Dialogue With Other Denominations | Fr. Andrew Cuneo
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- Fr. Andrew Cuneo is the pastor at St. Katherine Orthodox Church in Carlsbad, California.
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God is love.
We all fall short and sin.
Love is just and merciful.
Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged.
Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and for us to be regenerated.
If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin.
The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die.
We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan).
Commandments aren't have to's, they are what we do because we actually want God's direction and It's what fulfills us.
You can't be born again without the desire to honor God. (Works based salvation "Christians" and "lawless Christians" are both wrong.)
We love because God first loved us.
Jesus is God, the Son, "the first and the last", God along with God the Father "the Lord God", this title is mentioned with being tied to God in Isaiah 44:6-8, and that same is sent along with the Lord God's Spirit in Isaiah 48:11-16.
Jesus further claims this title also in Revelation 1:8-17.
Leave catholicism/orthodox/protestant churches that preach strife, or inform them.
Trying to express gratitude for how my Protestant upbringing shaped me and prepared me for Orthodoxy. Feels a lot like trying to explain how much I love my hometown as I’m preparing to move. If I love it so much, why am I moving away? Understanding what made my home beautiful is why I can see how much more beautiful my new home will be.
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I really appreciate the scriptural education my Protestant upbringing gave me. I think an entire life lived in the Orthodox Church would not have prepared me in that way.
Well said❤
@@aaronclewell1163 how so?
@@joshuaa7813 Because scripture for the Protestant is the only reliable source of information and direction regarding the faith (Sola Scriptura), there is a hyper focus on Bible study. Orthodox Christians have access to the entirety of Holy Tradition and the wisdom of the Church (of which Scripture is an important part--but not the whole) to mold our faith, so cradle Orthodox are not typically studying scripture with the same urgency.
@@aaronclewell1163 what a shame.
Χριστός Ανέστη ☦️ Glory to God for all these wonderful words coming from this priest
Pray for and love all people, Orthodox and Heterodox; Christian and non-Christian. May the Lord help them all and have mercy on them as he has mercy on us.
Blessed to have found the church after almost 30 years in a spiritual desert.
I love this insight in order to not be offended with my Protestant upbringing. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have a mercy on me, a sinner. Thank you Fr. 😪
24 years as a Protestant led me to pursue truth, and finding the fullness of the Christian faith in Orthodoxy. It was so hard to explain to my family and friends, but now i describe it as walking through a real garden with its beauty, colors, smells, life experience, compared to where I was looking at a garden from my iPhone.
Every explanation of why I went from Protestantism to Orthodoxy told to a Protestant family member or friend, whether a big or small explanation has resulted in an offense because leaving one thing for something else has a reason, and any reason (i.e. fullness of Christianity is in Orthodoxy, it’s changing me, it’s deep and drawing me closer to God, etc., etc.) will all be things only in Orthodoxy and suggest I haven’t found these things in Protestantism. Hence, the offense to those in Protestantism.
This is a powerful message. I’m a former Mormon who is now Orthodox and while I have turned my back on the teachings of the LDS Church, I can never deny the good things I gained and learned in my 39 years. Especially and most importantly meeting my beautiful wife and the family we’ve created. Though she is not Orthodox, I am still grateful to my Lord for her being in my life.
Serving a church mission at 19 has always been a positive thing in my life as well. The decision to go on one got me out of joining a gang at 15. It also kept me chaste when my friends all around me were either getting girls pregnant or the girls I knew were getting pregnant.
I guess that is why I didn’t hold on to that bitterness towards the LDS church like many who leave do. I recognized my Lord’s hand in my life which led me to his holy, catholic and apostolic church in 2020. Instead of anger and resentment I pray for those who I know to come to His Church.
I had the good fortune of growing up in a more liturgical, traditional Baptist church in the 90s. When a new pastor and the anxieties of the boomers over the lack of young people took hold, they modernized the church in the 2000s into what was effectively a TED talk with a concert.
This change did not attract young people outside of a few yuppie couples. Instead, it pushed out the young people who were seeking something deep. Kids would leave for college and never return assuming they even attended through highschool. And large traditional families left for more reverent churches.
Having what was left of traditions robbed from me, I went looking and found Orthodoxy. I don't know if I would be in the church today if I didn't start in a very traditional anabaptist church.
Protestant Now orthodox Thank you Jesus
I love this. I grew up oneness Pentecostal and I look back and see God at work even back then. I remember questioning things and that ultimately and slowly led me to become Orthodox today. I had a pitstop in evangelical Protestantism but I grew a lot during this time and appreciate their love of the scriptures. In fact, the cradle Orthodox at my Cathedral ask me questions about the Bible and are receptive to learn.
