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I have used them on various Adventure bikes and a KLR 650. Lot s of miles and varying conditions in the Rocky mountains of Colorado. They just cannot be beat for the money. Good profiles. Good wear. Good traction and tough. As far as the rear, I like a loose lateral traction. I want the rear end to move around when I want it to. Really is a good solid tire set
Ive ran the shinko 804-805 on a 2012 tiger 800xc , KTM 390adv, and KTM 890advR and can say I agree 💯 with your findings. Great tire to ride on the road to the trail and with the right skill it will get you anywhere. I've ran much more expensive nobbies from mitas and perrelie and yeah those tire rock off-road like dam I swear I could ride straight up a wall lol but I can't see spending that money for such short tire life "expensive nobbies" . I ride my bike on road to the trail and sometimes I ride 100s of miles on road jus wondering around. I would definitely recommend shinko tires just make sure you don't get sent old ones so check your tire birth date cause Amazon has sent me 6 year old tires before. Thank you as I enjoy your views in things
I currently have them on my Royal Enfield Himalayan 411 riding on Singapore and Malaysian roads. They're fantastic tyres irrespective of the price. Low noise when dry and good enough grip in the wet. A couple of thousand ks on them so far and they look brand new. I don't plan to go offroad on this bike yet.
Treating it as a "learn to ride better" experience does have its merits .. which is why the little bike (KDX220R) is trying to kill me these days. The slimy mud of the PNW coastal range does a number on the 7 year old Trakmaster 2's, and the feel of the bike is kept "interesting" by the patented Stihl steering destabilizer. Unfortunately carrying the saw is a necessity there now due to wintertime deadfall. Never a dull moment! 😂
I agree with your comments. I've had these tires on my DR650 for 10,000 kms, and they've done well here on Vancouver Island. I will be changing them this year for some Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires, just to try something different which will give me better traction/confidence on wet pavement.
805 on a 890 adventure, imo it's a Pirelli Scorpion rally str, with a bit more thread, so mud no thanks. I don't agree with 40/60 even 50/50... But for the price I can't complain.
Yeah, this is the tire I use on my BMW F650. It really is a great all rounder. And cheap enough I just throw on a fresh set if I have a long trip planned and the tires are 50% or more done. I change the front when I change the rear because I am fairly heavy on the front brake and will scallop the knobs.
Yep, your assessment is supported by this Gumby. Fitted a set to my TE 630 3wks ago for an ADV down to the NSW high country. I dropped to 22R/18F and that improved the feeling on the gravel bits. I hate changing tyres on my Tubliss system so the extra life will be welcome between skinned knuckles and alarmed neighbours.
I loved them as an all round adv tire. for 6 months I did highway riding 50 miles a day with them rain or shine doing 70mph I didn't experience lacking in the wet lol but yes they sucked in mud. I ran them on my BMW F800gs. I started riding harder off road and then I wanted a more aggressive tire set and went with the tusk dual sport adv tires for the budget 90-10 off roader
I made too many pirouettes in deep slimy cross rutted mud on these tires on my T7. The lack of lateral grip makes them scary in our local winter conditions where I live. Apart from that: pretty good.
Barry - another great video !!! - I've been running the Shinko 244's for about 3000 miles. Love the rear - but the front is "cupping" really bad. Tons of tread left - but I won't be getting these again. Cheers !!!
Bummer about the cupping, we haven't had that but then we've been running 30psi most of the time. The 244 rear is about 40% cheaper than a Motoz Rallz but only lasted about a 1/3 as long so value for money I think I'll stick with the Motoz at this point. Or the Shinko 805.
I have a set on my v Strom, great on road performance, great traction off-road and seam to be reasonably durable. A few nicks and cuts from loose shale. I only have 3000km on them but can't see any excessive wear.
I installed them on a DR, I have used them on difficult dirt roads and on highways at low and high speeds and they are excellent tires. I previously used the Anakee will and the Pirelli Scorpion and these shinko are an excellent quality-price option.
I'm going to try these next on my DR650. I was very impressed with the wear and grip of the Motoz Rallz but keen to reduce road noise as we always have about an hour's ride before the dirt roads start.
Have them on my Dr650. Tyre pressures are crucial to these tyres especially on ball bearing gravel or sandy conditions. Value for money hard to go past. I went from D606 Dunlops to the shinkos and I couldn't believe the difference on road. I actually knew where my front was again. Have since done suspension up and is so much better again. Will run 804/805 again
Completely agree with air pressures, our rider hated them on gravel roads until he finally lowered the pressures,then they started to hook up really well.
I switched from 705 to 805 on my Tiger 800 and 100% thought the 805 was better everywhere, except longevity. They are quieter and more grippy than the 705 on road cuz they are soft.
