7 years ago still feel the same way. Underoath have kept it real for a long time. I looked up to these guys so much growing up. To me the music, besides a few on the nose Christian tracks, were always spiritual and open to interpretation without shoving any message down the listeners ear. I appreciate that perspective not just in music but for sharing faith with others through actions.
very wise words. i don't ever recall Jesus forcing anyone to follow him. he offered the truth, and suggested to those with good hearts to stop what they were doing and trust in him, and they did it. Jesus preached non-aggression, voluntarism principles, he was pretty much a libertarian. all he did was offer people the truth through love, and left it up to them. the theology of it all is freewill, letting his creation make their own decisions, because a God who forces his creation to do anything has created nothing but slaves incapable of love.
its so ironic that these "christians" commenting below are starting fights and giving spencer complete shit for his words. I couldnt imagine a more unchristian thing to do. complete hypocrisy here.
"I hope we didn't piss god off too much by not doing what we're supposed to do". - You are not obliged to write music purely about your faith, just because other religious bands do. That's crazy. You should always write music about whatever you want, or feel at the time; religious or not. Spencer hasn't put a foot wrong, so he shouldn't feel as though he's made a mistake, or any other member of the band for that matter.
Why's he getting so much hate for this? "Oh no, he's open-minded and respectful/tolerant of people of other faiths and beliefs! How atrocious and blasphemous!" Holy shit chill, he's a much cooler guy than Gillespie, Chamberlain isn't trying to shove his religion down people's throats. That's all. He's a cool guy.
I was in a well known band from Knoxville, TN called Copper (fun fact, our singer was Keith Wallen who is now the rhythm guitarst for Breaking Benjamin and deserves every shred of success he has. Awesome guy.) 11 years ago, we toured, i lived out my dreams, did questionable things. etc. I was a Christian then and did my best to show it, but as a 20 year old who was just handed the world, I just wanted to play music most of all and still do. I drank and partied yes, but I never denied Him before men, which I thing is the worst thing you can do. Spencer hasn't denied Christ, he's just saying that he loves music and takes artistic decisions. After playing 10,000 shows with secular AND Christians bands both, I totally understand what he means. But we love Jesus and that's a big reason why we listen to Underoath!
I'm 45 years old and I'm not religious. all I know is that music is probably the most powerful thing ever it can reach people so deep and that's an amazing thing. I LOVE UNDEROATH!!! THANK YOU GUYS for the amazing and touching music that hits me like nothing else can. THANK YOU THANK YOU!! WRIGHTING ON THE WALLS HIT HOME FOR ME and underoath said the things I could not so again THANK YOU!!
Very well put! Literally you gave my childhood/younger years life though because of that christian label. I always wanted to decide for myself who i was and what i believed in but was force fed the church from my parents. They would go through my things and literally threw out all of my music that wasnt listed as christian. I had to do my best to hide cds and then when i was 11 or 12 i got into underoath, norma jean, as cities burn etc and that music was what i wanted and needed. It was heavy, it was wild, the shows had so much energy and i didnt have to hear about fucking purity rings. And all because of that silly label you guys chose i was able to choose for myself the music i got to hear even if i had to hear other bands at Cornerstone Orlando fest preach haha at 22 now i know my life would not be the same without the few bands cds that didnt get thrown away paving the way and expanding my musical interests as well as my love for live music.
Why? Because he's humble enough to admit he doesn't know? Maybe you Christians should take a note from him and learn to deal with people who don't believe the same things you do. If all you do is interject God into your entire life because you've been told you have to do that, that just makes you a brainwashed zombie, not a true Christian.
The most enlightened Christian ever. I used to be a Christian and gave it up because of all the rules, guidelines, and imagines your expected to uphold while being one. It just didn't feel like it was about loving your creator; more like being a slave to one. But to me, it feels like Underoath has it right.
If that is the case, why would not say that you are a Christian? Just b/c the label had been tainted by cultural things doesn't mean the basic truths are also tainted. If underoath can be Christians like that, than I'm sure you can too!
***** Because I don't agree with the Christian values or how they worship, but I do believe in a good. I fall under Agnostic. I also don't like the label Christianity brings, but that's just a small detail.
DeathMiniHorse As my pastor always told me, it's not the religion that's important it's your relationship with God. I agree with you, I believe in God and I believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior and I love him with all my heart but I don't like how Christianity in general has been formed with all this hatred and ritualism that has seeped into the church.
CerberusOG Your comment serves to demonstrate a serious lack of understanding. If indeed, you believe on The Lord Jesus Christ, than you should adhere to the teachings in The Bible. The Bible says that God hates. Proverbs 6:16. Can I ask you a question, CerberusOG? Have you ever read The Bible?
its funny how both aaron and underoath went completely different ways once they split. the change was both musical and spiritual. it seems that Aaron was the one who kept the band with a pop element and with the christian label
To everyone giving Spencer shit, a whole year and a half after UO broke up, you're forgetting a very important line in the beginning of statement where he says "our hearts are in the same place they have always been." What he's saying isn't that they're not Christians and that it does not inspire their music, but that they're not an evangelism or ministry band. Underoath said what they said because they wanted to be honest with people and say "God loves you", but I think a bunch of bands took that to mean that they're a ministry band in the metalcore/hardcore scene trying to preach the gospel. Fast forward and we now have much more open or evangelistic "Christian" metal bands like Sleeping Giant & For Today. It's not a bad thing, but that was never Underoath's intention and the downside is that UO kind of paved the way for it.
I don't necessarily agree. Listen to their actual lyrical content. Obviously they have regressed heavily since the days with Dallas and death metal, but even on their only chasing safety they had "some seek forgiveness.. others escape" I feel they have regressed away from their Christian roots which I will support them either way, and love them and their music, but I always liked that "light in the darkness" niche they represented .
Your profession and your believe are two different things. Let's say you are a doctor, you don't say: I'm a christian doctor, or a christian architect, you are a doctor or an architect the same way you are a musician, that's it. Guys, christian music is what is played at church, those are christian artist, also there are musicians saved by the blood of Christ. I really don't know where people get this idea that if you are a christian and a musician you have to play christian music. You really influence people when they see how you live so they see your gospel is real. Quoting a couple of verses from the bible really does nothing.
It’s sort of sad to see him clearly losing faith even though his heart is still there just know that you were used as a tool to literally help soooo many kids AND you guys were pure enough to glorify Jesus for a period of time during the PEAK never forget real fans know you guys changed the world all while you called yourselves Christian and glorified God and people respect that no matter how much people can change never forget it
Underoath was a true Christian band right up until Aaron left. I think part of him leaving was other people in the band like Spencer in particular loosing touch with their faith. I don't hear the Christian influence on Disambiguation at all, but it is all over Lost In The Sound.
That's not true at all I actually just listened to an interview of Aaron Gillespie by the band emery and he still loves all the guys in the band he just left because anxiety, health concerns and to get his life and marriage straightened out. He would get back together with the band in a second to do a reunion tour. Its funny they even specifically talked about why he left because how the internet just assumes that's why he left.
This is probably why Aaron Gillespie left because the band was falling away from its true purpose...Its not a worship band but that doesnt mean you cant glorify God while you still do it...I respect Aaron so much for starting The Almost and doing his own solo project
You can drink a beer and even smoke weed if you are a christian. It's about your heart. People have this self righteous thing where they put themselves on a pedestal. It's a big world with a lot of different views, stop talking and listen
I'm a Christian, I totally agree with this approach. I play guitar; I didn't get into this to spread the gospel. I got into it because music makes me feel good.
