I was laughing at these guys trying to convince the other why their bike was best. Just two totally different mindsets, riding styles, purpose. For me, Himalayan all the way!
@@brooks7845 If I could click a heart on this I would! Thanks so much! I'm working at it. Hopefully I get even better. Winter is here for me. F'n cold and frozen solid! Come spring I'll turn the Himalayan loose on Alaska! 🏍 Thanks again!
That's what made this show enjoyable. By the end it's clear which bike is better suited to purpose, style and mindset in riding. It's the same reason I've enjoyed watching your series. From them chatting to you documenting your ride I'm learning more and more about the bike.
Gees guys, tone down the music. It gets a bit tiring turning the volume up to hear the dialog only to have my eardrums blown out when the music comes on.
The Himalayan takes its design cues from the 70's. Given that, it will appeal to people who like that kind of retro/workhorse look. For others, its lack of contemporary design architecture won't appeal at all. So its appeal is subjective, so to argue it's better or worse on this basis is futile. But to debate them objectively is different. Which accelerates better, which has better handling, more reliable, better economy, better load carrying, better on road, better off road etc, easier to repair etc etc. Now that's a more rational debate based on facts..not emotions🤔
But,never go for baby GS adventure many Indian moto vloggers are unsatisfied with its performance,waste of money rather buy Himalayan for fun,half its price☺️
I love my Himalayan. I got one of the early ones here in the US and my only real wish would be for a 6th gear for freeway riding. Everything else has been great. I have the panniers installed and I'm getting a set of Rotopax for the front for gas and water. That'd give me about a 200 mi offroad range. 8)
Not as much as I would have liked to. We got a lot of rainfall during Sept & Oct and it's getting cold early, so I've got it winterized in the barn. I did thoroughly enjoy what I got to do with it, however.
Similar issue here. Lots of rain. Also I got slammed with an unusual amount of work. I'll get a couple more short rides in before winterizing. And next summer is going to be epic!
@@PeterKoperdan Himalayan went on to south america with argentina, chile peru etc... she had to fly home after the 2020 thing hit but that bike has been brilliant all around the world so far.
@@cresshead I would have to watch the whole series to be able to form an opinion about that. But my general comment means that simply going around the world is not a good benchmark of something, because great many bikes have done that, including scooters and possibly also mopeds. There are many bikes on the market and some of them have rock solid reliability, so they can be more reliable than new bikes even when bought used. Therefore, they are fair game to include in comparisons. I'd rather buy a notoriously reliable bike used, than unreliable bike new. There are other factors to consider regarding ADV bikes then their ability to march forward day after day. As I already mentioned, Vespas have been taken around the world. Engine performance and design is an important factor. Performance on highways is also to be considered and the vibrations the engine produces. Some engines make for a much less comfortable ride. And comfort is extremely important on long trips. Comfort is hugely influenced by suspension. I'm not an expert, but people say that Himalayan has some important issues that should be taken into account. I may be mistaken, but I think that Itchy Boots is not a veteran rider, so she most likely can't assess her bike very well. From her perspective it does the trick and isn't BAD, therefore it's great. Some people also aren't very picky and she may be one of them. When you hear about her adventure and watch a few videos you may come to the conclusion, that Himalayan is awesome, because it allowed her to make the trip. But as I said before, Vespas were taken around the world.. Himalayan costs under $2500 in India if I'm not mistaken. That's a bargain and a no-brainer for many people! In my European country it costs around $5500. For that kind of money you can get many different bikes, both new and used.
Nice position to be in. I've been known to make a bad biking purchase and only find out later that everyone else already realised it was rubbish! (Not just with bikes.) Sometimes it takes courage to choose a less fashionable and quirkier bike rather than go for the safe choice. Have fun on the Himalayan, just as I'm having fun on my air cooled 48bhp Guzzi that most people wouldn't think of buying because it won't do 130mph.
Great videography. Unfortunately, it was difficult to hear what this whole thing was about. PLEASE learn to equalize your volume between dialog and music! I could barely hear the dialog - the important stuff - and was overwhelmed by the music.
I was tempted but after doing some research on the Himalayan I wouldn't have confidence in the clutch. Too many stories about the plate's dying, even itchy boots killed 2
@@8080408729a The price in the US for the GS 310 and the Himalayan is very close. The Price difference between the two is not even in the discussion. I would tend to the India Himalayan. More cc more torque. BMW lives not only in the Motorcycle market on the Brand name and the sign on the tank. I'll believe that BMW and also American brands that live on a Name will be passed on the right by smart Asien designs that make sense. Infrastructure is the key and BMW has no better Service stations than Royal Enfield. You ride in a town and you may find a BMW dealer but sorry, no motorcycle service. Bi9kes like that, 1 cyl dumper need to be easy to fix. I'll think that early 2000 are over. Volks looking for fewer electronics but more consistent reliability. Riding a Motorcycle have to be pour and simple, otherwise, I buy me an automatic scooter. Opinion off
@kev googlestein The Interceptor and the Continental GT are build by Madras Motors is Chennai India. They build Motorcycles under Royal Enfield license. The TVS 310 R and 310 GS are build by TVS Motor Comp. in Hosur and Tami Nadur India. They build Motorcycles under BMW license. Just in case you wanna know.
come on alloy wheels on adventure bike..? its not right! Himalayan 21 inch spoke wheels glides over almost anything. Its the most i like on my Himalayan and always it proves me right.
Nathan Milward, Itchy Boots and Karmakaze convinced me to buy a Himalayan, and I am extremely pleased. Like Nathan said, it's one of the best adventure bikes to come out in the last five years, and one that's hard to beat pound for pound.
Love the Himalayan, had a lot of fun riding it. My bike’s a Triumph tiger 1200 and I couldn’t replace it for the Himalayan since I’m still young so the weight isn’t an issue, but 100% would have it as a second bike. As long as you re program your brain for the power and don’t expect anything exciting you’ll be fine. I was very impressed, couldn’t fault the front brake on the one I rode?? Everyone says it’s bad but I really couldn’t criticise it, I guess there’s a bit of travel to get to the biting point but it stops very well, as long as you use both front and rear (which you always do anyway) then they’re fine. Handling on the road really surprised me, it was great, very nimble and goes round corners very well. Engine is torquey, 2nd is a great gear, accelerates quite spiritedly up to an easy 40 when pulling away, probably tops out around 45 so very useable. Riding position really comfy, standing position also great. Suspension Great at soaking up bumps and poor road surfaces, and doesn’t really wallow around in the corners even when riding fairly quickly Good wind protection, probably would want a bit more if you were cruising at 85 all day but you won’t because the bike won’t do it 😂 Will sit at 60 all day, had mine accelerating up to 70 up a hill so that’s pretty good. Very smooth engine, gets vibey when you rev it out for acceleration, but when cruising it’s fine It reminds me of my 125 days where you still had a lot of fun but not going very fast, it’s like 125++ because it’s got double the power. I forgot how fun and simple it was to ride a slow bike fast
I owned both at the same time. My Himmy was a 2021 and the 310 is a 2023. There were significant updates to the 310 in 2021. I sold my Himmy because it left me stranded 1100 miles from home. The dealer support in the US is not there at this point. The issue turned out to be a bad fuel pump so it was not that big a deal but I was in isolated areas where if it died completely it was serious. The 310 has a much higher build quality but it does need a few upgrades. A new rear spring is the most important. The suspension on the Himmy is very stiff to compensate for the low cost. The engines are completely different. The 411cc is slow revving and pleasant to ride. The 310 is much higher rpm and sporty in comparison. The 310 has about 12 more horsepower over the 411. I will be keeping my 310 and am planning many adventures for it including the western third of the Trans America Trail.
