Feminism vs. Patriarchy in History [with Rudyard Lynch of Whatifalthist]

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • Feminism is new, and it's the first time women have ever used girl power to get freedom from evil men who held them back for no reason since forever. Right? Not really.
    Rudyard explains to hoe_math the history of patriarchal vs feminist control over societies of the past, what patterns we've seen, and how to know what's coming next.

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  • @Anicca108
    @Anicca108 4 месяца назад +832

    In defense of Zoomers’ mental issues: “It’s no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” - Krishnamurti

    • @BorgCreations
      @BorgCreations 4 месяца назад +125

      Imagine calling people's natural reaction to a collapsing civilization a sickness and blame it on themselves. Truly evil.

    • @pekka405
      @pekka405 4 месяца назад +15

      People always adapt

    • @TerranceBhS
      @TerranceBhS 4 месяца назад +58

      ​@@pekka405 That's true, but adaptation shouldn't come at a cost of constantly popping pills to be well-adjusted.

    • @pistonsjem
      @pistonsjem 4 месяца назад

      @@TerranceBhS popping pills just prolongs the inevitable. Like leaks on a sinking ship, you either notice it in time or you dont.

    • @BarnJ
      @BarnJ 4 месяца назад

      ​@@TerranceBhS yeah the pills thing is obviously a "treating the symptoms instead of the disease" type of situation. ADHD is the best example, where you place kids in a very unnatural setting and try to force them to behave contrary to their instincts (don't play, be quiet, sit still, listen to boring stuff without us explaining why it matters) and instead of questioning how we teach, we lobotomize them with baby-meth so they'll go along with the program. I think there's more recognition of this now and more distrust in the "solve everything with a pill" economy and it will eventually correct itself.

  • @HoOGenghisB
    @HoOGenghisB 4 месяца назад +703

    “Mr. Hoe and I..”
    Lost it 😅

  • @Dreckmal01
    @Dreckmal01 3 месяца назад +166

    Older millennial here. You pretty much cannot describe these things to older folks. It's like trying to explain how chicken tastes to someone who never ate chicken.

    • @joshuadalton6063
      @joshuadalton6063 3 месяца назад +16

      Yeah its weird, I send some of the shorter clips from HM and some others to my mum, she struggles to understand without me pointing out the point. I don't send them to my dad because even mentioning some of the smaller points has him say it sounds like woman hating (I usually just say I watched some video and the video said XYZ, rather than tell him I agree myself). I dont know how exactly because they are both generally switched on and wise and are against the alphabet people and gay marriage etc, but this seems to be a blind spot perhaps from them living their whole lives with the narrative being pushed "women are wonderful, men are evil" and the like.

    • @StoicThrower
      @StoicThrower 2 месяца назад +22

      I would disagree. 62 years and 2 marriages later, I've seen a lot of change and a lot that has stayed the same. Women have always been crazy. They used to just be a lot more subtle about it. Better bachelor has some pretty good insights into our older perspective. MGTOW

    • @Winterascent
      @Winterascent 2 месяца назад +4

      @@StoicThrower I like BB. I'm a few years younger than him, and it is nice to have someone make content where we can laugh.

    • @davidu8688
      @davidu8688 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@StoicThrower nah, demoralization. It has been done repeatedly.

    • @StoicThrower
      @StoicThrower 2 месяца назад

      @Winterascent Yeah BB is a pretty funny guy. I enjoy his channel.

  • @MikeJones-wp2mw
    @MikeJones-wp2mw 4 месяца назад +625

    Hoe Math quote of the day "They want to go straight to space gay communism."

    • @castratedbob
      @castratedbob 4 месяца назад

      "Real automated gay space communism hasn't been tried, aktually" 😂😂

    • @buckaroobonzai2909
      @buckaroobonzai2909 4 месяца назад +30

      The flat earthers will fix that problem. Don't worry.

    • @CameronBrown-ph9do
      @CameronBrown-ph9do 4 месяца назад

      Not wrong, the number of commies who sincerely think star trek communism is the "answer" is alarming.

    • @sethv.1349
      @sethv.1349 4 месяца назад

      Americans may just want their tax money to pay for their health care like the rest of the industrialized world does, instead of wars and Walmart subsidies.

    • @Redmanticore
      @Redmanticore 4 месяца назад +41

      thats exactly what tech bros promise us with automation and AI, to be fair.

  • @alexmeier1
    @alexmeier1 4 месяца назад +279

    1:23:20 "I think that I always really wanted knowledge and understanding, and now I have it, and it hurts, and I'm tired". I felt that.

    • @Stoneybv
      @Stoneybv 4 месяца назад +4

      Great power comes great responsibility

    • @rumorcontrol7873
      @rumorcontrol7873 4 месяца назад +5

      "He chose the path of eternal torment.."

    • @bluebutterfly5062
      @bluebutterfly5062 4 месяца назад +6

      Ignorance is bliss

    • @gastonlanteri1147
      @gastonlanteri1147 3 месяца назад +2

      "Truth will set you free, but first it'll make you miserable."

    • @woo1818
      @woo1818 3 месяца назад

      It’s ruined my sleep

  • @michaelosborne7532
    @michaelosborne7532 3 месяца назад +110

    “The values of the bureaucracy have just filtered down into the lower classes, and everybody is trying to mimic them; and the more that they do that, the more it doesn’t work, because bureaucracy is fundamentally non-productive”.
    Great insight.

    • @gastonlanteri1147
      @gastonlanteri1147 3 месяца назад +5

      Read Joseph Schumpeter in "Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy". That's exactly what he predicted, a "burgueois-cification" of the middle and lower classes, smaller houses, less and less children, more travels, more fun, less responssbilities... And the crash of Capitalism in consequence.

    • @davidu8688
      @davidu8688 2 месяца назад

      The bureaucracy has no values. It is simply a tool used to condition the masses via propaganda to females passed over to the weak males and affecting all of society. What is not obvious to these guys, at least if it is, they choose to keep it to themselves or hide it because exposing this obvious fact will surely get them canceled or are too afraid to accept and admit it because the thought is too scary so they seem to focus on the result rather than the true root and cause. These things do not just happen on their own, especially within a Christian society. Wars and revolutions are intentionally caused, not spontaneous in nature, and they know the triggers well.

    • @SouvenTudu1
      @SouvenTudu1 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@gastonlanteri1147*crash of economy
      It won't happen unless there's governance

    • @jameswilkerson4412
      @jameswilkerson4412 2 месяца назад

      @C.Derick Varn literally told me that it was nonsensical to do that, but he said so from a Left (not just liberal) perspective, in that I should empathize more with the working class people in small towns where I live now rather than in the college cities where I grew up.
      (He used the term “professional managerial class,” rather than “bureaucracy”, which encompassed those in the private, not just public, sector.)

    • @Uncannysius2023
      @Uncannysius2023 14 дней назад

      As a professional low-level bureaucrat, I can confirm that this has indeed happened.

  • @messertl
    @messertl 4 месяца назад +309

    As a Gen X'er, this video helped me understand how completely insane dating is for Gen Z's and Millennials.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +43

      I observe, as a Gen Xer, that we were contracepted, aborted, neglected, invalidated, and impoverished; but I guess things have largely gone downhill the last 40 years.

    • @messertl
      @messertl 4 месяца назад +81

      Sure all those things happened to Gen Xers. But at least we got to play outside and they were not trying to convince us to cut off our genitals.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +23

      @@messertl I think I came across as more ironic than I should have.
      In all seriousness, yes, things seem to have continued to get even worse for typical Americans.

    • @pete5691
      @pete5691 4 месяца назад +41

      Gen x were raised by boomers, which means raised by the babysitter and tv so our boss moms could work. However what was on tv still had gender norms that made sense and kids movies and shows still had a hero and a girl longing for love. There also was not quite as much anti-wyte propaganda infused into media. Right now I challenge you to find anything watchable by kids that by 80’s and 90’s standards makes any sense as far as norms. Gone are shows with exclusively male heroes or girls longing for love-replaced by 100 pound girl bosses beating up 200 pound guys and clueless men being shown how to do things by mary sues. The list goes on and gets worse and worse. It’s being done TO us not BY us btw.

    • @daniellane419
      @daniellane419 4 месяца назад

      I’m a Gen X that figured out how much the world was changing in 2009.
      There’s nothing more frustrating than arguing with a boomer every time they tell millennials and Zoomers to just do it the way they did . The boomers have no concept of the current reality these kids and young adults are facing.

  • @popofabulous
    @popofabulous 4 месяца назад +184

    HM is a great interviewer. He actually listens for a reply instead of over talking the guest and makes poignant observations.

    • @davidwalker8195
      @davidwalker8195 4 месяца назад +8

      I watched someone interview HM and twenty minutes in HM had said 3 sentences.

    • @chipcook5346
      @chipcook5346 3 месяца назад +6

      Yeah. I listened to the Jolly Heretic interview Rudyard, and it was a painful slog to the place Dutton wanted to go. That's fine, but not so much in an interview. This is an exploration which is far more enjoyable and illuminating.

