Feminism vs. Patriarchy in History [with Rudyard Lynch of Whatifalthist]

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  • Опубликовано: 23 май 2024
  • Feminism is new, and it's the first time women have ever used girl power to get freedom from evil men who held them back for no reason since forever. Right? Not really.
    Rudyard explains to hoe_math the history of patriarchal vs feminist control over societies of the past, what patterns we've seen, and how to know what's coming next.

Комментарии • 898

  • @HoOGenghisB
    @HoOGenghisB 21 день назад +247

    “Mr. Hoe and I..”
    Lost it 😅

  • @Anicca108
    @Anicca108 22 дня назад +437

    In defense of Zoomers’ mental issues: “It’s no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” - Krishnamurti

    • @BorgCreations
      @BorgCreations 22 дня назад +80

      Imagine calling people's natural reaction to a collapsing civilization a sickness and blame it on themselves. Truly evil.

    • @pekka405
      @pekka405 22 дня назад +10

      People always adapt

    • @TerranceBhS
      @TerranceBhS 22 дня назад +34

      ​@@pekka405 That's true, but adaptation shouldn't come at a cost of constantly popping pills to be well-adjusted.

    • @pistonsjem
      @pistonsjem 22 дня назад

      @@TerranceBhS popping pills just prolongs the inevitable. Like leaks on a sinking ship, you either notice it in time or you dont.

    • @BarnJ
      @BarnJ 21 день назад

      ​@@TerranceBhS yeah the pills thing is obviously a "treating the symptoms instead of the disease" type of situation. ADHD is the best example, where you place kids in a very unnatural setting and try to force them to behave contrary to their instincts (don't play, be quiet, sit still, listen to boring stuff without us explaining why it matters) and instead of questioning how we teach, we lobotomize them with baby-meth so they'll go along with the program. I think there's more recognition of this now and more distrust in the "solve everything with a pill" economy and it will eventually correct itself.

  • @MikeJones-wp2mw
    @MikeJones-wp2mw 22 дня назад +325

    Hoe Math quote of the day "They want to go straight to space gay communism."

    • @castratedbob
      @castratedbob 22 дня назад

      "Real automated gay space communism hasn't been tried, aktually" 😂😂

    • @buckaroobonzai2909
      @buckaroobonzai2909 22 дня назад +20

      The flat earthers will fix that problem. Don't worry.

    • @CameronBrown-ph9do
      @CameronBrown-ph9do 21 день назад

      Not wrong, the number of commies who sincerely think star trek communism is the "answer" is alarming.

    • @sethv.1349
      @sethv.1349 21 день назад

      Americans may just want their tax money to pay for their health care like the rest of the industrialized world does, instead of wars and Walmart subsidies.

    • @Redmanticore
      @Redmanticore 21 день назад +25

      thats exactly what tech bros promise us with automation and AI, to be fair.

  • @samiamgreeneggsandham7587
    @samiamgreeneggsandham7587 22 дня назад +264

    Rudyard is a bit of a dork and he sometimes makes statements indicating delusions of grandeur, but his channel content is nonetheless interesting, and he’s much better read than 99.9% of people his age. Glad to see the mathematician and the historian getting together.

    • @ProzacStylings
      @ProzacStylings 22 дня назад +44

      He needs to be better informed on biology and adjacent fields. He's using the feminine perception of Asian men in his arguments and displaying a huge ignorance of the biological underpinning of that.

    • @bie806
      @bie806 21 день назад +11

      Your comment is a great example of that gossiping, rallying, shaming they talked about.

    • @Nethershock
      @Nethershock 21 день назад +15

      Anyone who talks about masculinity and doesn't lift/train isn't an expert. He makes good points but the delusions of grandeur are from physical weakness. He's trying to make minds robust, but the form leads the spirit.

    • @niczvr
      @niczvr 21 день назад +1

      ​@@bie806how so?

    • @holidaytrout5174
      @holidaytrout5174 21 день назад

      Accurate

  • @messertl
    @messertl 22 дня назад +159

    As a Gen X'er, this video helped me understand how completely insane dating is for Gen Z's and Millennials.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад +25

      I observe, as a Gen Xer, that we were contracepted, aborted, neglected, invalidated, and impoverished; but I guess things have largely gone downhill the last 40 years.

    • @messertl
      @messertl 22 дня назад +46

      Sure all those things happened to Gen Xers. But at least we got to play outside and they were not trying to convince us to cut off our genitals.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад +14

      @@messertl I think I came across as more ironic than I should have.
      In all seriousness, yes, things seem to have continued to get even worse for typical Americans.

    • @pete5691
      @pete5691 21 день назад +25

      Gen x were raised by boomers, which means raised by the babysitter and tv so our boss moms could work. However what was on tv still had gender norms that made sense and kids movies and shows still had a hero and a girl longing for love. There also was not quite as much anti-wyte propaganda infused into media. Right now I challenge you to find anything watchable by kids that by 80’s and 90’s standards makes any sense as far as norms. Gone are shows with exclusively male heroes or girls longing for love-replaced by 100 pound girl bosses beating up 200 pound guys and clueless men being shown how to do things by mary sues. The list goes on and gets worse and worse. It’s being done TO us not BY us btw.

    • @daniellane419
      @daniellane419 21 день назад

      I’m a Gen X that figured out how much the world was changing in 2009.
      There’s nothing more frustrating than arguing with a boomer every time they tell millennials and Zoomers to just do it the way they did . The boomers have no concept of the current reality these kids and young adults are facing.

