I have the exact same model but it's the SL-1210 mkII. The only difference is that it's charcoal/black. I bought 2 of them from a nightclub that was closing. I like it à lot. I gave the other one, which was a SL-1200 mkII to my daughter who also appreciate good music and equipment. The only thing is that I upgraded both the cartridge with ortophon blue. I love them and I don't see why I would buy another one. They're good enough for me. The cartridge make a huge difference. It was equipped with the sure sc35.
Most people understand that a good turntable needs a good cartridge but many people forget that a really good phono stage brings the music to life and brings out so many details. It the same thing as how people forget that a good cd transport needs a great dac with holographic sound, (not some delta sigma dac) in order to have an immersive experience. And never use blue tooth, it compresses the sound.
@@Soloaudiophiling It depends on your price range. I'm not rich so I generally like the Cambridge Audio or Rega models, which are mid-priced. I'd stay away from any of the newer Chinese brands that go for under $150 though. I've heard a few and they don't compare to what you can get for a bit more money. You don't have to pay a ton of money to beat what is in your amp/receiver. I like Cambridge Audio stages because they have more warmth and open stage presence but the Rega had more punch, dynamics and seem quicker. I'd recommend buying from a site where you can return it if you don't like the sound of that particular model.
So what to get? Should I go on eBay!? I currently have one that was gifted to me an audiotronics. Keep it or get something new? I do need to replace the needle and the sound is okay, I think it could be richer however, could be the needle!? Help please
I personally think you should have included the RT-85 with 3 feet, Ortofon 2m blue cart , acrylic platter and removable head shell for easy of changing cartridges....I have the rt-85 and it will be the last I buy
@@eldesgraciado6690 I bought my Rt81 new/sealed from a stereo dealer on eBay for $250. I also bought a new Sony reciever off eBay For $150. I already had Sony front speakers as well as a subwoofer. I only play vintage Vinyl records and it all sounds very good with my setup. I finally justed pulled the trigger and bought them, I'm very happy and it sounds great for the prices I paid. 👍
The Denon DP-300F hums at higher volumes and has a problem with taller carts. I followed it with a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon, Clear Audio Concept, Pro-Ject Classic, Pro-Ject Xtension 9 S, Rega Planar 3, Planar 6 and lastly the RP 10. No major complaints about any except the Denon.
For anyone who is thinking about the Sony lx310bt, please choose a different turntable. It has the weakest Bluetooth connection, making my senheiser 450 sound like I am failing a hearing test. Also, after 3 months, the turntable also stopped giving power to my speakers. Sony refuses to give me my money back. It is now the most expensive paperweight in my house.
I've had the Denon DP-300f for a few years now and it works great. Having a counterweight and dustcover were must-haves for me and the automatic tonearm is so convenient. Would definitely recommend.
It's the needle and cartridge that makes for a good sound as long as the turntable is quiet & speed accurate. Most good quality used old school turntables can be found at a very cheap price. Best of all, most can be fitted with cartridges that exceed the quality of most turntables reviewed here.
Hardly consider Debut Carbon EVO "the best turntable you can get". It's a nice entry level table. But if your getting serious about vinyl - I'd save up and look at just under the $2kUSD price point - maybe something like the Marantz TT-15S1 (made by Clearaudio in Germany). It's a good value and comes with a ~$850 cartridge. It's a TT that will continue to grow with you through your audiophile journey.
Yeah. agreed 100%! I have the Debut Carbon Evo and it’s great. It‘s definitely a top “value” TT, but far from the best you can buy. To get a substantial step up, you either need to replace the cartridge or spend at least twice as much. That said if you already have the $1500+, there are many superior options out there.
$2K is too much for someone dipping their toe into vinyl. I believe the Debut EVO would support up to a $500-750 cartridge(Hana SL?). If your looking for something more, the Price Tag is close to $5000(new) including a comparable cartridge.
Bluetooth versions of everything usually have much better pre-amps. Which means that you usually don't need to upgrade the cartridge, no matter how crappy it is. And you don't even have that option anyway, with an LP 60. Now that I think of it, go with an LP3BT. It's a much better turntable and it's only about 50 bucks more.
@@efandmk3382 hi there I was thinking of buying the audio Technica record deck with Bluetooth but you’ve mentioned another version LP 3B is that also manufactured by audio Technica???
The Project Debut Carbon Evo is clearly a very, very good turntable for its price, but you can't call it "the best turntable in the world", in any case this thing is clearly one of the best turntables in its price range.
People seem to confuse "and it still works" with "Great Sound". Like 90s Oldsmobile Cutlass as a spare car that still runs(poorly) as a Great car. Certainly it's different than an English/Italian sports car that you have to fix, before you drive it on the weekends. But which one gives you a better "driving experience"? People who think $500 vintage turntable, or electronics, or speakers is state-of-the-art, believe a Fiat 500 is the best, because for the first 36,000 miles, it's the same as a "Lexus".
There is a lot of truth here but there are some exceptions and contexts to consider. Modern amps and speakers have certainly come a long way but to buy the stuff that mogs the good vintage stuff you are going to pay some very high prices. The top vintage gear, if found it great shape or restored, gives you excellent results for much less money if you shop right. There are rare or ridiculously hyped vintage pieces that cost as much as the good modern stuff but thats what I mean by shop right.
@@SaintKines--"top vintage gear, restored, gives you excellent results for much less money" ..."Recent" used gear, gives you Better results than restored vintage gear, for much less money.