I have the E 804 front on a 2006 KTM 640 Adventure and the Kenda Big Block front on a 2003 KTM 640 Adventure. The tread patterns are nearly identical but the handling of the E 804 is much better for me as the steering feels vague with the Big Block. I keep checking to be sure there is no binding of my cables and confirm that is not the issue. I haven't tried the E 805 rear yet but will replace the Continental TKC 80 Twinduro on the 2006 when that tire wears out.
@@crosstrainingadventure I ended up selling it a few years back - but a great little machine, very underrated! Had DR 650 for 50,000 kays, and now CRF Rally. Those Shinko's would serve them all nicely 👍
I've been using them on my 1250gsa for more than 5 years now. Very good on wet bitumen compared to anything motoz offer. I get about 4-5k from the rear. Front lasts 2 to 3 times more. Not great in mud but everything else I've thrown at em has been handled well.
That's great wear on a big bike, Travis. Very interesting you found them good on wet bitumen, we found them very sketchy. But then again it's why we always suggest viewers do plenty of research as we don't trust our own opinions much of the time lol.
@@crosstrainingadventure I believe there is a bias ply version as well as the radial ones I use. Perhaps that explains the different experiences people have with them.
Had an 805 on when we went through the Finke Gorge - you said it - doesn't hook up in sandy loose stuff at all - what a NIGHTMARE. OK in the red sand if you kept the gas on. I got shit endurance on them as well. Not sure how someone gets 17000 k's out of one - perhaps a better measure would be to give us the Klm's AND the HOURS it took to get those Klms (perhaps the bike as well). On my 790 I got 7000 on a trip from Southern NSW, up to Innamincka, down the Strezlecki to Maree, Oddnadatta track up to Mtn Dare, across to Uluru, to Alice Springs via Finke Gorge and back via the Plenty Hwy etc. and they were done. You guys ride hard so will be interested to see what you get. But if the test bike is a DR650 (as a former owner of one) it is not going to compare to the strain modern mid capacity Adv bikes put on tyres.
Definitely full knobbies for Finke Gorge! Great ride hey? I'm baffled by the differences in mileage some riders get with the same tyre. Riding style would account for a lot of course. But maybe cooler weather in some countries? Air pressures? I reckon 7000km sounds pretty good for the rear. Have you got more with certain brands? I reckon my brother will be getting 8000km with his E805 rear but we'll definitely add the final result to the pinned first comment of this vid.
@@crosstrainingadventure - I used to think I was running too low pressures and that was what caused the wear. But the more guys I ride with that go at the same pace, pressure, terrain and riding attitude, I have discovered we are the same. Regardless of brand. Or bike even - I wore out a set of Bridgestone AX41's in 4000k's on a CB500X!!!! On my old DR650 if I got 5000 ks out of a tyre I was impressed. To get 17000 Ks on those tyres (or ANY tyre) would be at 60kph absolute max speeds everywhere off road, (100 on road) and never a snarly snotty hill in sight. Zero wheel spin ever. No wheelies. No power slides - frankly pretty sedate, calm and boring riding. Maybe when I am in my late sixties (10 years to go) I might get the same mileage. 😄
@@crosstrainingadventure i honestly think some people might be exaggerating just a tad; never in nearly 40 years of riding have i got even close to 10,000K's out of any tyre; fast enduro on a 'big bore' enduro 'weapon' would see a rear changed every 3, maybe 4 rides (1000K's tops); racing would see a new tyre every (day) meeting and maybe a days trail ride after racing; on my 'dual sports' (XR650) i'd get around 4-5 USEFUL K's out of a rear tyre if i behaved myself on the tar; R1200GS i'd be lucky if i got 5000k's out of a rear 50/50 tyre before the centre was worn flat like a slick; if your brother gets 8000k's out of his rear tyre, he needs to light the fire a bit more.....
I've had them on my tuareg for about a year. I experienced some squirreliness in mud and sand, but haven't thought to lower pressures. Otherwise it's an awesome tire!
hey as someone who rode with a d605 i think you will love these!! super silent compared to them, amazing road handling, similar offroad performance, superior mileage. i have not looked back, but you do pay more but i think u get double mileage
11500 k so far on my tiger 800xc , front is great all most everywhere and super durable doesn’t chop out with hard road braking even with low pressures , rear is good too but yes extra traction off road will require lower pressure, durability for me maybe 14000k could see many riders getting two to 1 front , they are slightly slippery on wet road front does better, weirdly as rear seams softer, hard pressures best on wet bitcho All in all value tyre great all rounder
Ran 2 of these sets, followed by a AX41 rear and a E10 front. Impressive offroad when gravel, rock, some sand. Not that great in mud and loose sand, but non of them are when they have the same pattern. Onroad dry really impressive, on wet still OK. AX41 offroad seems no difference to me, onroad a bit more grip but rubber seem softer and tyre is gone fast. For the money great tyres! 3000km and halfway, aggressive rider, KTM1090r.