Okay I am probably the last person on earth to comment because I don't like getting into stupid arguments on the internet but hear me out. I just saw this and the truth is...I'm kinda sad because it really sounds like he's insecure as a Christian. He seems to be questioning and that has got to be pretty rough. I think he's so unsure that it's best to say they're not a Christian band. Again...This is what *I* as an individual got out of it, and I don't want to argue so I will not respond to anything negative. I'm going to pray for him and I hope he stays with God.
I'm going to refer to Dallas on the whole 'Christian band' thing: "I am so fed up with people acting like cowards... I feel like so much of music today, especially those who come from a Christian background, spend so much time hiding who they really are, or being ashamed of their beliefs, trying to be 'scene' or to sell records." Spencer saying "it's not my job to tell people" is wrong because it's precisely the job of a Christian. I'm not having a go at him, he seems like a great guy but...
This is the "I'm not going to say I'm a Christian for much longer" phase. I can't say I'm not disappointed, but I still respect everything this guy wrote in Underoath
Well I mean if you we’re going through an addiction and had to deal with the Christian fans being shitty and judgmental when you really do need help then you’d have issues with it too
No hate just trying to explain that it’s not all that peachy and bright in everyone’s lives. Sometimes people can try to tear down their pears bc they think it’s gonna get them more credibility as a Christian and it’s pretty terrible. Not saying that it’s every Christian just saying it’s not a good thing is all
@@Louieisalittlesleepy I see what you’re saying. I don’t care that they’re not Christian “anymore”. I just don’t like the dishonesty with the whole “we never wrote a song about God” quip they keep throwing around these days. A huge part of what got them to the level of success they had was piggy backing on the whole Christian band craze of the early 2000s. Those Christian festivals they’d play helped pay their bills when Aaron left and no one would book them. And yeah, Spencer had a bad drug problem, so people writing hit piece articles on him must have been really damaging. However, you can’t pin everything on the shallow “Christians” of the “Christian music” world. It’s ultimately on you to get help for your personal issues. Can you really say his not going to rehab earlier is anyone else’s fault but his own? Cheers
Long story short, they are a rock back who have members who are christian, but they aren't a christian band(a band that sings about god, and use their band to try and preach). Simple as that.
Zsmart My god, get an attention span? Mate you need to get a brain, please, for your sake i hope that was a joke. I think it's blatantly obvious what i meant when is said "long story short"
When Spencer said it wasn't a Christian's job to tell people what to believe, that's just not true. That is the sole reason we aren't translated to heaven upon believing. He left us here to tell people to believe in Him because it's the truth. Of course, we do that with gentleness, understanding, patience, respect, and love. But we are to do it. And he did it a lot every time I saw Underoath, he would announce, "I just wanted to say that we are doing this all in the name of Jesus Christ. God loves you." or something similar. which was about 4 times live. But that was back in the day, 2010 and earlier, and if he has changed, that's a shame I say--because this little carnival ride called modern society is going to come crashing down very soon and we will be in front of Jesus.
Yeah, I remembered thinking that part was kind of weird. A teacher might tell some students to believe that 1 + 1 = 2 and the students shouldn't be offended if they don't agree personally. Lots of people write songs about their beliefs which may or may not be objectively true. He should have stood firm in that and not listened to people that were butthurt by it.
As a former Christian and theist who finds it difficult to take any of the “Christian” bands I used to listen to seriously, Underoath may have just saved their place in my playlist and are hopefully a harbinger of things to come because their are just way too many talented “Christian” musicians and bands making good, but unfortunately unlistenable music for the new unreligious Western world that’s growing every year. “Christian” band’s that focused way more on the music and let their all powerful god do his own communicating have always had the better and less cringeworthy music anyways. There are always a few exceptions like Grammatrain, but for the most part bands like Livng Sacrifice, Klank, and now Underoath make better art when the focuses is making art.
I feel like a lot of people only liked / listened to underOuth because of what they thought they stood for Aaron didn't make them holy and his leaving didn't change them into an "unchristian band" and whatever they believe should not change how you view them as a band if they don't believe in God or even if they do that should not affect my walk. just because they are famous does not mean they are perfect and just because they are Christians douse not mean that they know everything /are perfect. Also shouldn't they be able to question what they believe.
Evidence of a true conversion is zeal. Not just believing in God, but also knowing what He saved you from and what He went through to save you....and with that comes gratitude and fire for the Gospel. You just want everyone to know! You have so much love for Jesus, (because now He has become your first love) that you dont want anyone to leave this earth without knowing His Love too. Spencer may have fallen in love with music, but i hope now Jesus is his first love and that Love overwhelmingly seeks to glorify God. No, you won't go to hell if you don't witness...but if you're authentic, you can't help it, and i'm not talkin bout shovin down throats! no you wont go to hell if you dont go to church, but at least have other christians to hold you accountable and pray for/with you. no. you wont go to hell if you dont read the bible, but why would you wanna be ignorant of the truth of Jesus' words and the life they give when this world is so full of lies? how would u know the difference?
thats the reason why aaron left the band, he wanted to share the word of god through music and he didn't feel like that was happing while he was in underoath
So you're saying that he's humble by saying that there is a God, and "if" there is a God at the same time? The whole essence of Christianity is that there is a God, so it's not really humble to say (and sincerely mean with uncertainty) "if."
im not religious , but ive been thinking this way for a long time , and i wish more people would see things this way. spencer seems like such a cool guy too haha
you see. I thought that way for the longest time. But the reality is it doesn't matter what you are comfortable with, the truth is the way. as uncomfortable as it may seem and feel. now a days it's cool to be open minded about everything, it's like. well if your not hurt in anyone do you . But belief in anything dosent account for actual truth. belief is a choice. the truth is always.
this doesn't go to say that they haven't written songs about God or Jesus or Christianity, because I can't imagine what else "Too Bright To See Too Loud To Hear" and "The Created Void" would be about
Long rant from a long time fan with no focus outside of loving Underoath. Also a strange bit about wearing tight pants before it was normal: I’ve been an Underoath fan since the early 2000s when the changing of times dropped my brother put me onto them because he listened to them for a while with Dallas as the lead singer. Then They’re Only Chasing Safety dropped and the sound was so different from all their heavier previous works. Somehow They’re Only Chasing Safety broke through into the mainstream music world and screamo went into full swing. Crazy how subcultures and trends come and go. The metalcore and screamo days of the 2000s hayday are over replaced by rap. Personally I love the old and new Underoath. I always saw them as a real band. They helped me feel better during jr high and high school and I really looked up to the whole band, especially Spencer. My older brother looked like him and started dressing like him so then I started wearing right pants too: I remember feeling nerdy wearing tight pants before it was normalized. I felt like I was probably being judged but I liked the look. The main drawback was not having a lot of space for the junk and being a young kid full of raging hormones theres not much way to hide your jewels in tight pants. Ended up doing the hotdog up in the belt loop trick on too many occasions when I didn’t have a binder to hold over myself. Lord forgive me lol. I made a huge production graphics final project during high school featuring underOATH makings complete CD design with the album art, the CD art, a catalogue for Solid State giving a bio and description of all the biggest bands at the time. I made a huge poster with guns on it for Solid State tracing over revolvers with vector lines in Adobe Illustrator. Looking back I’m surprised that project got an A and was allowed. I didn’t think twice about drawing giant guns all over a huge poster and littering them casually in designs for the catalogue. My favorite part was designing the CD, putting a mix of my favorite Underoath songs on there, and writing the lyrics in the booklet. I still have all of that except the poster which I threw out years ago. Anyways Underoath gave me so many good memories. Saw them live in Chicago on the tour for They’re Only Chasing Safety along with The Chariot and some other band. They killed it. Sold out show and it was packed. I have some old flip phone footage somewhere. I’m really happy they are making music again. Erase Me is probably my favorite album after Define The Great Line but They’re Only Chasing Safety is my number one for the nostalgia factor and just because it’s so poppy and memorable. It’s hard to pick a favorite. After Define The Great Line I get the albums mixed up and I didn’t keep up with the albums as much but when Erase Me dropped (like 2 years ago now?) it was fantastic. It felt fresh but also had that distinct Underoath sound they have always had. It was a breath of fresh air and somehow nostalgic probably because Spencer’s singing and some of the instrumental styles. I wish to see them again someday. I’m excited to hear their new album. I’ve been watching some of the streams with the file name type titles and an opaque overlay reading V O Y E U R I S M showing them in the studio with no sound. I have a hunch the album will have to do with the state of the world, chasing after fame and how social media has corrupted people and can be very damaging. I’m contemplating making a full length documentary about them this year.