Currently in oneness pentacostal. Curious how you came to grips with the trinity. Find the orthadox a beautiful faith but can't overcome oneness vs trinity. Any insight would be approciated.
@odonohoe7654 glad to help. What are the pitfalls or areas of concern?
@@andys3035 baptism and prayer. The Father gave all power and authority to the son, so why Baptise in trinity rather then Jesus name. Same concern with prayer. The father, son, holy spirit rather then Jesus.
@odonohoe7654 Good questions. This is a rather in depth conversation and I'll do my best to try and convey why I changed my mind. First, the oneness interpretation of Matthew 28:19 is that the fulfillment of this command is Acts 2:38 and therefore the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is Jesus. I would say this premise is a false starting point and I would challenge this on the basis that Scriptures never, not once, calls Jesus the Father and even more important never says the Father is begotten. These 2 points are significant but I'm aware of the proof texts oneness use though. Matthew 28 uses "the name" in the singular, which both oneness and Trinitarian's would agree. Where we depart is that we believe the "name" signifies the unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit whereas oneness say it means the Father, Son and Spirit is named Jesus. This is unnatural to the context and there are multiple Scriptures that can be cited to show the distinctions between the persons of the Trinity. But there are actually 2 interpretations that work better for the baptism verses in question. The first is the Jews were called to confess Jesus as Messiah in baptism and the command to all the nations was to baptize in the formula in Matthew. The other is that "The name" signifies WHAT God is as shown in Exodus 3:14-15 or can signify God's presence and authority in Exodus 23:20-21. I would also point to the Didache, a writing that is contemporary with the earliest writings of the NT which is evidence that the early church was baptizing using the Trinitarian formula, and the church was given the authority to decide how baptism was to be administered and still remain consistent with the Scriptures. In either case, even if one was baptized in Jesus name in Acts, this doesn't prove the name of the Father is Jesus or that Jesus is the Father.
As far as prayer is concerned, we don't believe as Trinitarian's that it is either/or. Trinitarian prayer or worship is not one in opposition to another. Rather, it is worship to the Father, through the Son in the power of the Holy Spirit. For example, the Apostle Paul's benediction in 2 Corinthians 13:14 is Trinitarian, Jesus said to ask the Father in his name in John 16:23 or that to honor Him is to honor the Father who sent Him in John 5:23. We see worship in Revelation 7:10 & 5:13 to the Father and Son who is referred to as the lamb. We also see in 1 Peter 4:11 that the Father is glorified through Jesus Christ, so proper worship involves both Father and Son in this context. Much more can be said but let me know your thoughts or if you have questions.
@@andys3035 my concern would be the lack of trinity formula throughout Acts. I read that it could be shorthand for the trinity but no real evidence to feel confident. Also, did you enter the church alone? My situation is that If I pursue orthadoxy, I would be doing it solo. My family will not consider it at all. I don't want to disrupte the family but also feel a strong pull toward orthadoxy. Thank you for your time and insights.
I grew up attending all kinds of churches. We never really belonged to a particular church but went to everyone else's church. I was guided by some very holy people along the way in my life be it the Baptist Sunday school or with my Catholic friends at the Mass.
The Anglo Catholic church we buried my mom out of really set me.on the road to seeking out God and put me.on the road to the Orthodox Church.
As Christians our business is to show mercy, compassion and love, no matter what system we live under 🙏☦️♥️
Leaving the Methodist church once and for all, I find peace in listening to this content and the eventual journey to the True Church.
Such a healthy vision he is sharing here. Thankful.
So beautiful
There’s a difference between the ecumenism that is institutional, versus what we go through as Orthodox faithful living among our atheist, new age, and protestant friends and family
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Orthodoxy is a fundamentally eastern religion. Literally. Knowing and understanding that, we former Protestants and Catholics need to understand and be grateful for where we were and how we got to Orthodoxy, but we need to make sure that what stays with us conforms strictly to Orthodoxy and Holy Tradition. Sentimentality and emotional attachment to the heterodox road can dredge up old, bad ideas that you were comfortable with for a long time.
Discernment and care need to be paramount, as the East and West split for big, painful reasons that extend to the current day, and those differences can be difficult to uproot from the heart and the mind.
Orthodoxy is not eastern or western, it is the Church of Christ and therefore catholic, with the meaning of 'catholic' as in the Creed, i.e. encompassing all and everything.