I hope they work well if you get them. In the comment above a guy on a 1250GSA is getting really good mileage and likes them for everything except mud. But then another guy said they wear out too fast on his large adv bike. 🤔 But looking through all these comments the vast majority are a thumbs up.
Yeah, I read through comments with interest and concluded that the terrain I'll be taking the bike would suit the tyres and also give that scrambler look 👍
I found the 805 slides to the side too easily owing to the knobs being lined up in rows, what I believe the people you mentioned referred to as lateral grip, or the lack thereof. If Shinko comes out with a version with offset knobs, yes, these would be much better in more conditions.
Iv had them on a Tiger 800. Were great. Interesting enough I had the 705 at first wanting more road bias. After reluctantly switching to the 805 and thinking I was losing road comfort, I was surprised that the 805 was just better everywhere. It was softer so quieter and more grip on asphalt, grabbed offroad. It did fishtail bad with powerful bikes though, and the center wears off the rear very fast.
Interesting! I thought these Shinkos would suck for road riding too, especially with road noise. But my brother said they've been great so I'm keen to try them myself on my DR650.
@@crosstrainingadventure I think they would be a great fit for a DR. BTW loving the Dual Sport coverage u are doing. I was in my Muppet stage on the Tiger, so i never thought to experiment with air pressure. But on road my experience with them was quiet, comfortable and could lean into any sport bike turn cuz of how soft the compound is. Offroad they worked great on rock, hardpack. The rear even worked decent in sand cuz of the paddle like formation...if the tire was new. The rear just wears fast is my only complaint. But they are cheap!
i ride a klx230 dualsport and i think this is a good option for smaller sized dualsport riders as there is not many 50/50 options for us on small bikes. on my second set now.
currently running an 805 on the rear and a 705 on the front of a set of supermoto wheels. I like the 805 quite a bit. The 705 not so much. Highly considering ditching the 17" front wheel for a 19" for dual sport riding. I plan on running a Heidenau K60 Scout on the 19" front wheel when I eventually get it (have that tire laying around already). I have the stock 18x21 rims set up with a Dunlop D606 (rear) and a Pirelli MT21 Rally Cross on the front. I love those tires in the dirt, but they shred themselves on the pavement. Thus the second set of rims.
I run an E804 on the front and a Kenda Big Block on the back of the big girl (1150GSA). I think these type of tyres are better suited for bigger bikes myself. I run the usual tyres like MT21's and D606's on the DR. Currently running Motoz DualVenture front and Rallz rear. Seems like you need to run really low pressure on Motoz to stop it skating around.
Used them on a DRZ400 that's treated as a big dirt bike, on road they were great, off road I hated them. I have a video of myself on the pegs idling down a flat dirt and grass road, went through a puddle and the instant the rear got wet it put me right on my ass. The rear was always sliding out the instant anything was wet and trying to pass the front.
Funny thing is we looked at the tread pattern and thought these will be great off road and not great on the road. But it turned out to be a bit the other way around.
I had the 805 on the back of my Trumpy Scrambler 1200 XE. Excellent on the bitumen, I could corner hard without a worry and nice and quiet. On the dirt it was skaty, you could it sliding around. Cheap, yep tick. Wear, 2500ks and it was not quite cactus but was a non off-road tyre. I dunno what people do to get these huge miles outta tyres. I'm a bit of hoon but I'm not doing burnouts or even riding as hard you lot. If I get 6000 ks out of a tyre on any bike I'm happy.
Huge differences in mileage intrigue me too. Cool climate might make a big difference? But I suspect it's mostly riding style. Hard acceleration, hanging the back out etc.
@@crosstrainingadventure Why do you think cool climate? I live in the cold part of QLD but while it gets a bit a chilly it ain't Canada. Yep, even on my old Harley and a Commando I have I've never got more than six thousand outta a tyre. You do a great job with ya RUclips stuff
I can't find any research into ambient temperature and tyre wear. But I figure there'd have to be an effect with riding in 30C versus around 5C or less? Don't know if it would be a big difference though...
@@crosstrainingadventure i'm with you regarding cooler temps and tyre wear; rubber hardens with cooler temps, as does the tar so it only stands to reason that they will wear better in the cooler months, especially on road; conversely, when off-road they don't grip as well and are more susceptible to ripping chunks out of the knobs when doing rocky climbs etc....
😂 Yeah that was pretty much the theme of our general 'best tyre?' guide. Working on your riding skills will always make a bigger difference than obsessing over tread patterns.
I ran the Shinko 804/5 on my T7 after burning through the stock Pirellis. I was still learning the ways of ADV riding, when I had the Shinkos on still am learning. If memory serves I got about 4K miles on the rear the front has some tread left. I have to ride 30-45 min on pavement to get to some dirt, so there is that. Would I buy them again, sure. I am in the PNW for reference. I switched to Motoz DV front and GPS rear and ran them for much longer mileage 6k plus than the Shinkos.