So if anyone trolls One bike over other as its Indian built. Then u be trolling urself as both Himalayan RE & BMW G310GS are built in India by TVS. PS: i prefer the himalayan, when u have to go to some really tough trails, slippery trails or travel over high mountains, himalayan gives constant power over rocks & in slopes, making it more reliable in dangerous situations, doesnt slip to the sides. Plus its built solid, not like some other plastic bikes, not saying G310GS as plastic bikes, but some others are. BMW G310GS is better on roads & highways Vs Himalayan hands down
Bro you might be right but have you tried mono. It's one heel of a machine. I was buying re Himalayan but one of my friend told me to take a test ride of mojo. And man that bike is insane. Feels like mini monster and tiger in one.
I am india i have driven my re Himalayan bs4 for about 4000 km Good part 411cc 24bhp 35+/- kmpl highway crusing Good seating comfort . Good ground clearance. Good bulit quality Good amount of speed max 140km ( vibration included) Priced below 2 lakhs Good enough suspension among these budgets Good throttle sounds Instrument cluster good With pretty informations Rider can stand while riding. Good enough brakes and tyres Not expecting abs etc for dual purpose bike Heat at legs on heavy traffic on sunny day Little harder gears and clutches Low lights Vibrating on high speeds. Electronic switchs bit low. Slow acceleration 0-100 in 10 to 11 secs.. Bad quality helmet offered by company.
Heating issue..?? Is your bike bs3 or bs4. Asking you as am planning for it. Had test rided it felt too good. One thing am suffering from lower back issues since many years. Discs are depleted, and am riding currently Avenger 200, with driver back support. Now switching to himalayan will it be an issue, as himalayan with driver back support dont know about it.
It needs1 more gear for the usa,highways here are faster than most places the torque is there for a 75 mph cruising speed at a lower rpm .when that's converted to kmph that seems high but that's what you need to stay ahead of the big trucks that can blow you off the road
Summed up pretty well but yeah on our highways you wanna do 130-140km/h easily in low rpm and easily/quickly accelerate to like 150km/h for smooth/quick overtaking aswell. (However, you can still ride decently and safely here managing only 100-120 km/h) But then again, that would probably make the Himalayan king of the ADV bikes I guess.
@@ronaldharris6569 Not sure. From other reports the handling isn't good at those speeds. Horses, courses. Looks better for round the world, not round America Check the Itchy Boots videos ... ruclips.net/video/BsdKwqc1040/видео.html
Excellent video guys! I think what this video proves is that each of us as motorcycle riders find ourselves drawn to a particular bike (or bikes) for different reasons. Therefore, we select our chosen mount based on a set of criteria that speaks to us; realizing that no bike is perfect: each model is some sort of compromise. Since both of these bikes seem to "push my buttons" I was interested to get the guys thoughts on them. Obviously, the BMW G310GS is better on the street (it's got 17" wheels and a street-biased suspension package, it's lighter and more nimble) and the Himalayan really comes into it's own when the going gets tougher (I would assume that it's not only better off-road, but on stretches of tarmac that have fallen into a state of disrepair; but since I haven't ridden one, I couldn't say for sure). As the owner of a 2017 Honda CRF250L Rally, my ears perked up when Nathan remarked that the little Honda starts to look pretty good now that he's ridden the BMW more (Nathan just became one of the smartest people in the world in my estimation). But, as they stated, most all of these smaller-displacement adventure bikes need some tweaking to get them where they need to be...and that's again the point: motorcycle riders select a bike because it speaks to them, and once purchased they set about customizing it to better suit their needs (in a sense: turning the bike into the bike they wanted to buy in the first place)...and it's that "search for perfection" that draws riders again and again to motorcycles. Both of these motorbikes look like fun (and I'm sure they are)...which one a particular rider chooses reflects those criteria that each individual finds important. Keep up the good work!
I just love the utillitarian/workhorse characteristics of the Himalayan, I don't even have a motorcycle license but seeing more and more video's of it makes we wanna get a license buy a Himalayan and gear, then procede to ride all kinds of nice country side roads (maybe even bit of a roadtrip abroad)
I own a cruiser as of now, but because of it I realized how much more functional my bike needs to be... I like bad roads, bad weather, silent places, low budget camping and I'm a cruiser guy so no speeding. A shiny comfortable cruiser is nice and I am into doing things with style but a rugged ADV would suit me better because I care more about my bike beeing functional than shiny and yet RE manages to suit my tastes even for matters of style 👌 PS: I would only like the Himalayan to have a tiny little much punch, like 5HP but as it's as cheap as it is, I guess I could put some money into a little refinement
Great video...I think the argument they really had is what does "adventure" mean. It's clear the 2 had diffrent opinions on what that is so the real value of this video is being able to picks who's definition I lean towards.
Nathan, I've had a look into the front brake on the Himalayan and it would seem the floating front disc from a RE Continental GT fits straight on and should improve things there. The caliper may also fit to improve it even more. As for power, Hitchcocks are looking into a big bore kit, no idea when it would be available though. This would be a superb upgrade! These two together and the Himalayan would be a sensational bike! Cheers, Michael.
Awesome review! As an owner of an Himalayan, I loved the points from both sides. The Himalayan is definitely a very capable bike but it can feel heavy at times. But for India, it's the perfect bike. It deals with our bad roads incredibly well, trail riding is fun, highway riding at 50-60 mph (that's all can do safely in India) is a dawdle and it feels very stable and safe in all situations especially with our argy bargy traffic. But it's pretty much shit in our congested mad city traffic. But as I don't commute on it, it's not a problem me. And at ₹200,000 (2500 pounds) in India it's an incredible bargain. The GS will be almost twice that, so it won't be a value option in India. But people will be happy to buy a BMW badge for that price in India for sure.
The Himalayan cost in India On Road USD 2800 and 310 GS cost nearly USD 5500 so I think it's better to but Himalayan. Though Himalayan has some very serious quality issues but that price difference is insane you can get two Himalayans at the price of one 310GS in India. I think BMW has got completely insane with the price especially in India. They could have done better in India especially when the 310 GS is made in India. People can pay more for BMW badge but not this much more. I think Himalayan is a better bet even with that small flaws and the recent batches of Himalryan are turning out to be less troblesome than the earlier ones.
I second what the others are saying. But maybe the editor just has different ears. I'd suggest running it past three or four friends\parents for constructive comments before publishing. Speech was better later on,,, , at the start the Himalayan guy kept turning away ... maybe you trained them as it went on!?