  • @theflamingone8729
    @theflamingone8729 22 дня назад +256

    It's not male sexlessness, it's males rejected by their community.
    Those men didn't go to fight for their countries, or their flag etc. They went to fight for their families, their communities and their standard of living.
    Those are also the things men work for and develop for, develop themselves and develop better technologies and strategies.

    • @andrewharris5281
      @andrewharris5281 22 дня назад +33

      And the bureaucracy has been built up to take from what men make and redistribute it to those who claim to deserve it.
      And it has mutated into a creature that has punished those who do for those who for those who risk. And those who risk for those who can’t/won’t. Which is why you have the successful saying, just take a risk and work on building something and others who say I can get ahead by being a victim.

    • @pyronderman9055
      @pyronderman9055 21 день назад +4

      you are wrong. I would die for my country for my flag, and for the restoration of my king. Yet i have no family to fight for.

    • @theflamingone8729
      @theflamingone8729 21 день назад +20

      @@pyronderman9055 I hope you don't.

    • @alexgame3357
      @alexgame3357 21 день назад

      @@pyronderman9055 Yes, there used to be institutions for men who did not have a family and could dedicate their lives to the glory of God and their society, unfortunately they have taken that away from us. So now all we have is lonely, angry incels who are apparently the biggest threat to national security that has ever existed.

    • @jollypolly1686
      @jollypolly1686 21 день назад +7

      @@pyronderman9055 At some level of consciousness you still have the desire and hope for a family within that country and under the values it's flag represents. So it does come back to family, community and values indirectly.

  • @floridaman3823
    @floridaman3823 2 дня назад +11

    "Everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power." -Oscar Wilde

  • @alexmeier1
    @alexmeier1 22 дня назад +159

    1:23:20 "I think that I always really wanted knowledge and understanding, and now I have it, and it hurts, and I'm tired". I felt that.

    • @RexJacobus-bb1vw
      @RexJacobus-bb1vw 22 дня назад +22

      Ecclesiastes 1:18 KJV - 18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

    • @Stoneybv
      @Stoneybv 22 дня назад +4

      Great power comes great responsibility

    • @rumorcontrol7873
      @rumorcontrol7873 21 день назад +3

      "He chose the path of eternal torment.."

    • @bluebutterfly5062
      @bluebutterfly5062 20 дней назад +2

      Ignorance is bliss

  • @popofabulous
    @popofabulous 21 день назад +94

    HM is a great interviewer. He actually listens for a reply instead of over talking the guest and makes poignant observations.

    • @davidwalker8195
      @davidwalker8195 18 дней назад +4

      I watched someone interview HM and twenty minutes in HM had said 3 sentences.

    • @chipcook5346
      @chipcook5346 9 дней назад +2

      Yeah. I listened to the Jolly Heretic interview Rudyard, and it was a painful slog to the place Dutton wanted to go. That's fine, but not so much in an interview. This is an exploration which is far more enjoyable and illuminating.

  • @TheInterwebzMan
    @TheInterwebzMan 22 дня назад +397

    Great chat! This dude is a juggernaut at 22 years old

    • @LamelKendrick
      @LamelKendrick 22 дня назад +16

      he was phenomenal

    • @xboneyt485
      @xboneyt485 22 дня назад +46

      Looks like he's in his late 30's or early 40's
      Wonder why he can't get a girlfriend...
      A mystery we'll never unravel...

    • @asura8495
      @asura8495 22 дня назад +27

      ​@@xboneyt485 what makes you think that? he never complained about that

    • @-blackcat-4749
      @-blackcat-4749 22 дня назад +46

      That was a 📐 unchanging performance. Part of the routine

    • @nickc3856
      @nickc3856 22 дня назад +47

      ​@@xboneyt485 you're projecting lmao

  • @sanluisflyer
    @sanluisflyer 19 дней назад +42

    A 1%er here - I frequently look around & ask how are average people making it? The answer is they’re not & that’s bad for society. Ultimately, it will self correct & I don’t fault any young man for being pi$$ed- I’m in my 40s & “made it” -I’m furious too….

    • @willshad
      @willshad 15 дней назад +4

      The only people who think that money will make you happy are those that don't have it.

    • @biscottigelato8574
      @biscottigelato8574 10 дней назад +2

      I think I'm 1% wealth-wise. 39 years old. Doesn't help sh!t. So many forces beyond economics in play here. Money is just digits in a database, regardless if its USD or BTC.

    • @ChaosXcrusheD
      @ChaosXcrusheD 8 дней назад +7

      It won't "self correct" because the system isn't designed to allow corrections.
      The system is designed to extract maximum value regardless of its effect and once all value is extracted, everything collapses into ash and dust.
      The 1% lives and gets to be fat, happy, and breed unrestricted. 99% is enslaved or eliminated.

    • @CoochSmooch
      @CoochSmooch 4 дня назад

      Having no family, friends, or sense of community can do that
      Be rich in wealth & the soul to live stress free & happy

  • @AnglophobiaIsevil7
    @AnglophobiaIsevil7 22 дня назад +131

    "fully automated spacegay communism"
    😂😂😂

    • @Alexander_the_Average
      @Alexander_the_Average 20 дней назад +4

      Yes that was hilarious! Pretty accurate when I think about it😂

    • @Kaizen747
      @Kaizen747 7 дней назад +1

      @@Alexander_the_Average ikr, future were are heading lol

  • @xaxaiuedufraine4897
    @xaxaiuedufraine4897 22 дня назад +60

    Rudyard's audio cut out at multiple key moments. It would be great to have subtitles to fill those in, assuming that information isn't simply lost. Otherwise excellent talk.