I've used it on a 990 before. More or less on par with TKC 80 for half the price. They do let up on wet pavement. Also are pretty hopeless on wet grass which is common here. Switched to TKC 70 for road use and agressive Mitas for offroad, the 50-50 set never felt optimal.
shinko is made from south korea . im also trust cuz im korean? haha no wet ability is low but most offroad and road is very good and nice price. also shinko made OEM from big brand tyre so im very many time using shinko sometimes mitas. not the best but price per ability is good.
I have used multiple Shinko tires, using Amazon search function for star rating and price, time of delivery. Shinko is always great on price point but I have never been impressed w performance or wear. On big bore bikes of @475lbs or more, bags and American 200 pound rider, the tires don't do anything well. For me they have almost become a tire you install when selling a bike, not intending to ride or keep it. There definitely have a place in the market, have friends who are fans, and people here, use anything but for me
Have them on my drz 400e and just love them taking me every where and anywhere i wont to go i also have the 804 on the front of my gs 800 did just short of 25 thousand km around Australia change the front in karratha at 14 thousand km the mechanic said were did you get these said never heard of them and also said they still had another 2-3 thousand km left went as much dirt and all sorts of terrain put a motoz adventure on the front holy shit scary and straight out dangerous never in all that riding did i get a puncher had a gps motoz on the back around 14000 km came home to tassie after 4 months and put another 804 on the front amazing.
Shinko seem to last quite awhile, I bought a 505 cheater for my husky 300 5 years ago had it on for 12 months then took it off because it wasn’t great for enduro, it didn’t wear down much so I kept it and then put it on my sons KTM 250 and I’ve done some long distance adv rides and it’s great for that, will probably last another 12 months lol
Question: is there ANY tyre that works well on hard packed wet red clay and on the road? is there ANY tyre that works well in mud and on the road? the old Universal Trials type tyres worked ok on wet clay and ok on road but you'd never say they were great or get you anywhere in a hurry; a paddle type rear (tall, spaced knobs) will work ok in mud but ya can't use it on road and expect it to last or have any grip in corners; just like the 'unicorn' bike, is there a 'unicorn' tyre being hidden somewhere?
Yeah there's always that compromise. My suggestion would be consider TUbliss. In wet clay you can let the pressure down to 2psi and get a huge footprint for maximum traction. Then pump it up to 15psi for the road. Yesterday the guys with TUbliss were getting up all these slippery clay climbs. I was on a bike with normal tubes, 8psi and brand new knobbies. I couldn't get up any of them and we had to pull the bike up each climb lol.
@@crosstrainingadventure good advice re the TUbliss; i've read nothing but good things about that system; i bet you hated being assisted up hills; it's kinda like being forced into newbie mode; errrgh.
Very very embarrassing lol. My brother tried to ride it up one of the clay hills and said it slipped so badly he was surprised I got up any of the hills. Re: the TUbliss, we've done a review covering the pros and cons. Not great if you are into serious racing. But for everyday riding it's pretty good unless you like regularly changing soft mousses!
@@crosstrainingadventure know the feeling well...i'm a dinosaur when it comes to all things tech so H/D tubes it is for me; they handle 10-14 psi pretty good; i also loathe wet red clay so i treat like i do all things tech....go the other way!
AVAILABLE SIZES & MAX PRESSURES shinkotyres.com.au/shop/e-804805-series/
LATERAL STABILITY? A few viewers have commented that the tread pattern means the rear was more inclined to slip with aggressive cornering. We found this to be the case but not to a dangerous degree. Certainly if you plan to corner hard in the dirt you may want to look at a more aggressive knobby. The big block tread pattern certainly seems more geared to coping with acceleration and braking.
TYRE REVIEW STRATEGY Ever researched a specific tyre and find some riders love it, others hate it? Some say it lasts forever, others say it barely lasted three rides? Our strategy is to spend hours collecting as many owner reports (and any objective reviews) as possible. We combine this with our own experience with the tyre, then publish a review that hopefully will show what most riders think. We also invite viewers to comments on these videos. If any positive or negative comments are really relevant we'll post them here in the pinned first comment.
I have used them on various Adventure bikes and a KLR 650. Lot s of miles and varying conditions in the Rocky mountains of Colorado. They just cannot be beat for the money. Good profiles. Good wear. Good traction and tough. As far as the rear, I like a loose lateral traction. I want the rear end to move around when I want it to. Really is a good solid tire set
Great to hear. These are on my brother's DR650 and I'm keen to try them on mine soon.