@@hobi_6697 Haha re-reading now 10 months after I wrote that and maybe 2 weeks since the new album dropped. I forgot to mention I no longer where "skinny jeans" but my jeans are well fitted jeans. I listen to a lot of rap/trap music these days but I like all kinds of music. Really been back in an Elliott Smith phase again recently since I found out some sad family news and his music always makes things feel a bit more ok as they are as sad as it can be it helps. Elliott Smith is another artists I loved in high school and I could actually learn his songs on guitar whereas it was rare I ever learned an underoath song besides when the sun sleeps. I love the new underoath album! It's fantastic. My brother, who is still very Christian and married and successful in life is torn on the album because of the amount of swearing. I heard the swears too but they don't bother me. Maybe I'm just a bad Christian because I'm so laxadasical about all the strict stuff and just believe in this hippie idea of love but I just love the new album it hits great. I just hope they make a deluxe album because man this new album is tight. Of course if they tour I'm sure they will play old songs because the fans always want to hear older songs. I haven't read into it but it would be cool if the toured this album and played it front to back.
I dare one of you non-believers to go on a Christian retreat cause I used to be like you guys, until I felt the presence of God while worshipping then you guys won't doubt.
It disgusts me how many Christians still cannot grasp the fact that it is not our place to judge. Every one of you who's talking trash about him right now, think about that.
Mad respect for this. Just cause they are Christian men and write a few songs about Jesus/God, does not make them a Christian band. Music is about emotions and letting it out.
well i dont know about everyone else in underoath, but aaron gillespie is a full 100% christian, who was born that way. shame hes not in underoath anymore.
It's not about judging. It's about if he is truly a Christian or not. Sometimes people act like regardless of what a person says or does, that they are still a Christian just because at one time they said they were. Now I am not saying that they had to have sang Michael W. Smith stuff to be true Christians. But If he's not gonna admit he's a Christian, that's a problem. I do believe from what I know of him, however, that he is a Christian, and Underoath is one of my favorite bands.
i gotta say that when Spee said that he wanted to give others the feeling he got while listening to nirvana and led zeppelin, i said outloud thatUnderoath did that for me.Its "MY" music and im proud Underoath is my fave band.
Have a lot of respect for him for saying this. It's true, you shouldn't just shove your beliefs down people's throats. This change in their thinking is them maturing I think.
No he didn't he said that for his last two years in underoath he felt like God wanted him to move on - and he wasn't happy with the direction underoath was taking. So he left - they never kicked him out.
I understood that much. I was just curious if Spencer, himself, was a Christian. I knew he was converted after his addiction to drugs was overcome, but I wasn't sure if he was beginning to doubt again or if he was just saying "if there is a God" for the people watching the interview who didn't believe. thanks for clearing that up for me!
Right on Spencer, I agree 100% with what you have to say and how you go about what you do. You're setting a great example as a person and as a musician, and I look forward to what your future endeavours bring.
Spencer is a pretty good example of most Christians today. He fully believes in the gospel, but doesn't have the fortitude to tell others without being asked. The bible is pretty clear that God wants his people to use every chance they have to spread salvation and truth. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty a pretty gutless Christian myself, but I don't think he should say that it would "piss God off" for anyone to try and spread love.
I feel as if Spencer calls himself a Christian, and that he does believe in a god, but he just isn't as spiritual as someone like Aaron...and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that...a band is composed of a group of people that all have different beliefs..you can't expect them to agree on everything and I'm sure that's why he said things got complicated.
In a way he is just like a Christian who is a builder. He doesn't build houses to glorify God, he builds houses because that's what he likes to do. Spencer is a Christian that is a musician, not a Christian musician.
I just love the way he explains his relationship between his religious beliefs and his music. He does it it for the music: because he loves music, and he is able to hold religion personal/between members and friends. I can so much relate. I do some amount of worship (mostly before) and sometime participate in worship concerts. In addition I watched for example Blindside from Sweden last week, which is a post-hardcore/emo/hardcore/metal band with christian lyrics. That doesn't make me any different from anyone other that enjoys metal and music in general. I do admit that I like to find Christianity in metal (or other genres), though, like I have done with Extol, (death/Unblack metal), Fleshkiller (tech/prog death/unblack), as i said Blindside, Living Sacrifice (black/nu metal) and my somewhat guilty pleasure Flyleaf. Music is a wonderful thing, and I am so happy that I can pick up the guitar and express my self and take a few steps away from my everyday life and into the pure emotional aspect of life. Love these guys.
He just wants everyone to enjoy their music regardless of religion. it's not a band for christians. It's for everyone. They are just christians in a band making music for anyone to listen to, not just for people who agree with their beliefs. If you have a problem with him then that would be exactly why he just said what he said in this interview
Why is everyone getting het up over this? It's not like Spencer has suddenly proclaimed to hate God, or disbelieve Christianity. He's just stating that the sole purpose of him being in a band is his love of music, what's wrong with that? Christian or not, if you like music, you like music. And if you're a good musician, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what your beliefs are. Underoath are a fantastic band, despite their religious beliefs.
Woahh. Feeling a little betrayed right now, after seeing Spencer talking to crowds about how God saved him from depression and drugs - then seeing this! Woahh, no wonder Aaron left. Will be praying for them that they see their mistakes. :(
I appreciate this. I felt this way too. I think he's being considerate to his fans that aren't Christian. That aren't religious. He's being honest and people especially Christians are going to judge him all day long. But he does it for his love of music. He doesn't have to mix his religion with everything and it doesn't mean he doesn't have "ENOUGH" faith. A mature mind would understand this and not try to denounce his passion for his religion. He just loves his music too.
I'm no holy roller here. But it appears to me that Underoath gained millions of dollars promoting themselves as a ''christian '' band. Now they don't have jobs being a secular band. Just sayin
MarrowEternal They were never a top 20 band. But they were popular and were around for 10 years . I'm not saying they made U2 or KISS money, but they all probably made millions in touring, album sales, merh throughout their careers
I'm not a Christian and I don't think that should be grounds for criticism. Disagreement sure. It doesn't make me a worse person. Maybe I'm worse than some of you. Maybe I'm better than others. I probably fall somewhere in the range, and I try like most to become a better person over time. I would enjoy it if Christians encouraged me to be a better person instead of criticizing my beliefs. I would enjoy it if churches happily accepted anyone with good intentions as equals into their communities.
He is a christian, and I believe everyone in the band was, but all he's saying is that they don't write songs about their faith, they just write songs about their lives and feelings and situations, so they shouldn't be labeled a christian band if their music is irrelevant to their faith.
Spencer spent most of his life addicted to cocaine and now that the band started spiraling down since aarons departure I feel (in my opinion) that he wanted to go back to "having fun" and doing what he wants to do. He always said "We stand up here in the name of Jesus" and now that he doesn't feel obligated to follow Jesus he's taking back his own words.
Any christian should be willing to understand that there may not be one. I'm not christian/religious so my view on the entire subject is different, but it's ridiculous to say that a christian can't have the thought.
