share. Willing to "return the favour" so to speak...
Also it necessary for another reason in that this was fall '79' pre MTV, Synthpop, New Romantic which became what many consider '80's New Wave now. That 80's "New Wave" definition is hated by many (and not used in the UK at all) because it had little to do with Punk but it made sense to the US mainstream audience who had missed out on Punk. Synthpop, Computers, new romantic fashions new sound was a radical break from the '70s literally a "New Wave"
compare this of the late 70s to elvis presley in 1977 last concert.. and your going to say elvis presley was more like soft music... but would had been awesome to see elvis presley take the advantage of the new electro beat music style.. like electric guitars like these... I gues levis presey wanted to make his concert and music sound like the 60s old times.
70's Elvis is completely unimportant. Elvis Presley's contribution to rock music is that he introduced rythm'n'blues to white audiences in the 50's AND he contributed to the development of rockabilly in the 50's. This allowed artists like Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent etc, etc to become popular and to expand the genre. Ultimately, Elvis made white rock'n'roll mainstream and opened the doors to every white rocker that followed. His popularity also exposed white audiences to black rockers (Chuck Berry, Chubby Checker, Little Richard etc etc)... thank god that he did!!
Love the UK Subs
@yyy333 Obviously a bunch of stuff, including this 20/20 piece was from an VHS tape someone had laying around. The talk show host was Tom Snyder.
love video,brings back memories.
Google Phil symonds punk,there's some punk stuff there.
true but they remained a `garageband`in the sense they became a technically polished live act
You should have stopped while you were ahead (or at least less behind).
"I Fought the Law" was originally written and preformed by Sonny Curtis and The Crickets (Buddy Holly's former band) in 1959.
This information isn't even hard to find anymore. All you had to do is google "i fought the law" and you would have known that.
This is exactly what I am talking about when I suggested you read first, speak second.
MC5 says hold my beer
Well seeing as how the Stray Cats (part of the neo rockabilly scene) covered I Fought the Law, I think my false statement is TRUE.
What is your "false statement"?
crap! punk started in New York
True
what about radio birdman.
Radio Birdman pre-dated the 1976 gloabal punk rock explosion and so (for better or for worse) are generally referred to as a pre-punk band. My question to the writers of this piece is. "What about The Saints?"
Is this a motherfucking GioGio reference!?
i don't know why music has to be devided up into tribes like punk,rockabilly etc.of course there are different styles but if you love a band just enjoy their music!I thought the footage here was fantastic and all the bands here just great!
Dont think so, where can i see it?
Using the Sex Pistols as your example of what punk is shows your lack of knowledge of the music's history, and is a surest sign of a poser.
Punk had started with the Ramones two years before the Sex Pistols even formed. And the Ramones DID play love songs, albeit non-standard ones. Punk never limited subject matter, it was about stripping down the music to its simple rock roots. It was inspired by bands like the New York Dolls, The Stooges, MC5, Rocket from the Tombs.
Coming from a guy named slayerrules114? Oh that is rich.
The only way you could make a statement like that is if "Rock the Casbah" is the extent of what you know about The Clash. Listen to The Clash's first album then come back and post your apology.
The clash were commies, thank God skrewdriver came along!
@Horsemanray Hahha true.
First wave punk except ramones and sex pistols sucked but you gotta respect it for what it is cause they paved the way for 80s hardcore
a british phenomenon? wtf? jeeze no one really didnt know about THE FUCKING RAMONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
talking heads? the clash? punk? both media darlings...both bands were/are shit....once again the media gets it wrong and now they peddle punk..sanitized....ugh
Black Randy,we hardly knew ye!
Debbie Harry is hot
Listen to Bastard Creations's page for underground hardcore/horror punk from southern california!
Why am I watching this?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Nobody knows!
at the begining of the video he says punk didnt catch on in america wat bout ramones new york dolls misfits iggy pop mc5/ ramones practicaly evn inspired sex pistols and the clash in a way they evn say it in the ramones end of the centurey documentery
In the UK and in Europe in the 70's, punk became a huge musical and cultural phenomena. It remained relatively underground in the U.S. until U.S. hardcore started to become popular in the early 80's.
Punk started in NY not England. The English bands popularized it
@Hucklebillyjones
I love the Ramones. But the Sex Pistols never made impact on me.
Not everyone likes the same thing!
ha what's with all that weird shit at the end?
The yanks just never got it!
Punk rock to me was takeing lots of speed and going to work
@JAMEY138 W.O.W :)
Again you show only knowledge of the mass media version of punk.
I mention the Ramones because you held up the Pistols as the gold standard of punk, which is ridiculous since punk had already been established and the Pistols were IMITATING bands they admired.
Punk did NOT hate all rock. They hated stuff like arena rock and prog rock. They loved rockabilly and 60s garage bands, and they frequently covered them.
Stop getting your punk history from MTV.
SERIOUSLY...read a book!
So what?
@mantuoir Yes, they were very talented and smart! London Calling is on my top 10 albums of all time!
This is bullshit. Punk, just like Rock n Roll, started in the USA. Almost none of those bands existed until they saw the Ramones play on July 4th 1976 at the Roundhouse. Almost all of them admit that.
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
I must have hit a nerve since your arguments have devolved to off topic attempted taunts and internet screaming.
You clearly DON'T know more about this or you would never have made idiotic statements like "Rockabilly coverd punk". Unlike arguments of taste, this is an unambiguously false statement as it would require time travel in order to be true.
BULLSHIT!!!..still didnt get it...
The clash had NOTHING on the Ramones....no1 did. The Ramones played rockNroll that wasn't political. Just like in the mid 60s ,when left-leaning propaganda infiltrated rock it ruined it, same w/ the newwave/punkrock.... in 77 the Ramones leave home & later w/ rocket to russia they output The apex of rock @ that time, & among the U.k bands Skrewdriver all skrewed up was far superior to the pistols & clash ...,
Stupid documentary: isnt not the true godfathers of punk! The Ramones!!!! The ramones was after of Pistols!!!! luispacheco28
The Ramones were NOT after the Pistols
@skinheadfred94 but the ramones didn't even wan't to be called "punk" before the ramones it was the stooges, & television. some people debate The Who as the first punk band. the sex pistols developed in 1974/1975, but malcom mclarren developed it his way before john lydon joined shortly, but giving his part of the music as well
The very first punk band of the global, mid-70's punk rock explosion was the Ramones.