Ive ran the shinko 804-805 on a 2012 tiger 800xc , KTM 390adv, and KTM 890advR and can say I agree 💯 with your findings. Great tire to ride on the road to the trail and with the right skill it will get you anywhere. I've ran much more expensive nobbies from mitas and perrelie and yeah those tire rock off-road like dam I swear I could ride straight up a wall lol but I can't see spending that money for such short tire life "expensive nobbies" . I ride my bike on road to the trail and sometimes I ride 100s of miles on road jus wondering around. I would definitely recommend shinko tires just make sure you don't get sent old ones so check your tire birth date cause Amazon has sent me 6 year old tires before. Thank you as I enjoy your views in things
Great to hear they've worked well on the light and heavy bikes. 👍
I currently have them on my Royal Enfield Himalayan 411 riding on Singapore and Malaysian roads. They're fantastic tyres irrespective of the price. Low noise when dry and good enough grip in the wet. A couple of thousand ks on them so far and they look brand new. I don't plan to go offroad on this bike yet.
Treating it as a "learn to ride better" experience does have its merits .. which is why the little bike (KDX220R) is trying to kill me these days. The slimy mud of the PNW coastal range does a number on the 7 year old Trakmaster 2's, and the feel of the bike is kept "interesting" by the patented Stihl steering destabilizer. Unfortunately carrying the saw is a necessity there now due to wintertime deadfall. Never a dull moment! 😂
I agree with your comments. I've had these tires on my DR650 for 10,000 kms, and they've done well here on Vancouver Island. I will be changing them this year for some Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires, just to try something different which will give me better traction/confidence on wet pavement.
805 on a 890 adventure, imo it's a Pirelli Scorpion rally str, with a bit more thread, so mud no thanks.
I don't agree with 40/60 even 50/50...
But for the price I can't complain.
Yeah, this is the tire I use on my BMW F650. It really is a great all rounder. And cheap enough I just throw on a fresh set if I have a long trip planned and the tires are 50% or more done. I change the front when I change the rear because I am fairly heavy on the front brake and will scallop the knobs.
Yep, your assessment is supported by this Gumby. Fitted a set to my TE 630 3wks ago for an ADV down to the NSW high country. I dropped to 22R/18F and that improved the feeling on the gravel bits. I hate changing tyres on my Tubliss system so the extra life will be welcome between skinned knuckles and alarmed neighbours.
I hate changing tyres full stop... TUbliss or tubes lol. So anything that lasts a long time gets a big thumbs up from me.
They look very similar to the Bridgestone Battlax At 41s. Those came on my Ktm 350 and I found them surprisingly capable off-road.
I loved them as an all round adv tire. for 6 months I did highway riding 50 miles a day with them rain or shine doing 70mph I didn't experience lacking in the wet lol but yes they sucked in mud. I ran them on my BMW F800gs. I started riding harder off road and then I wanted a more aggressive tire set and went with the tusk dual sport adv tires for the budget 90-10 off roader
Liking the Tusk? We don't have them here and we are very jealous of the price lol. Apparently just like a D606, but cheaper and they last longer?
Transformed the bike , especially the 804 , I could relax and enjoy the ride . KLR
I made too many pirouettes in deep slimy cross rutted mud on these tires on my T7. The lack of lateral grip makes them scary in our local winter conditions where I live. Apart from that: pretty good.
Barry - another great video !!! - I've been running the Shinko 244's for about 3000 miles. Love the rear - but the front is "cupping" really bad. Tons of tread left - but I won't be getting these again.
Cheers !!!
Bummer about the cupping, we haven't had that but then we've been running 30psi most of the time. The 244 rear is about 40% cheaper than a Motoz Rallz but only lasted about a 1/3 as long so value for money I think I'll stick with the Motoz at this point. Or the Shinko 805.
I have a set on my v Strom, great on road performance, great traction off-road and seam to be reasonably durable. A few nicks and cuts from loose shale. I only have 3000km on them but can't see any excessive wear.
Good to hear, the V-strom is not a light bike...
I installed them on a DR, I have used them on difficult dirt roads and on highways at low and high speeds and they are excellent tires. I previously used the Anakee will and the Pirelli Scorpion and these shinko are an excellent quality-price option.
I'm going to try these next on my DR650. I was very impressed with the wear and grip of the Motoz Rallz but keen to reduce road noise as we always have about an hour's ride before the dirt roads start.
Have them on my Dr650. Tyre pressures are crucial to these tyres especially on ball bearing gravel or sandy conditions. Value for money hard to go past. I went from D606 Dunlops to the shinkos and I couldn't believe the difference on road. I actually knew where my front was again. Have since done suspension up and is so much better again. Will run 804/805 again
Completely agree with air pressures, our rider hated them on gravel roads until he finally lowered the pressures,then they started to hook up really well.
What pressures would you recommend for gravel? I've tried 22-23 f and r and felt good. Are you going lower than that?
not yet. I have tried the E705 80/20 and was very impressed with those on my F800gs. The 805 is the next one being fitted.
I switched from 705 to 805 on my Tiger 800 and 100% thought the 805 was better everywhere, except longevity. They are quieter and more grippy than the 705 on road cuz they are soft.