@@SaintKines: What "Top" vintage amp could you buy AND have rebuilt for $700? $1000-1200 Used. Odyssey Khartago Stereo Extreme SE(130WPC). It's the Lower priced line from Soulution(Switzerland) that are $50,000-175,000.
@@SaintKines--I just thought of one that I think is Vintage(1985). When you say "vintage", perhaps you mean 60s & early 70s. Modern to me means since 2010-2015. It's a lot cheaper(probably needs new Capacitors, not that expensive to replace) Adcom 545(not the 545ii, meaning Mark 2). 100 WPC for about $250. There is a lot of good stuff in the early/mid 90s, but to me that's Vintage, and may need some minor work to make them sound right.
It is not. Anyone looking to extract decent sound from their records should at least look at Rega turntables which are built on engineering principles to deliver the best sound at different price points. They also have amazing arms built in-house by Rega that can be dismounted and used on more expensive turntables if upgrading in the future. These great turntables can be demoed in decent hi-fi shops and are NOT a disposable consumer commodity to be purchased unlistened to, for the ignoranti as the commentator would have you think. Do your self a favour and bring your records to a good hi-fi shop for an pre-arranged demo, where you can compare and contrast how decent turntables sound, and maybe add an el-cheapo expensive plastic toy like most of these in the video just for fun. I am not pushing Rega as such. I am just writing that listening to folks who do NOT recommend listening to a turntable before buying is foolish, and that the commentator is clueless and wilfully misleading people.
@@mauricegold9377is the LP60X good and do I really need bluetooth speakers? Ive done some googling and watched a couple videos and LP60X seems to be recommended to people for their first buy. Im not sure if I also need to buy speakers tho
I bought and refurbed an AR ES-1 table (1980s).....I cant imagine for a lower to mid priced system having anything more one would need...plus it has a 3 point suspension most of todays table are missing(acoustical isolation)..very important!
Hey. thanks for this review. I've just bought the Debut Carbon Ebvo and need some guidance if you will please? I'm looking for a good pre-amp and set of speakers to go with my new turntable but I'm finding it all confusing. I'm no audiophile, so I know little about this side. can you recommend anything for me? My turntable is currently sitting in its box and I really want to get it up and running. I'd also like Bluetooth functionality too so I can connect my TV. Any help is appreciated. thanks.
If you dont have an amp or reciever then you will need power speakers and a phono preamp if your TT doesn't have one built in. If you do have an amp or receiver it may have a phono pre amp built in. If it doesn't then you will need the external phono preamp again if your TT doesn't have one on it. With an amp/receiver you would go with passive speakers.
You compared Fluance low end turntable, that cost half as much as the one you picked. Put the RT-85 which is closer in price to your favorite selection.
Pioneer PLX-500 is/was my choice when I made purchase after reviewing pretty many debuts/videos/articles about record players prior to making decision, just couple of months ago, and experienced no regret at all later on (AT-LP120X was the other option acc to my preference). Upgraded cartridge to Ortofon 2M Blue btw, however stock cartridge is too a good one i.e. not necessary unless you would like to digitize your records. Highly recommend. Thanks for the video & Great work.. 👍
I’m at the crossroads myself with the turntable you mentioned, and the one you own can I ask you why did you eventually choose the Pioneer over the Audio Technica? I asked because the added features outweigh those with the pioneer would it be because the quality of the Pioneer deck is superior?
@@richmck007 Both are pretty similar on paper when it comes to the features, but as you said, built quality is better on PLX-500, at least to my liking/feeling, none of them close to Technics though. I bought it for home use, since it is a DJ turntable - hence for scratching - it is not even equipped with auto-stop function (not sure if AT variant does that), maybe that can be the only concern for me but again I chose that knowingly, after reading pretty many reviews and user opinions.
The best would be to find a good Hitachi, Toshiba, sansui or sony vintage direct drive turntable that will be older, but better quality by a lot, and save your money to buy a good cartridge, there's good quality moving magnet cartridges on the market, and if you want even more, you can always buy an entry level moving coil cartridge. It will make a huge difference. Not buy plastic junk. Edit: the audio technica SL-1200 imitation is way lighter than the real one, it's not a copy. The Tonearm isn't the same either.
@@ocularcavity8412 I agree completely. This video is dangerous for those who do not realise that they can go to a decent hi-fi store and get a demo of turntables BEFORE they buy. If they do this, they would not be influenced by nasty YT channel folks peddling lies, and get a decent turntable for their precious vinyl. What is more, more expensive cartridges help preserve the music in the grooves, as the stylus is more finely cut and polished, this doing less damage, and the arm will not be jumping around whenever there are footfalls in the room.
Completely new to this world, found an unopened Audio Technica LP120xUSB for $125 at a garage sale. How MUCH of an upgrade is the Pro-Ject Debut? Should I try to sell the one I got for as much of a profit as possible and then use that to buy the Pro-Ject? Not sure what to do. (I don't have pools of money lying around, but if there are serious benefits, I will gladly dip into other funds to get it.
I have 3, a Crosley Cruiser , a Technics sl-b2 and a Audio Technica at-lp120-usb. I use the Audio Technica all the time. I know the Crosley Cruiser is a blah player, But I use it for thrift store find records and some 78 rpm records.