  • @theflamingone8729
    @theflamingone8729 4 месяца назад +376

    It's not male sexlessness, it's males rejected by their community.
    Those men didn't go to fight for their countries, or their flag etc. They went to fight for their families, their communities and their standard of living.
    Those are also the things men work for and develop for, develop themselves and develop better technologies and strategies.

    • @andrewharris5281
      @andrewharris5281 4 месяца назад +45

      And the bureaucracy has been built up to take from what men make and redistribute it to those who claim to deserve it.
      And it has mutated into a creature that has punished those who do for those who for those who risk. And those who risk for those who can’t/won’t. Which is why you have the successful saying, just take a risk and work on building something and others who say I can get ahead by being a victim.

    • @pyronderman9055
      @pyronderman9055 4 месяца назад +6

      you are wrong. I would die for my country for my flag, and for the restoration of my king. Yet i have no family to fight for.

    • @theflamingone8729
      @theflamingone8729 4 месяца назад +24

      @@pyronderman9055 I hope you don't.
      *I meant, I hope you don't die for your flag etc.
      I hope you do have family and community etc.

    • @alexgame3357
      @alexgame3357 4 месяца назад

      @@pyronderman9055 Yes, there used to be institutions for men who did not have a family and could dedicate their lives to the glory of God and their society, unfortunately they have taken that away from us. So now all we have is lonely, angry incels who are apparently the biggest threat to national security that has ever existed.

    • @jollypolly1686
      @jollypolly1686 4 месяца назад +10

      @@pyronderman9055 At some level of consciousness you still have the desire and hope for a family within that country and under the values it's flag represents. So it does come back to family, community and values indirectly.

  • @samiamgreeneggsandham7587
    @samiamgreeneggsandham7587 4 месяца назад +451

    Rudyard is a bit of a dork and he sometimes makes statements indicating delusions of grandeur, but his channel content is nonetheless interesting, and he’s much better read than 99.9% of people his age. Glad to see the mathematician and the historian getting together.

    • @ProzacStylings
      @ProzacStylings 4 месяца назад +61

      He needs to be better informed on biology and adjacent fields. He's using the feminine perception of Asian men in his arguments and displaying a huge ignorance of the biological underpinning of that.

    • @bie806
      @bie806 4 месяца назад +27

      Your comment is a great example of that gossiping, rallying, shaming they talked about.

    • @Nethershock
      @Nethershock 4 месяца назад +36

      Anyone who talks about masculinity and doesn't lift/train isn't an expert. He makes good points but the delusions of grandeur are from physical weakness. He's trying to make minds robust, but the form leads the spirit.

    • @niczvr
      @niczvr 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@bie806how so?

    • @holidaytrout5174
      @holidaytrout5174 4 месяца назад

      Accurate

  • @jestmojo
    @jestmojo 4 месяца назад +45

    Celebate by choice. I’ve experienced hook-up culture and I’m absolutely disgusted by it. It feels like there’s no need to try anymore. I thought I met a rational woman through a friend and then she started talking about how she was a girlboss. I’d rather be lonely than deal with that shit.

    • @SoulTouchMusic93
      @SoulTouchMusic93 2 месяца назад +4

      @@jestmojo they think it's a flex while it's literally the opposite and they just don't understand that.

    • @jameswilkerson4412
      @jameswilkerson4412 2 месяца назад +2

      If “girlboss” just means “entrepreneur” or “upwardly mobile corporate worker”, what is that worse than when a man does it ?

    • @jestmojo
      @jestmojo 2 месяца назад +3

      ​@jameswilkerson4412 The girl wasn't an entrepreneur. She barely had a job. It was a part-time thing, but she was talking generally about her character. Not her actions.

  • @floridaman3823
    @floridaman3823 3 месяца назад +146

    "Everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power." -Oscar Wilde

    • @notsocrates9529
      @notsocrates9529 3 месяца назад

      No it's about cooming, which feels good.

    • @memegazer
      @memegazer 3 месяца назад +9

      Everything is about power except power
      machiavelli

    • @robertmarley8852
      @robertmarley8852 2 месяца назад

      I think true power is taking the life of another that has wronged you 🤔

    • @Madcomplex
      @Madcomplex 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@robertmarley8852 Its apart of it, but no, not the full meaning

    • @christopherscott932
      @christopherscott932 2 месяца назад +3

      Food is about power in a way, reading words is about power, walking to 711 at 130 in the morning and living is also about power

  • @TheInterwebzMan
    @TheInterwebzMan 4 месяца назад +568

    Great chat! This dude is a juggernaut at 22 years old

    • @LamelKendrick
      @LamelKendrick 4 месяца назад +22

      he was phenomenal

    • @xboneyt485
      @xboneyt485 4 месяца назад +66

      Looks like he's in his late 30's or early 40's
      Wonder why he can't get a girlfriend...
      A mystery we'll never unravel...

    • @asura8495
      @asura8495 4 месяца назад +43

      ​@@xboneyt485 what makes you think that? he never complained about that

    • @-blackcat-4749
      @-blackcat-4749 4 месяца назад +46

      The 📔 discussed previously moment is unexciting. Another time

    • @nickc3856
      @nickc3856 4 месяца назад +69

      ​@@xboneyt485 you're projecting lmao

  • @MrCusefan44
    @MrCusefan44 4 месяца назад +90

    I’m Gen X. I was at an airport last week and my flight was delayed, so I hit a bar and started talking to two 25 year old men that were there. It was obvious to me they were very guarded in what they were saying, until I made a comment that made it clear I understood the challenges they’d already faced and were facing now - the conversation got much more interesting and engaging after that.
    I’m not sure I really understood how the typical Gen X guy is perceived by younger men - but talking to my peers most of them are delusional idiots who think college is basically the same as it was in the 90s.

    • @tomspriggs9478
      @tomspriggs9478 4 месяца назад +16

      People get so involved in their own lives, they lose track of how things change. They move on to a different place in life and never really look back/down to see the shifting ground under their feet.

    • @davedoe6445
      @davedoe6445 3 месяца назад +2

      I went to a very male biased college (not a chad) in the 90’s and I think it feels exactly the same as the zoomers talk about today

    • @notacyborg1717
      @notacyborg1717 3 месяца назад +6

      I was there for a while, but seeing my kids struggle has opened my eyes

    • @jeremyr7147
      @jeremyr7147 2 месяца назад +6

      Yep, start talking "extreme".. then they open up. 😁
      It's like they finally found someone older that they can talk to / seek advice.

    • @vidard9863
      @vidard9863 2 месяца назад +5

      You don't understand. It isn't your age or your generation, it's how they were raised. Think about it like living in East Germany or the USSR. You cannot speak your mind without significant risk. They were raised by schools that were 80% female staff, and 98% feminist staff. If they spoke their minds they would be ridiculed, and punished with lower grades or more official punishments. They lived their lives in a sort of social isolation and were not encouraged to have friends of different ages, because the old guy down the block that might have been something of a crazy adopted uncle 60 years ago, doesn't want to talk to them because any grown man talking to children is viewed with suspicion today.

  • @CoperliteConsumer
    @CoperliteConsumer 4 месяца назад +208

    "fully automated spacegay communism"
    😂😂😂

    • @Alexander_the_Average
      @Alexander_the_Average 4 месяца назад +5

      Yes that was hilarious! Pretty accurate when I think about it😂

    • @Kaizen747
      @Kaizen747 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Alexander_the_Average ikr, future were are heading lol

    • @effexon
      @effexon 2 месяца назад

      @@Kaizen747 does that require nuclear fusion power? oil based systems run out in next 100-200years as main source of energy.

    • @SouvenTudu1
      @SouvenTudu1 2 месяца назад

      ​@@effexon
      And also transportation

  • @pocketz2202
    @pocketz2202 4 месяца назад +112

    "Periods of feminisim is correlated with social degeneracy." Lmao..... Holy shit, that just made my day.

    • @spambot_gpt7
      @spambot_gpt7 3 месяца назад

      The health of a society can be measured by the relative success of productive, but naive autists vs smooth talking psychopaths & cluster Bs.
      Basically productivity vs manipulative proxy power.
      The number of books in stores that promise to teach you "the secret techniques of psychos" is very worrying.

    • @miyangtangwan7046
      @miyangtangwan7046 3 месяца назад +4

      Hopefully you understand that correlation and causation are not the same thing. Critical thinking! There are multiple countries where feminism was adopted without the sexual liberation movement. Know the difference!

    • @spambot_gpt7
      @spambot_gpt7 3 месяца назад +17

      @@miyangtangwan7046 Then what those other countries did is probably not f-minism.
      Those were just civil rights reforms.
      If you look at the core writings, f-minism is a revolutionary ideology.
      Tammy Peterson had a good podcast titled "Deconstructing Simone de Beauvoir".
      James Lindsay has a ton of material about their current-day literature.
      The destructive ideology always pretends to be a constructive little reform. So always look twice and use logical thinking.