I have the E 804 front on a 2006 KTM 640 Adventure and the Kenda Big Block front on a 2003 KTM 640 Adventure. The tread patterns are nearly identical but the handling of the E 804 is much better for me as the steering feels vague with the Big Block. I keep checking to be sure there is no binding of my cables and confirm that is not the issue. I haven't tried the E 805 rear yet but will replace the Continental TKC 80 Twinduro on the 2006 when that tire wears out.
Good review on the Shinko. I had them on a little GS310. Great adventure tire, like you said, very long wearing. Great on road too 👍
Enjoying the little Beemer? I still haven't had a chance to ride one.
@@crosstrainingadventure I ended up selling it a few years back - but a great little machine, very underrated! Had DR 650 for 50,000 kays, and now CRF Rally. Those Shinko's would serve them all nicely 👍
I've been using them on my 1250gsa for more than 5 years now. Very good on wet bitumen compared to anything motoz offer. I get about 4-5k from the rear. Front lasts 2 to 3 times more. Not great in mud but everything else I've thrown at em has been handled well.
That's great wear on a big bike, Travis. Very interesting you found them good on wet bitumen, we found them very sketchy. But then again it's why we always suggest viewers do plenty of research as we don't trust our own opinions much of the time lol.
@@crosstrainingadventure I believe there is a bias ply version as well as the radial ones I use. Perhaps that explains the different experiences people have with them.
Had an 805 on when we went through the Finke Gorge - you said it - doesn't hook up in sandy loose stuff at all - what a NIGHTMARE. OK in the red sand if you kept the gas on.
I got shit endurance on them as well. Not sure how someone gets 17000 k's out of one - perhaps a better measure would be to give us the Klm's AND the HOURS it took to get those Klms (perhaps the bike as well). On my 790 I got 7000 on a trip from Southern NSW, up to Innamincka, down the Strezlecki to Maree, Oddnadatta track up to Mtn Dare, across to Uluru, to Alice Springs via Finke Gorge and back via the Plenty Hwy etc. and they were done.
You guys ride hard so will be interested to see what you get. But if the test bike is a DR650 (as a former owner of one) it is not going to compare to the strain modern mid capacity Adv bikes put on tyres.
Definitely full knobbies for Finke Gorge! Great ride hey? I'm baffled by the differences in mileage some riders get with the same tyre. Riding style would account for a lot of course. But maybe cooler weather in some countries? Air pressures?
I reckon 7000km sounds pretty good for the rear. Have you got more with certain brands? I reckon my brother will be getting 8000km with his E805 rear but we'll definitely add the final result to the pinned first comment of this vid.
@@crosstrainingadventure - I used to think I was running too low pressures and that was what caused the wear. But the more guys I ride with that go at the same pace, pressure, terrain and riding attitude, I have discovered we are the same. Regardless of brand. Or bike even - I wore out a set of Bridgestone AX41's in 4000k's on a CB500X!!!! On my old DR650 if I got 5000 ks out of a tyre I was impressed.
To get 17000 Ks on those tyres (or ANY tyre) would be at 60kph absolute max speeds everywhere off road, (100 on road) and never a snarly snotty hill in sight. Zero wheel spin ever. No wheelies. No power slides - frankly pretty sedate, calm and boring riding. Maybe when I am in my late sixties (10 years to go) I might get the same mileage. 😄
@@crosstrainingadventure i honestly think some people might be exaggerating just a tad; never in nearly 40 years of riding have i got even close to 10,000K's out of any tyre; fast enduro on a 'big bore' enduro 'weapon' would see a rear changed every 3, maybe 4 rides (1000K's tops); racing would see a new tyre every (day) meeting and maybe a days trail ride after racing; on my 'dual sports' (XR650) i'd get around 4-5 USEFUL K's out of a rear tyre if i behaved myself on the tar; R1200GS i'd be lucky if i got 5000k's out of a rear 50/50 tyre before the centre was worn flat like a slick; if your brother gets 8000k's out of his rear tyre, he needs to light the fire a bit more.....
I've had them on my tuareg for about a year. I experienced some squirreliness in mud and sand, but haven't thought to lower pressures. Otherwise it's an awesome tire!
I might try them. I'm enjoying my d 605s though.... good video. Thanks
hey as someone who rode with a d605 i think you will love these!! super silent compared to them, amazing road handling, similar offroad performance, superior mileage. i have not looked back, but you do pay more but i think u get double mileage
11500 k so far on my tiger 800xc , front is great all most everywhere and super durable doesn’t chop out with hard road braking even with low pressures , rear is good too but yes extra traction off road will require lower pressure, durability for me maybe 14000k could see many riders getting two to 1 front , they are slightly slippery on wet road front does better, weirdly as rear seams softer, hard pressures best on wet bitcho
All in all value tyre great all rounder
Ran 2 of these sets, followed by a AX41 rear and a E10 front.
Impressive offroad when gravel, rock, some sand. Not that great in mud and loose sand, but non of them are when they have the same pattern.
Onroad dry really impressive, on wet still OK. AX41 offroad seems no difference to me, onroad a bit more grip but rubber seem softer and tyre is gone fast.