  • @pocketz2202
    @pocketz2202 18 дней назад +25

    "Periods of feminisim is correlated with social degeneracy." Lmao..... Holy shit, that just made my day.

    • @spambot_gpt7
      @spambot_gpt7 День назад

      The health of a society can be measured by the relative success of productive, but naive autists vs smooth talking psychopaths & cluster Bs.
      Basically productivity vs manipulative proxy power.
      The number of books in stores that promise to teach you "the secret techniques of psychos" is very worrying.

  • @pookatim
    @pookatim 10 дней назад +22

    Old man here. I just want to tell young people that life is binary. Either everything you do matters or nothing you do matters. You must decide which is correct. There is no in between. Both are rather frightening. If everything you do matters, you bear a heavy load. If nothing you do matters life has no meaning. Just remember, if everything you do matters, you matter. You have something to offer and the world will be better off with you in it. If nothing you do matters, you don't matter and the world becomes a horrible place to live.

    • @Squid165
      @Squid165 3 дня назад +1

      Agreed. The boomers raising children to see life as shades of grey has ruined them. They cannot differentiate between good and evil.

    • @n0b0d1-rc6dz
      @n0b0d1-rc6dz 3 дня назад +1

      Form (रूप )is emptiness (śūnyatā), emptiness (शून्यता )is form (Rūpa).

    • @city_of_coompton6832
      @city_of_coompton6832 2 дня назад

      So.... should I have oatmeal or eggs for breakfast tomorrow? This is a deep and existential question

    • @city_of_coompton6832
      @city_of_coompton6832 2 дня назад

      So.... should I have oatmeal or eggs for breakfast tomorrow? This is a deep and existential question

  • @michaelosborne7532
    @michaelosborne7532 14 дней назад +9

    “The values of the bureaucracy have just filtered down into the lower classes, and everybody is trying to mimic them; and the more that they do that, the more it doesn’t work, because bureaucracy is fundamentally non-productive”.
    Great insight.

  • @johngordon6792
    @johngordon6792 22 дня назад +52

    This is the best colab that I've seen hoe_math do. It's interesting to get the historical perspective on what is happening today. I've gotta say that I see signs in RL of the world getting worse, but the online environment and the news can make things seem worse than they really are. Basically I'm asking, "Are things really this bad or is it my own confirmation bias telling me these things?" This confirms that things really have gotten bad, and the shit is ready to hit the fan.
    This was enlightening and gave a sense of perspecitive of where things are now.

    • @impudentdomain
      @impudentdomain 22 дня назад

      no things are not as bad as they seem on the internet, they are horribly worse. Why ? because at least on the internet there are some people who recognize what is going on but in real life there are millions and millions of ignorant people with their heads in the sand or who are easily manipulated by the elites.

  • @CalmBeforeTheStorm76
    @CalmBeforeTheStorm76 22 дня назад +130

    Finally, some actual intellectuals taking anthropology seriously and using it for what it was intended to do... which is to explain human behavior on a universal and non-biased level. Great to see you both blazing a trail that needs to be ummm...re-blazed. Lol

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 22 дня назад +10

      nonbiased lol

    • @Jayr8367
      @Jayr8367 22 дня назад +9

      This is the crux of human history. There is always new people who haven't learned the lessons of the past. This is why tough on crime doesn't reduce crime, because there are always new people committing old crimes. The thing that reduces the crime rate has always been making less people poor and unhoused. If people have buying power to buy things and own a home they tend to commit *less* crimes because they have hope for the future. Hope is a powerful thing.

    • @Wingedmagician
      @Wingedmagician 22 дня назад +2

      hoemath has got some work to do before he can call himself an intellectual as much as I love him 😂 and not that he would

    • @Marcara081
      @Marcara081 22 дня назад +1

      Let me introduce you to Thinking Ape a.k.a. Stardusk who helped launch MGTOW and has been applying this information for over 15 years.
      'Finally' ha ha, riiiiiight. Finally the algorithm let you see some Redpill content more like.
      And not the good stuff either.

    • @triggeringsmuganimepfp7611
      @triggeringsmuganimepfp7611 19 дней назад

      Thinking Ape is a blackpiller. Nothing wrong with that, but he isn't interested or believes anything can be healed. I used to think alike, before knowing hoe_math. Not the he will solve the issue, he is lighting the spark.

  • @HayseedHick
    @HayseedHick 22 дня назад +80

    This has been unusually edifying

    • @jondspen
      @jondspen 22 дня назад +8

      This was a good one. Don't agree with a few minor points, but overall think it was spot on.

  • @LamelKendrick
    @LamelKendrick 22 дня назад +222

    Chat gave him a hard time but this guy is an absolute intellectual powerhouse especially at 22. Very impressed. At 50 he will be scary smart.

    • @xboneyt485
      @xboneyt485 22 дня назад +46

      You speak like someone with limited life experience.
      Like a star athlete, an intellectual can also squander potential or live past their "intellectual prime". Especially if the flirt with bitter/nihilistic philosophy

    • @LamelKendrick
      @LamelKendrick 22 дня назад +30

      @@xboneyt485 i will wear limited life experience as a badge of honor

    • @ephraimwinslow
      @ephraimwinslow 22 дня назад +40

      @@xboneyt485
      Bro? You're talkin' like someone afflicted by "that-old-guy" syndrome.
      Why hector the kid for recognizing potential on the basis that it *might* go unfulfilled?
      That's just broadcasting pessimism under the guise of spreading wisdom.
      (I'd hazard to guess OP was previously aware of trainwrecks before you wheeled your handcart into earshot to tell him he don'-know-Schitt.)