I noticed that with the number one turntable, you didn’t mention the fact that it also has a pitch control the same as your number two turntable. Those two factors are important selling points not just the look of the turntable. I also noticed that the number one choice was built driven, but you did not say that, I think really that’s something that is a factor as well when looking at a turntable for example, Home use perfect , but DJ’s do not use belt driven as it is not perfect. In general. Your review was very very good but you left out quite a few details which I feel are factors when deciding which turntable to buy.
I would say my Pioneer PL518 Direct Drive beats every TT in this video. I bought it used a number of years ago and only have about $400 in it. I have multiple cartridges & headshells that I switch out regularly.
I had a question about a few different options for TTs. I am currently between the Audio Technica LP60x, Audio Technica LP3, and the Fluance RT81+ as I am a beginner and am not looking for something to completely break the bank. I understand most of the differences in these I would say but was wondering what you would suggest if you were to buy one starting from scratch.
Sorry for the late reply. The Fluence RT81+($250 new, I would NOT spend less) seems to be the best for the money by Much higher-regarded reviewers(Michael Fremer reviews & owns multi-$100K tables). It even has Fremer's best-liked under $50, Audio Technic AT-95 cartridge(stylus/needle) for someone who reviews $10-15K cartridges. It has an Auto Lift at the end of the record, that beginners desperately need("but, but it doesn't reset to the armrest. Oh the Humanity!"). In a few years, trade up to Ortofon Red cartridge($100), universally well-regarded in higher-end circles. The Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo is an Excellent table, but NO-where near "undoubtedly, one of the best tables on the Planet!". The Pro-Ject T1 is the other recommendation, but it's Double the price. A better use of your money would be the Fluence, AND an $80 Spin-Clean(90% of the viewers here, don't have a cleaner. They may have a Discwasher wet brush that they don't use) and $10 Carbon Fiber dust brush before Every playing(Essential!). That saves your records(imbedded dust ticks) and stylus! And put your records back in the jacket with the dust sleeve, Immediately. Vinyl is Labor-Intensive. Get used to it.
I’m interested to hear what you have to say as to why you believe that, I ask because I also would like to buy the Audio Technica 120 XUSB but from what I understand the materials are quite cheap, so I’m hoping that this turntable sounds better how it looks
I go on to don't understand what kind of sense has the bluetooth connection in a turntable: if you prefer the analogic sound of the vinyls, is simply absurd convert it in digital format (overall with a limited bitrate, as bluetooth does not support high rates) to send it to the loudspeakers; at that point is more worth listen the music from a cd or stream.
Please please do not buy anything based on this video. Instead book a demo with a hi-fi shop so you can hear a couple of turntables, and bring along your records. Ignore this type of video. It just encourages you to waste your money, and you will never know how a decent inexpensive turntable can sound. So go for that demo. You won't be sorry. I would suggest listening to Pro-ject turntables, and better yet some of the Rega ones Rega Planar 1 Planar 3 and so on, depending on your budget. They will all sound much better than the abysmal plastic junk in the video.
The Audio Technica Technics SL copy is not too bad. All that bluetooth und USB crap... Build in cheap amplifiers... Who really needs this? I still prefer the original. The Technics SL MK7 (not listed here) is a very fine turntable. It is amazingly accurate in terms of speed, dead silent in terms of rumble and motion noise, very sturdy and reliable und easy to configure. That is what it´s all about. The highest quality for money. A Rega Planar is also a good choice. Buy a good preamp like the Pro-Ject Tube Box S2 with some Gold Lions and then the magic happens. It´s fine that not eryone has the budget or the demand to go high fidelity. But if you really want to "experience" your collection you should consider it.
Found a Technics sl q300 for 40 dollars on FB marketplace. Its not even one of the good vintage automatics compared to the top line but after lubricating the auto lift a little its running perfect and has been going strong for over a year. Came with a decent cart and stylus too.
@@cutthroat2880 Two things here to compare: convenience and sound-quality. If you want good sound, then all the bells and whistles on an automatic deck will ruin the sound. So with that said, good sound basically requires that you sacrifice the plastic trash bits that move the arm around, and start focussing on the engineering fundamentals that a good arm, cartridge and turntable will bring. Your records will be preserved longer, and your music will sound much better. I recommend you arrange a turntable demo at a good hi-fi store, and bring some records along. I bet you will be surprised. Let the hi-fi store recommend a turntable for you. They might likely permit a comparison with two or more turntables. So if you just want to close your eyes and ears and throw money at a plastic toy turntable as per this video, you will be wasting it.
I own two 1210 MKII, Philips 877 and the Audio Technica AT-LP120X. The cartridge on the AT is Great straight from the box. Not to mention it does a great job digitizing Albums for Archiving. I had the Pioneer PLX-500 but sold it due to the fact the RCA are built in, which is a bad idea from the manufacture. Overall the AT was a better purchase due to the options, sound quality and Great cartridge.
As long Bluetooth are not AptX HD , we cannot talk about Hi-Fi by wireless. I don't understand why they make audio tools targeted for audio quality without Hi-Res Bluetooth, they use a cheap SBC codec bluetooth but put a big sticker V5.2 and they ask a high price. And about new and old turntables? In my opinion even with a new turntable you can have similar or better experience than old turntables: because sound systems! Yeah, nowadays there are much more advanced sound systems, and more accessible as price. Hater gonna hate it, but if we talk about inversive sound, maybe you didn't hear Atmos Music on a IMAX Certificate sound system. Is like in video we compare Color CRT TV with Dolby Vision 4K miniOLED techology... I understand the nostalgia, i have it too, but we have to be open and deal with the progress, learn how and wich part to enjoy it.