If you have a Himalayan, please check the rear brake caliper. Mine has just snapped at the rear casting - where it goes on the pin to float. It's a warranty job and is hopefully a rare event. while rolling back the brake clunked... I did not realise until a few mins later I was slowly rolling into a petrol station that the rear brake was nor functioning. It will be a warranty job and I feel lucky that I was moving so slowly! Other wise it has been a tough little machine. Useless compass of course and the gear change indicator has already broken.
@King Rambo No offense bro!! But GS 310 screams "look at me I am a GS", but it clearly misses all the bell and whisles of mighty GS series bike. It's just a modified road bike.
The endless arguing/bickering between these two was off-putting for me. The Himalayan is a 30/70 road / off road bike..almost a tractor / mule in design functionality. The 310 GS is 70/30 by comparison...different design philosophy. With RallyRaid suspension..it goes to 50/50. These two guys couldn't get their respective heads around this and argued like it was an apples for apples comparison...c'mon. Hate to have these 2 guys negotiating a trade agreement between 2 countries...jeezus😬
The endless bickering wasn't off-putting at all for me. They did mention the road/off-road balance at length. As a mini-documentary format it's an enjoyable watch to have personality and opinions come through from riders. They fleshed out the pros/cons and market for each bike pretty well.
It's what a lot of guys do...cars, guns, bikes...everyone is entitled to an opinion and honestly once you gorm an opinion it's difficult to see another perspective. The guy on the GS sounds like he is quite new to off-road riding and kept saying about liking the GS for his ability level...what happens when that improves? Or worse, it never does because you're on a bike that's holding you back. Either way a lot of bikes are a compromise...just like cars/trucks...but usually even more so. Unless you have a bike just for fun rides around town and never expect more out of it. I have a BMW F650gs and it isn't great on the road or off-road, but it's adequate for both, with a slight off-road bias (mainly due to the tires I have fitted). Would be nice to see this revisited with things like the Van Van 200, V-Strom 250 and Versys-X 300 thrown in the mix!
I have had a 310gs and a crf250 rally. The rally was almost dangerous for long distance highway, the 310gs was far easier and safer for long distance. Yes the rally is in a league of its own off road. But if your can’t ride 2 hours to the tails down the highway what good is it? Speaking from just my experience the rally was very twitchy handling after 100klm/h. Ended up selling my rally sadly and now on the 2022 310gs. Just have to know it’s limits off road and ride it differently.
Opinions requested: I used to own a BMW K1600 touring bike for my wife and I. Then I wanted to do some more off-road and ADV riding so I bought a BMW 1200 GS. I'm now a bit of a BMW fan-boy. Now I own a new Tacoma with a short bed and my wife and I want to do long road trips in the Tacoma with our teardrop camper and a wood canoe on top of the truck. But I also want to bring a motorcycle. I definitely don't want to be loading and unloading a 600 lb motorcycle by myself. I need a smallish bike that I can load into the back of the truck by myself. I want a bike that we can do small day trips two-up and hit trails and forest service roads, but don't need a serious ADV capable bike. The BMW is about 50 lbs lighter than the Himalayan and about 2 inch shorter wheelbase, making it easier to load into the truck bed. I think I like them both, for different reasons, but which one ticks most of my boxes. Certainly $4,500 for the Himalayan is an appealing price point, compared to the 310 GS ?????
Oh joy, the only thing you don't have to throw fists full of money at to make the GS less of a street bike are hand guards. 19:24 OOPS! I failed to look closer. So much for "budget"! Nathan's "the G310GS is a lie" statement is spot on. 😕
Great video, may thanks.I’m a fan of both John and Nathan, so it was great to see them together. I think there’s lots of food for thought from both. I also thought it was entertaining as well as informative. Cheers, Adam
l put the genuine off road exhaust on my himalayan and it made a huge diff on how the engine performed plus the exhaust note makes it sound more like an off road bike than the stock tractor sound
I got the wife on board to let me buy a Himalayan this March. 😁👍🍻🎊 No more trying to use my modded out Honda Grom as a trail bike. I will be able to take the Himalayan into the really fun stuff!!!! I can’t wait.
A slow and tedious start to the video and I would have stopped it but I only had it on in the background while I was working. It improved once they were riding and I enjoyed the last 2/3. The contrast is between someone who spouts bike mag cliches about barreling into corners on the brakes and who prefers the conventional brand (BMW) and the one who sounds like he gets out more, does more actual riding and knows what he wants from a bike. Biking doesn't have to be about bigger, faster, more bhp, more ft lbs, more features etc. etc. It's about riding, and enjoying the bike you have. I loved my old MZ ETZ251 and I love my new(ish) Guzzi V7ii. I had 2 BMWs (F800s) and they were too clever by half with the electronics, and as a result, the most unreliable bikes I've ever had. (So why did I buy 2? The 1st one was stolen after only 3 months/4,500 miles, and I stuck with my original choice, which I later regretted.)
I would say Himalayan is a mile cruncher.. its made for relax highway riding.. very low cost maintenance.. its a kind of motorcycle which i cant take on rough terrain and beat em up.. even if a damage the motorcycle i won't Have to fork out loads of cash for the spare.. in Himalayan i can learn and its can be my starting up bike and grow from it..
BMW G650GS SERTAO for the same money with 4,000 miles on the clock, much better off & on road than both of these bikes and will clock up 100,000 miles ! Will cruise at 80mph all day, and you can turn the ABS off which is a must going down steep muddy hills off road unlike the Himalayan but I guess you get used to the arse clenching no brakes feel on that !
I owned a F650 GS and now own a Husky Tr650 that uses the Sertao engine but with more poke. Neither of those bikes are better off road than my Himalayan featured in the video. On the road, for sure. But not in the dirt.
Great stuff! Really well-made video and fun to watch. Wish I could have gone with you. Loved the two guys arguing their respective points, interspersed with riding and music. And despite Nathan being a wee bit grumpy (who wants to have their bike called rubbish?), I'd have to say he convinced me that the Himalayan is the bike for me! Keep it up!
@@nathanthepostman Don't blame you! And no offense meant. It was fun hearing you two go at it, and the good discussion you two had brought up lots of important points. What stuck in my mind is what you said about the Himalayan being a comprehensive package, and that both bikes are enablers.
I currently own a Royal Enfield continental gt so I was looking at the Himalayan when I bought the GT.5 speed transmission scared me off but I'm buying a G310gs next.
Great vid same about the sound engineer... Seems to me the comments are in whispers and the music is blaring... So I have had to hold on to the remote to adjust the balance... Painful.. I hear there's a 650 himalayas coming out in 2020 or 2021.
I'd buy the 310GS for an around town commuter with weekend back roads and fire roads. I think it's perfect for that light adventure role. I'd rather have the Sertao version with spoke wheels, a proper metal engine guard, better suspension, taller and stiffer handlebars and a larger fuel tank. BMW needs to offer that as a 20% up priced version, at least in the US and European markets.
Fantastic video. Brilliant editing. Simply gorgeous shots and music. Fantastic review. Thank you very much. And yes... Even here in India, I went for the Himalayan. Cheers.