    • @xboneyt485
      @xboneyt485 22 дня назад +3

      ​@@ephraimwinslow So many leaps of logic in this reply of yours.
      OP made a statement with no room for nuance.
      If you take my response to him as an attack and not a warning/other perspective. Says more about you than it does about me

    • @ShadeDraws
      @ShadeDraws 22 дня назад +2

      @@LamelKendrick I'm sure you wear being a lo ser as a badge of honor.

  • @tinman3586
    @tinman3586 22 дня назад +20

    You can't underestimate what the p-demic, (really the overreaction to it not the sickness itself) did to wreck American society. But many of those issues were already there, the event just pulled back the curtain and exposed, and exasperated many underlying issues.

    • @spambot_gpt7
      @spambot_gpt7 День назад +1

      The event also showed how far due process & justice have sunk.
      Before, with the Eddy Snowdy leaks etc. everybody could pretend: "State overreach is not nice, but it doesn't affect my life"
      Guess what. Now, it did.
      And it will do it again.

  • @donaldbond4304
    @donaldbond4304 20 дней назад +25

    Humans thinking are like cats swimming. they can do it, but they would really prefer not to

    • @CoochSmooch
      @CoochSmooch 4 дня назад

      It burns calories to think & we evolved to preserve our calories as much as possible

  • @JoshWoodcock
    @JoshWoodcock 22 дня назад +51

    "Live outside and eat squirrels"

    • @shivlad6229
      @shivlad6229 22 дня назад +2

      Yummy 😋😋😋😋

    • @PBVader
      @PBVader 22 дня назад +2

      Hug bears, kiss trees and wrap your booboos with lily pads.

  • @nkoppa5332
    @nkoppa5332 22 дня назад +37

    a meeting of the minds.
    Academia hates when disciplines connect with eachother

    • @stevecooper7883
      @stevecooper7883 22 дня назад +2

      Integration is the first historical milestone in philosophy 😊

  • @MrCusefan44
    @MrCusefan44 21 день назад +26

    I’m Gen X. I was at an airport last week and my flight was delayed, so I hit a bar and started talking to two 25 year old men that were there. It was obvious to me they were very guarded in what they were saying, until I made a comment that made it clear I understood the challenges they’d already faced and were facing now - the conversation got much more interesting and engaging after that.
    I’m not sure I really understood how the typical Gen X guy is perceived by younger men - but talking to my peers most of them are delusional idiots who think college is basically the same as it was in the 90s.

    • @tomspriggs9478
      @tomspriggs9478 21 день назад +7

      People get so involved in their own lives, they lose track of how things change. They move on to a different place in life and never really look back/down to see the shifting ground under their feet.

    • @davedoe6445
      @davedoe6445 15 дней назад

      I went to a very male biased college (not a chad) in the 90’s and I think it feels exactly the same as the zoomers talk about today

  • @luigiwithabeard98
    @luigiwithabeard98 22 дня назад +30

    Love both channels found whatifalt a few years ago already being a history buff and recently found how math to improve my self love both channels love the crossover

  • @tomtom21194
    @tomtom21194 22 дня назад +27

    "I always wanted knowldge and understanding; now i have it and it hurts and i'm tired." Shit man, that hit me.
    Its like all my thinking, reading trying to understand made things harder to live in reality, not easier

    • @Stoneybv
      @Stoneybv 22 дня назад +2

      That's what makes it beautiful

    • @dustins382
      @dustins382 12 дней назад +1

      "analysis paralysis"
      Can't spend all your life just going for the information, at some point we must take a leap and experience something, even if there's a chance of it being bad, you just do your best to take what you've learned to mitigate risk, because obviously talking a mindless leap might end up being your last leap.

  • @nicholaszanker-close1573
    @nicholaszanker-close1573 22 дня назад +37

    Fuck yes my two favourite RUclips channels collabing, so good

  • @RobPtak
    @RobPtak 22 дня назад +76

    Two of my very favorite RUclipsrs! 😊

  • @sonicleaves
    @sonicleaves 22 дня назад +25

    Love Rudyard! He's one of my favorite people.

  • @marcandre8832
    @marcandre8832 22 дня назад +3

    You guys are two of my favorite youtubers by a long shot. Glad to see you working together

  • @Alexander_the_Average
    @Alexander_the_Average 22 дня назад +35

    “For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.”
    Ecclesiastes 1:18 KJV

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад +1

      Interesting to compare that guy's experience with Mr Hoe's

    • @Alexander_the_Average
      @Alexander_the_Average 22 дня назад

      @@michaelmicek yes! It was a cross over I did not expect! Turned out pretty good!

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 21 день назад +3

      @@Alexander_the_Average I meant the author of Ecclesiastes, presumed to be the guy renowned for his wisdom but brought down by his 900 sexual partners.

    • @Alexander_the_Average
      @Alexander_the_Average 21 день назад +3

      @@michaelmicek oh yes my bad! It is Interesting to compare King Solomon and Mr. Hoe math! There is nothing new under the sun.

  • @kaptainwarp
    @kaptainwarp 22 дня назад +16

    I actually DO want to live through "The uprising of the Sub-8 men". It promises to be quite a spectacle.