    • @i10i60
      @i10i60 2 месяца назад

      ​​@@spambot_gpt7 If you look at the core writings, feminism is a movement including a variety of ideologies based on women's rights either being better than they were previously, equal to men or more than men depending on the context.
      "Civil rights reforms" that involve giving women better work opportunities, independence, education, etc.- are feminist by definition.
      Try actually reading instead of looking and use logical thinking instead of regurgitating whatever ideology you like.

    • @spambot_gpt7
      @spambot_gpt7 2 месяца назад +1

      @@i10i60 I read Simone de Beauvoir for a bit. She was a reckless irresponsible hedonist and died as an alcoholic.
      The core writings are an explicit rejection of reality. This only creates misery.
      Feminism supposes equality.
      Then it proceeds to treat women like defective men.
      I'm all with you on the necessity of reforms to help everyone reach their potential and better support families.
      But each sane political action has to start with accepting reality and our differences.

  • @sanluisflyer
    @sanluisflyer 4 месяца назад +104

    A 1%er here - I frequently look around & ask how are average people making it? The answer is they’re not & that’s bad for society. Ultimately, it will self correct & I don’t fault any young man for being pi$$ed- I’m in my 40s & “made it” -I’m furious too….

    • @willshad
      @willshad 3 месяца назад +11

      The only people who think that money will make you happy are those that don't have it.

    • @biscottigelato8574
      @biscottigelato8574 3 месяца назад +9

      I think I'm 1% wealth-wise. 39 years old. Doesn't help sh!t. So many forces beyond economics in play here. Money is just digits in a database, regardless if its USD or BTC.

    • @ChaosXcrusheD
      @ChaosXcrusheD 3 месяца назад +15

      It won't "self correct" because the system isn't designed to allow corrections.
      The system is designed to extract maximum value regardless of its effect and once all value is extracted, everything collapses into ash and dust.
      The 1% lives and gets to be fat, happy, and breed unrestricted. 99% is enslaved or eliminated.

    • @CoochSmooch
      @CoochSmooch 3 месяца назад

      Having no family, friends, or sense of community can do that
      Be rich in wealth & the soul to live stress free & happy

    • @TruthIsLikePoetry
      @TruthIsLikePoetry 3 месяца назад

      @@ChaosXcrusheDdo you not think things can get so bad for the masses that they revolt and burn the system down? Something has to give and our leaders are completely inept when it comes to actually solving problems. They’ve had the luxury of kicking the can down the road for decades instead of creating actual solutions.

  • @sub.sa.3058
    @sub.sa.3058 4 месяца назад +147

    I remember watching whatifalthist channel like 3 years ago and being surprised by how different what he was saying was from everything else. A lot of those older videos aged really well especially now

    • @anonymoose9315
      @anonymoose9315 4 месяца назад +8

      I started watching him when he had under 30,000 subs. I never thought he would get this big an interview so many of my favorite RUclipsrs.

    • @unitedtomato5444
      @unitedtomato5444 4 месяца назад +11

      He predicted Russia invading Ukraine

    • @louisfreeman6265
      @louisfreeman6265 4 месяца назад +5

      @@unitedtomato5444 who didn’t 🤷‍♂️

    • @razortheonethelight7303
      @razortheonethelight7303 4 месяца назад +9

      @@louisfreeman6265 Everyone who said that two countries who had a McDonalds could never go to war with each other. Not a joke, a thing people thought at one point until the war.

    • @deshrektives
      @deshrektives 4 месяца назад +1

      Counterpoint: Crimea.

  • @xaxaiuedufraine4897
    @xaxaiuedufraine4897 4 месяца назад +122

    Rudyard's audio cut out at multiple key moments. It would be great to have subtitles to fill those in, assuming that information isn't simply lost. Otherwise excellent talk.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +2

      +

    • @Heyemeyohsts
      @Heyemeyohsts 3 месяца назад +3

      Yeah that was almost worse than the ads

    • @meneerjaap
      @meneerjaap 3 месяца назад +2

      I was looking for this comment, please provide us with the missing information! The stories are now very incomplete unfortunately, and I'm so so curious

    • @notlengthy
      @notlengthy 3 месяца назад

      Plz hoemath

    • @SouvenTudu1
      @SouvenTudu1 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes

  • @donaldbond4304
    @donaldbond4304 4 месяца назад +68

    Humans thinking are like cats swimming. they can do it, but they would really prefer not to

    • @CoochSmooch
      @CoochSmooch 3 месяца назад

      It burns calories to think & we evolved to preserve our calories as much as possible

    • @effexon
      @effexon 2 месяца назад

      so hard times force humans to think more? I dont see how prosperous times would do that when there is nightclub party every night.

    • @CoochSmooch
      @CoochSmooch 2 месяца назад

      @@effexon the hard time begins when you wake up the next day after the party and have to make money to survive

  • @johngordon6792
    @johngordon6792 4 месяца назад +70

    This is the best colab that I've seen hoe_math do. It's interesting to get the historical perspective on what is happening today. I've gotta say that I see signs in RL of the world getting worse, but the online environment and the news can make things seem worse than they really are. Basically I'm asking, "Are things really this bad or is it my own confirmation bias telling me these things?" This confirms that things really have gotten bad, and the shit is ready to hit the fan.
    This was enlightening and gave a sense of perspecitive of where things are now.

    • @impudentdomain
      @impudentdomain 4 месяца назад

      no things are not as bad as they seem on the internet, they are horribly worse. Why ? because at least on the internet there are some people who recognize what is going on but in real life there are millions and millions of ignorant people with their heads in the sand or who are easily manipulated by the elites.

  • @tomtom21194
    @tomtom21194 4 месяца назад +53

    "I always wanted knowldge and understanding; now i have it and it hurts and i'm tired." Shit man, that hit me.
    Its like all my thinking, reading trying to understand made things harder to live in reality, not easier

    • @Stoneybv
      @Stoneybv 4 месяца назад +2

      That's what makes it beautiful

    • @dustins382
      @dustins382 3 месяца назад +1

      "analysis paralysis"
      Can't spend all your life just going for the information, at some point we must take a leap and experience something, even if there's a chance of it being bad, you just do your best to take what you've learned to mitigate risk, because obviously talking a mindless leap might end up being your last leap.

  • @kaptainwarp
    @kaptainwarp 4 месяца назад +57

    I actually DO want to live through "The uprising of the Sub-8 men". It promises to be quite a spectacle.

    • @Dave-um7mw
      @Dave-um7mw 3 месяца назад +18

      I disagree. Every revolution was a very rough time to live through. I'll take a golden age of peace and prosperity over revolution any day.

    • @city_of_coompton6832
      @city_of_coompton6832 3 месяца назад

      @@Dave-um7mw Every revolution (that's succeeded) was planned and sponsored by second-tier elites vying for the top position. They get the plebs riled up and use them as pawns.

    • @frcid
      @frcid 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@Dave-um7mw well, that is not the hand we were dealt with

    • @Dave-um7mw
      @Dave-um7mw 3 месяца назад +6

      @@frcid compared to what? Yeah, people born in the 50s to the 70s had it better than us, but we still have electricity, running water, super fast internet, etc. We're at the end of a golden age, but it's still better right now than it was in 99.9% of human history.

    • @frcid
      @frcid 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Dave-um7mw i mean, this is the only time we know to live, so we just have to live through it... but yeah sweet times... for some, for most hopefully

  • @alttab3694
    @alttab3694 Месяц назад +2

    7:10 "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it but those who do are doomed to watch" What a helluva way to modify Churchill' quote to fit in out current circumstances.

  • @nkoppa5332
    @nkoppa5332 4 месяца назад +65

    a meeting of the minds.
    Academia hates when disciplines connect with eachother

    • @stevecooper7883
      @stevecooper7883 4 месяца назад +3

      Integration is the first historical milestone in philosophy 😊

    • @1337b3nnyvav00m
      @1337b3nnyvav00m 2 месяца назад

      I don’t know where you got the idea that academia discourages this

  • @Alexander_the_Average
    @Alexander_the_Average 4 месяца назад +64

    “For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.”
    Ecclesiastes 1:18 KJV

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +1

      Interesting to compare that guy's experience with Mr Hoe's

    • @Alexander_the_Average
      @Alexander_the_Average 4 месяца назад

      @@michaelmicek yes! It was a cross over I did not expect! Turned out pretty good!

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +5

      @@Alexander_the_Average I meant the author of Ecclesiastes, presumed to be the guy renowned for his wisdom but brought down by his 900 sexual partners.

    • @Alexander_the_Average
      @Alexander_the_Average 4 месяца назад +5

      @@michaelmicek oh yes my bad! It is Interesting to compare King Solomon and Mr. Hoe math! There is nothing new under the sun.

    • @jonathanmitchell5171
      @jonathanmitchell5171 Месяц назад +2

      @@michaelmicekit’s my favorite book. The guy really did it all Chad of all chads and found it was all useless. Enjoy doing good work. Enjoy healthy relaxation. Nourish your mind and body

  • @JoshWoodcock
    @JoshWoodcock 4 месяца назад +79

    "Live outside and eat squirrels"

    • @shivlad6229
      @shivlad6229 4 месяца назад +3

      Yummy 😋😋😋😋

    • @PBVader
      @PBVader 4 месяца назад +5

      Hug bears, kiss trees and wrap your booboos with lily pads.