Horses for courses. Himalayan is accessible for anyone as an affordable capable machine to take a few hits and be able to run on a budget. The BMW GS310 is more aimed at road use with occasional off road use, itll do it but its not very good. But it will do it nonetheless. Id put my money into a Himalayan and accept its lacking on the road but that too can be fun in it's own way/own company with nothing else to compare to you wont then be disappointed. I worry on long term reliability with the Himalayan regarding engine refinement/quality of assembly regarding tolerances internally and the fact they are looking to release a larger possibly twin engine version which will make the 410cc ones plummet in value secondhand. Really you gotta buy it and be happy for what it is and not start comparing it to this and that. Goes for both bikes. I mean a Honda CB500x would be a good BMW GS310 alternative.
They got really good economy because of the small engines and light weight ~3 Litres for 100km, so both still go places. A friend of mine owns a big ADV Moto Guzzi with 36 litre tank... but that thing chugs about 11 Litres for 100 km 🤷🏼♂️
This is so accurate review . I hope rally raid parts gonna make it to India. Love to be a part of it . Great review n loved the cinematography . And the connection potraited between machine and rider was so good. Respect *
In my opinion if himalayan has the power of 310gs there will be no debate. Himalayan would be the best ever adventure bike. having a high power and super heavy adv bikes really is unnecessary
I'm now in my 60's and never had a motorbike, I live next to Salisbury Plain and would like to buy a lower powered adventure bike just for a bit of fun on the dirt / stone roads on the plain at the weekends, The Himalayan looks good to me, would an A2 licence cover the Himalayan and is it easy to get?
Infrastructure is the key and BMW has no better Service stations than Royal Enfield. You ride in a town and you may find a BMW dealer but sorry, no motorcycle service. Bikes like that, 1 cyl dumper need to be easy to fix. I'll think that early 2000 are over. Volks looking for fewer electronics but more consistent reliability. Riding a Motorcycle have to be pour and simple, otherwise, I buy me an automatic scooter. Opinion off
This is published end of August 2018 - when it was filmed ? Cos Nathan is reviewing BMW at Bike Social Review December 2017 and he using very good words about this bike.
The difference between the volume of the dialog and the music needs to be addressed. Every time the music came on I had to turn the volume down, then back up to hear the dialog. Otherwise, an interesting comparison . . .
Both are made in India. The Himalayan is reliable. The BMW GS 310 is not: some owners in France got frame issues - the frame bent where the side stand is attached. Now they are waiting for a new frame. Indian price for the Himalayan, German one for the GS 310. I have to say that I am not an owner of an Himalayan. I just want people to know. My nephew bought 2 GS 1200. He had issues with both. Once he had to wait 4 month to get his bike repaired.
The Himalayan is Sold to over 2 billion people asian market whose average height is a few inches shorter than the western market so the right height is perfect for the asian market especially when the rider can easily stradle the bike and use both feet on ground for stability
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Noraly rided 66.000 Km on a Himalayan from the India to Peru crossing Asia, Europe and Sud America. I think is a very capable motorbike...
I was laughing at these guys trying to convince the other why their bike was best. Just two totally different mindsets, riding styles, purpose. For me, Himalayan all the way!
Love your channel btw KARMAkaze Moto.
@@brooks7845 If I could click a heart on this I would! Thanks so much! I'm working at it. Hopefully I get even better. Winter is here for me. F'n cold and frozen solid! Come spring I'll turn the Himalayan loose on Alaska! 🏍
Thanks again!
Waiting for that part 3 bro. Loved your channel. Keep it up 👍👍👍
@@relfelapautu I'm aiming for next weekend. And thanks!
That's what made this show enjoyable. By the end it's clear which bike is better suited to purpose, style and mindset in riding. It's the same reason I've enjoyed watching your series. From them chatting to you documenting your ride I'm learning more and more about the bike.
I rode the Himalayan in the Himalayas and it was amazing. Went everywhere over any terrain with no issues. It's just superb.
Gees guys, tone down the music. It gets a bit tiring turning the volume up to hear the dialog only to have my eardrums blown out when the music comes on.
Ikr !!!
Delete the music altogether please.
The music is annoying as hell.
Gotta say, it's the Himalayan for me.
The Himalayan takes its design cues from the 70's. Given that, it will appeal to people who like that kind of retro/workhorse look. For others, its lack of contemporary design architecture won't appeal at all. So its appeal is subjective, so to argue it's better or worse on this basis is futile. But to debate them objectively is different. Which accelerates better, which has better handling, more reliable, better economy, better load carrying, better on road, better off road etc, easier to repair etc etc. Now that's a more rational debate based on facts..not emotions🤔
@MrMAAKK
Gs is indian made crap
@MrMAAKK 😂😂even the bmw is made by an Indian company called TVS motors my friend so you're the one trolling yourself 🤣🤣🤣
No, TVS had partnered with BMW and had produced Apache RR310
But,never go for baby GS adventure many Indian moto vloggers are unsatisfied with its performance,waste of money rather buy Himalayan for fun,half its price☺️
Himalayan Rocks..😎 as per price, as per performance, as per spare costs its far better than bmw GS...
I love my Himalayan. I got one of the early ones here in the US and my only real wish would be for a 6th gear for freeway riding. Everything else has been great. I have the panniers installed and I'm getting a set of Rotopax for the front for gas and water. That'd give me about a 200 mi offroad range. 8)
Tech Gravity how come?
Have you taken it anywhere adventurous yet Scott?
Not as much as I would have liked to. We got a lot of rainfall during Sept & Oct and it's getting cold early, so I've got it winterized in the barn. I did thoroughly enjoy what I got to do with it, however.
Similar issue here. Lots of rain. Also I got slammed with an unusual amount of work. I'll get a couple more short rides in before winterizing. And next summer is going to be epic!
@@KARMAkazeMoto dude loved your Seattle to Alaska series
just watched a lady from holland on youtube take her royal enfield Himalayan across Asia and now oman iran etc...it's certainly capable
cresshead Itchy Boots... on RUclips ... the bikes a winner..
@@glennfryer1539 it's been amazin ..reliable and a true workhorse as she travels around the globe
I'm not saying that Himalayan is not good, but Vespas have been taken around the world...
@@PeterKoperdan Himalayan went on to south america with argentina, chile peru etc... she had to fly home after the 2020 thing hit but that bike has been brilliant all around the world so far.
@@cresshead I would have to watch the whole series to be able to form an opinion about that. But my general comment means that simply going around the world is not a good benchmark of something, because great many bikes have done that, including scooters and possibly also mopeds.
There are many bikes on the market and some of them have rock solid reliability, so they can be more reliable than new bikes even when bought used. Therefore, they are fair game to include in comparisons. I'd rather buy a notoriously reliable bike used, than unreliable bike new.
There are other factors to consider regarding ADV bikes then their ability to march forward day after day. As I already mentioned, Vespas have been taken around the world. Engine performance and design is an important factor. Performance on highways is also to be considered and the vibrations the engine produces. Some engines make for a much less comfortable ride. And comfort is extremely important on long trips. Comfort is hugely influenced by suspension.