In all honesty, all the new turntables are crap. I've had four in the last 2 years. Thank goodness I bought the protection plans. They have design flaws, and most turntable brands utilize the same defective components because they are all assembled in the same Chinese factory. If you have one that's worked out for you, you've won the lottery. I'm finished. Now, I'm looking for a vintage turntable that is cosmetically acceptable and restorable. And made in Europe or Japan.
Look at Rega and other turntables. Built in the UK. Get a demo in a hi-fi shop, and bring your records to play. I bet you'll be blown away. Disregard the nonsense in this video.
Very true. I have a BT option on my turntable. It is wired to my amp but I use wireless headphones. There is quite a degradation in sound quality when comparing the headphones to the speakers. And they aren't cheap headphones.
True, only because producers play unfair. They use the old SBC codec knowing there is AptX HD codec for bluetooth who offers Hi-Res quality, but they don't want to pay for Qualcomm cipsets, because.. profit...but they ask a lot of money for those turntables... I have 2 modules Tx/Rx and it's a big difference between inbuild or modules, and no difference between analog cable or AptX HD modules. rx connects optical to my sound system. AptX HD or better not that all.
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► 6. Audio-Technica AT-LP60XBT - geni.us/yrbb
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► 4. Sony PS-LX310BT - geni.us/NK9wg4
► 3. Denon DP-300F - geni.us/BpnaDJ
► 2. Audio-Technica AT-LP120XBT-USB - geni.us/nRnp
► 1. Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo - geni.us/rIki9qA
I own a Technics 1200 Mk II direct drive turntable and have had it since 1986. Bought it brand new for $299.00. The turntable still works fine.
I have the exact same model but it's the SL-1210 mkII. The only difference is that it's charcoal/black. I bought 2 of them from a nightclub that was closing. I like it à lot. I gave the other one, which was a SL-1200 mkII to my daughter who also appreciate good music and equipment. The only thing is that I upgraded both the cartridge with ortophon blue. I love them and I don't see why I would buy another one. They're good enough for me. The cartridge make a huge difference. It was equipped with the sure sc35.
$299? I’m pretty sure I paid double that for mine in 86. Still got it. It’s a tank and survived being moved all across the U.S. & Europe
Most people understand that a good turntable needs a good cartridge but many people forget that a really good phono stage brings the music to life and brings out so many details. It the same thing as how people forget that a good cd transport needs a great dac with holographic sound, (not some delta sigma dac) in order to have an immersive experience. And never use blue tooth, it compresses the sound.
Ah! gone other days of good decent hi-fi-you certainly know your stuff
what phono stage should i buy?
@@Soloaudiophiling It depends on your price range. I'm not rich so I generally like the Cambridge Audio or Rega models, which are mid-priced. I'd stay away from any of the newer Chinese brands that go for under $150 though. I've heard a few and they don't compare to what you can get for a bit more money. You don't have to pay a ton of money to beat what is in your amp/receiver. I like Cambridge Audio stages because they have more warmth and open stage presence but the Rega had more punch, dynamics and seem quicker. I'd recommend buying from a site where you can return it if you don't like the sound of that particular model.
@@Soloaudiophiling--Schiit Mani: $130. To get something better, you have to spend $500+
So what to get? Should I go on eBay!? I currently have one that was gifted to me an audiotronics. Keep it or get something new? I do need to replace the needle and the sound is okay, I think it could be richer however, could be the needle!? Help please
I personally think you should have included the RT-85 with 3 feet, Ortofon 2m blue cart , acrylic platter and removable head shell for easy of changing cartridges....I have the rt-85 and it will be the last I buy
I purchased the Fluance Rt 81 and it's a VERY good turntable. I'm 100% satisfied!!! Def zero buyers remorse. Such a great sounding unit. 😊
Thank you!
I was considering the Fluance but a few others too...
I will go w/the Fluance
How much?
@@eldesgraciado6690 I bought my Rt81 new/sealed from a stereo dealer on eBay for $250. I also bought a new Sony reciever off eBay For $150. I already had Sony front speakers as well as a subwoofer. I only play vintage Vinyl records and it all sounds very good with my setup. I finally justed pulled the trigger and bought them, I'm very happy and it sounds great for the prices I paid. 👍
The Denon DP-300F hums at higher volumes and has a problem with taller carts. I followed it with a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon, Clear Audio Concept, Pro-Ject Classic, Pro-Ject Xtension 9 S, Rega Planar 3, Planar 6 and lastly the RP 10. No major complaints about any except the Denon.
An interesting TT journey my friend 👌
Jim🏴🙂
Holy shit, a $7000 turntable? Good GOD
is this one good too? : Audio-Technica AT-LP3XBT (i use 2 Marshall Stanmore II BT speakers in paired mode) i want to stay with the BT speakers.
I have AT-LP120XBT-USB turntable this is very good in quality and arranging the sound.Thanks Audio technica.
For anyone who is thinking about the Sony lx310bt, please choose a different turntable. It has the weakest Bluetooth connection, making my senheiser 450 sound like I am failing a hearing test. Also, after 3 months, the turntable also stopped giving power to my speakers. Sony refuses to give me my money back. It is now the most expensive paperweight in my house.