    • @Dragonfist0
      @Dragonfist0 3 месяца назад +2

      @@PBVader😂😂😂

  • @tinman3586
    @tinman3586 4 месяца назад +62

    You can't underestimate what the p-demic, (really the overreaction to it not the sickness itself) did to wreck American society. But many of those issues were already there, the event just pulled back the curtain and exposed, and exasperated many underlying issues.

    • @spambot_gpt7
      @spambot_gpt7 3 месяца назад +6

      The event also showed how far due process & justice have sunk.
      Before, with the Eddy Snowdy leaks etc. everybody could pretend: "State overreach is not nice, but it doesn't affect my life"
      Guess what. Now, it did.
      And it will do it again.

    • @Eye_Of_Odin978
      @Eye_Of_Odin978 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@spambot_gpt7 "Regardless of whether or not you have an interest in the Politics, the Politics have an interest in YOU."
      -Aristotle, The Politics (Paraphrased)

  • @HayseedHick
    @HayseedHick 4 месяца назад +89

    This has been unusually edifying

    • @jondspen
      @jondspen 4 месяца назад +8

      This was a good one. Don't agree with a few minor points, but overall think it was spot on.

  • @CalmBeforeTheStorm76
    @CalmBeforeTheStorm76 4 месяца назад +161

    Finally, some actual intellectuals taking anthropology seriously and using it for what it was intended to do... which is to explain human behavior on a universal and non-biased level. Great to see you both blazing a trail that needs to be ummm...re-blazed. Lol

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 4 месяца назад +10

      nonbiased lol

    • @Jayr8367
      @Jayr8367 4 месяца назад +9

      This is the crux of human history. There is always new people who haven't learned the lessons of the past. This is why tough on crime doesn't reduce crime, because there are always new people committing old crimes. The thing that reduces the crime rate has always been making less people poor and unhoused. If people have buying power to buy things and own a home they tend to commit *less* crimes because they have hope for the future. Hope is a powerful thing.

    • @Wingedmagician
      @Wingedmagician 4 месяца назад +3

      hoemath has got some work to do before he can call himself an intellectual as much as I love him 😂 and not that he would

    • @Marcara081
      @Marcara081 4 месяца назад +1

      Let me introduce you to Thinking Ape a.k.a. Stardusk who helped launch MGTOW and has been applying this information for over 15 years.
      'Finally' ha ha, riiiiiight. Finally the algorithm let you see some Redpill content more like.
      And not the good stuff either.

    • @triggeringsmuganimepfp7611
      @triggeringsmuganimepfp7611 4 месяца назад

      Thinking Ape is a blackpiller. Nothing wrong with that, but he isn't interested or believes anything can be healed. I used to think alike, before knowing hoe_math. Not the he will solve the issue, he is lighting the spark.

  • @jaredvaughan1665
    @jaredvaughan1665 3 месяца назад +66

    Instead of supporting kids, we are supporting the baby boomers' retirements through high taxes.

    • @Candyman757
      @Candyman757 3 месяца назад +12

      This is an underrated comment

    • @stefanstoic
      @stefanstoic 2 месяца назад +8

      on top of having the world given to them, most of them are entitled and rude.

    • @A_Mustard_Seed
      @A_Mustard_Seed 2 месяца назад

      Beware of the "divide and conquer " techniques... none of us are immune from this tactic.
      👀 what is interesting, is how the non-corporeal entities are continuing to impact our lives, with no accountability, as they have the ability to dissolve & then "become " again, under a different name...
      Zoom out from looking at the individual humans. I implore you to look at the systems
      Word magic is real
      Legislation and "government " are tools created by humans... and instead of utilizing the tools to help people
      People are being used to protect property and to destabilize, civilization and society
      Starting with our relationships with ourselves, and with one another
      The likelihood that we are being
      Intentionally distracted..
      Distract and detract from actual issues
      Thru
      Bread and circuses (e.g. "Burning Man ")
      And the ongoing "divide and conquer" tactics are very obvious

    • @1337b3nnyvav00m
      @1337b3nnyvav00m 2 месяца назад

      @@jaredvaughan1665 Not really… We need higher taxes to pay off the 35 trillion dollars of debt the United States is in that the boomers will never pay but taxing our generation won’t make a dent since we make no money. Higher corporate taxes is a part of the answer.

    • @d000dez
      @d000dez Месяц назад +1

      @@stefanstoic that's precisely why they're entitled and rude.

  • @LamelKendrick
    @LamelKendrick 4 месяца назад +262

    Chat gave him a hard time but this guy is an absolute intellectual powerhouse especially at 22. Very impressed. At 50 he will be scary smart.

    • @xboneyt485
      @xboneyt485 4 месяца назад +52

      You speak like someone with limited life experience.
      Like a star athlete, an intellectual can also squander potential or live past their "intellectual prime". Especially if the flirt with bitter/nihilistic philosophy

    • @LamelKendrick
      @LamelKendrick 4 месяца назад +39

      @@xboneyt485 i will wear limited life experience as a badge of honor

    • @ephraimwinslow
      @ephraimwinslow 4 месяца назад +50

      @@xboneyt485
      Bro? You're talkin' like someone afflicted by "that-old-guy" syndrome.
      Why hector the kid for recognizing potential on the basis that it *might* go unfulfilled?
      That's just broadcasting pessimism under the guise of spreading wisdom.
      (I'd hazard to guess OP was previously aware of trainwrecks before you wheeled your handcart into earshot to tell him he don'-know-Schitt.)

    • @xboneyt485
      @xboneyt485 4 месяца назад +5

      ​@@ephraimwinslow So many leaps of logic in this reply of yours.
      OP made a statement with no room for nuance.
      If you take my response to him as an attack and not a warning/other perspective. Says more about you than it does about me

    • @StratumPress
      @StratumPress 4 месяца назад +3

      @@LamelKendrick I'm sure you wear being a lo ser as a badge of honor.

  • @pookatim
    @pookatim 3 месяца назад +51

    Old man here. I just want to tell young people that life is binary. Either everything you do matters or nothing you do matters. You must decide which is correct. There is no in between. Both are rather frightening. If everything you do matters, you bear a heavy load. If nothing you do matters life has no meaning. Just remember, if everything you do matters, you matter. You have something to offer and the world will be better off with you in it. If nothing you do matters, you don't matter and the world becomes a horrible place to live.

    • @Squid165
      @Squid165 3 месяца назад +5

      Agreed. The boomers raising children to see life as shades of grey has ruined them. They cannot differentiate between good and evil.

    • @n0b0d1-rc6dz
      @n0b0d1-rc6dz 3 месяца назад +2

      Form (रूप )is emptiness (śūnyatā), emptiness (शून्यता )is form (Rūpa).

    • @city_of_coompton6832
      @city_of_coompton6832 3 месяца назад +1

      So.... should I have oatmeal or eggs for breakfast tomorrow? This is a deep and existential question

    • @city_of_coompton6832
      @city_of_coompton6832 3 месяца назад

      So.... should I have oatmeal or eggs for breakfast tomorrow? This is a deep and existential question

    • @man_at_the_end_of_time
      @man_at_the_end_of_time 3 месяца назад +5

      @@city_of_coompton6832 Eggs. Oatmeal is a grain and with loaded carbs. If you must go steel cut not flakes and certainly not instant oats. ;-)

  • @luigiwithabeard98
    @luigiwithabeard98 4 месяца назад +33

    Love both channels found whatifalt a few years ago already being a history buff and recently found how math to improve my self love both channels love the crossover

  • @lipnoodle117
    @lipnoodle117 2 месяца назад +3

    TO BE FAIR to Homer Simpson, he and Marge met during high school. Back then, Homer was probably more of a 5 or 6, but with work, could've been a 7 or 8.

    • @nneisler
      @nneisler 10 дней назад

      Good job and good dad material

  • @bisky-z3s
    @bisky-z3s 3 месяца назад +6

    The GSR theory is very true. I too am a person who has suffered to the longhouse. I spent 10 years building up my life around music. I started off with a broken spine living in a house with no AC in the south to being able to provide for myself through performing music and hosting events. With that came a lot of attention. I didn't give my attention out wantonly so my ex spent months chiseling down my wall. Eventually after months of asking me out I finally gave her the attention. But it wasn't what she wanted because she realized how much time and effort I was putting toward my career instead. So she decided to make up a lie about me and destroy my reputation (there's also strong evidence that she was dating somebody else who she didn't tell me about). In effect it took away my freedom because no venue would allow me to host there. Somebody (her ex who also pushed out lies about me) attacked me even. All of my friends abandoned me. I asked "how do i apologize for a thing I didn't do? how do you prove a negative?". Only one friend spoke up and he got dragged and cancelled for asking "why go to social media instead of the authorities?". Months later everything is in shambles, I can't support myself and was in a heavy downward spiral that bordered on unsurvivable. She texts me out of the blue apologizing for "ruining" my life. She said she had deep regrets about spreading rumors about me because I was the best friend she had. Didn't matter though because nobody would unblock me, I wasn't allowed back to the venues I helped keep open during lockdowns, and nothing changed. She went around telling the owners and my former friends that she lied and felt bad but nobody would believe it or change their opinion. They benefitted off taking me down so they weren't willing to shrive their beliefs to lose the benefits. Years later I still get a pit in my heart when I pick up my guitar, and in my dreams they are all apologizing to me.