    • @Dave-um7mw
      @Dave-um7mw 2 дня назад +3

      I disagree. Every revolution was a very rough time to live through. I'll take a golden age of peace and prosperity over revolution any day.

    • @city_of_coompton6832
      @city_of_coompton6832 2 дня назад

      @@Dave-um7mw Every revolution (that's succeeded) was planned and sponsored by second-tier elites vying for the top position. They get the plebs riled up and use them as pawns.

  • @jakematerne
    @jakematerne 22 дня назад +36

    “Intercourse between our two audiences” Talk dirty to me, Rudyard😂

  • @ephraimwinslow
    @ephraimwinslow 22 дня назад +156

    Coining this term now:
    "The Real Housewives of Mouse Utopia"
    Someone fire up the AI image generators.

  • @kgyore
    @kgyore 13 дней назад +2

    Great conversations, Mr Hoe. I am glad that you're doing this. Keep asking questions and discussing these issues. We all need to get through this.

  • @michaellamont2605
    @michaellamont2605 22 дня назад +4

    AWESOME ❤
    2 of my favourite creators 🎉
    Thanks guys!

  • @johnsexton4352
    @johnsexton4352 22 дня назад +42

    Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it~ Somebody, probably

    • @chadcadsonvii5258
      @chadcadsonvii5258 22 дня назад +3

      George Santayana, I believe is first attributed to coining this phrase.

    • @RJG5
      @RJG5 22 дня назад +2

      @@chadcadsonvii5258 the guy from seinfeld?

    • @therearenoshortcuts9868
      @therearenoshortcuts9868 22 дня назад +3

      those who don't know shit - are doomed to eat it (shit) lol

    • @turkeytrac1
      @turkeytrac1 19 дней назад +3

      Even better is from George Hegel, "the only thing we learn from history, is we learn nothing from history".

  • @ceasersherniateddisk8614
    @ceasersherniateddisk8614 22 дня назад

    Ive been watching both of you for a while now, this has got to be the best crossover in a long time

  • @xiennorth
    @xiennorth 22 дня назад +1

    That was incredible and we need more of this - between you two and MORE.

  • @theeightbithero
    @theeightbithero 22 дня назад +28

    The biggest sin of the field of philosophy is convincing the world that wisdom is nothing more than a dower attitude. Choose joy, brothers. The truly wise are sober and jubilant.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад +8

      Dour, yes.
      The problem is that since Thomas Aquinas, philosophy has been about how to justify rejecting his conclusions.

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 21 день назад +1

      ​@@michaelmicekhe is a tough act to follow, but we haven't been sending out best

    • @oggassaggaoggaffa
      @oggassaggaoggaffa 21 день назад +1

      I think you meant "dour", but well said.

    • @endofdaysg59
      @endofdaysg59 21 день назад

      Not all wise are sober

    • @tomspriggs9478
      @tomspriggs9478 21 день назад +3

      There is a time for joy, and a time for realistic assessment. This season requires much more realistic assessment and far less pie in the sky.

  • @americancapitalist9094
    @americancapitalist9094 16 дней назад +1

    I’m really digging these collabs. Great discussions.

  • @MoneyInMouthProductions
    @MoneyInMouthProductions 9 дней назад

    This was absolutely spectacular! I sincerely hope there is a part 2!

  • @user-pz7ux1lv7f
    @user-pz7ux1lv7f 22 дня назад +1

    Thanks for the video, I found your channel today and I'm really enjoying this content!

  • @stalfosguardian5573
    @stalfosguardian5573 20 дней назад

    I love both of your channels gentlemen. This is a great collaboration.

  • @thegameguy911
    @thegameguy911 22 дня назад +18

    Honestly a better crossover event than infinity war, i only have one question: where can i sign up for the levels of thinking evaluation? Im very interested and want to participate in more of these type events. Much love, thank you both for this peculiar moment even my perents agree with the things youre both speaking!

  • @jaredvaughan1665
    @jaredvaughan1665 4 дня назад +4

    Instead of supporting kids, we are supporting the baby boomers' retirements through high taxes.

  • @PooplexCanal
    @PooplexCanal 19 дней назад +2

    26 minutes in and I must say that Whatifalthist's summing up what I've been thinking for some time now and couldn't put into words, for a young man he speaks very maturely. Onto the rest of the talk!

  • @TheChantry
    @TheChantry 20 дней назад +5

    One newer trend I think that's just beginning to develop is Masculine Empathy deteriorating. Men are no longer feeling that even the basic Caring/Protecting instincts of Western Society are even nominally worthwhile, as damned-if-you-damned-if you-don't attitude is prevalent. We see Men being vilified for intervening in dangerous situations, which makes any benefits non-existent and in fact detrimental.

  • @aquious953
    @aquious953 22 дня назад +5

    Impressed with both of your work

  • @immanuelkant6607
    @immanuelkant6607 12 дней назад

    Great idea to make this channel a platform! More of this please! As long as there's knowledge over just information.

  • @danielstevens6384
    @danielstevens6384 22 дня назад

    Awesome discussion gents, hope you do more in the future!!

  • @dio2076
    @dio2076 22 дня назад +19

    "THE TREND IS DEAD" - PHA

  • @OfficialCronex
    @OfficialCronex 22 дня назад +1

    Insanely good content keep it up, people need to start listening!

  • @kenthedude2758
    @kenthedude2758 22 дня назад

    Great video. Definitely challenged a few ideas I had about history.