I'm not an expert, but people say that Himalayan has some important issues that should be taken into account. I may be mistaken, but I think that Itchy Boots is not a veteran rider, so she most likely can't assess her bike very well. From her perspective it does the trick and isn't BAD, therefore it's great. Some people also aren't very picky and she may be one of them.
When you hear about her adventure and watch a few videos you may come to the conclusion, that Himalayan is awesome, because it allowed her to make the trip. But as I said before, Vespas were taken around the world..
Himalayan costs under $2500 in India if I'm not mistaken. That's a bargain and a no-brainer for many people! In my European country it costs around $5500. For that kind of money you can get many different bikes, both new and used.
More than two years ago I bought Himalayan almost all reviews I watch are just validating my decision
Nice position to be in. I've been known to make a bad biking purchase and only find out later that everyone else already realised it was rubbish! (Not just with bikes.) Sometimes it takes courage to choose a less fashionable and quirkier bike rather than go for the safe choice. Have fun on the Himalayan, just as I'm having fun on my air cooled 48bhp Guzzi that most people wouldn't think of buying because it won't do 130mph.
Ey, I'm looking at one now. Did you ever have oil leaks or issues with the fork bearings?
Great videography. Unfortunately, it was difficult to hear what this whole thing was about. PLEASE learn to equalize your volume between dialog and music! I could barely hear the dialog - the important stuff - and was overwhelmed by the music.
BMW all the way. If Himalayan was any good, Itchy Boots would still be using it.
Well..... I'll easily take that Enfield Himalayan... and use the saved money to plan & organize my travels :-D
S. R. Easy to fix and perfect for any job
Buy xpulse 200
Watch itchy boots channel see how far that Himalayan goes stop arguing about😂
Yes boots is a fearless awesome woman
Yee Noraly and Basanti
Truly awesome and also I bought the Himalayan.its arriving the begining of September 🥰
I was tempted but after doing some research on the Himalayan I wouldn't have confidence in the clutch. Too many stories about the plate's dying, even itchy boots killed 2
@@photojames don't forget steering head bearings at 10000, for her and "the postman"
I can buy two Himalayan's for the price of 1 GS in India. BMW has got it wrong in my opinion.
& servicing also...they charged 6k to my frnd🤣🤣
Totally agree.... the Beemer will break down before the Enfield...
@@8080408729a
The price in the US for the GS 310 and the Himalayan is very close. The Price difference between the two is not even in the discussion. I would tend to the India Himalayan. More cc more torque. BMW lives not only in the Motorcycle market on the Brand name and the sign on the tank.
I'll believe that BMW and also American brands that live on a Name will be passed on the right by smart Asien designs that make sense.
Infrastructure is the key and BMW has no better Service stations than Royal Enfield. You ride in a town and you may find a BMW dealer but sorry, no motorcycle service.
Bi9kes like that, 1 cyl dumper need to be easy to fix.
I'll think that early 2000 are over. Volks looking for fewer electronics but more consistent reliability. Riding a Motorcycle have to be pour and simple, otherwise, I buy me an automatic scooter.
Opinion off
@kev googlestein
The Interceptor and the Continental GT are build by Madras Motors is Chennai India. They build Motorcycles under Royal Enfield license.
The TVS 310 R and 310 GS are build by TVS Motor Comp. in Hosur and Tami Nadur India. They build Motorcycles under BMW license.
Just in case you wanna know.
@ekim andersom BMW 310 GS is a thousand dollars more than the Himalayan in my city in Texas.
come on alloy wheels on adventure bike..? its not right! Himalayan 21 inch spoke wheels glides over almost anything. Its the most i like on my Himalayan and always it proves me right.
Should have been called a G310xr closer to an xr to a gs.
Nathan Milward, Itchy Boots and Karmakaze convinced me to buy a Himalayan, and I am extremely pleased. Like Nathan said, it's one of the best adventure bikes to come out in the last five years, and one that's hard to beat pound for pound.
Love the Himalayan, had a lot of fun riding it. My bike’s a Triumph tiger 1200 and I couldn’t replace it for the Himalayan since I’m still young so the weight isn’t an issue, but 100% would have it as a second bike.
As long as you re program your brain for the power and don’t expect anything exciting you’ll be fine. I was very impressed, couldn’t fault the front brake on the one I rode?? Everyone says it’s bad but I really couldn’t criticise it, I guess there’s a bit of travel to get to the biting point but it stops very well, as long as you use both front and rear (which you always do anyway) then they’re fine.
Handling on the road really surprised me, it was great, very nimble and goes round corners very well.
Engine is torquey, 2nd is a great gear, accelerates quite spiritedly up to an easy 40 when pulling away, probably tops out around 45 so very useable.
Riding position really comfy, standing position also great.
Suspension Great at soaking up bumps and poor road surfaces, and doesn’t really wallow around in the corners even when riding fairly quickly
Good wind protection, probably would want a bit more if you were cruising at 85 all day but you won’t because the bike won’t do it 😂
Will sit at 60 all day, had mine accelerating up to 70 up a hill so that’s pretty good.
Very smooth engine, gets vibey when you rev it out for acceleration, but when cruising it’s fine
It reminds me of my 125 days where you still had a lot of fun but not going very fast, it’s like 125++ because it’s got double the power.
I forgot how fun and simple it was to ride a slow bike fast
Thank you for sharing your experienced of Himalayan. Thanks for the short ang effective blog.
I owned both at the same time. My Himmy was a 2021 and the 310 is a 2023. There were significant updates to the 310 in 2021. I sold my Himmy because it left me stranded 1100 miles from home. The dealer support in the US is not there at this point. The issue turned out to be a bad fuel pump so it was not that big a deal but I was in isolated areas where if it died completely it was serious. The 310 has a much higher build quality but it does need a few upgrades. A new rear spring is the most important. The suspension on the Himmy is very stiff to compensate for the low cost. The engines are completely different. The 411cc is slow revving and pleasant to ride. The 310 is much higher rpm and sporty in comparison. The 310 has about 12 more horsepower over the 411. I will be keeping my 310 and am planning many adventures for it including the western third of the Trans America Trail.
Great info, thanks, and glad you found the one that worked for you. Cheers, John
Himalayan for me. Good honest bike without the la-di-da factor....
The music in between the talking is terrible and really loud! Would do better with something lighter and maybe some engine noise.
Himalayan is the bike
If they make a 650cc himalayan it would be epic!
I think the Bullet 500 engine would be enough.
@@wristtwist1885 bullet 500 doesn't have the HP to ride 160-170 km/hr on highway.
If they made it a liter bike, it’d prob be 45bhp. Slow & fun no matter the size. It’s the RE way.
@@phu5005 Imagine the Sound 😍
@@imochasingh6875 WHO buys a high sprung single cylinder upright bike to go 170kph?? Answer; NO ONE
So if anyone trolls One bike over other as its Indian built. Then u be trolling urself as both Himalayan RE & BMW G310GS are built in India by TVS.
PS: i prefer the himalayan, when u have to go to some really tough trails, slippery trails or travel over high mountains, himalayan gives constant power over rocks & in slopes, making it more reliable in dangerous situations, doesnt slip to the sides. Plus its built solid, not like some other plastic bikes, not saying G310GS as plastic bikes, but some others are.