    • @bisky-z3s
      @bisky-z3s 3 месяца назад

      About the projections of the left it is also true by my anecdotal experience. The people who were the most "creepy" and had past transgressions leveraged the rumor to attempt to redeem themselves of their proven and substantiated wrongdoing. I found that the most outspoken about the rumor were those who were projecting. We are entering the end stage of Dr. Calhoun's utopia experiment made manifest. The "Marking" phenomena is in full swing, just look at how many innocents are being thrown on the pyre.

    • @stefanstoic
      @stefanstoic 2 месяца назад +3

      go to a new city. Start all over. do mushrooms DO ANYTHING expect live in the past brother.

  • @Kataklyzm510
    @Kataklyzm510 3 месяца назад +10

    It's sad and hilarious but your "not people" card is my favorite, it explains so much about so many things with two words

  • @JJ-wi2uw
    @JJ-wi2uw 3 месяца назад +8

    No matter how "Awakened" you are; you still have to pay the damn bills.

    • @jameswilkerson4412
      @jameswilkerson4412 2 месяца назад

      What about wokeness teaches otherwise?

    • @jrd33
      @jrd33 28 дней назад

      Or let the State pay them for you, depending on where you live.

  • @nicholaszanker-close1573
    @nicholaszanker-close1573 4 месяца назад +45

    Fuck yes my two favourite RUclips channels collabing, so good

  • @adamwall7852
    @adamwall7852 2 месяца назад +2

    “And I have to imagine I’m not the only person experiencing that” in relation to feeling like you have a lot going for you yet are having ZERO success in dating and finding a mate…that felt allllll to relatable. That’s how I felt for about 4 years in 2020-2024!
    I’m VERY lucky to have finally found my woman :) I’m proposing in November! We’re both so excited to start our lives together!

  • @jakematerne
    @jakematerne 4 месяца назад +56

    “Intercourse between our two audiences” Talk dirty to me, Rudyard😂

  • @RobPtak
    @RobPtak 4 месяца назад +86

    Two of my very favorite RUclipsrs! 😊

  • @christopherscott932
    @christopherscott932 2 месяца назад +4

    Love that I turn 30 and see these young 20somethinh year olds killing it with their ideas and youtube grind

  • @sonicleaves
    @sonicleaves 4 месяца назад +25

    Love Rudyard! He's one of my favorite people.

  • @MaxIronsThird
    @MaxIronsThird 2 месяца назад +4

    The thing that makes think the incel revolution won't be happening anytime soon, is that those prior civilizations didn't have smartphones and video games.
    Angry young boys were bored most of the time when they weren't working, so they had time to think about how bad their lives were, nowadays with 24/7 stimulus, there is no time for thinking.

    • @TomLoveday-y7y
      @TomLoveday-y7y 2 месяца назад

      The left has even more weak angery young males. If Trump wins, they will set up Chaz part two in a lot more places.

    • @leonfa259
      @leonfa259 2 месяца назад

      On the flip side now they are organized. Nowadays reminds me of the 1920s in Germany, 20 Genders and the like we had back then. It took some lingering resentment and a big economic crisis to put in power the people who chose to flip the table.

    • @liarwithagun
      @liarwithagun Месяц назад

      Yep. Keep them comatose. That's why the governments ruining the economy is so dangerous. Once you don't have a house, you can't numb the pain with tech anymore. Or it is much more limited at least.
      Things happen when people reach a certain level of suffering. When they are hungry, thirsty, cold, unwashed, or socially atomized/isolated. Tech is letting people cope with their isolation and numb the ever increasing money troubles. Once that tech is ripped out of people's hands, a lot of people are gonna get real angry real fast.

  • @CuriousGeorge13
    @CuriousGeorge13 4 месяца назад +10

    I think a fundamental reason why modern academic historians don't concern themselves with patterns in history or the relevance of that to the present moment is that the vast majority have an ideological commitment to the liberal notion of progress and progressivism. If we are constantly on some utopian upward trajectory, then why would the past be relevant in that way? It is magical thinking, but much of the establishment is so deeply entrenched in the liberal project that they likely can't imagine any other possibility.

  • @TheChantry
    @TheChantry 4 месяца назад +22

    One newer trend I think that's just beginning to develop is Masculine Empathy deteriorating. Men are no longer feeling that even the basic Caring/Protecting instincts of Western Society are even nominally worthwhile, as damned-if-you-damned-if you-don't attitude is prevalent. We see Men being vilified for intervening in dangerous situations, which makes any benefits non-existent and in fact detrimental.

    • @thek2despot426
      @thek2despot426 3 месяца назад +3

      Can speak to the fact that, as a Gen Z dude, I'm feeling this harder and harder as time goes on, and feeling my idealism slowly die within me is basically a quarter-life crisis.

    • @VancouverInvestor
      @VancouverInvestor 2 месяца назад +1

      That darn Mouse Utopia strikes again. Calhoun ran the experiment 25 times. And every time got the same result. Guess God has a sense of humour after all.

  • @brianmeen2158
    @brianmeen2158 2 месяца назад +3

    One of the main disagreements I have with these two guys is they seem to think approaching women in public(bars, stores, parks) just doesn’t work anymore.. this is just not true. I know guys that still cold approach and I’ve even done it recently. Women are still open to men approaching them sensibly .. I just don’t get why many men in this space don’t think it’s possible..? Are they thinking the women will yell at them or accuse them of sexual harassment? The chance of either of those happening is quite small

    • @bluerain1719
      @bluerain1719 2 месяца назад

      They're afraid of the rejection. they know that most women won't scream at them in the muddle of the street or in a bar if they try to talk to a woman, but they believe that the chances of those women giving them the response that they want will be low. This is why they mainly harp about women's standards and the rates of men not getting matches on dating apps; these numbers deter them from wanting to TRY.

    • @danielchoi5943
      @danielchoi5943 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes, I've been called creepy and it's not really my approach (though when you talk about it, someone can always nitpick a word you said wrong). Constant rejection is ok once you feel accepted, which most people are not accepted in today's society.

    • @jrd33
      @jrd33 28 дней назад

      "One of the main disagreements I have with these two guys is they seem to think approaching women in public(bars, stores, parks) just doesn’t work anymore.. this is just not true." -- hoe_math says it only works if you are a superficially desirable man, in which case pretty much everything works, including waiting for women to approach you. He also distinguishes between areas where social interaction is expected (bars, clubs) and not (shops, public transport). Most men have a finite capacity to handle rejection so he does not recommend going for long shots (such as a 4 man approaching a 7 woman on the train).

  • @samuelmontenegroserniotti7146
    @samuelmontenegroserniotti7146 3 месяца назад +5

    Whenever the other person has a sound disconection, talk to them and ask them to repeat the last 10 seconds of what they said. Helps a lot.

  • @bluemoondiadochi
    @bluemoondiadochi 25 дней назад +1

    28:36 "Civilization goes into the decline once a single class co-opts it." ... "Civilizations in decline feel very sterile, they feel nihilistic."
    39:50 "In these kinds of societies, the entire society becomes run serving a single class interest."

  • @theeightbithero
    @theeightbithero 4 месяца назад +34

    The biggest sin of the field of philosophy is convincing the world that wisdom is nothing more than a dower attitude. Choose joy, brothers. The truly wise are sober and jubilant.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +11

      Dour, yes.
      The problem is that since Thomas Aquinas, philosophy has been about how to justify rejecting his conclusions.

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@michaelmicekhe is a tough act to follow, but we haven't been sending out best

    • @oggassaggaoggaffa
      @oggassaggaoggaffa 4 месяца назад +1

      I think you meant "dour", but well said.

    • @endofdaysg59
      @endofdaysg59 4 месяца назад

      Not all wise are sober

    • @tomspriggs9478
      @tomspriggs9478 4 месяца назад +4

      There is a time for joy, and a time for realistic assessment. This season requires much more realistic assessment and far less pie in the sky.

  • @ohrbahir
    @ohrbahir 2 месяца назад +1

    This was great.
    I'm a 47 year old married man, second marriage, 4 kids from my first wife.
    Also, I listen to Whatifalthist. Rudyard is interesting and perceptive.
    It seems to me greatly stupid and reckless how many people blithely dismiss these issues. It's like people think they have no skin in this game. If it doesn't impinge on my four cubits now, what do I care?
    I have two sons in high school, and one a bit older. Two daughters a bit older than that. Beyond my personal skin in the game, it's madness to dismiss that which touches upon the very propagation of your society or that which will, if unchecked, burn it to the ground.
    I'm a religious Jew, as are my kids. This mitigates the present and encroaching sheisstorm somewhat, but not entirely by any means.
    The best equipped in these issues are insular or semi-insular religious communities. For example, there are a lot of young Sikh kids at my son's high school. They'll be relatively fine.