Its okay if they are agnostic, atheist, etc it they are christians or not. What I really hate is that many bands from back then jumped into the Christian Rock band wagon to make money, and Im calling them out, bands, producers and labels. Im glad they are coming out clean and telling the truth of what they believe in.
The title of this video is very misleading... Go back to the VERY beginning of the video. 0:16 "Our hearts are in the same place". That pretty much settles it there... All Spencer is saying is that They're Christians, in a band, who play music, for people who love music, because they also love music. He's not in any way denouncing his Faith or reconsidering what he believes in.
I'm not gonna say anymore but he was kicked out, they say that he left to avoid bad publicity. The band can term it that "he left" but yeah. Doesn't matter either way his not in the band.
Okay, let me step in for just a second. First of all, Underoath is a "Christian" band in the respect that they are all Christian's and share God on stage with people. To argue that, they do not write songs for the sake of worshipping God and that's not a bad thing. Their hearts are where they should be and they talk about their faith, they should write about life how they want to and if that involves not writing solely about God, more power to them.
I've always appreciated Spencer and this makes me love him all the more! All he's saying is as a band, Underoath doesn't have some kind of hidden agenda other than to play music. Their faith will come out in their music b/c that's inevitable, but it's not like their end goal was to be some evangelist band. A good example of this is Thrice. Dustin Kensrue's goal was just to play music and make good art and nothing more.
Uhhh, no dude. God's not the only one who should be telling people what to do. Christianity is letting God use you to share the faith. He said go out there and tell people about Him.
Gagechannel would it matter to you if He did it any other way? I think not. But just case...if He didn't use other people, then how should He? any other way would mean He has made ignorant robots out of us...
as Christians we are supposed to let God use us, its our job to tell people about him, its not our job to make people beleive, that is Gods job, but we have to plant the seed and spread the word as the apostles did, i dont think we should tell non believers how to live because that would drive people away, that is also Gods job to convict us, but i believe that if we see a brother or sister in Christ that is stumbling we should say something and help in a helpful but not angry or proud way
Spencer is not the original vocalist that got them labeled as a Christian band so I don't understand why he is addressing the question in this manner. The first album was very much a preachy Christian album.
Absolutely mate, completely agree. I don't think you should go round shoving in people's faces. But you're not showing God through your love if you are watering down your beliefs in order not to alienate people. That's what I think Underoath were doing towards the end.
His level of faith is just so beyond you and your radical western Christianity beliefs, he's not afraid to question God nor is he afraid to be open about it to TRULY connect to agnostic/atheists, and truly connecting with people is something that is obviously a huge road block for a Christian like you. God WELCOMES questioning, and with that understanding where Spencer is coming from angle I would say that Spencer is saying "If there is a God" out of respect of atheists/agnostics.
Jesus Christ said that "My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me" - JESUS CHRIST IS MY GOD, MY LORD, MY SAVIOR - GET SAVED - Jesus Christ Saves
People please stop doing this, stop forcing religion on people. We are all equal and made to love one another, I've been a christian my whole life but I will never tell someone, "GET SAVED". They are to come of there own accord and if they don't, nothing is wrong with them, nothing is to be said wrong about them, its not they are not wrong just because they don't accept Jesus. WSNmin please read Matthew 7:2 and 5. I just don't want you to spread the rather broad stereotype that all christian do this. I am sorry everyone for our wrongs against you, truly. I pray judgmental individuals will think of the bigger picture before posting things like that.
Eww. These are the things that make Christianity look unappealing; if I and everyone else wanted to see something like that, we would open a bible. People like you force it in everything and everywhere it shouldn't be.
I stopped reading at "We are told". Lol, I'm sorry. You just said that a book from hundreds and hundreds of years ago told you and others to do something. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds to the real world? Religion is like a habit of watching porn, if you do it; awesome, but no one cares or wants to know or hear about it with the exception of your other fellow Christians. Go to conventions, or churches if you want to throw your unnecessary opinions that are among the minority about, mate.
No, we learn actual history from books with known facts and that have been proven. As to the bible is a book and is acknowledged as ONLY a book, such as sleeping beauty, filled with stories. It was written by a bunch of people who no one has a clue who they even were, and nothing in it is proven to be fact, other than a man was crucified. A man walking around producing miracles? Nope. That wasn't a proven fact. The book is acknowledged by officials of history as a science fiction novel for a reason. Why do you think it is that it isn't taught in school? Oh, close-minded people being lead by the devil. Good answer
And hold on, I just took the time to read the rest of your comment, sorry. So the commandments in the bible are what everyone is born with and already knew, it's called a conscience. I didn't need a book to know I shouldn't cheat, lie, or steel. It also includes typical discrimination against gay people. I'm surprised black people weren't mentioned. I'll be honest, The book itself is less than clever, anyone can see the typical patterns. It's because it was written by a bunch of ordinary people who wanted to troll the world for as many years as possible. It's the typical: believe in this or perish- formula Christianity has produced more harm than good, look at all of the -FACT- murders that happened because of it in the king and queen days.
I think he had said once that the combination of his love for music, and God, had saved him from his cocaine addiction. He probably said "if" for the fans who may not believe, because on their second album, they made a speech, talking about their religion, and that they don't want to feel like they're trying to shove their religion down peoples' throats, but that they want everyone to at least give it a try. (:
I would be really happy if Christianity was all about love and good morality, and spreading those things. Drop the stuff about people burning in hell if they believe something wrong, the stuff about homosexuals or any other harmless group of people as being bad or misguided. Christianity would be better as a positive way of life. Leave out the negative parts. Recognize other people have valid ways of living too, even if they aren't Christian.
tl;dr "we're not a Christian band, we're Christians in a band"
+Razi THIS!!!!
I think the guitarist of Chevelle said that in an interview once lol
Razi I remember that. Didn't Aaron say that once
Be yourself. You've helped me and many others through the hardest of times, just keep doing what you love, cause we love it too.
7 years ago still feel the same way. Underoath have kept it real for a long time. I looked up to these guys so much growing up. To me the music, besides a few on the nose Christian tracks, were always spiritual and open to interpretation without shoving any message down the listeners ear. I appreciate that perspective not just in music but for sharing faith with others through actions.
people need to cut the guy some slack, he didn't grow up as a Christian, and he used to be a drug addict, so of course he struggles with faith.
fuck off
Colby Morrison nah, I'm good 😉
Uhh what the fuck?
Colby Morrison how very Christian of you 🙄
He was actually a drug addict more so around this era.
very wise words. i don't ever recall Jesus forcing anyone to follow him. he offered the truth, and suggested to those with good hearts to stop what they were doing and trust in him, and they did it. Jesus preached non-aggression, voluntarism principles, he was pretty much a libertarian. all he did was offer people the truth through love, and left it up to them. the theology of it all is freewill, letting his creation make their own decisions, because a God who forces his creation to do anything has created nothing but slaves incapable of love.
CannabisKills sir, u made my day. u deserve a cookie
its so ironic that these "christians" commenting below are starting fights and giving spencer complete shit for his words. I couldnt imagine a more unchristian thing to do. complete hypocrisy here.
"I hope we didn't piss god off too much by not doing what we're supposed to do". - You are not obliged to write music purely about your faith, just because other religious bands do. That's crazy. You should always write music about whatever you want, or feel at the time; religious or not. Spencer hasn't put a foot wrong, so he shouldn't feel as though he's made a mistake, or any other member of the band for that matter.
+David Fryer he just feels bad for all their 100% Christian fans believing that they're also 100% Christian.
Why's he getting so much hate for this? "Oh no, he's open-minded and respectful/tolerant of people of other faiths and beliefs! How atrocious and blasphemous!" Holy shit chill, he's a much cooler guy than Gillespie, Chamberlain isn't trying to shove his religion down people's throats. That's all. He's a cool guy.