I've had the Denon DP-300f for a few years now and it works great. Having a counterweight and dustcover were must-haves for me and the automatic tonearm is so convenient. Would definitely recommend.
I agree, love mine. Upgraded to a ortofon Bronze cart and that took it to another level all together/
I have this turntable, and I’m happy with it one major feature I wanted was it being fully automated
I went to turntable lab and they were sold out. I’m hoping they stock them soon. I’m looking to buy my first tt.
I still use my Pro-Ject Perspex magnetic suspension Turntable fitted with a Hancock unipivot tonearm and Denon moving coil cartridge.
I put a Orthofon 2M Red pickup+needle on my Denon dp300. Really completes the package for high end playing at only 400 eur in total.
Ortofon 2M Red for $100. Great cartridge for the money. But "high end playing"?
Obviously, I rely mostly on COMPACT DISC. 📀 But for the few vinyl LPs I have, I use the VIBE SOUND.
Technics is strong and sounds great and awesome I've had a set of 1200s for over 35 years with otophone cartridges.never let me down
Mine is the Fluance RT-85T. I enjoy it very much.
It's the needle and cartridge that makes for a good sound as long as the turntable is quiet & speed accurate. Most good quality used old school turntables can be found at a very cheap price. Best of all, most can be fitted with cartridges that exceed the quality of most turntables reviewed here.
My Pioneer518 & Technics J33 still work after decades.
Rega Planer 1 should be on your list.
at least it was mentioned but a real step up would come form the planar 3. Although above price range appears to have y tad lower.
You should have titled this "best budget turntables 2023"
Best plastic junk turntables 2023 plus the last one.
@@mauricegold9377 except of fluance maybe
Rubbish !
@@mharrison557ur so white 😂
Not everyone is an audiophile like you guys. Some people can only afford a $300-$500 record player in the moment until they save up for a whole
Hardly consider Debut Carbon EVO "the best turntable you can get". It's a nice entry level table. But if your getting serious about vinyl - I'd save up and look at just under the $2kUSD price point - maybe something like the Marantz TT-15S1 (made by Clearaudio in Germany). It's a good value and comes with a ~$850 cartridge. It's a TT that will continue to grow with you through your audiophile journey.
Yeah. agreed 100%! I have the Debut Carbon Evo and it’s great. It‘s definitely a top “value” TT, but far from the best you can buy. To get a substantial step up, you either need to replace the cartridge or spend at least twice as much. That said if you already have the $1500+, there are many superior options out there.
Modern overrated cheaply made rubbish
$2K is too much for someone dipping their toe into vinyl. I believe the Debut EVO would support up to a $500-750 cartridge(Hana SL?). If your looking for something more, the Price Tag is close to $5000(new) including a comparable cartridge.
Technics SL 1200 MK2...the best turntable ever...the rest are just substitutes😎
is there a different between the audio technica lp60x and the bluetooth version? which one would you prefer?
Bluetooth versions of everything usually have much better pre-amps. Which means that you usually don't need to upgrade the cartridge, no matter how crappy it is. And you don't even have that option anyway, with an LP 60. Now that I think of it, go with an LP3BT. It's a much better turntable and it's only about 50 bucks more.
@@efandmk3382 hi there I was thinking of buying the audio Technica record deck with Bluetooth but you’ve mentioned another version LP 3B is that also manufactured by audio Technica???
This was trying to sell pro-ject while fluance got like a noble mention right before number one was announced
Great presentation. Clear, concise, to the point. Thanks!
Great review leaning to the Carbon Evo
The Project Debut Carbon Evo is clearly a very, very good turntable for its price, but you can't call it "the best turntable in the world", in any case this thing is clearly one of the best turntables in its price range.
After 42 years, I will replace my still functional DUAL CS 607 with the DUAL CS 518. Once a DUAL, always a DUAL...
Very good! I have allways admired german engineering!
@@GeirRssaak me too! I would be a german engineering when I were a chirld
People seem to confuse "and it still works" with "Great Sound". Like 90s Oldsmobile Cutlass as a spare car that still runs(poorly) as a Great car.
Certainly it's different than an English/Italian sports car that you have to fix, before you drive it on the weekends. But which one gives you a better "driving experience"?
People who think $500 vintage turntable, or electronics, or speakers is state-of-the-art, believe a Fiat 500 is the best, because for the first 36,000 miles, it's the same as a "Lexus".
There is a lot of truth here but there are some exceptions and contexts to consider.
Modern amps and speakers have certainly come a long way but to buy the stuff that mogs the good vintage stuff you are going to pay some very high prices.
The top vintage gear, if found it great shape or restored, gives you excellent results for much less money if you shop right.
There are rare or ridiculously hyped vintage pieces that cost as much as the good modern stuff but thats what I mean by shop right.
@@SaintKines--"top vintage gear, restored, gives you excellent results for much less money" ..."Recent" used gear, gives you Better results than restored vintage gear, for much less money.
@ronmcmartin4513 do you have an example? What's a modern 100 watt amp that's better than top vintage gear that can be had for 700 or less?
@@SaintKines: What "Top" vintage amp could you buy AND have rebuilt for $700?
$1000-1200 Used. Odyssey Khartago Stereo Extreme SE(130WPC). It's the Lower priced line from Soulution(Switzerland) that are $50,000-175,000.