  • @johnsexton4352
    @johnsexton4352 4 месяца назад +45

    Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it~ Somebody, probably

    • @chadcadsonvii5258
      @chadcadsonvii5258 4 месяца назад +3

      George Santayana, I believe is first attributed to coining this phrase.

    • @therearenoshortcuts9868
      @therearenoshortcuts9868 4 месяца назад +3

      those who don't know shit - are doomed to eat it (shit) lol

    • @turkeytrac1
      @turkeytrac1 4 месяца назад +4

      Even better is from George Hegel, "the only thing we learn from history, is we learn nothing from history".

  • @gregmartin2455
    @gregmartin2455 Месяц назад +1

    You can't just wish. You have to wish upon a star. Seriously, I really like both of you guys. I'm 69 and I've been seeing this coming for decades. Almost no one is going to listen. But as with previous societal collapses there will be pockets that survive and perhaps even thrive. The thing is to figure out where they will be and now to position yourself there with your resources and the ones you care about. Easier said than done, but doable.

  • @kgyore
    @kgyore 3 месяца назад +3

    Great conversations, Mr Hoe. I am glad that you're doing this. Keep asking questions and discussing these issues. We all need to get through this.

  • @xitaris5981
    @xitaris5981 3 месяца назад +2

    Men didn't break women's feet. Women broke their own feet and their daughters' feet.

  • @marcandre8832
    @marcandre8832 4 месяца назад +3

    You guys are two of my favorite youtubers by a long shot. Glad to see you working together

  • @Godofhandles
    @Godofhandles 2 месяца назад +5

    Just a slight criticism, at 11:43 whatifalthistory says that Hinduism comes after Buddhism, Daioism, Greek religions, Zoroastrianism when it’s older then all 4. And Buddhism is a direct off shoot of Hindu mythology, it’s one of the oldest religions.

  • @NoQuarterNoMercy1
    @NoQuarterNoMercy1 3 месяца назад +7

    Is it just me or is it weird that Rudyard is referring to hoemath in the third person instead of the second?

  • @ephraimwinslow
    @ephraimwinslow 4 месяца назад +173

    Coining this term now:
    "The Real Housewives of Mouse Utopia"
    Someone fire up the AI image generators.

  • @dio2076
    @dio2076 4 месяца назад +19

    "THE TREND IS DEAD" - PHA

  • @Danbecker000
    @Danbecker000 4 месяца назад +7

    "I always wanted knowledge and understanding. Now I have it and it hurts."
    I have never related to anything more.
    Put it on a t-shirt and I'll buy one.

    • @DogOneIsOpen
      @DogOneIsOpen 4 месяца назад +1

      “The greater my wisdom, the greater my grief. To increase knowledge only increases sorrow.”
      ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭1‬:‭18‬ ‭NLT‬‬

  • @frankjennings4489
    @frankjennings4489 3 месяца назад +7

    “Asian societies haven’t really conquered anything since 1000 AD”
    *Genghis Khan has entered the chat

    • @alexdunphy3716
      @alexdunphy3716 3 месяца назад

      He ment settled societies. The Mongolians succeeded because they were basically running a mostly ancient European style of a rancher-warrior society which is what allowed them(and various prior europeans peoples) to conquer so much

  • @blairl6304
    @blairl6304 4 месяца назад +24

    Well, it depends what he means by “civil war”. If he means side A and side B engaging in armed conflict, absolutely not, this is a childish viewpoint. If he means a cultural / sociological / economic civil war I’d say 100%, in fact I’d argue it’s already been going on - the battle lines were drawn in November 2016, but the open hostilities began during the lockdowns for the bug.
    I genuinely, truly, honestly don’t believe the 2024 election will be a fair and free election, Trump campaigned in New Jersey / New York and pulled larger crowds than the biggest rock stars even in an extremely deep blue state / area. There’s never been someone (I’m intentionally NOT using the word ‘politician’) the American people so enthusiastically support for President, Trump is a rock star, I’m in DEEP blue California, I work with people who campaigned against Trump - not FOR Biden - just against Trump, people who believed all the fake stories about him, secret Russian spy, secretly racist, going to deport all non-white people, he’s personally going to knock on their door and deport their family members, he’s going to start WWIII, etc) they couldn’t hide their EMOTIONAL reaction to Biden being declared the ‘winner’ the morning after the election when it was clear Trump had an insurmountable lead, Trump easily won, but then we all know what happened, all those magical 100% Biden mail-in-ballots started getting dumped in the exact swing states Biden was losing at 3:00am, everybody who’s intellectually honest knows they rigged itv and stuffed the ballot boxes with mail-in ballots.
    ANYWAY - even those people who ran around my workplace with glee, have now openly admitted they are voting for Trump this election. It’s mostly due to how terrible the economy REALLY is, how bad inflation is, how prices are exploding everywhere while nobody is getting raises to keep up with this 10-15% REAL inflation PER YEAR, and the other factor is how unstable the entire world has become under Biden. Even THEY see the weakness of Biden and the FAR LEFT who controls the administration has emboldened EVERYONE to use this opportunity of weak American leadership to make their moves. America has been weakened across the board, our interests are being attacked all over the place, and the American people are being destroyed financially.
    So if even the most anti-Trump people are going to vote Trump, and Trump is having rock star rallies in deeply blue areas of the country, and the polls even show him leading in all the key swing states - if he loses the people won’t except the fraud again. There’s just too many people who would be aware of the stolen election - and big tech can’t censor the conversation again since Musk bought Twitter / X.
    Anyway - we’re essentially in a civil war.

    • @anthonydhan
      @anthonydhan 2 месяца назад

      @@blairl6304 I hear a lot of folks say similar things. Magical thinking goes in both directions. When I hear the claim that fake mail in ballots caused Trump to lose, many of us ask the following question: If that were so, why did none of the over 60 Trump appointed Federal judges failed to find found fraud?
      Very few of us can examine the evidence for ourselves. We have to rely on others that we trust. So this says that you don’t trust anyone other than Trump to tell you what is true knowledge. It seems to me President Trump has a personal bias to say that the election was lost through fraud. This is why we have to have an “honest” 3rd party, the courts in this case, to adjudicate the matter.
      However, if you cannot believe a right wing judge appointed by President Trump when those judges say that no evidence of fraud was presented, then I say you should have second thoughts on whether what President Trump is telling you is true. Otherwise you are falling into the same kind of magical thinking that Leftist loonies have fallen into.

    • @cloneyy3188
      @cloneyy3188 2 месяца назад

      this is a very interesting take, so i would like to dive into it a bit more. i’m a bit younger so excuse my naïveté but my question is, how would you defend this argument against someone who doesn’t believe that the election was rigged? A far left party member? I haven’t done in-depth research on the election results but I do remember the unwavering support of Anti Trump and I too, ashamed to admit, was one aswell. not by understanding the politics but in fear of social rejection from my peers.

    • @TheBlackfox1115
      @TheBlackfox1115 2 месяца назад

      ​@cloneyy3188 you can't talk to those people more than likely. They are too entrenched in their ideology to be pulled out through conversations. They have to either experience enough pain or they are totally ideologically captured and no amount of pain will break them from their cult. As for the rigging, there are two types. Actually ballot dumps as discussed but also changing laws. Pennsylvania had strict rules about mail in ballots and the Supreme Court decided to not intervene. Then there's the other way of rigging with constant negative media attention for your rival. The demonizing of your political opposition as the left has done to the right is intentional. Herbert Marcuse Repressive tolerance. Look that up.

    • @AwarenessForex
      @AwarenessForex 2 месяца назад

      Dr Shi va Ayadurai . The fact that you've never heard of him proves how powerful the media and conglomerates like Utube are at shadow-banning.

    • @danielmaher964
      @danielmaher964 2 месяца назад

      @@blairl6304 spared civil war by a quarter inch

  • @michaellamont2605
    @michaellamont2605 4 месяца назад +6

    AWESOME ❤
    2 of my favourite creators 🎉
    Thanks guys!

  • @americancapitalist9094
    @americancapitalist9094 3 месяца назад +2

    I’m really digging these collabs. Great discussions.

  • @mmmaxwell5374
    @mmmaxwell5374 3 месяца назад +4

    1:12:30 Around this spot there’s talk of how much it costs to support a family. I used to do cost of living research so be a little skeptical with those numbers. Ask how those numbers were achieved. A better question is what’s the average income of families in an area. We know of families with 4 or more children and they appear to live‘comfortably’. And we live in an expensive urbanized east coast area.
    Yes. Many of them bought homes before prices were crazy, have assistance from family members and are part of communities where there’s another level of support. Also they adjust lifestyle, kids share rooms, Goodwill shopping, old cars, no eating out, cheap vacations (not Disney. Think staying with relatives, camping locally, car trips) and general economizing.