For the money great tyres! 3000km and halfway, aggressive rider, KTM1090r.
Thanks for the feedback
Funnily enough I was just looking at this combo for my next set of tyres on my Triumph Scrambler 1200XE making this video an interesting watch 👍
I hope they work well if you get them. In the comment above a guy on a 1250GSA is getting really good mileage and likes them for everything except mud. But then another guy said they wear out too fast on his large adv bike. 🤔 But looking through all these comments the vast majority are a thumbs up.
Yeah, I read through comments with interest and concluded that the terrain I'll be taking the bike would suit the tyres and also give that scrambler look 👍
I found the 805 slides to the side too easily owing to the knobs being lined up in rows, what I believe the people you mentioned referred to as lateral grip, or the lack thereof. If Shinko comes out with a version with offset knobs, yes, these would be much better in more conditions.
Iv had them on a Tiger 800. Were great. Interesting enough I had the 705 at first wanting more road bias. After reluctantly switching to the 805 and thinking I was losing road comfort, I was surprised that the 805 was just better everywhere. It was softer so quieter and more grip on asphalt, grabbed offroad. It did fishtail bad with powerful bikes though, and the center wears off the rear very fast.
Interesting! I thought these Shinkos would suck for road riding too, especially with road noise. But my brother said they've been great so I'm keen to try them myself on my DR650.
@@crosstrainingadventure I think they would be a great fit for a DR. BTW loving the Dual Sport coverage u are doing. I was in my Muppet stage on the Tiger, so i never thought to experiment with air pressure. But on road my experience with them was quiet, comfortable and could lean into any sport bike turn cuz of how soft the compound is. Offroad they worked great on rock, hardpack. The rear even worked decent in sand cuz of the paddle like formation...if the tire was new. The rear just wears fast is my only complaint. But they are cheap!
i ride a klx230 dualsport and i think this is a good option for smaller sized dualsport riders as there is not many 50/50 options for us on small bikes. on my second set now.
currently running an 805 on the rear and a 705 on the front of a set of supermoto wheels. I like the 805 quite a bit. The 705 not so much. Highly considering ditching the 17" front wheel for a 19" for dual sport riding. I plan on running a Heidenau K60 Scout on the 19" front wheel when I eventually get it (have that tire laying around already).
I have the stock 18x21 rims set up with a Dunlop D606 (rear) and a Pirelli MT21 Rally Cross on the front. I love those tires in the dirt, but they shred themselves on the pavement. Thus the second set of rims.
I run an E804 on the front and a Kenda Big Block on the back of the big girl (1150GSA). I think these type of tyres are better suited for bigger bikes myself.
I run the usual tyres like MT21's and D606's on the DR. Currently running Motoz DualVenture front and Rallz rear. Seems like you need to run really low pressure on Motoz to stop it skating around.
Yep, I have Motoz Rallz on my DR650 and off-road I find a big difference dropping down to 20psi.
Used them on a DRZ400 that's treated as a big dirt bike, on road they were great, off road I hated them.
I have a video of myself on the pegs idling down a flat dirt and grass road, went through a puddle and the instant the rear got wet it put me right on my ass.
The rear was always sliding out the instant anything was wet and trying to pass the front.
Funny thing is we looked at the tread pattern and thought these will be great off road and not great on the road. But it turned out to be a bit the other way around.
My favourite Adv tyre, i'm a tight ass!
So are we lol!
Great video is always my down under dude but this time the guitar lick is what got my like
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I need to get myself an electric guitar again lol. I've only had the classical for about 15 years now...
I had the 805 on the back of my Trumpy Scrambler 1200 XE. Excellent on the bitumen, I could corner hard without a worry and nice and quiet. On the dirt it was skaty, you could it sliding around. Cheap, yep tick. Wear, 2500ks and it was not quite cactus but was a non off-road tyre. I dunno what people do to get these huge miles outta tyres. I'm a bit of hoon but I'm not doing burnouts or even riding as hard you lot. If I get 6000 ks out of a tyre on any bike I'm happy.
Huge differences in mileage intrigue me too. Cool climate might make a big difference? But I suspect it's mostly riding style. Hard acceleration, hanging the back out etc.
@@crosstrainingadventure Why do you think cool climate? I live in the cold part of QLD but while it gets a bit a chilly it ain't Canada. Yep, even on my old Harley and a Commando I have I've never got more than six thousand outta a tyre. You do a great job with ya RUclips stuff
I can't find any research into ambient temperature and tyre wear. But I figure there'd have to be an effect with riding in 30C versus around 5C or less? Don't know if it would be a big difference though...
@@crosstrainingadventure i'm with you regarding cooler temps and tyre wear; rubber hardens with cooler temps, as does the tar so it only stands to reason that they will wear better in the cooler months, especially on road; conversely, when off-road they don't grip as well and are more susceptible to ripping chunks out of the knobs when doing rocky climbs etc....