@@SaintKines--I just thought of one that I think is Vintage(1985). When you say "vintage", perhaps you mean 60s & early 70s. Modern to me means since 2010-2015.
It's a lot cheaper(probably needs new Capacitors, not that expensive to replace)
Adcom 545(not the 545ii, meaning Mark 2). 100 WPC for about $250.
There is a lot of good stuff in the early/mid 90s, but to me that's Vintage, and may need some minor work to make them sound right.
what catridge and arm to upgrade for the project carbon evo?
The best budget turntable ?
Audio Technica AT-LP5X !! 👍👍
I have an Audio Technics 140x... The Start and Stop button has problems sometimes.... But it tracks the record good. Hope it Last a While.....
An extremely helpful primer to turntables.
It is not. Anyone looking to extract decent sound from their records should at least look at Rega turntables which are built on engineering principles to deliver the best sound at different price points. They also have amazing arms built in-house by Rega that can be dismounted and used on more expensive turntables if upgrading in the future. These great turntables can be demoed in decent hi-fi shops and are NOT a disposable consumer commodity to be purchased unlistened to, for the ignoranti as the commentator would have you think.
Do your self a favour and bring your records to a good hi-fi shop for an pre-arranged demo, where you can compare and contrast how decent turntables sound, and maybe add an el-cheapo expensive plastic toy like most of these in the video just for fun. I am not pushing Rega as such. I am just writing that listening to folks who do NOT recommend listening to a turntable before buying is foolish, and that the commentator is clueless and wilfully misleading people.
@@mauricegold9377u seem to know alot about it, so which one would you recommend? A not too expensive, good record player?
@@mauricegold9377is the LP60X good and do I really need bluetooth speakers? Ive done some googling and watched a couple videos and LP60X seems to be recommended to people for their first buy. Im not sure if I also need to buy speakers tho
I bought and refurbed an AR ES-1 table (1980s).....I cant imagine for a lower to mid priced system having anything more one would need...plus it has a 3 point suspension most of todays table are missing(acoustical isolation)..very important!
Hey. thanks for this review. I've just bought the Debut Carbon Ebvo and need some guidance if you will please? I'm looking for a good pre-amp and set of speakers to go with my new turntable but I'm finding it all confusing. I'm no audiophile, so I know little about this side. can you recommend anything for me? My turntable is currently sitting in its box and I really want to get it up and running. I'd also like Bluetooth functionality too so I can connect my TV. Any help is appreciated. thanks.
If you dont have an amp or reciever then you will need power speakers and a phono preamp if your TT doesn't have one built in.
If you do have an amp or receiver it may have a phono pre amp built in. If it doesn't then you will need the external phono preamp again if your TT doesn't have one on it.
With an amp/receiver you would go with passive speakers.
I'll stick to my good old SL-5300 built as a rock and still does his turns after all these years.
You compared Fluance low end turntable, that cost half as much as the one you picked. Put the RT-85 which is closer in price to your favorite selection.
Pioneer PLX-500 is/was my choice when I made purchase after reviewing pretty many debuts/videos/articles about record players prior to making decision, just couple of months ago, and experienced no regret at all later on (AT-LP120X was the other option acc to my preference). Upgraded cartridge to Ortofon 2M Blue btw, however stock cartridge is too a good one i.e. not necessary unless you would like to digitize your records. Highly recommend. Thanks for the video & Great work.. 👍
I’m at the crossroads myself with the turntable you mentioned, and the one you own can I ask you why did you eventually choose the Pioneer over the Audio Technica? I asked because the added features outweigh those with the pioneer would it be because the quality of the Pioneer deck is superior?
@@richmck007 Both are pretty similar on paper when it comes to the features, but as you said, built quality is better on PLX-500, at least to my liking/feeling, none of them close to Technics though. I bought it for home use, since it is a DJ turntable - hence for scratching - it is not even equipped with auto-stop function (not sure if AT variant does that), maybe that can be the only concern for me but again I chose that knowingly, after reading pretty many reviews and user opinions.
Speaker recommendations to pair a carbon debut evo?
What speakers would you buy for the carbon eco?
Audio Technica LP120 #2 and no mention of Fluance RT-85?
RT85 is superior quality and not a single word about it.
The best would be to find a good Hitachi, Toshiba, sansui or sony vintage direct drive turntable that will be older, but better quality by a lot, and save your money to buy a good cartridge, there's good quality moving magnet cartridges on the market, and if you want even more, you can always buy an entry level moving coil cartridge. It will make a huge difference. Not buy plastic junk.
Edit: the audio technica SL-1200 imitation is way lighter than the real one, it's not a copy. The Tonearm isn't the same either.
it's a very good presentation! I love it so much! let know more turntable imformation
was curious about not seeing the Rega P1 on your list this time
@@ocularcavity8412 I agree completely. This video is dangerous for those who do not realise that they can go to a decent hi-fi store and get a demo of turntables BEFORE they buy. If they do this, they would not be influenced by nasty YT channel folks peddling lies, and get a decent turntable for their precious vinyl. What is more, more expensive cartridges help preserve the music in the grooves, as the stylus is more finely cut and polished, this doing less damage, and the arm will not be jumping around whenever there are footfalls in the room.
@@ocularcavity8412which one do u recommend
Completely new to this world, found an unopened Audio Technica LP120xUSB for $125 at a garage sale. How MUCH of an upgrade is the Pro-Ject Debut? Should I try to sell the one I got for as much of a profit as possible and then use that to buy the Pro-Ject? Not sure what to do. (I don't have pools of money lying around, but if there are serious benefits, I will gladly dip into other funds to get it.