    • @SpikeJonesTheCr0oked
      @SpikeJonesTheCr0oked 3 месяца назад +1

      Or maybe, just maybe those people have good jobs

    • @mmmaxwell5374
      @mmmaxwell5374 3 месяца назад

      @@SpikeJonesTheCr0oked Contractor with his own business, a Sargent, a manager, yes I guess those are good jobs.

    • @Colostomybong
      @Colostomybong 3 месяца назад +2

      Agree. Whenever someone quotes a statistic you gotta look at the methodology for calculating it. BS statistics get accepted by the masses bc it conforms to our existing biases/feelings (Life feels expensive), and then they irresponsibly get repeated by authority figures. *Have hope* I know lots of people raising families in my city that earn half of the ~$200k number that map had for our state. 200K in the South or Midwest is an upper-middle class, top 25% lifestyle. Generations of humans have raised families on far less.

  • @Tyrs_Finox
    @Tyrs_Finox 19 дней назад +1

    I loved how Rudyard called him "Mr. Hoe" the entire time.😆
    The irony of such a deeply intellectual discussion having that in it was delicious, thank you for all of it! 😃

  • @PooplexCanal
    @PooplexCanal 4 месяца назад +2

    26 minutes in and I must say that Whatifalthist's summing up what I've been thinking for some time now and couldn't put into words, for a young man he speaks very maturely. Onto the rest of the talk!

  • @Trizzer89
    @Trizzer89 4 месяца назад +23

    I can understand why young men have anxiety, because they are shat on constantly. But why do Gen Z women have so much anxiety? Is it because they insist on only dating the unattainable Chad? Or maybe they pick up on the anxiety of the boys? Or simply because they didnt touch grass while growing up?

    • @pekka405
      @pekka405 4 месяца назад +20

      Total spitball but probably the societally imposed need to achieve what is required for being a provider without the willingess or need to be said provider, also women tend to compare themselves to other women in terms of attractiveness (=intrasexual competition) and IG etc allows you to compare yourself to all the 10's and 11's of the world. Imagine if a middle school boy playing basketball could only compete against prime kobes, lebrons and jordans, he would probably lose all hope and self esteem. All of this might be cap btw and sources were revealed to me in a dream

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад +3

      Could be widespread emotional neglect in childhood.

    • @sleeper9638
      @sleeper9638 4 месяца назад

      ​@@pekka405 that is what's happening already. 14 year old boys are having their heights and D lengths compared to world star athletes and being called inkwells if they can't compete. Highschool girls no longer only date highschool boys, they're only going after the top 20% of men just like all other women on the planet. All men are now held in direct compariosn with all men, doesn't matter how old they are

    • @AfriqueNY
      @AfriqueNY 3 месяца назад

      Once being average became a dirty word average people have no choice but to feel anxiety. They are waiting for somebody to point out that they are imposters pretending to be on the right side of the bell curve

    • @Trizzer89
      @Trizzer89 2 месяца назад

      ​@@michaelmicek I'm 100% sure boys endure more emotional neglect

  • @Isaax
    @Isaax 4 месяца назад +8

    2 behemoths podcasting together, lets fucking go

  • @robertlorenz2492
    @robertlorenz2492 4 месяца назад +6

    You guys should Collab more often and he should go on Michael Sartain show access Vegas. You guys are both doing well there each fact that was repeated was just a home run and it’s the best I’ve ever heard someone articulate the downfall of a society. Great job.

    • @86shelby
      @86shelby 4 месяца назад

      I was thinking a show with Rollo would be a thought-provoking show.

  • @wesj1064
    @wesj1064 3 месяца назад +6

    Watching this video while waiting for my daughter to finish her judo class on this beautiful sunny summer Sunday when an SUV pulls up, the well dressed gentleman quickly leaves the passenger side, opens and umbrella as he promptly walks to the drivers door, opens it, out walks a woman dressed in a gown, clearly had her hair professionally done. They were clearly attending an important event, likely a wedding. The man's intent was to shelter his date from the scortching sun and gusts of wind.
    Seeing this, I needed to highlight this mans deed, stepped out of my car and stated "you get the award for the best boyfriend or date I've seen in ages". He quips, "where's the certificate? You should see what I did earlier!". I look directly at her, she's smiling as hard someone can, and I say, "keep that man, don't you dare let his chivalry go unacknowledged and unappreciated". She contimued to smile and walk off.
    Sadly, I suspect she will. Hope I am wrong.

  • @denali1566
    @denali1566 3 месяца назад +1

    1:21:55 "I feel like... I always wanted knowledge and understanding, but now, it hurts, and I'm tired."
    I did not come here to be called out like that

  • @aquious953
    @aquious953 4 месяца назад +5

    Impressed with both of your work

  • @HayseedHick
    @HayseedHick 4 месяца назад +7

    I’m very glad these articulate non-delusional voices are getting traction. I thought I had found these two ‘gem stones’ and fancied that there were at least a few people that could ‘explain things’ and that I wasn’t the delusional one. Turns out … there is a bunch of us that like content based on facts. Their assessments make sense. Maybe it’s my RUclips algorithm feeding me ‘just what I want’ … or maybe truth is making a comeback. Lies spread quickly -> it takes truth a while to catch up.

  • @lokidarkbeard2647
    @lokidarkbeard2647 2 месяца назад +1

    I like how they use the word incel like it's not an insult. In reality, most men are volcels. Voluntarily celebate, they could go out and hook up, but choose not to. There's a huge difference.

  • @guardian218
    @guardian218 4 месяца назад +5

    I really enjoyed this conversation. Due to the hoe_math channel…I’ve really been vested in trying to understand more over the last year and lead to the purchase (from Amazon) of roughly 60+ books across psychology, sociology and so on. I just subbed Mr Lynch’s channel and I enjoyed the hell out of the information he provided.
    Last year was a shit year for me and I felt very defeated as I’m now in my 40’s a lot of things I’ve learned over my life has somewhat depressed me…I agree to an extent ignorance is bliss. What I discovered last year was that the purpose to keep me going and not want to slowly repeat the same negative thinking for outcomes and allow excessive rumination which lead to depression and lots of anxiety as I worried the type of world my son would have to face…I realized, I’ve been able to give people hope by trying to motivate them to do a little bit more and try a little hard and work with them on what direction to take. It’s very small elements but I discounted how much little changes can lead to long term changes and that I genuinely feel good when I can help people make progress and believe I can do so much how to bring people up with me.
    *Rambling and grammar issues aside hopefully that made sense.
    So long story long…your content is helpful so please don’t give up. I’m not sure we can stop all of this but maybe like the Asimov Foundation novel…we can shorten the duration of any collapse and set things in place to create a set of documents or content to help those that come after us be lead to a set of ideas or instructions and cut out some despair and heartache. I guess we will see.
    I want to check out your test and help in any way I can. To anyone that reads this…keep developing yourself and hone your skills and talents. You can be more influential than you realize.

  • @MoneyInMouthProductions
    @MoneyInMouthProductions 3 месяца назад +1

    This was absolutely spectacular! I sincerely hope there is a part 2!

  • @multivariateperspective5137
    @multivariateperspective5137 4 месяца назад +4

    The historical trends are aggregates of local acute data samples integrated in various ways to a simplistic stand ins. One of the largest problems is that most people cannot truly (I’m simplifying by merging those without the cerebral hardware or also those without the emotional-intellectual development) to truly understand multivariate analysis applied to current society

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 4 месяца назад

      Fair enough, but what does your analysis suggest?

  • @allynboice
    @allynboice 3 месяца назад +1

    When i hear a women complain that they have been oppressed since the beginning, i remind them of the oracles from ancient greek had the power of the judge, jury, and executioner. Eventually the abuse of power ended that, which is possibly why women were oppressed afterward

  • @markdatheist9179
    @markdatheist9179 3 месяца назад +8

    15:00 Wow. I just lost a ton of respect for this Rudyard dude.
    Its clear this guy is extremely gynocentric if he thinks medieval asia is the perfect example of "men oppressing women".
    That is a comparative statement.
    Saying "young women had their feet tied" is not enough to make such claims when that same society sacrificied young male lives by the literal millions through constant forced conscription.
    Yes, im sorry the average medieval asian woman was forced to wear unconfortable shoes .. but im more sorry the average medieval asian man was forced to jump into a meat grinder.
    The reality is that most societies doing things to "oppress" average women historically ...those same societies were oppressing average men more.
    His insistance in "women had it worse" when they were often the ones left healthy and alive, is peak Simp.

  • @kayciejensen4330
    @kayciejensen4330 2 месяца назад

    At this point, i've retained much of your content. It's been a comfort knowing others are making the same observations and insights. Thank you!

  • @xitaris5981
    @xitaris5981 3 месяца назад +3

    I don't mean to besmirch hoe_math, but he said he was "really jacked", but he showed a picture "at his peak" and it was pretty average. I think he might be underestimating how much his height is effecting his attractiveness level.
    I would guess that he was 25% body fat and not particularly big for his height. He looked pudgy with decent muscles underneath.