I was in a well known band from Knoxville, TN called Copper (fun fact, our singer was Keith Wallen who is now the rhythm guitarst for Breaking Benjamin and deserves every shred of success he has. Awesome guy.) 11 years ago, we toured, i lived out my dreams, did questionable things. etc. I was a Christian then and did my best to show it, but as a 20 year old who was just handed the world, I just wanted to play music most of all and still do. I drank and partied yes, but I never denied Him before men, which I thing is the worst thing you can do. Spencer hasn't denied Christ, he's just saying that he loves music and takes artistic decisions. After playing 10,000 shows with secular AND Christians bands both, I totally understand what he means. But we love Jesus and that's a big reason why we listen to Underoath!
No one cares
I'm 45 years old and I'm not religious. all I know is that music is probably the most powerful thing ever it can reach people so deep and that's an amazing thing. I LOVE UNDEROATH!!! THANK YOU GUYS for the amazing and touching music that hits me like nothing else can. THANK YOU THANK YOU!! WRIGHTING ON THE WALLS HIT HOME FOR ME and underoath said the things I could not so again THANK YOU!!
I respect this viewpoint.
Very well put! Literally you gave my childhood/younger years life though because of that christian label. I always wanted to decide for myself who i was and what i believed in but was force fed the church from my parents. They would go through my things and literally threw out all of my music that wasnt listed as christian. I had to do my best to hide cds and then when i was 11 or 12 i got into underoath, norma jean, as cities burn etc and that music was what i wanted and needed. It was heavy, it was wild, the shows had so much energy and i didnt have to hear about fucking purity rings. And all because of that silly label you guys chose i was able to choose for myself the music i got to hear even if i had to hear other bands at Cornerstone Orlando fest preach haha at 22 now i know my life would not be the same without the few bands cds that didnt get thrown away paving the way and expanding my musical interests as well as my love for live music.
I hide my cds as well lol
Christianity is a lifestyle and a religion, not a genre of music. August Burns Red said that best.
"If there is a god we dont want to piss him off" he sounds like hes an atheist.
Why? Because he's humble enough to admit he doesn't know? Maybe you Christians should take a note from him and learn to deal with people who don't believe the same things you do. If all you do is interject God into your entire life because you've been told you have to do that, that just makes you a brainwashed zombie, not a true Christian.
He is. Most of the band are now.
you have exactly done what you were supposed to spencer.
this was worth so much to me, hearing how you see it, we are on the same page again. Love it
The most enlightened Christian ever. I used to be a Christian and gave it up because of all the rules, guidelines, and imagines your expected to uphold while being one. It just didn't feel like it was about loving your creator; more like being a slave to one. But to me, it feels like Underoath has it right.
If that is the case, why would not say that you are a Christian? Just b/c the label had been tainted by cultural things doesn't mean the basic truths are also tainted. If underoath can be Christians like that, than I'm sure you can too!
***** Because I don't agree with the Christian values or how they worship, but I do believe in a good. I fall under Agnostic. I also don't like the label Christianity brings, but that's just a small detail.
***** God* hahah sorry.
DeathMiniHorse As my pastor always told me, it's not the religion that's important it's your relationship with God. I agree with you, I believe in God and I believe that Jesus Christ is my lord and savior and I love him with all my heart but I don't like how Christianity in general has been formed with all this hatred and ritualism that has seeped into the church.
CerberusOG
Your comment serves to demonstrate a serious lack of understanding. If indeed, you believe on The Lord Jesus Christ, than you should adhere to the teachings in The Bible.
The Bible says that God hates. Proverbs 6:16.
Can I ask you a question, CerberusOG? Have you ever read The Bible?
its funny how both aaron and underoath went completely different ways once they split. the change was both musical and spiritual. it seems that Aaron was the one who kept the band with a pop element and with the christian label
FIRST things I noticed . TINY ASS MIC
yea its a Christians job to tell people about Christ in order that they may be saved. Some little thing called the Great Commission
To everyone giving Spencer shit, a whole year and a half after UO broke up, you're forgetting a very important line in the beginning of statement where he says "our hearts are in the same place they have always been." What he's saying isn't that they're not Christians and that it does not inspire their music, but that they're not an evangelism or ministry band. Underoath said what they said because they wanted to be honest with people and say "God loves you", but I think a bunch of bands took that to mean that they're a ministry band in the metalcore/hardcore scene trying to preach the gospel. Fast forward and we now have much more open or evangelistic "Christian" metal bands like Sleeping Giant & For Today. It's not a bad thing, but that was never Underoath's intention and the downside is that UO kind of paved the way for it.
I don't necessarily agree. Listen to their actual lyrical content. Obviously they have regressed heavily since the days with Dallas and death metal, but even on their only chasing safety they had "some seek forgiveness.. others escape"
I feel they have regressed away from their Christian roots which I will support them either way, and love them and their music, but I always liked that "light in the darkness" niche they represented .
Your profession and your believe are two different things. Let's say you are a doctor, you don't say: I'm a christian doctor, or a christian architect, you are a doctor or an architect the same way you are a musician, that's it.
Guys, christian music is what is played at church, those are christian artist, also there are musicians saved by the blood of Christ. I really don't know where people get this idea that if you are a christian and a musician you have to play christian music. You really influence people when they see how you live so they see your gospel is real. Quoting a couple of verses from the bible really does nothing.
Underoath is goddamn legend. I love Spencer's humility and candor.
It’s sort of sad to see him clearly losing faith even though his heart is still there just know that you were used as a tool to literally help soooo many kids AND you guys were pure enough to glorify Jesus for a period of time during the PEAK never forget real fans know you guys changed the world all while you called yourselves Christian and glorified God and people respect that no matter how much people can change never forget it
Underoath was a true Christian band right up until Aaron left. I think part of him leaving was other people in the band like Spencer in particular loosing touch with their faith. I don't hear the Christian influence on Disambiguation at all, but it is all over Lost In The Sound.
Very true ^^^
Aaron left because they wanted to stray away from the god praising bullshit.
That's not true at all I actually just listened to an interview of Aaron Gillespie by the band emery and he still loves all the guys in the band he just left because anxiety, health concerns and to get his life and marriage straightened out. He would get back together with the band in a second to do a reunion tour. Its funny they even specifically talked about why he left because how the internet just assumes that's why he left.
*****
can you link me to that interview please?
***** i used to go to church with aaron and jamie, and you guys are both correct.
This is probably why Aaron Gillespie left because the band was falling away from its true purpose...Its not a worship band but that doesnt mean you cant glorify God while you still do it...I respect Aaron so much for starting The Almost and doing his own solo project
You can drink a beer and even smoke weed if you are a christian. It's about your heart. People have this self righteous thing where they put themselves on a pedestal. It's a big world with a lot of different views, stop talking and listen
I always felt once Dallas left, their lyrics became less Christian influenced.
I'm a Christian, I totally agree with this approach. I play guitar; I didn't get into this to spread the gospel. I got into it because music makes me feel good.
This approach has a rocky foundation filled with doubt, you as a Christian should feel naturally compelled to witness to people
What?
Spencer is one of the most down to earth people i have ever seen :) good on you man
Okay I am probably the last person on earth to comment because I don't like getting into stupid arguments on the internet but hear me out. I just saw this and the truth is...I'm kinda sad because it really sounds like he's insecure as a Christian. He seems to be questioning and that has got to be pretty rough. I think he's so unsure that it's best to say they're not a Christian band. Again...This is what *I* as an individual got out of it, and I don't want to argue so I will not respond to anything negative. I'm going to pray for him and I hope he stays with God.
It’s a classic case of post-modern religion in an advanced society. Simple all around.