  • @Ghaos
    @Ghaos 20 дней назад +1

    Thank you both for doing this, you both are favorite youtubers as of late, and I really dig your contributions. Two question: For Whatif: in America should we expect the mouse utopia to be universal, or will it only happen to the American Left? For Hoe_math:, since online media and street interviews appear to be the primary way you receive sociological data, have you considered the possibility that the data may be skewed based on the interviewers and interviewees desire for virality and not truth/accuracy?

  • @truth-uncensored2426
    @truth-uncensored2426 11 дней назад +17

    Whatifalthist is wrong that arranged marriages were not common in Europe, they were common all over Europe even as recently as 1700-1800, they were even more common among the elites and royalty. Also the inventiveness of countries inside the Hajnal line has nothing to do with the permissive treatment of women but with the average IQ of these societies, which was "boosted" by different selections events like the black plague and other "wipe out" bottlenecks, these have the effect of increasing the genetic quality of the population. Culture also matters for sure but these golden periods of high intellectual productivity have a genetic basis as well, they are solely the product of cultural practices.

    • @benaiahwright937
      @benaiahwright937 10 дней назад +1

      I agree with this

    • @user-nq2oz8tf2l
      @user-nq2oz8tf2l 5 дней назад +4

      Yeah and he says it to try and make the most extreme assumptions about asian cultures. He's comparing a very short period of European history with a massive span for Asia. Ridiculous! For example when the Mongols took over China they introduced the ability for women to divorce and own property despite it falling under the very masculine and patriarchal banner bringing strict rules to adultery, order, and safe trade and even postal stations. As he himself claimed, history is messy.

    • @Dave-um7mw
      @Dave-um7mw 2 дня назад

      Hang on. How was IQ boosted by The Black Death? Did it only kill stupid people?

  • @fantasia243645
    @fantasia243645 19 дней назад

    This was a great conversation. This is definitely a video to rematch. 💛

  • @zetadervish737
    @zetadervish737 22 дня назад

    Well done, folks, very informative. Next level anthropology...

  • @utarefson9
    @utarefson9 19 дней назад

    This was an interesting talk, and i'd like to see more of this in the future. However, Rudyard cutting out was very unfortunate as he's getting lots of data out really quickly, so it would be nice if in the future he'd record the video as well so you can use that as a VOD.

  • @sonicleaves
    @sonicleaves 22 дня назад +7

    Just finished this video and it was fantastic! Rudyard, please do a video on magical thinking!

  • @robertlorenz2492
    @robertlorenz2492 22 дня назад +6

    You guys should Collab more often and he should go on Michael Sartain show access Vegas. You guys are both doing well there each fact that was repeated was just a home run and it’s the best I’ve ever heard someone articulate the downfall of a society. Great job.

    • @86shelby
      @86shelby 18 дней назад

      I was thinking a show with Rollo would be a thought-provoking show.

  • @Kataklyzm510
    @Kataklyzm510 11 дней назад +2

    It's sad and hilarious but your "not people" card is my favorite, it explains so much about so many things with two words

  • @blairl6304
    @blairl6304 22 дня назад +9

    Well, it depends what he means by “civil war”. If he means side A and side B engaging in armed conflict, absolutely not, this is a childish viewpoint. If he means a cultural / sociological / economic civil war I’d say 100%, in fact I’d argue it’s already been going on - the battle lines were drawn in November 2016, but the open hostilities began during the lockdowns for the bug.
    I genuinely, truly, honestly don’t believe the 2024 election will be a fair and free election, Trump campaigned in New Jersey / New York and pulled larger crowds than the biggest rock stars even in an extremely deep blue state / area. There’s never been someone (I’m intentionally NOT using the word ‘politician’) the American people so enthusiastically support for President, Trump is a rock star, I’m in DEEP blue California, I work with people who campaigned against Trump - not FOR Biden - just against Trump, people who believed all the fake stories about him, secret Russian spy, secretly racist, going to deport all non-white people, he’s personally going to knock on their door and deport their family members, he’s going to start WWIII, etc) they couldn’t hide their EMOTIONAL reaction to Biden being declared the ‘winner’ the morning after the election when it was clear Trump had an insurmountable lead, Trump easily won, but then we all know what happened, all those magical 100% Biden mail-in-ballots started getting dumped in the exact swing states Biden was losing at 3:00am, everybody who’s intellectually honest knows they rigged itv and stuffed the ballot boxes with mail-in ballots.
    ANYWAY - even those people who ran around my workplace with glee, have now openly admitted they are voting for Trump this election. It’s mostly due to how terrible the economy REALLY is, how bad inflation is, how prices are exploding everywhere while nobody is getting raises to keep up with this 10-15% REAL inflation PER YEAR, and the other factor is how unstable the entire world has become under Biden. Even THEY see the weakness of Biden and the FAR LEFT who controls the administration has emboldened EVERYONE to use this opportunity of weak American leadership to make their moves. America has been weakened across the board, our interests are being attacked all over the place, and the American people are being destroyed financially.
    So if even the most anti-Trump people are going to vote Trump, and Trump is having rock star rallies in deeply blue areas of the country, and the polls even show him leading in all the key swing states - if he loses the people won’t except the fraud again. There’s just too many people who would be aware of the stolen election - and big tech can’t censor the conversation again since Musk bought Twitter / X.
    Anyway - we’re essentially in a civil war.