    • @ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER
      @ShayPatrickCormacTHEHUNTER 2 месяца назад +3

      Youre taking it too serious. You dont need to be mr Olympia, if you got a decent face and height

  • @ScrubDaddy265
    @ScrubDaddy265 Месяц назад

    I am so glad that the internet has allowed people like Rudy and H_M, myself and others who can look at these things and see these patterns to find each other. For no other reason than to know we aren’t crazy. 🤣

  • @lentilreflection2676
    @lentilreflection2676 4 месяца назад +11

    What is the "haginot line" that Rudyard mentioned at 24:00?

    • @yumtig7444
      @yumtig7444 4 месяца назад +5

      Maginot Line was built to separate France from Germany "for ever". It was never used. Now, roughly 100 years later it is quietly rotting away.

    • @alanhorkan
      @alanhorkan 3 месяца назад +6

      The context isn't entirely clear to me but I believe he's referring to the Hajnal line, part of the work of John Hajnal who studied marriage patterns. (He definitely was not talking about the Maginot Line of fortifications that the French built to defend against Nazi Germany, that resulted in Germany invading through the Benelux countries instead.)

    • @danieltoledo9383
      @danieltoledo9383 3 месяца назад

      The way he describes it I AM THINKING 1950s.

  • @normalsalazar1978
    @normalsalazar1978 3 месяца назад

    So great to see you guys together! Love both of you and really enjoyed the intelligent, informative, thought provoking conversation, thank you!

  • @rhue123
    @rhue123 4 месяца назад +13

    This is the challenge with self taught historians - Bro is full of historical inaccuracies and lacks basic rigour to fact check.
    Dude thinks Hinduism came after buddhism. First coin was 625BC but prior to that the Bronze Age used stone markers to similar effect. Claims Christianity was the first religion to give women rights. Study Egyptian history, heck even in Islam women could own property and that didn’t happen in Europe until centuries later. Bro claims that Asia married women off at 15 during 1000AD, if he ever bothered to pick up literature and read Romeo and Juliet, he will find that Juliet was also 15 years old. This was a common practice in Europe centuries later as well.🤦‍♂️
    I agree with hoe_math that our society is losing its intellectual capacity and self awareness. This self taught historian is a good example of this unfortunately 🤷‍♂️

    • @PaulKHeld
      @PaulKHeld 4 месяца назад +2

      LOL Islam was invented 600 years after Christianity. You are also wrong on the age of starting families. This is a recent invention to hold this off until 18, 20, 30 years. Jewish Bar Mitzvah at 13 might be a clue. Sounds like it is you who needs to check his history instead bro

    • @jameswilkerson4412
      @jameswilkerson4412 2 месяца назад +2

      Yeah, I have a problem with those who say this is putting out thought/theory only because a certain narrative is accepted (“because liberalism” or whatever)->
      here is what REALLY is going on.
      What’s MORE likely is that that assumption^ is missing something key or had been discarded for reasons that whomever is making said assumption had not yet realized.

  • @adon2424
    @adon2424 Месяц назад

    I am a boomer and i understand everything you discussed. Very insightful and i appreciate your dedication. I still cannot believe how much society has changed in my lifetime. But i never thought it would collapse and reboot.

  • @multivariateperspective5137
    @multivariateperspective5137 4 месяца назад +5

    Excellent quote
    You need to have an equal amount of faith and logic. Too much logic without faith turns into mental masturbation.
    So awesome.

  • @chairisamira4576
    @chairisamira4576 Месяц назад +1

    Protect these men !

  • @sonicleaves
    @sonicleaves 4 месяца назад +8

    Just finished this video and it was fantastic! Rudyard, please do a video on magical thinking!

  • @jeremymullens7167
    @jeremymullens7167 2 месяца назад +1

    I’m in Arkansas. I don’t really subscribe to the apparently dominant conservative view here. However, I haven’t lost my mind either.
    In central Arkansas, I have problems with people stating facts. Not my opinion on them. The honest state of the world.
    The example that has happened with me is that Puerto Rico is mostly pro U.S. the opinion to leave to U.S. is an extreme minority there. However there are people who don’t want to be a state for tax reasons. The pro state people are above 50% though.
    This runs counter to America bad. Now I have wrong think and bad political views when I didn’t even state an opinion or expose any views.
    When I disagree with a conservative they listen to my points and will generally accept the facts I give them but maybe contribute in some way.
    If you want away from it, you’d have to find a very small community.
    I have a hard time recognizing if it’s time or location that’s colored my experience.

  • @shellshocktm
    @shellshocktm 4 месяца назад +23

    Oh man, the live chat was rough. I've been watching Rudyard for a while and I can vouch that he's done his homework and knows what he's talking about. I don't expect viewers of this channel to understand. No offense to hoe math but most of the people his videos attract wouldn't be joining mensa any time soon but the irony is that underneath the provocative channel name and childlike drawings there's a good groundwork for real social science that will go right over a lot of dudes' heads as they're just perusing youtube, looking for more content dunking on women.

    • @chrismay2298
      @chrismay2298 4 месяца назад +6

      Another "smartest guy in the room"... LOL!

    • @Grahamulet
      @Grahamulet 3 месяца назад +3

      Great point. I often find myself in the trap of "Haha I wanna see women get dunked on", but Rudyard really gives out great explanations of why things are the way they are without insults or jokes. Love HM, of course, but the deeper understanding is great.

  • @dolphincheddarsoup
    @dolphincheddarsoup 4 месяца назад +30

    Nice collaboration; both creators make me feel less than/unproductive in my 30s 😅

    • @TheUltimegaMan
      @TheUltimegaMan 4 месяца назад +5

      Yup, just turned 30 last year and trying not to be on the edge of the decline.

    • @hoe_math
      @hoe_math  4 месяца назад +48

      I was bottom 20th percentile income for like 17 years don't stress

    • @Butlins14
      @Butlins14 4 месяца назад

      ​@@hoe_mathI'm top 1% and bench 350lbs and I'm still invisible to women

    • @Jaydavid25.
      @Jaydavid25. 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, I just turned 30 as well, and oof.. But like Hoe_math said, I won't stress.. LOL..

    • @somedandy7694
      @somedandy7694 3 месяца назад +1

      3 weeks late.
      I'm 37 and entered my 30s being looked down on (for being old, not being a bad boy, not having enough sexperience). I worked on upping my charisma and embracing my hobby. Find people that share your interests and the connections will make you feel better. We're still young. We will adapt.

  • @nicholasmercorella5318
    @nicholasmercorella5318 2 месяца назад

    I’m an older X’er who has considered most of the subjects you both discuss through most of my life. Your content is interesting to me because it makes me realize that I’m not alone and you present perspectives that I haven’t considered. Keep up the great work. Side note, I pity you guys for your youth. The world is winding down and your generation will live through some tough times. Keep presenting your perspectives, you may increase the numbers of solid people who will help you rebuild.

  • @aisackson
    @aisackson 4 месяца назад +7

    We live during very insane times, but it's important to remember that the people driving this insanity aren't having kids. We are screwed, but in a couple generations more functional cultures will replace this one. Hopefully those people learn from our mistakes.

    • @TheUltimegaMan
      @TheUltimegaMan 4 месяца назад +8

      Yeah, but they’re also ruining the future for the people that are having kids.

    • @KT-pv3kl
      @KT-pv3kl 4 месяца назад

      In a couple generations we will have a cyberpunk dystopian version of neofeudalism where the top 1% control 99% of everything with enough technology to prevent any form of uprising or revolution via drugs , social engineering, genetic manipulation and algorithms controlling and monitoring every aspect of society.

    • @kkkmmmhy
      @kkkmmmhy 4 месяца назад +1

      Oh really? Then why does Ursula von der Leyen and other influential politicians have so many children? It's exactly the people who are making the world a circus right now the ones who are going to pass on the rule to their children. Ordinary people and their opinions, no matter how looney-tooney they are, don't really matter that much as they are simply cogs in the machine and not the "clockmaker".

    • @jem77469
      @jem77469 4 месяца назад

      It doesn't matter that the insane ones aren't having kids. The problem is their memes, not their genes. Their methods of reproduction include Tiktok, Instagram, public schools, and many more.

    • @tomspriggs9478
      @tomspriggs9478 4 месяца назад +1

      True, but the population setback will be huge, and will create a sizable opening for the Muslims to take a lot of ground in the world if not most of it.

  • @maxjosephwheeler
    @maxjosephwheeler 4 месяца назад +4

    *I'm so glad to have you guys as Internet friends.*

  • @grassulargranite
    @grassulargranite 2 месяца назад

    I am deeply pleased at how well adjusted my Zoomer son and daughter are. They don’t want to come back to the town of their youth. They enjoy hopping into their cars and driving 6 hours to see their Grandma or meet friends at an air bn or drive 10 hours to a competitive shooting competition. Both are very successfully positioning themselves to buy homes. Both are in long term relationships. It is apparent to me how messed up many of their contemporaries are and they share stories with me. It’s not husband’s and mine’s Gen X world anymore.

  • @barrackobama2422
    @barrackobama2422 3 месяца назад +3

    No fucking way Rudyard just said "Part of the ship, part of the crew"

    • @somedandy7694
      @somedandy7694 3 месяца назад

      I constantly say that at work.