I have 3, a Crosley Cruiser , a Technics sl-b2 and a Audio Technica at-lp120-usb. I use the Audio Technica all the time. I know the Crosley Cruiser is a blah player, But I use it for thrift store find records and some 78 rpm records.
I noticed that with the number one turntable, you didn’t mention the fact that it also has a pitch control the same as your number two turntable. Those two factors are important selling points not just the look of the turntable. I also noticed that the number one choice was built driven, but you did not say that, I think really that’s something that is a factor as well when looking at a turntable for example, Home use perfect , but DJ’s do not use belt driven as it is not perfect. In general. Your review was very very good but you left out quite a few details which I feel are factors when deciding which turntable to buy.
I’ve a Rega RP1, and it’s so minimalistic and good record player, I’m looking forward to upgrade my turntable. Thanks for your help! (:
Can i get any of this LISTin the UK?
if not why not say this is for thr US Market?
I'll go with the Sony 👍
I would say my Pioneer PL518 Direct Drive beats every TT in this video. I bought it used a number of years ago and only have about $400 in it. I have multiple cartridges & headshells that I switch out regularly.
Each time I saw a side shot of an LP record, it was filthy, and I cringed when they set the stylus down on it! D:
Has anyone tried the Teac TN5BB? I have an entry level Teac with BT connectivity, and was looking to upgrade, Any opinion?
Best Turntable , ? , oh my God , the Ion !👏
Technics. Unbeatable to this day.
Unbeatable?
I had a question about a few different options for TTs. I am currently between the Audio Technica LP60x, Audio Technica LP3, and the Fluance RT81+ as I am a beginner and am not looking for something to completely break the bank. I understand most of the differences in these I would say but was wondering what you would suggest if you were to buy one starting from scratch.
Sorry for the late reply. The Fluence RT81+($250 new, I would NOT spend less) seems to be the best for the money by Much higher-regarded reviewers(Michael Fremer reviews & owns multi-$100K tables). It even has Fremer's best-liked under $50, Audio Technic AT-95 cartridge(stylus/needle) for someone who reviews $10-15K cartridges. It has an Auto Lift at the end of the record, that beginners desperately need("but, but it doesn't reset to the armrest. Oh the Humanity!"). In a few years, trade up to Ortofon Red cartridge($100), universally well-regarded in higher-end circles. The Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo is an Excellent table, but NO-where near "undoubtedly, one of the best tables on the Planet!".
The Pro-Ject T1 is the other recommendation, but it's Double the price. A better use of your money would be the Fluence, AND an $80 Spin-Clean(90% of the viewers here, don't have a cleaner. They may have a Discwasher wet brush that they don't use) and $10 Carbon Fiber dust brush before Every playing(Essential!). That saves your records(imbedded dust ticks) and stylus! And put your records back in the jacket with the dust sleeve, Immediately. Vinyl is Labor-Intensive. Get used to it.
I own a Technics MK II Direct drive turntable. I've had it since 1986 and it still works great.
Who wins? Any turntable made before 1995
The #2 AT-120XUSB with an Ortofon 2M Blue and a Uturn Pluto2 Phono Preamp will out perform any of these tables on or off this list.
I’m interested to hear what you have to say as to why you believe that, I ask because I also would like to buy the Audio Technica 120 XUSB but from what I understand the materials are quite cheap, so I’m hoping that this turntable sounds better how it looks
I go on to don't understand what kind of sense has the bluetooth connection in a turntable: if you prefer the analogic sound of the vinyls, is simply absurd convert it in digital format (overall with a limited bitrate, as bluetooth does not support high rates) to send it to the loudspeakers; at that point is more worth listen the music from a cd or stream.
So what should i buy for my first one
Please please do not buy anything based on this video. Instead book a demo with a hi-fi shop so you can hear a couple of turntables, and bring along your records. Ignore this type of video. It just encourages you to waste your money, and you will never know how a decent inexpensive turntable can sound. So go for that demo. You won't be sorry. I would suggest listening to Pro-ject turntables, and better yet some of the Rega ones Rega Planar 1 Planar 3 and so on, depending on your budget. They will all sound much better than the abysmal plastic junk in the video.
If you are serious about your sound maybe you should clean those discs before you drop the needle on them? Those things were nasty!
We never called it vinyl back in the day. We called them records. Vinyl is what you put on your bathroom floor.
or LP
One and only... Technics sl-1200nk2 :)
Not a bad choice.
What about LENCO LS-410WA
Why did that needle jump all over the place on the audio technica !????😅😅😅
Like the project pro with excellent sumiko Ranier cartridge nothing better for a grand
Why is there no wooden based Turntables?
Never buying another Denon product due to the stereo I bought by them being a lemon. Sony are not what they used to be.
I think you should try to use the turntable on the left of the intro tile image! Obviously reversed by somebody young!
The Audio Technica Technics SL copy is not too bad. All that bluetooth und USB crap... Build in cheap amplifiers... Who really needs this? I still prefer the original. The Technics SL MK7 (not listed here) is a very fine turntable. It is amazingly accurate in terms of speed, dead silent in terms of rumble and motion noise, very sturdy and reliable und easy to configure. That is what it´s all about. The highest quality for money. A Rega Planar is also a good choice. Buy a good preamp like the Pro-Ject Tube Box S2 with some Gold Lions and then the magic happens. It´s fine that not eryone has the budget or the demand to go high fidelity. But if you really want to "experience" your collection you should consider it.