I'm going to refer to Dallas on the whole 'Christian band' thing: "I am so fed up with people acting like cowards... I feel like so much of music today, especially those who come from a Christian background, spend so much time hiding who they really are, or being ashamed of their beliefs, trying to be 'scene' or to sell records." Spencer saying "it's not my job to tell people" is wrong because it's precisely the job of a Christian. I'm not having a go at him, he seems like a great guy but...
This is the "I'm not going to say I'm a Christian for much longer" phase. I can't say I'm not disappointed, but I still respect everything this guy wrote in Underoath
Well I mean if you we’re going through an addiction and had to deal with the Christian fans being shitty and judgmental when you really do need help then you’d have issues with it too
No hate just trying to explain that it’s not all that peachy and bright in everyone’s lives. Sometimes people can try to tear down their pears bc they think it’s gonna get them more credibility as a Christian and it’s pretty terrible. Not saying that it’s every Christian just saying it’s not a good thing is all
@@Louieisalittlesleepy I see what you’re saying. I don’t care that they’re not Christian “anymore”. I just don’t like the dishonesty with the whole “we never wrote a song about God” quip they keep throwing around these days. A huge part of what got them to the level of success they had was piggy backing on the whole Christian band craze of the early 2000s. Those Christian festivals they’d play helped pay their bills when Aaron left and no one would book them. And yeah, Spencer had a bad drug problem, so people writing hit piece articles on him must have been really damaging. However, you can’t pin everything on the shallow “Christians” of the “Christian music” world. It’s ultimately on you to get help for your personal issues. Can you really say his not going to rehab earlier is anyone else’s fault but his own? Cheers
Long story short, they are a rock back who have members who are christian, but they aren't a christian band(a band that sings about god, and use their band to try and preach). Simple as that.
+Christopher De Freitas 3:52 is a long story? Get an attention span.
Zsmart My god, get an attention span? Mate you need to get a brain, please, for your sake i hope that was a joke. I think it's blatantly obvious what i meant when is said "long story short"
When Spencer said it wasn't a Christian's job to tell people what to believe, that's just not true. That is the sole reason we aren't translated to heaven upon believing. He left us here to tell people to believe in Him because it's the truth. Of course, we do that with gentleness, understanding, patience, respect, and love. But we are to do it. And he did it a lot every time I saw Underoath, he would announce, "I just wanted to say that we are doing this all in the name of Jesus Christ. God loves you." or something similar. which was about 4 times live. But that was back in the day, 2010 and earlier, and if he has changed, that's a shame I say--because this little carnival ride called modern society is going to come crashing down very soon and we will be in front of Jesus.
Yeah, I remembered thinking that part was kind of weird. A teacher might tell some students to believe that 1 + 1 = 2 and the students shouldn't be offended if they don't agree personally. Lots of people write songs about their beliefs which may or may not be objectively true. He should have stood firm in that and not listened to people that were butthurt by it.
As a former Christian and theist who finds it difficult to take any of the “Christian” bands I used to listen to seriously, Underoath may have just saved their place in my playlist and are hopefully a harbinger of things to come because their are just way too many talented “Christian” musicians and bands making good, but unfortunately unlistenable music for the new unreligious Western world that’s growing every year. “Christian” band’s that focused way more on the music and let their all powerful god do his own communicating have always had the better and less cringeworthy music anyways. There are always a few exceptions like Grammatrain, but for the most part bands like Livng Sacrifice, Klank, and now Underoath make better art when the focuses is making art.
I feel like a lot of people only liked / listened to underOuth because of what they thought they stood for Aaron didn't make them holy and his leaving didn't change them into an "unchristian band" and whatever they believe should not change how you view them as a band if they don't believe in God or even if they do that should not affect my walk. just because they are famous does not mean they are perfect and just because they are Christians douse not mean that they know everything /are perfect. Also shouldn't they be able to question what they believe.
Evidence of a true conversion is zeal. Not just believing in God, but also knowing what He saved you from and what He went through to save you....and with that comes gratitude and fire for the Gospel. You just want everyone to know! You have so much love for Jesus, (because now He has become your first love) that you dont want anyone to leave this earth without knowing His Love too. Spencer may have fallen in love with music, but i hope now Jesus is his first love and that Love overwhelmingly seeks to glorify God. No, you won't go to hell if you don't witness...but if you're authentic, you can't help it, and i'm not talkin bout shovin down throats! no you wont go to hell if you dont go to church, but at least have other christians to hold you accountable and pray for/with you. no. you wont go to hell if you dont read the bible, but why would you wanna be ignorant of the truth of Jesus' words and the life they give when this world is so full of lies? how would u know the difference?
thats the reason why aaron left the band, he wanted to share the word of god through music and he didn't feel like that was happing while he was in underoath
So you're saying that he's humble by saying that there is a God, and "if" there is a God at the same time? The whole essence of Christianity is that there is a God, so it's not really humble to say (and sincerely mean with uncertainty) "if."
im not religious , but ive been thinking this way for a long time , and i wish more people would see things this way. spencer seems like such a cool guy too haha
you see. I thought that way for the longest time. But the reality is it doesn't matter what you are comfortable with, the truth is the way. as uncomfortable as it may seem and feel. now a days it's cool to be open minded about everything, it's like. well if your not hurt in anyone do you . But belief in anything dosent account for actual truth. belief is a choice. the truth is always.
You are 100% correct bro
The irony of judging people for judging people never gets old.
this doesn't go to say that they haven't written songs about God or Jesus or Christianity, because I can't imagine what else "Too Bright To See Too Loud To Hear" and "The Created Void" would be about
Long rant from a long time fan with no focus outside of loving Underoath. Also a strange bit about wearing tight pants before it was normal: I’ve been an Underoath fan since the early 2000s when the changing of times dropped my brother put me onto them because he listened to them for a while with Dallas as the lead singer. Then They’re Only Chasing Safety dropped and the sound was so different from all their heavier previous works. Somehow They’re Only Chasing Safety broke through into the mainstream music world and screamo went into full swing. Crazy how subcultures and trends come and go. The metalcore and screamo days of the 2000s hayday are over replaced by rap. Personally I love the old and new Underoath. I always saw them as a real band. They helped me feel better during jr high and high school and I really looked up to the whole band, especially Spencer. My older brother looked like him and started dressing like him so then I started wearing right pants too: I remember feeling nerdy wearing tight pants before it was normalized. I felt like I was probably being judged but I liked the look. The main drawback was not having a lot of space for the junk and being a young kid full of raging hormones theres not much way to hide your jewels in tight pants. Ended up doing the hotdog up in the belt loop trick on too many occasions when I didn’t have a binder to hold over myself. Lord forgive me lol. I made a huge production graphics final project during high school featuring underOATH makings complete CD design with the album art, the CD art, a catalogue for Solid State giving a bio and description of all the biggest bands at the time. I made a huge poster with guns on it for Solid State tracing over revolvers with vector lines in Adobe Illustrator. Looking back I’m surprised that project got an A and was allowed. I didn’t think twice about drawing giant guns all over a huge poster and littering them casually in designs for the catalogue. My favorite part was designing the CD, putting a mix of my favorite Underoath songs on there, and writing the lyrics in the booklet. I still have all of that except the poster which I threw out years ago. Anyways Underoath gave me so many good memories. Saw them live in Chicago on the tour for They’re Only Chasing Safety along with The Chariot and some other band. They killed it. Sold out show and it was packed. I have some old flip phone footage somewhere. I’m really happy they are making music again. Erase Me is probably my favorite album after Define The Great Line but They’re Only Chasing Safety is my number one for the nostalgia factor and just because it’s so poppy and memorable. It’s hard to pick a favorite. After Define The Great Line I get the albums mixed up and I didn’t keep up with the albums as much but when Erase Me dropped (like 2 years ago now?) it was fantastic. It felt fresh but also had that distinct Underoath sound they have always had. It was a breath of fresh air and somehow nostalgic probably because Spencer’s singing and some of the instrumental styles. I wish to see them again someday. I’m excited to hear their new album. I’ve been watching some of the streams with the file name type titles and an opaque overlay reading V O Y E U R I S M showing them in the studio with no sound. I have a hunch the album will have to do with the state of the world, chasing after fame and how social media has corrupted people and can be very damaging. I’m contemplating making a full length documentary about them this year.