I see someone else stated this - Orthodoxy is neither Western or Eastern. And - the word ‘fundamentally’ just made me cringe. Ethnic overlays and pious customs and yai-yai-isms aren’t orthodox…
You are right that we are to defend and preserve the Faith… and with the Lord’s help we shall. Be encouraged.
Dogma is easy. Love is hard.
This is a false dichotomy. God is love and also God is the Trinity. The relationship of the Trinity is a relationship of love and is a dogmatic relationship. There is no love outside of God the Trinity.
I suggest that you start to try to love the unlovable as does God. Then you will find that it is harder to do than to be a self-righteous dogmatic person.
@@PZ82Loving the unlovable is only possible within God and in a state of holiness. Holiness is only possible within the Orthodox Church and the expression of the correct dogma. If you think that you love the unlovable outside of the Church, there is a great possibility of actually falling into self-satisfied delusion 🙂 or just plain mistaking sentimentality for love.
Also, look up ‘weaponized compassion’
Btw, I don’t care about the name calling. The Lord’s peace be with you.
There, the mask comes off. Why are the messages of the new testament and the writings of C S lewis or Isaac the Syrian, or even the priest in this video attractive and your dogmatic message is not?
Who are you to say where saints are to be found? If God can make children of Abraham out of stones, he certainly can make saints outside of anyone's perceived boundaries of what constitutes the church.
@@PZ82You just told me you are not an Orthodox Christian without telling me 🙂 Or that you have ecumenist tendencies. Or you just have an academic or sentimental approach.
Shall I quote for you all the dogmatic statements in our vespers, matins, Akathists… any service, that destroy your wishy-washy position. It is not very difficult. There are special chants that we call ‘dogmatic’ for a reason.
I am glad you find the saints’ teachings ‘more attractive’ than mine. I never had a mask to begin with - I don’t pretend to be understanding or holy or loving. I pray that the Lord will enlighten me.
But if you think there is holiness outside of the Orthodox Church - you do not hold the position of the Orthodox Church. No Saint of the Orthodox Church holds that position. Find one. I will wait
God is love.
We all fall short and sin.
Love is just and merciful.
Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged.
Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and for us to be regenerated.
If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin.
The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die.
We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan).
Commandments aren't have to's, they are what we do because we actually want God's direction and It's what fulfills us.
You can't be born again without the desire to honor God. (Works based salvation "Christians" and "lawless Christians" are both wrong.)
We love because God first loved us.
Jesus is God, the Son, "the first and the last", God along with God the Father "the Lord God", this title is mentioned with being tied to God in Isaiah 44:6-8, and that same is sent along with the Lord God's Spirit in Isaiah 48:11-16.
Jesus further claims this title also in Revelation 1:8-17.
Leave catholicism/orthodox/protestant churches that preach strife, or inform them.
Someone who built on CS Lewis’s approach was the late Orthodox Christian from England, Andrew Walker. See a book he co-authored called Deep Church
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You don't need Bishops and Saints to find God. Jesus is all you need!
We love the Saints as God loves them and honor them and strive to be like them and serve God like them. Peace, brother. 🙏🏻☦️
Pick up a Bible and actually read it sometime, add in a little Church history while you're at it. Bishops? Asking holy ones to pray for us? Being surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses? Funny, these things are all there, and they've always been. Sorry you don't like it and that you feel the need to make up your own Christianity.
The irony of this comment is that if the Holy Spirit never raised up Bishops & Saints as witnesses to Christ and Apostolic tradition, you wouldn’t have a Bible or even know about Jesus Christ.
Had the privilege of having some amazing Protestant pastors before I found orthodoxy. I think I'd be an atheist otherwise. Shout out to ash, kier and Russell, none of whom will be watching this vid 😆
Do you ever interview Greek Orthodox priests?
Yes! There are quite a few on this page.
@@RootsofOrthodoxy oh okay, thank you! I hope you’ll forgive the questions but are all these interviews long like the one with father Zachariah? If so is there anywhere I can access the full interview? And then lastly this is kind of a silly question but a lot of your stuff is Q&A, do you think you’ll ever run out of material? As always may God bless you and be with you as you bring us these wonderful videos ☦️
The polemists from you guys are terrible. I'm glad he says what ge says. And what I'm saying isn't in response to him as it is to the polemists. C.S Lewis was a Anglican, and being Anglo Catholic, my Roman Catholic friends forget this. You can admire but what you don't get to do is point and say that's what we say, glory to our church. Because some of us have actually thought through our Western Christianity.... we also have fought through our differences in the west. I don't think eastern Christians like to coexist next to Christians they aren't in communion with. We jn the west have learned alot and they also have to learn alot
There should be no dialogue with other denominations for the so called reunification. The Orthodox Church, is not a denomination, it has always been there as the oldest Church of Christ. People who seek Christ will find it
Correct! Christ is Risen
The Protestant hate is real in Orthodoxy. It's not very Christian.