Round and black. The air stays inside, that’s a win. As said work more on skills, less on hand wringing over tyre selection.
😂 Yeah that was pretty much the theme of our general 'best tyre?' guide. Working on your riding skills will always make a bigger difference than obsessing over tread patterns.
I ran the Shinko 804/5 on my T7 after burning through the stock Pirellis. I was still learning the ways of ADV riding, when I had the Shinkos on still am learning. If memory serves I got about 4K miles on the rear the front has some tread left. I have to ride 30-45 min on pavement to get to some dirt, so there is that. Would I buy them again, sure. I am in the PNW for reference.
I switched to Motoz DV front and GPS rear and ran them for much longer mileage 6k plus than the Shinkos.
Great to hear!
I've used it on a 990 before. More or less on par with TKC 80 for half the price. They do let up on wet pavement. Also are pretty hopeless on wet grass which is common here. Switched to TKC 70 for road use and agressive Mitas for offroad, the 50-50 set never felt optimal.
Yep, we get a bit worried on wet roads with these Shinkos but then we get jittery with any tyre in the rain and just slow down to a snail's pace lol.
shinko is made from south korea . im also trust cuz im korean? haha no wet ability is low but most offroad and road is very good and nice price. also shinko made OEM from big brand tyre so im very many time using shinko sometimes mitas. not the best but price per ability is good.
I must admit I like cheaper prices so I'm keen to try these on my bike next.
I have used multiple Shinko tires, using Amazon search function for star rating and price, time of delivery. Shinko is always great on price point but I have never been impressed w performance or wear. On big bore bikes of @475lbs or more, bags and American 200 pound rider, the tires don't do anything well. For me they have almost become a tire you install when selling a bike, not intending to ride or keep it. There definitely have a place in the market, have friends who are fans, and people here, use anything but for me
Interesting. Which tyres have you found do get good wear on the larger bikes?
Have them on my drz 400e and just love them taking me every where and anywhere i wont to go i also have the 804 on the front of my gs 800 did just short of 25 thousand km around Australia change the front in karratha at 14 thousand km the mechanic said were did you get these said never heard of them and also said they still had another 2-3 thousand km left went as much dirt and all sorts of terrain put a motoz adventure on the front holy shit scary and straight out dangerous never in all that riding did i get a puncher had a gps motoz on the back around 14000 km came home to tassie after 4 months and put another 804 on the front amazing.
Shinko seem to last quite awhile, I bought a 505 cheater for my husky 300 5 years ago had it on for 12 months then took it off because it wasn’t great for enduro, it didn’t wear down much so I kept it and then put it on my sons KTM 250 and I’ve done some long distance adv rides and it’s great for that, will probably last another 12 months lol
Question: is there ANY tyre that works well on hard packed wet red clay and on the road? is there ANY tyre that works well in mud and on the road? the old Universal Trials type tyres worked ok on wet clay and ok on road but you'd never say they were great or get you anywhere in a hurry; a paddle type rear (tall, spaced knobs) will work ok in mud but ya can't use it on road and expect it to last or have any grip in corners; just like the 'unicorn' bike, is there a 'unicorn' tyre being hidden somewhere?
Yeah there's always that compromise. My suggestion would be consider TUbliss. In wet clay you can let the pressure down to 2psi and get a huge footprint for maximum traction. Then pump it up to 15psi for the road. Yesterday the guys with TUbliss were getting up all these slippery clay climbs. I was on a bike with normal tubes, 8psi and brand new knobbies. I couldn't get up any of them and we had to pull the bike up each climb lol.
@@crosstrainingadventure good advice re the TUbliss; i've read nothing but good things about that system; i bet you hated being assisted up hills; it's kinda like being forced into newbie mode; errrgh.
Very very embarrassing lol. My brother tried to ride it up one of the clay hills and said it slipped so badly he was surprised I got up any of the hills. Re: the TUbliss, we've done a review covering the pros and cons. Not great if you are into serious racing. But for everyday riding it's pretty good unless you like regularly changing soft mousses!
@@crosstrainingadventure know the feeling well...i'm a dinosaur when it comes to all things tech so H/D tubes it is for me; they handle 10-14 psi pretty good; i also loathe wet red clay so i treat like i do all things tech....go the other way!
Would offset blocks not help more in mud and sand as well?
Hard to say, I figured offset might not let them dig in as much?
Admit it : Shinko brand is top dog overall.
I think they do some very good tyres for the budget price range...
my wife runs them on her cb500x. she likes them, but she is not super aggressive..
No tyre noise on the road with the CB500X? Just wondering as it's about 30kg heavier than the DR650...
@@crosstrainingadventure she hasn’t complained about them being noisy, she has run them much over 60 ish mph
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What super moto front fender do you have on the dr650?
Just a standard YZ450F/WR450F fender, not supermoto.
Thank you