It’s been some time since you wrote this, but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed reading this! Very much reminds me of my high school years
@@hobi_6697 Haha re-reading now 10 months after I wrote that and maybe 2 weeks since the new album dropped. I forgot to mention I no longer where "skinny jeans" but my jeans are well fitted jeans. I listen to a lot of rap/trap music these days but I like all kinds of music. Really been back in an Elliott Smith phase again recently since I found out some sad family news and his music always makes things feel a bit more ok as they are as sad as it can be it helps. Elliott Smith is another artists I loved in high school and I could actually learn his songs on guitar whereas it was rare I ever learned an underoath song besides when the sun sleeps. I love the new underoath album! It's fantastic. My brother, who is still very Christian and married and successful in life is torn on the album because of the amount of swearing. I heard the swears too but they don't bother me. Maybe I'm just a bad Christian because I'm so laxadasical about all the strict stuff and just believe in this hippie idea of love but I just love the new album it hits great. I just hope they make a deluxe album because man this new album is tight. Of course if they tour I'm sure they will play old songs because the fans always want to hear older songs. I haven't read into it but it would be cool if the toured this album and played it front to back.
@@exzisdJohn vanderslice, Tim kasher … you might like them
I love his courage and honesty so few people would be able to do this,
I dare one of you non-believers to go on a Christian retreat cause I used to be like you guys, until I felt the presence of God while worshipping then you guys won't doubt.
OMG what kinda hat is that called that Spencer is wearing?? a beenie?
It disgusts me how many Christians still cannot grasp the fact that it is not our place to judge. Every one of you who's talking trash about him right now, think about that.
Mad respect for this. Just cause they are Christian men and write a few songs about Jesus/God, does not make them a Christian band. Music is about emotions and letting it out.
Probably the best answer I've ever heard
of course, as we can see in A Love So Pure, and Spirit Of A Living God.
well i dont know about everyone else in underoath, but aaron gillespie is a full 100% christian, who was born that way. shame hes not in underoath anymore.
This sorta saddens me... I can't judge his heart, but I really hope and pray it is where he seems to be saying it is.
It's not about judging. It's about if he is truly a Christian or not. Sometimes people act like regardless of what a person says or does, that they are still a Christian just because at one time they said they were. Now I am not saying that they had to have sang Michael W. Smith stuff to be true Christians. But If he's not gonna admit he's a Christian, that's a problem. I do believe from what I know of him, however, that he is a Christian, and Underoath is one of my favorite bands.
i gotta say that when Spee said that he wanted to give others the feeling he got while listening to nirvana and led zeppelin, i said outloud thatUnderoath did that for me.Its "MY" music and im proud Underoath is my fave band.
Have a lot of respect for him for saying this. It's true, you shouldn't just shove your beliefs down people's throats. This change in their thinking is them maturing I think.
No he didn't he said that for his last two years in underoath he felt like God wanted him to move on - and he wasn't happy with the direction underoath was taking. So he left - they never kicked him out.
I understood that much. I was just curious if Spencer, himself, was a Christian. I knew he was converted after his addiction to drugs was overcome, but I wasn't sure if he was beginning to doubt again or if he was just saying "if there is a God" for the people watching the interview who didn't believe. thanks for clearing that up for me!
Right on Spencer, I agree 100% with what you have to say and how you go about what you do. You're setting a great example as a person and as a musician, and I look forward to what your future endeavours bring.
Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship. Like any other where not perfect, We are just forgiven
Spencer is a pretty good example of most Christians today. He fully believes in the gospel, but doesn't have the fortitude to tell others without being asked. The bible is pretty clear that God wants his people to use every chance they have to spread salvation and truth. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty a pretty gutless Christian myself, but I don't think he should say that it would "piss God off" for anyone to try and spread love.
I feel as if Spencer calls himself a Christian, and that he does believe in a god, but he just isn't as spiritual as someone like Aaron...and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that...a band is composed of a group of people that all have different beliefs..you can't expect them to agree on everything and I'm sure that's why he said things got complicated.
By Dallas i am assuming you mean Aaron?
I've never read the bible, and i don't want to. I Believe in god, but i don't believe in religion
Believe in whatever you want to, bruh.
***** Christianity is a religion.
the bible doesn't talk about religion it talks about a relationship with you and God
***** ...just stop
***** A religion is when you worship (a) certain God(s).
People just pray for god to show him the true meaning of worship and music!!! God loves him and that will never change!!
In a way he is just like a Christian who is a builder. He doesn't build houses to glorify God, he builds houses because that's what he likes to do. Spencer is a Christian that is a musician, not a Christian musician.
I just love the way he explains his relationship between his religious beliefs and his music. He does it it for the music: because he loves music, and he is able to hold religion personal/between members and friends. I can so much relate. I do some amount of worship (mostly before) and sometime participate in worship concerts. In addition I watched for example Blindside from Sweden last week, which is a post-hardcore/emo/hardcore/metal band with christian lyrics. That doesn't make me any different from anyone other that enjoys metal and music in general. I do admit that I like to find Christianity in metal (or other genres), though, like I have done with Extol, (death/Unblack metal), Fleshkiller (tech/prog death/unblack), as i said Blindside, Living Sacrifice (black/nu metal) and my somewhat guilty pleasure Flyleaf.
Music is a wonderful thing, and I am so happy that I can pick up the guitar and express my self and take a few steps away from my everyday life and into the pure emotional aspect of life. Love these guys.
He just wants everyone to enjoy their music regardless of religion. it's not a band for christians. It's for everyone. They are just christians in a band making music for anyone to listen to, not just for people who agree with their beliefs. If you have a problem with him then that would be exactly why he just said what he said in this interview
@@milito537 well yeah but that's still ok. They don't have to conform to their (old) audience
Why is everyone getting het up over this? It's not like Spencer has suddenly proclaimed to hate God, or disbelieve Christianity. He's just stating that the sole purpose of him being in a band is his love of music, what's wrong with that?
Christian or not, if you like music, you like music. And if you're a good musician, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what your beliefs are.
Underoath are a fantastic band, despite their religious beliefs.
Woahh. Feeling a little betrayed right now, after seeing Spencer talking to crowds about how God saved him from depression and drugs - then seeing this! Woahh, no wonder Aaron left. Will be praying for them that they see their mistakes. :(
I appreciate this. I felt this way too. I think he's being considerate to his fans that aren't Christian. That aren't religious. He's being honest and people especially Christians are going to judge him all day long. But he does it for his love of music. He doesn't have to mix his religion with everything and it doesn't mean he doesn't have "ENOUGH" faith. A mature mind would understand this and not try to denounce his passion for his religion. He just loves his music too.
I'm no holy roller here. But it appears to me that Underoath gained millions of dollars promoting themselves as a ''christian '' band. Now they don't have jobs being a secular band. Just sayin
I highly doubt it's millions of dollars. They aren't a top 40 mainstream band. Not like U2 or Maroon 5, unfortunately.
MarrowEternal They were never a top 20 band. But they were popular and were around for 10 years . I'm not saying they made U2 or KISS money, but they all probably made millions in touring, album sales, merh throughout their careers
MarrowEternal actually, define the great line debuted at #2 on billboard
a christian can have doubt? i think it is an honest interview with honest answers.