  • @aklisven
    @aklisven 22 дня назад +1

    Great conversation. Thanks a lot

  • @impudentdomain
    @impudentdomain 22 дня назад

    WOW, two of my favorite RUclipsrs.

  • @frankjennings4489
    @frankjennings4489 8 дней назад +3

    “Asian societies haven’t really conquered anything since 1000 AD”
    *Genghis Khan has entered the chat

  • @dolphincheddarsoup
    @dolphincheddarsoup 22 дня назад +27

    Nice collaboration; both creators make me feel less than/unproductive in my 30s 😅

    • @jaredarmstrong7403
      @jaredarmstrong7403 22 дня назад +5

      Yup, just turned 30 last year and trying not to be on the edge of the decline.

    • @hoe_math
      @hoe_math  22 дня назад +43

      I was bottom 20th percentile income for like 17 years don't stress

    • @Butlins14
      @Butlins14 21 день назад

      ​@@hoe_mathI'm top 1% and bench 350lbs and I'm still invisible to women

    • @Jaydavid25.
      @Jaydavid25. 20 дней назад +1

      Yeah, I just turned 30 as well, and oof.. But like Hoe_math said, I won't stress.. LOL..

  • @BarnJ
    @BarnJ 21 день назад +1

    Great collaboration, I'd love to see you guys do a regular crossover episode.

  • @andrewpeirce9189
    @andrewpeirce9189 20 дней назад

    Fantastic discussion! I feel like I learned a lot, and you guys might be sick and tired of everything going on, but I think that if people like you keep connecting we'll be able to muddle through. Super fascinating to see a deeper look at what they meant when they said 'history repeats itself'. Now to find out what my strengths are, optimize them, and find some like-minded people instead of sitting in my room. Ta!

  • @UnityFromDiversity
    @UnityFromDiversity 22 дня назад +2

    Great conversation.

  • @jestmojo
    @jestmojo 19 дней назад +3

    Celebate by choice. I’ve experienced hook-up culture and I’m absolutely disgusted by it. It feels like there’s no need to try anymore. I thought I met a rational woman through a friend and then she started talking about how she was a girlboss. I’d rather be lonely than deal with that shit.

  • @WanderingWarrior1776
    @WanderingWarrior1776 22 дня назад +1

    Once again, great job Rudyard! Recognizing your Time & Place in History to step-up! Be the better 21st Century version of Thomas Paine.

  • @Lucas-og1xq
    @Lucas-og1xq 22 дня назад +34

    Hoe Math how do I get in touch with you? Me and some other creators are living in cabins north of Houston. You can have one to yourself if you’re interested.

    • @hoe_math
      @hoe_math  22 дня назад +18

      inbox me on my linktree - link in bio

    • @Lucas-og1xq
      @Lucas-og1xq 22 дня назад +7

      @@hoe_math messaged you

    • @LamelKendrick
      @LamelKendrick 22 дня назад +9

      Houston is sprawling American mediocrity, hope its 15+ miles out of the city limits

    • @itsnick37
      @itsnick37 22 дня назад

      Lucas that’s a bad location to be in…. Haven for illegals around you I would relocate.

    • @ShadeDraws
      @ShadeDraws 22 дня назад +7

      @@LamelKendrick You would know about mediocrity. You see it in the mirror every day. lol

  • @shellshocktm
    @shellshocktm 22 дня назад +20

    Oh man, the live chat was rough. I've been watching Rudyard for a while and I can vouch that he's done his homework and knows what he's talking about. I don't expect viewers of this channel to understand. No offense to hoe math but most of the people his videos attract wouldn't be joining mensa any time soon but the irony is that underneath the provocative channel name and childlike drawings there's a good groundwork for real social science that will go right over a lot of dudes' heads as they're just perusing youtube, looking for more content dunking on women.

    • @chrismay2298
      @chrismay2298 22 дня назад +4

      Another "smartest guy in the room"... LOL!

    • @Grahamulet
      @Grahamulet 17 дней назад +2

      Great point. I often find myself in the trap of "Haha I wanna see women get dunked on", but Rudyard really gives out great explanations of why things are the way they are without insults or jokes. Love HM, of course, but the deeper understanding is great.

  • @harveypolanski755
    @harveypolanski755 22 дня назад +6

    I think Feminism vs. Patriarchy is missing he point. More relevant is Individual Autonomy vs. Authoritarianism. Individuals should be given the right to self determination. Let everyone life their lives as they see fit so long as they don't infringe on someone else's life, liberty, or property.

    • @TheGringoSalado
      @TheGringoSalado 22 дня назад +1

      That last part is the rub. Drug addiction does not only impact addicts for example.

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад

      You seem to be saying that society needs to allow more autonomy, while they put that in the feminine category, of which we have too much already.

    • @harveypolanski755
      @harveypolanski755 18 дней назад

      @@TheGringoSaladoA society can legalize drug use while outlawing and stringently enforcing laws against: public intoxication, theft, trespassing on private property, etc.

    • @TheGringoSalado
      @TheGringoSalado 18 дней назад +2

      @@harveypolanski755 theoretically yes, but in practice how’s that working out in the USA?

    • @kanggeorge4781
      @kanggeorge4781 5 дней назад

      It won’t work. If there’s no common authority, no one has any right to any thing. Even in contemporary times criminals exploit lawless zones to get away w/ murder.
      Libertarians have everything to say about communism and human nature, but once they describe their philosophies reason goes out the window

  • @mjerzey
    @mjerzey 22 дня назад

    these are actually my two favorite channels i cant believe yall collabed

  • @Rinne0000
    @Rinne0000 22 дня назад +2

    The crossover I didn’t know I neeeded 😂

  • @matttate920
    @matttate920 22 дня назад

    This was clean as glass. Excellent work gentlemen.