Nah, there's no such a thing. But there is a dislike towards the Catholic papacy which is blamed for the crusades which targeted and sacked Constantinople, the centre at that time of Orthodoxy.
Disagreements with Protestantism is not "hating Protestants".
Protestantism is a graceless belief structure that has taken one Tradition of the Church, Scripture, and twisted it to thousands of different parachurches with Contradictory Theologies.
Every Protestant denomination is fundamentally rooted in protest of Roman Catholicism, and Roman Catholicism is fundamentally rooted in vain political motivations which led Rome to split away from the one Church. When Rome took the word catholic, the Church began calling herself orthodox. Simple as that. It's not hatred, it's understanding the difference between unchanging historical Christianity and the sort of purely bibliographic Christianity people later made up for themselves and which is constantly developing. We want to be in the Church founded on the apostles and which was onward reflected in the writings of the Church fathers, as well as the Church whose apostolic Tradition informed what became the ratified Bible. Protestants do not want that, but rather prefer any one of the thousands of post-Reformational interpretations which all claim to be the most Biblical. Some Protestants don't even believe in a fully true expression of Christianity, but instead promote spiritual relativity. I'm sorry, but having totally incongruous ideas as to what constitutes as Christianity is not always going to result in some kumbaya perfect coexistence.
Of course I'd agree that any Orthodox Christian who genuinely hates another professing Christian (or anyone for that matter) is not being very Christian themselves. But aside from those unfortunate cases, here's the deal: every Protestant denomination is fundamentally rooted in protest of Roman Catholicism, and Roman Catholicism is fundamentally rooted in political motivations which led Rome to split away from the one Church. When Rome took the word catholic, the Church began calling herself orthodox. Simple as that. It's not hatred, it's understanding the difference between unchanging historical Christianity and the sort of purely bibliographic Christianity people later made up for themselves and which is constantly developing. We want to be in the Church founded on the apostles and which was onward reflected in the writings of the Church fathers, as well as the Church whose apostolic Tradition informed what eventually became the ratified Bible. Protestants do not want that, but rather prefer any one of the thousands of post-Reformational interpretations which all claim to be the most Biblical. Some Protestants don't even believe in a fully true expression of Christianity, but instead promote spiritual relativity. I'm sorry, but having totally incongruous ideas as to what constitutes as Christianity is not always going to result in some kumbaya perfect coexistence.
Hate of any human being is NOT allowed, no matter what they've done or who they are.
We hate heresy, not the heretic, as it is a false teaching of God and His church.
CS Lewis is not a saint of the Church. Sure, there is wisdom there and may be beneficial initially. But one has to (and especially a priest of the Orthodox Church) dig deeper. The wealth of wisdom of the Orthodox Church far supersedes that of literary authors. We need to hear more the words of the saints. This was quite underwhelming.
I've heard a whole homily on CS Lewis and one of his books from my priest and hardly ever hear the Holy Fathers being taught. Sometimes he will quote them. My previous priest used to only rely on the teachings of the Holy Fathers, nothing outside of Orthodoxy and definitely not relying on his own interpretation.
I think the goal is to help bridge the divide between Western Christians and Eastern Christians. CS Lewis is someone they are familiar with. Give them some grace already.
There’s something to be gained from outside the Church than only within. “One holy Catholic and apostolic church”. Meaning that the church must be universal and adapted with the people as well as maintain apostolic tradition.
@@Shellshock1918 I did say it’s beneficial initially- have some grace already 😁 But, he’s giving an example of an Anglican’s relationship with someone outside of their faith. Anglicans don’t care about doctrine- nowadays they have all sorts of deviants as clergy. Also, CS Lewis was an ecumenist of sort.
As examples we should always use the saints. This is the tradition: we quote the saints, who quote the saints, who quote the saints… who quote the apostles, who quote Christ. There. That’s it.
Elder Ephraim who spoke no word of English benefited the U.S. more than all the CS Lewis quotes combined.
May the Lord’s peace be with you.
@@markgarcia8253 One Holy Catholic and Apostolic doesn’t mean what you think it means. Look up the holy fathers of the Church. The fullness is in the Orthodox Church. All outside of it may only point to it, but is nowhere near the definition