Hands down the most judgmental/homophobic/sexist period of my life was when I was surrounded by Christians.
I'm not a Christian and I don't think that should be grounds for criticism. Disagreement sure. It doesn't make me a worse person. Maybe I'm worse than some of you. Maybe I'm better than others. I probably fall somewhere in the range, and I try like most to become a better person over time. I would enjoy it if Christians encouraged me to be a better person instead of criticizing my beliefs. I would enjoy it if churches happily accepted anyone with good intentions as equals into their communities.
No worries. I don't expect to get too many thumbs up when asking Christians to expand their thinking.
He is a christian, and I believe everyone in the band was, but all he's saying is that they don't write songs about their faith, they just write songs about their lives and feelings and situations, so they shouldn't be labeled a christian band if their music is irrelevant to their faith.
Spencer spent most of his life addicted to cocaine and now that the band started spiraling down since aarons departure I feel (in my opinion) that he wanted to go back to "having fun" and doing what he wants to do. He always said "We stand up here in the name of Jesus" and now that he doesn't feel obligated to follow Jesus he's taking back his own words.
Any christian should be willing to understand that there may not be one. I'm not christian/religious so my view on the entire subject is different, but it's ridiculous to say that a christian can't have the thought.
But We as christians are called to love. They are spreading love. God is love.
Its okay if they are agnostic, atheist, etc it they are christians or not. What I really hate is that many bands from back then jumped into the Christian Rock band wagon to make money, and Im calling them out, bands, producers and labels. Im glad they are coming out clean and telling the truth of what they believe in.
listen to the last 6 seconds of the video, and take that as advice.
The title of this video is very misleading... Go back to the VERY beginning of the video. 0:16 "Our hearts are in the same place". That pretty much settles it there... All Spencer is saying is that They're Christians, in a band, who play music, for people who love music, because they also love music. He's not in any way denouncing his Faith or reconsidering what he believes in.
I'm not gonna say anymore but he was kicked out, they say that he left to avoid bad publicity. The band can term it that "he left" but yeah. Doesn't matter either way his not in the band.
Okay, let me step in for just a second. First of all, Underoath is a "Christian" band in the respect that they are all Christian's and share God on stage with people. To argue that, they do not write songs for the sake of worshipping God and that's not a bad thing. Their hearts are where they should be and they talk about their faith, they should write about life how they want to and if that involves not writing solely about God, more power to them.
I've always appreciated Spencer and this makes me love him all the more! All he's saying is as a band, Underoath doesn't have some kind of hidden agenda other than to play music. Their faith will come out in their music b/c that's inevitable, but it's not like their end goal was to be some evangelist band. A good example of this is Thrice. Dustin Kensrue's goal was just to play music and make good art and nothing more.
Uhhh, no dude. God's not the only one who should be telling people what to do. Christianity is letting God use you to share the faith. He said go out there and tell people about Him.
"He" shouldn't have to use people to spread his word. Ignorance.
Gagechannel would it matter to you if He did it any other way? I think not. But just case...if He didn't use other people, then how should He? any other way would mean He has made ignorant robots out of us...
as Christians we are supposed to let God use us, its our job to tell people about him, its not our job to make people beleive, that is Gods job, but we have to plant the seed and spread the word as the apostles did, i dont think we should tell non believers how to live because that would drive people away, that is also Gods job to convict us, but i believe that if we see a brother or sister in Christ that is stumbling we should say something and help in a helpful but not angry or proud way
their songs do talk about god though. they're just not like in your face about it
saying what he's said in this video merely shows that he's too focused on not alienating people instead of focusing on spreading God.
"Oh no, he's not a Christian (anymore)!" Who are you to decide and to judge?!
Who are you to decide on And judge what i decide on?
Spencer is not the original vocalist that got them labeled as a Christian band so I don't understand why he is addressing the question in this manner. The first album was very much a preachy Christian album.
By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. Mathew 12:37
I accidentally voted down your comment, when I went to vote it up. My apologies. I totally agree with your statement.
So is he or is he not a Christian? I noticed he said "if there is a god.." three times. Not that it bothers me, just curious.
Absolutely mate, completely agree. I don't think you should go round shoving in people's faces. But you're not showing God through your love if you are watering down your beliefs in order not to alienate people. That's what I think Underoath were doing towards the end.
One of my all time favorites
His level of faith is just so beyond you and your radical western Christianity beliefs, he's not afraid to question God nor is he afraid to be open about it to TRULY connect to agnostic/atheists, and truly connecting with people is something that is obviously a huge road block for a Christian like you. God WELCOMES questioning, and with that understanding where Spencer is coming from angle I would say that Spencer is saying "If there is a God" out of respect of atheists/agnostics.
Jesus Christ said that "My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me" - JESUS CHRIST IS MY GOD, MY LORD, MY SAVIOR - GET SAVED - Jesus Christ Saves
People please stop doing this, stop forcing religion on people. We are all equal and made to love one another, I've been a christian my whole life but I will never tell someone, "GET SAVED". They are to come of there own accord and if they don't, nothing is wrong with them, nothing is to be said wrong about them, its not they are not wrong just because they don't accept Jesus. WSNmin please read Matthew 7:2 and 5. I just don't want you to spread the rather broad stereotype that all christian do this. I am sorry everyone for our wrongs against you, truly. I pray judgmental individuals will think of the bigger picture before posting things like that.
Eww. These are the things that make Christianity look unappealing; if I and everyone else wanted to see something like that, we would open a bible.
People like you force it in everything and everywhere it shouldn't be.
I stopped reading at "We are told". Lol, I'm sorry. You just said that a book from hundreds and hundreds of years ago told you and others to do something. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds to the real world? Religion is like a habit of watching porn, if you do it; awesome, but no one cares or wants to know or hear about it with the exception of your other fellow Christians. Go to conventions, or churches if you want to throw your unnecessary opinions that are among the minority about, mate.
No, we learn actual history from books with known facts and that have been proven. As to the bible is a book and is acknowledged as ONLY a book, such as sleeping beauty, filled with stories. It was written by a bunch of people who no one has a clue who they even were, and nothing in it is proven to be fact, other than a man was crucified. A man walking around producing miracles? Nope. That wasn't a proven fact. The book is acknowledged by officials of history as a science fiction novel for a reason. Why do you think it is that it isn't taught in school? Oh, close-minded people being lead by the devil. Good answer
And hold on, I just took the time to read the rest of your comment, sorry. So the commandments in the bible are what everyone is born with and already knew, it's called a conscience. I didn't need a book to know I shouldn't cheat, lie, or steel. It also includes typical discrimination against gay people. I'm surprised black people weren't mentioned.
I'll be honest, The book itself is less than clever, anyone can see the typical patterns. It's because it was written by a bunch of ordinary people who wanted to troll the world for as many years as possible. It's the typical: believe in this or perish- formula
Christianity has produced more harm than good, look at all of the -FACT- murders that happened because of it in the king and queen days.
I think he had said once that the combination of his love for music, and God, had saved him from his cocaine addiction. He probably said "if" for the fans who may not believe, because on their second album, they made a speech, talking about their religion, and that they don't want to feel like they're trying to shove their religion down peoples' throats, but that they want everyone to at least give it a try. (:
hahaha you fools all come on here and judge Spencer. classic Christian move.
they do mention JUST NOT on big stages....
I would be really happy if Christianity was all about love and good morality, and spreading those things. Drop the stuff about people burning in hell if they believe something wrong, the stuff about homosexuals or any other harmless group of people as being bad or misguided. Christianity would be better as a positive way of life. Leave out the negative parts. Recognize other people have valid ways of living too, even if they aren't Christian.
This guy has my respect