BMW G310GS is better on roads & highways Vs Himalayan hands down
Bro you might be right but have you tried mono. It's one heel of a machine. I was buying re Himalayan but one of my friend told me to take a test ride of mojo. And man that bike is insane. Feels like mini monster and tiger in one.
Yaa man... mojo is an amazing machine
@@sumeetghai8867 mojo is rare so u will be spotlight
I am india i have driven my re Himalayan bs4 for about 4000 km
Good part 411cc 24bhp 35+/- kmpl highway crusing
Good seating comfort .
Good ground clearance.
Good bulit quality
Good amount of speed max 140km ( vibration included)
Priced below 2 lakhs
Good enough suspension among these budgets
Good throttle sounds
Instrument cluster good With pretty informations
Rider can stand while riding.
Good enough brakes and tyres
Not expecting abs etc for dual purpose bike
Heat at legs on heavy traffic on sunny day
Little harder gears and clutches
Low lights
Vibrating on high speeds.
Electronic switchs bit low.
Slow acceleration
0-100 in 10 to 11 secs..
Bad quality helmet offered by company.
Heating issue..??
Is your bike bs3 or bs4.
Asking you as am planning for it.
Had test rided it felt too good.
One thing am suffering from lower back issues since many years. Discs are depleted, and am riding currently Avenger 200, with driver back support. Now switching to himalayan will it be an issue, as himalayan with driver back support dont know about it.
It needs1 more gear for the usa,highways here are faster than most places the torque is there for a 75 mph cruising speed at a lower rpm .when that's converted to kmph that seems high but that's what you need to stay ahead of the big trucks that can blow you off the road
Summed up pretty well but yeah on our highways you wanna do 130-140km/h easily in low rpm and easily/quickly accelerate to like 150km/h for smooth/quick overtaking aswell.
(However, you can still ride decently and safely here managing only 100-120 km/h)
But then again, that would probably make the Himalayan king of the ADV bikes I guess.
@@ronaldharris6569
Not sure. From other reports the handling isn't good at those speeds. Horses, courses.
Looks better for round the world, not round America
Check the Itchy Boots videos ... ruclips.net/video/BsdKwqc1040/видео.html
Robust, Mechanical, Engineering, Functional, Iron, Sound, Feel...Metal Head for Himalayan! Baby GS for Babies!
Baby GS for Babies! - Baby GS for Starbucks posing
Himalayan definitely
Excellent video guys! I think what this video proves is that each of us as motorcycle riders find ourselves drawn to a particular bike (or bikes) for different reasons. Therefore, we select our chosen mount based on a set of criteria that speaks to us; realizing that no bike is perfect: each model is some sort of compromise. Since both of these bikes seem to "push my buttons" I was interested to get the guys thoughts on them. Obviously, the BMW G310GS is better on the street (it's got 17" wheels and a street-biased suspension package, it's lighter and more nimble) and the Himalayan really comes into it's own when the going gets tougher (I would assume that it's not only better off-road, but on stretches of tarmac that have fallen into a state of disrepair; but since I haven't ridden one, I couldn't say for sure).
As the owner of a 2017 Honda CRF250L Rally, my ears perked up when Nathan remarked that the little Honda starts to look pretty good now that he's ridden the BMW more (Nathan just became one of the smartest people in the world in my estimation). But, as they stated, most all of these smaller-displacement adventure bikes need some tweaking to get them where they need to be...and that's again the point: motorcycle riders select a bike because it speaks to them, and once purchased they set about customizing it to better suit their needs (in a sense: turning the bike into the bike they wanted to buy in the first place)...and it's that "search for perfection" that draws riders again and again to motorcycles.
Both of these motorbikes look like fun (and I'm sure they are)...which one a particular rider chooses reflects those criteria that each individual finds important.
Keep up the good work!
I just love the utillitarian/workhorse characteristics of the Himalayan, I don't even have a motorcycle license but seeing more and more video's of it makes we wanna get a license buy a Himalayan and gear, then procede to ride all kinds of nice country side roads (maybe even bit of a roadtrip abroad)
I own a cruiser as of now, but because of it I realized how much more functional my bike needs to be...
I like bad roads, bad weather, silent places, low budget camping and I'm a cruiser guy so no speeding.
A shiny comfortable cruiser is nice and I am into doing things with style but a rugged ADV would suit me better because I care more about my bike beeing functional than shiny and yet RE manages to suit my tastes even for matters of style 👌
PS: I would only like the Himalayan to have a tiny little much punch, like 5HP but as it's as cheap as it is, I guess I could put some money into a little refinement
Great video...I think the argument they really had is what does "adventure" mean. It's clear the 2 had diffrent opinions on what that is so the real value of this video is being able to picks who's definition I lean towards.
Nathan, I've had a look into the front brake on the Himalayan and it would seem the floating front disc from a RE Continental GT fits straight on and should improve things there. The caliper may also fit to improve it even more. As for power, Hitchcocks are looking into a big bore kit, no idea when it would be available though. This would be a superb upgrade! These two together and the Himalayan would be a sensational bike! Cheers, Michael.
Big bore kit and a brake upgrade? Just buy the SWM Super dual then. What's the point of buying it just to swap everything out? Sorry #rallyraid.
The brakes are fine, you don't need any more off road and when you need to stop quickly on tarmac you just squeeze it harder. It works, I know this!
Michael Sherry That’s a good tip Micheal 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Enjoyed that guys well done. The RE looks as if it will last too
The Price difference is immense.. it not even comparable
Awesome review! As an owner of an Himalayan, I loved the points from both sides. The Himalayan is definitely a very capable bike but it can feel heavy at times. But for India, it's the perfect bike. It deals with our bad roads incredibly well, trail riding is fun, highway riding at 50-60 mph (that's all can do safely in India) is a dawdle and it feels very stable and safe in all situations especially with our argy bargy traffic. But it's pretty much shit in our congested mad city traffic. But as I don't commute on it, it's not a problem me. And at ₹200,000 (2500 pounds) in India it's an incredible bargain. The GS will be almost twice that, so it won't be a value option in India. But people will be happy to buy a BMW badge for that price in India for sure.
I thought the Himalayan won't be out of place in bumper-to-bumper, start-stop traffic conditions of India, what with its decent torque at low RPMs!
It's as light as fuck compared to bmws. Lovely bike.
Forget the bike riding. These two hanging out at the fence is golden,they could stayed there for days.
The Himalayan cost in India On Road USD 2800 and 310 GS cost nearly USD 5500 so I think it's better to but Himalayan. Though Himalayan has some very serious quality issues but that price difference is insane you can get two Himalayans at the price of one 310GS in India. I think BMW has got completely insane with the price especially in India. They could have done better in India especially when the 310 GS is made in India. People can pay more for BMW badge but not this much more. I think Himalayan is a better bet even with that small flaws and the recent batches of Himalryan are turning out to be less troblesome than the earlier ones.
BMW also lacks quality they are even worse than the Himalayan
As of July 2023, the on-road price of Himalayan in India is USD 3800 (after conversion) and BMW GS 310 costs USD 5200.