  • @timkunkel5431
    @timkunkel5431 22 дня назад +1

    Liked it so much I watched it twice!

  • @maxjosephwheeler
    @maxjosephwheeler 21 день назад +4

    *I'm so glad to have you guys as Internet friends.*

  • @frankystein499
    @frankystein499 22 дня назад

    Excellent discussion chaps🧐👌

  • @cesarmartinez2935
    @cesarmartinez2935 15 дней назад

    Great conversation. I'm a big fan of both you guys and have recommended both your channels to friends. I hope the best for you both and to Mr. Hoe I sincerely hope you find the meaning you're looking for.

  • @samuelmontenegroserniotti7146
    @samuelmontenegroserniotti7146 9 дней назад +1

    Whenever the other person has a sound disconection, talk to them and ask them to repeat the last 10 seconds of what they said. Helps a lot.

  • @NeilMo25
    @NeilMo25 22 дня назад +1

    Great show!

  • @Isaax
    @Isaax 22 дня назад +5

    2 behemoths podcasting together, lets fucking go

  • @ChronJay
    @ChronJay 18 дней назад +2

    I make 120xxx and support a family of 3 with a stay at home mom. Most families buy horrendously out of their price range.
    Live in a Midwest blue state, I feel like people wildly over blow the cost of children. My kids are even taking hobby classes.

  • @nickmando2329
    @nickmando2329 7 дней назад

    @Whatifalthist.... please do a history/anthropology video about the introduction of currency/coin and how that changed the world. it would be so interesting
    including comparisons for before and after the introduction of the coin(in the macro scale)

  • @brandon-toddhutchinson3798
    @brandon-toddhutchinson3798 20 дней назад

    "You should have thought that; I make chats, it's what I do" I love this

  • @jackodonnell3463
    @jackodonnell3463 6 дней назад

    We need more conversations between these two

  • @Trizzer89
    @Trizzer89 22 дня назад +9

    I can understand why young men have anxiety, because they are shat on constantly. But why do Gen Z women have so much anxiety? Is it because they insist on only dating the unattainable Chad? Or maybe they pick up on the anxiety of the boys? Or simply because they didnt touch grass while growing up?

    • @pekka405
      @pekka405 22 дня назад +11

      Total spitball but probably the societally imposed need to achieve what is required for being a provider without the willingess or need to be said provider, also women tend to compare themselves to other women in terms of attractiveness (=intrasexual competition) and IG etc allows you to compare yourself to all the 10's and 11's of the world. Imagine if a middle school boy playing basketball could only compete against prime kobes, lebrons and jordans, he would probably lose all hope and self esteem. All of this might be cap btw and sources were revealed to me in a dream

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад

      Could be widespread emotional neglect in childhood.

    • @sleeper9638
      @sleeper9638 18 дней назад

      ​@@pekka405 that is what's happening already. 14 year old boys are having their heights and D lengths compared to world star athletes and being called inkwells if they can't compete. Highschool girls no longer only date highschool boys, they're only going after the top 20% of men just like all other women on the planet. All men are now held in direct compariosn with all men, doesn't matter how old they are

    • @AfriqueNY
      @AfriqueNY 16 дней назад

      Once being average became a dirty word average people have no choice but to feel anxiety. They are waiting for somebody to point out that they are imposters pretending to be on the right side of the bell curve

  • @lentilreflection2676
    @lentilreflection2676 22 дня назад +2

    What study is Mr. Hoe referencing regarding family income at 1:15:19?

  • @robertlorenz2492
    @robertlorenz2492 2 дня назад

    I’m not going to lie, this discussion and the points made, makes this one of my favorite videos on the internet and I send it to a ton of people.

  • @RyanPatrickFlanagan
    @RyanPatrickFlanagan 21 день назад +3

    1:12:56 mark - dude be putting Homer and Marge Simpson on the 1-10 matrix. Just earned himself a new subscriber.

  • @multivariateperspective5137
    @multivariateperspective5137 22 дня назад +2

    The historical trends are aggregates of local acute data samples integrated in various ways to a simplistic stand ins. One of the largest problems is that most people cannot truly (I’m simplifying by merging those without the cerebral hardware or also those without the emotional-intellectual development) to truly understand multivariate analysis applied to current society

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek 22 дня назад

      Fair enough, but what does your analysis suggest?

  • @CuriousGeorge13
    @CuriousGeorge13 20 дней назад +3

    I think a fundamental reason why modern academic historians don't concern themselves with patterns in history or the relevance of that to the present moment is that the vast majority have an ideological commitment to the liberal notion of progress and progressivism. If we are constantly on some utopian upward trajectory, then why would the past be relevant in that way? It is magical thinking, but much of the establishment is so deeply entrenched in the liberal project that they likely can't imagine any other possibility.

  • @COSMICCHESH
    @COSMICCHESH 21 день назад +1

    I just started watching bros content. Nice collab

  • @SDsc0rch
    @SDsc0rch 22 дня назад +7

    wow!two heavy hitters!
    teamed up!!

  • @user-hx9yw3ln4b
    @user-hx9yw3ln4b 2 дня назад

    Brilliant insight. Much appreciated.

  • @segurosincero4057
    @segurosincero4057 11 дней назад

    Very nicely done gentlemen.