I prefer the old automatic record players. You can just leave it to change records instead of having to get up and keep changing them.
Found a Technics sl q300 for 40 dollars on FB marketplace.
Its not even one of the good vintage automatics compared to the top line but after lubricating the auto lift a little its running perfect and has been going strong for over a year.
Came with a decent cart and stylus too.
You should buy a vintage turntable for less then half the prices and still have a better sound.
What do you think about the Sony ps-242 automatic turntable ?
@@cutthroat2880 Two things here to compare: convenience and sound-quality. If you want good sound, then all the bells and whistles on an automatic deck will ruin the sound.
So with that said, good sound basically requires that you sacrifice the plastic trash bits that move the arm around, and start focussing on the engineering fundamentals that a good arm, cartridge and turntable will bring. Your records will be preserved longer, and your music will sound much better. I recommend you arrange a turntable demo at a good hi-fi store, and bring some records along. I bet you will be surprised. Let the hi-fi store recommend a turntable for you. They might likely permit a comparison with two or more turntables. So if you just want to close your eyes and ears and throw money at a plastic toy turntable as per this video, you will be wasting it.
I own two 1210 MKII, Philips 877 and the Audio Technica AT-LP120X. The cartridge on the AT is Great straight from the box. Not to mention it does a great job digitizing Albums for Archiving.
I had the Pioneer PLX-500 but sold it due to the fact the RCA are built in, which is a bad idea from the manufacture. Overall the AT was a better purchase due to the options, sound quality and Great cartridge.
Dual CS618q best ever.
A rega p1 blows all them away with a descent cartridge
They doubled the cost of the Sony LX310BT to $400 now lol. Not worth it at that price
You totally missed all the really good turntables . Unfortunately good turntables cost a lot of money .
skip to 1:30
It’s sad that when I was a kid (I’m 37). The generic store brand units had auto return.
Good
No one has ever mentioned the MoFi Studiodeck. That's high quality.
Or better yet, the Ultradeck, both far superior to any of these.
@@pnichols6500 far more superior and far more expensive, this is clearly beginner grade turntables
@@pnichols6500 No doubt! Looking into switching to the Ultradeck in the future.
As long Bluetooth are not AptX HD , we cannot talk about Hi-Fi by wireless. I don't understand why they make audio tools targeted for audio quality without Hi-Res Bluetooth, they use a cheap SBC codec bluetooth but put a big sticker V5.2 and they ask a high price.
And about new and old turntables?
In my opinion even with a new turntable you can have similar or better experience than old turntables: because sound systems! Yeah, nowadays there are much more advanced sound systems, and more accessible as price. Hater gonna hate it, but if we talk about inversive sound, maybe you didn't hear Atmos Music on a IMAX Certificate sound system.
Is like in video we compare Color CRT TV with Dolby Vision 4K miniOLED techology...
I understand the nostalgia, i have it too, but we have to be open and deal with the progress, learn how and wich part to enjoy it.
Denon best!
You totally ignored stanton and numark brands.... Same!
0:32 OMG don't play that dirty ass record lol.
What no Pioneer???
Anyone know if you can upgrade the cartridge or stylus on the denon dp 300f?
Yes. Try an ortofon red or blue cartridge.
Why are those records so dusty?
In all honesty, all the new turntables are crap. I've had four in the last 2 years. Thank goodness I bought the protection plans. They have design flaws, and most turntable brands utilize the same defective components because they are all assembled in the same Chinese factory. If you have one that's worked out for you, you've won the lottery. I'm finished. Now, I'm looking for a vintage turntable that is cosmetically acceptable and restorable. And made in Europe or Japan.
Look at Rega and other turntables. Built in the UK. Get a demo in a hi-fi shop, and bring your records to play. I bet you'll be blown away. Disregard the nonsense in this video.
I would wanna spend £100-200 Max, see no point in paying 1k even though I can afford it
Fluance gang right here
I'm looking for an accurate reproduction from a LP. Thats it. No less, No more!!!
Incredible that some new american tables do not have a stop function?!!
i dont know how you are but if you connect any turntables via BT then you shouldn't have it
Nope.
At the various price points.
Rega p1
Rega p3
Rega P6
Thank me later x
It's hard to take the video seriously when one of the top brands last 50 years is not included. Rega.
Rega is great if you live in Europe or love them enough to send your TT all the way there and back for repair.
Project evo
if you are looking to buy cheap turntable buy audio technica works for few months🤣
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Bluetooth is garbage. Don't buy vinyl if you plan on using bluetooth.
Very true. I have a BT option on my turntable. It is wired to my amp but I use wireless headphones. There is quite a degradation in sound quality when comparing the headphones to the speakers. And they aren't cheap headphones.
True, only because producers play unfair. They use the old SBC codec knowing there is AptX HD codec for bluetooth who offers Hi-Res quality, but they don't want to pay for Qualcomm cipsets, because.. profit...but they ask a lot of money for those turntables...
I have 2 modules Tx/Rx and it's a big difference between inbuild or modules, and no difference between analog cable or AptX HD modules. rx connects optical to my sound system.
AptX HD or better not that all.
Agreed 👍