Hi from Northampton , great video . I think BMW it is good to buy instead of Himalayan because it will be easier to sell .
Music volume: 10000000
Speech volume: 4
-> *turns up volume to hear what they are saying - music comes on and blasts me out of the seat*
Need to get myself a cup of himalayan tea as the music is thumping through my neurons.. Thanks a lot guys..
Interesting, but why the annoying gulf in volume between the music and dialogue?
Yeah, really annoying.
Ditto, made a great video a chore to watch having to hover over the volume button.
You're so right, i nearly turned the video off, why have the music in the first place!
I second what the others are saying.
But maybe the editor just has different ears.
I'd suggest running it past three or four friends\parents for constructive comments before publishing.
Speech was better later on,,, , at the start the Himalayan guy kept turning away ... maybe you trained them as it went on!?
randomly searching for a review on the 310 and did NOT EXPECT TO SEE NATHAN! Frig yeah!
If you have a Himalayan, please check the rear brake caliper. Mine has just snapped at the rear casting - where it goes on the pin to float. It's a warranty job and is hopefully a rare event. while rolling back the brake clunked... I did not realise until a few mins later I was slowly rolling into a petrol station that the rear brake was nor functioning.
It will be a warranty job and I feel lucky that I was moving so slowly!
Other wise it has been a tough little machine. Useless compass of course and the gear change indicator has already broken.
Ruggedly handsome = HIMALAYAN
baby toy = BMW gs
Vignesh Kudtarkar Ruggedly handsome...for a tractor😉
@@53glowe Yeah tractor can too run on off-road. Isn't that the whole purpose of an ADV Bike?
@King Rambo No offense bro!! But GS 310 screams "look at me I am a GS", but it clearly misses all the bell and whisles of mighty GS series bike. It's just a modified road bike.
Himalayan! 😁
Re= will fall apart
Gs= I have better fit and finish.
The endless arguing/bickering between these two was off-putting for me. The Himalayan is a 30/70 road / off road bike..almost a tractor / mule in design functionality. The 310 GS is 70/30 by comparison...different design philosophy. With RallyRaid suspension..it goes to 50/50. These two guys couldn't get their respective heads around this and argued like it was an apples for apples comparison...c'mon. Hate to have these 2 guys negotiating a trade agreement between 2 countries...jeezus😬
I think there was more nuanced discussion but it got left on the cutting room floor. We did hold very different opinions for sure.
The endless bickering wasn't off-putting at all for me. They did mention the road/off-road balance at length. As a mini-documentary format it's an enjoyable watch to have personality and opinions come through from riders. They fleshed out the pros/cons and market for each bike pretty well.
It's what a lot of guys do...cars, guns, bikes...everyone is entitled to an opinion and honestly once you gorm an opinion it's difficult to see another perspective. The guy on the GS sounds like he is quite new to off-road riding and kept saying about liking the GS for his ability level...what happens when that improves? Or worse, it never does because you're on a bike that's holding you back.
Either way a lot of bikes are a compromise...just like cars/trucks...but usually even more so. Unless you have a bike just for fun rides around town and never expect more out of it. I have a BMW F650gs and it isn't great on the road or off-road, but it's adequate for both, with a slight off-road bias (mainly due to the tires I have fitted).
Would be nice to see this revisited with things like the Van Van 200, V-Strom 250 and Versys-X 300 thrown in the mix!
I would have watched this but you got the tech stats wrong.
I have had a 310gs and a crf250 rally. The rally was almost dangerous for long distance highway, the 310gs was far easier and safer for long distance. Yes the rally is in a league of its own off road. But if your can’t ride 2 hours to the tails down the highway what good is it? Speaking from just my experience the rally was very twitchy handling after 100klm/h. Ended up selling my rally sadly and now on the 2022 310gs. Just have to know it’s limits off road and ride it differently.
another man with common sense over EGO ;)
Opinions requested:
I used to own a BMW K1600 touring bike for my wife and I.
Then I wanted to do some more off-road and ADV riding so I bought a BMW 1200 GS. I'm now a bit of a BMW fan-boy.
Now I own a new Tacoma with a short bed and my wife and I want to do long road trips in the Tacoma with our teardrop camper and a wood canoe on top of the truck. But I also want to bring a motorcycle. I definitely don't want to be loading and unloading a 600 lb motorcycle by myself.
I need a smallish bike that I can load into the back of the truck by myself. I want a bike that we can do small day trips two-up and hit trails and forest service roads, but don't need a serious ADV capable bike.
The BMW is about 50 lbs lighter than the Himalayan and about 2 inch shorter wheelbase, making it easier to load into the truck bed.
I think I like them both, for different reasons, but which one ticks most of my boxes. Certainly $4,500 for the Himalayan is an appealing price point, compared to the 310 GS
?????
You're better with a Yamaha XT250, it will serve you well after you stop your truck. Is only 380 pounds, it'll go 65 mph with an extra rider
Oh joy, the only thing you don't have to throw fists full of money at to make the GS less of a street bike are hand guards. 19:24 OOPS! I failed to look closer. So much for "budget"! Nathan's "the G310GS is a lie" statement is spot on. 😕
Great video, may thanks.I’m a fan of both John and Nathan, so it was great to see them together. I think there’s lots of food for thought from both. I also thought it was entertaining as well as informative. Cheers, Adam
l put the genuine off road exhaust on my himalayan and it made a huge diff on how the engine performed plus the exhaust note makes it sound more like an off road bike than the stock tractor sound
bjorn1583 which company
Piggy back an after market ECU and u will get even more
I got the wife on board to let me buy a Himalayan this March. 😁👍🍻🎊 No more trying to use my modded out Honda Grom as a trail bike. I will be able to take the Himalayan into the really fun stuff!!!! I can’t wait.
Brilliant! Though I hope you're keeping the Grom too! Cheers, John
I would have liked to see a Suzuki Van Van added into the mix for a laugh.
Or a V-Strom 250...Versys-X 300...
A slow and tedious start to the video and I would have stopped it but I only had it on in the background while I was working. It improved once they were riding and I enjoyed the last 2/3. The contrast is between someone who spouts bike mag cliches about barreling into corners on the brakes and who prefers the conventional brand (BMW) and the one who sounds like he gets out more, does more actual riding and knows what he wants from a bike. Biking doesn't have to be about bigger, faster, more bhp, more ft lbs, more features etc. etc. It's about riding, and enjoying the bike you have. I loved my old MZ ETZ251 and I love my new(ish) Guzzi V7ii. I had 2 BMWs (F800s) and they were too clever by half with the electronics, and as a result, the most unreliable bikes I've ever had. (So why did I buy 2? The 1st one was stolen after only 3 months/4,500 miles, and I stuck with my original choice, which I later regretted.)
Nice work, I like the banter and the honest opinions. Good job gents.
I prefer that Himalayan. Awesome!
I would say Himalayan is a mile cruncher.. its made for relax highway riding.. very low cost maintenance.. its a kind of motorcycle which i cant take on rough terrain and beat em up.. even if a damage the motorcycle i won't
Have to fork out loads of cash for the spare.. in Himalayan i can learn and its can be my starting up bike and grow from it..
Huge tail bag on the BMW and tiny sack on the RE ?
Funny seeing Nathan not liking the G310GS five years ago. I've got stock on mine, and love hitting potholes and such.
I am 5 feet 6 inches
Which bike is good for me
BMW G650GS SERTAO for the same money with 4,000 miles on the clock, much better off & on road than both of these bikes and will clock up 100,000 miles !
Will cruise at 80mph all day,
and you can turn the ABS off which is a must going down steep muddy hills off road unlike the Himalayan but I guess you get used to the arse clenching no brakes feel on that !
Not new though is it? These can do the mileage too.
I owned a F650 GS and now own a Husky Tr650 that uses the Sertao engine but with more poke. Neither of those bikes are better off road than my Himalayan featured in the video. On the road, for sure. But not in the dirt.
Both bikes made in India ❤️😍
Really !
@@solstar4778 yes
RE is d best, love from India
Great stuff! Really well-made video and fun to watch. Wish I could have gone with you. Loved the two guys arguing their respective points, interspersed with riding and music. And despite Nathan being a wee bit grumpy (who wants to have their bike called rubbish?), I'd have to say he convinced me that the Himalayan is the bike for me! Keep it up!
I was as angry as hell when he said that.!
@@nathanthepostman Don't blame you! And no offense meant. It was fun hearing you two go at it, and the good discussion you two had brought up lots of important points. What stuck in my mind is what you said about the Himalayan being a comprehensive package, and that both bikes are enablers.
Did you turn off ABS for off road ?
I currently own a Royal Enfield continental gt so I was looking at the Himalayan when I bought the GT.5 speed transmission scared me off but I'm buying a G310gs next.
Great vid same about the sound engineer... Seems to me the comments are in whispers and the music is blaring... So I have had to hold on to the remote to adjust the balance... Painful..
I hear there's a 650 himalayas coming out in 2020 or 2021.
It is like comparing a mule to a throughbred...for serious adventure. I would prefer the mule...nuff said.
I'd buy the 310GS for an around town commuter with weekend back roads and fire roads. I think it's perfect for that light adventure role. I'd rather have the Sertao version with spoke wheels, a proper metal engine guard, better suspension, taller and stiffer handlebars and a larger fuel tank. BMW needs to offer that as a 20% up priced version, at least in the US and European markets.
For the sake of ten mins why would you not adjust the suspension, weird!
Fantastic video. Brilliant editing. Simply gorgeous shots and music. Fantastic review. Thank you very much. And yes... Even here in India, I went for the Himalayan. Cheers.
Entertaining and brilliantly produced video, well done.
I wonder how these would stack up against the VStrom 250, the Zontes 310, the forthcoming Sinnis T380 etc.?
Horses for courses. Himalayan is accessible for anyone as an affordable capable machine to take a few hits and be able to run on a budget. The BMW GS310 is more aimed at road use with occasional off road use, itll do it but its not very good. But it will do it nonetheless. Id put my money into a Himalayan and accept its lacking on the road but that too can be fun in it's own way/own company with nothing else to compare to you wont then be disappointed. I worry on long term reliability with the Himalayan regarding engine refinement/quality of assembly regarding tolerances internally and the fact they are looking to release a larger possibly twin engine version which will make the 410cc ones plummet in value secondhand. Really you gotta buy it and be happy for what it is and not start comparing it to this and that. Goes for both bikes. I mean a Honda CB500x would be a good BMW GS310 alternative.
What a great video! If I were in a position to buy a new bike, RE Himalayan for me...
The fuel tanks on these bikes are tiny?? I'd expect at least 20ltrs for this type of bike
They got really good economy because of the small engines and light weight ~3 Litres for 100km, so both still go places.
A friend of mine owns a big ADV Moto Guzzi with 36 litre tank... but that thing chugs about 11 Litres for 100 km 🤷🏼♂️
There is atleast one comment about itchy boots under every Himalayan video
My only himalayan concerns were the brakes, and its weight, (led lights a cheap fix) and yet for the price..should one really care?
I'd go for Honda's Cb 500 x instead of these 2.
Great video, a lots of informations thanks
What you think of two people on GS? Can pull or it's to weak?
Talks a LOT of sense. Brilliant.
The BMW 310GS too is made in India by TVS.
what about Honda CRF 250 L and RALLY? Any good in your opinion?
Love the intro of riders and team :D
Contemplating between buying KTM 390 adv and BMW g310gs, waiting for the new BS6 version (Euro 5). Any recommendations?
This is so accurate review .
I hope rally raid parts gonna make it to India.
Love to be a part of it .
Great review n loved the cinematography .
And the connection potraited between machine and rider was so good.
Respect *
In my opinion if himalayan has the power of 310gs there will be no debate. Himalayan would be the best ever adventure bike. having a high power and super heavy adv bikes really is unnecessary
Is the Himalayan any good with 2 up and some limited luggage ?
BMW is not an adventure but a small tourer.. Best bike on these kategory by far Kawasaki versys 300 x
What camera are you filming with? Looks great.
I'm now in my 60's and never had a motorbike, I live next to Salisbury Plain and would like to buy a lower powered adventure bike just for a bit of fun on the dirt / stone roads on the plain at the weekends, The Himalayan looks good to me, would an A2 licence cover the Himalayan and is it easy to get?
Yes it good for beginners and professional bike riders. As well young and old. Designed for safe and effective travel. Both on road and off-roads.
Great review/vid, love to know the route they took, tried to piece it together
I like the Versys 300 also
Infrastructure is the key and BMW has no better Service stations than Royal Enfield. You ride in a town and you may find a BMW dealer but sorry, no motorcycle service.
Bikes like that, 1 cyl dumper need to be easy to fix.
I'll think that early 2000 are over. Volks looking for fewer electronics but more consistent reliability. Riding a Motorcycle have to be pour and simple, otherwise, I buy me an automatic scooter.
Opinion off
This is published end of August 2018 - when it was filmed ? Cos Nathan is reviewing BMW at Bike Social Review December 2017 and he using very good words about this bike.
They are same price in EU but g310gs/r has no mods at all for power. Even for looks while himalayan got huuuge market
The difference between the volume of the dialog and the music needs to be addressed. Every time the music came on I had to turn the volume down, then back up to hear the dialog. Otherwise, an interesting comparison . . .
Keeping the subject aside, personally, i like the music. Can somebody please give me the music details in this video.
Both are made in India. The Himalayan is reliable. The BMW GS 310 is not: some owners in France got frame issues - the frame bent where the side stand is attached. Now they are waiting for a new frame. Indian price for the Himalayan, German one for the GS 310. I have to say that I am not an owner of an Himalayan. I just want people to know. My nephew bought 2 GS 1200. He had issues with both. Once he had to wait 4 month to get his bike repaired.
Very good down to earth presentation...good show gentlemen..
Royal Enfield himalayan 😍
The Himalayan is Sold to over 2 billion people asian market whose average height is a few inches shorter than the western market so the right height is perfect for the asian market especially when the rider can easily stradle the bike and use both feet on ground for stability