Great work. 4:28 I usually don't tap in the rotor plate. Just line it up with finger pressure. Then put the cap on and spin the rotor by hand while tightening the cover. As long as you've lubed between the cover and rotor plate, I find the plate pushes straight down and doesn't spin (even without lube). That way the axle alignment stays wonderfully aligned without putting excessive pressure on the shaft and bearings and needing to bang on it to correct the misalignment.
I really enjoy watching you work.. I’ve been in the repair business for about 15 yrs but only with guitars and amps. The only B&O instrument work I would accept were recorks on clarinets and sax necks. Watching you has inspired me beyond words, I’m 43 uneducated and self taught. You have given me new hope that I will be able to provide for my family (and self) into my old age... Thank you so much for all the pro tips and technics you share
I am happy that the videos are helpful. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have about repairing brass and woodwind instruments. I will do my best to answer them. Art
+The Brass and Woodwind Shop Thank you so much Art... My biggest question (for now) is valve debt repair... I see a lot of student trumpets.. in my area it’s the King 606 (maybe 601, I get them confused with king T-bone) Back TR500 and Yamaha Yas23. What are the main tools I need for those specific repairs and models? Case Mandrels? What size for those 3 and where the cheapest place to get them, do machine shops make them?
There are a lot of different reasons for valves to be stuck. I am hoping to do a series of videos on stuck valves in the near future, but I do not know exactly when. There are a lot of tools you could buy, but to get started I suggest you just get a small rawhide mallet, a small dent hammer, and the ground casing mandrels. The Yamaha is .664, the King trumpets made in USA are .660, and the Bach trumpets that are made in USA are .650. The King and Bach are no longer made in USA and I am not sure what sizes they are now. I suggest you join NAPBIRT and then contact Ferree's Tools. Here is a link to one of my other videos. The links to NAPBIRT and Ferree's Tools are in the description. "How Do I Find Band Instrument Repair Tools and Supplies?" ruclips.net/video/2wqCfbX4VNY/видео.html I hope this helps. Art
Hello, Thank you so much for your video! My Bass Trombone has sticky rotors and I could not find a video about repairing the rotor valves. Also I have oxidized blue crust in one of the attachment tubes. My trombone deserves better treatment than I have given it! Thanks for helping trombone players everywhere :)
What he did in this video was really gentle. I have seen my instruments for which I have special place in my heart bent and hit and smashed by repair guy the way that made my spine hurt. But they know what they're doing and as long as we keep abusing our instruments we need these people in our lives.
"if you want your instrument featured, let me know" is just another way of saying I will fix your random instrument for free on camera. 🤣 Love your vids!
I had exactly the same issue with my horn (different brand but same trigger setup). Followed the instructions to align the marks and....problem solved. Thank you, sir.
This one is my most favorite video so far because it talks about rotors. I’m a horn player so I was my intrigued. Though I do have a question. My rotors very commonly stick regardless of how much oil I use. I’ve only used two types of oils so far(superslick 1/2 Fl Oz and Holton 1 1/4 Fl Oz). I don’t really know what to do. It’s a cheap horn by Glory.
There are a few reasons for sticky valves. The most likely on an inexpensive horn is that they are loose and wobbling around a bit in the casings. Sometimes they just wobble the wrong way and get stuck. Unfortunately, there is not much to do except get a higher quality horn. Also, try not using very much oil. This is a little counter-intuitive, but it sometimes helps.
@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop I would have to agree that metal on inexpensive horns can be very inconsistant causing major issues with warping and misalignments. However, even excellent made American horns have issues with sticky valves even when they are brand new. This is because tolerences these days due to CAD machined parts are extremely close and any amount of dirt or even constant use can cause them to stick. Two things: Make sure you oil your rotors with the heavier oil on spindal arms and top bearings and lighter oil on the rotors by squerting some directly into the the tuning slide receiever toward the rotor. This will help flush out any accumulated starch from saliva. Second, tapping lightly using a drum stick or raw hide hammer on the spindal arm or top bearing, like demonstrated in this video can realign the top bearing. Top bearings, even if they are off a little at an angle, can give you the "grabbing" issue that is extremely common with new rotors that have yet to be broken in. More than likely the issue is just being dirty and a good flush of water regularly can help get rid of a dragging rotor issue.
I have noticed Yamaha horns like the YHR-567 do not have as many "fail safe" markings. I think they only have one on the top bearing and the spindal arm can have the swival arm go either way without markings or "tongue and groove" type features so a person knows it is reassmbled correctly. I come accross many of these situations. It helps to be able to play a major scale using both sides of a double horn to make sure it is assembled correctly. Sorry to say, if a Yamaha horn is not assembled correctly, you might spend a lot of time chasing which swival arm is misaligned.
Here is the link to a video that I made. It has links to several band instrument tool suppliers in the description. I hope this helps. How Do I Find Band Instrument Repair Tools and Supplies? ruclips.net/video/2wqCfbX4VNY/видео.html
I have a problem. The bell of my trombone - echoes only in Bb first and second octave. Something like a hall is heard. All solders are ok, no loose parts. When I put my hand on the logo, it stops echoing in Bb. The bell was bent and fixed from a repairman. Most probably this is the cause. My question is how can this mysterious problem be fixed ? Ivan Sofia, Bulgaria
That is an unusual problem. Without seeing it, it would be very hard to guess, but it sounds like a leak. It is very odd that it would stop when you put your hand on the logo..... unless the leak is on the logo which would be even more odd. If you want to send it to me. I could try to figure it out and feature it in a video, but shipping is very expensive though.
@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop I think she is saying her horn rings when she plays Bb. I have a Conn 71H that the bell rings on several notes. It has lived a hard life with several repairs and patches. I wrapped some tape and a velcro strap around the bell flair and it has helped. I have heard that some Bass Trombone players recommend a similar wrap to play louder with less distortion.
My trombone is making a clicking noise when I use the trigger (only after the valve has moved completely), I have oiled the valve and tightened the screws. My model is a YSL548G0 Do you have any suggestions on how to get the clicking to stop?
There are various reasons for that. My first guess would be that the rotor is loose between the spindle and the bearing. Once the valve is to the end of its rotating motion, it then goes just a little bit sideways and clicks as metal hits metal. If this is the case, the rotor bearing will need to be tightened to fit around the rotor spindle better. This requires a special tool and not all repair shops have it. A more simple way to "fix" it, but it is not as good, is to use very heavy oil like motor oil on the rotor spindles (do not use the heavy oil on the face of the rotor though). It is not the best way to fix it, but it may work to quiet it down temporarily until you can get it fixed. I just thought of another likely possibility. The lever arm may be running into the rotor casing. If that is the case, all you need to do is adjust the string. I hope this helps.
I wonder how long guy is playing on that trombone if hi didint know thats a rotor problem any way he dont know even how to hold it right and i got trigered as a trombone player.
At about 9:08, he says 'I worked on the slide, and ...' and as he tilts the slide, he jerks back the hand he's holding it with, and it starts moving. Cheating!
Your 1st Brass and Woodwind Shop video. And you're already a legend!!
Good job. I learned a lot in this short video, thanks!
Art, if you still have it, that thumb lever looks perfect for my Carl Wunderlich horn!
Great work. 4:28 I usually don't tap in the rotor plate. Just line it up with finger pressure. Then put the cap on and spin the rotor by hand while tightening the cover. As long as you've lubed between the cover and rotor plate, I find the plate pushes straight down and doesn't spin (even without lube). That way the axle alignment stays wonderfully aligned without putting excessive pressure on the shaft and bearings and needing to bang on it to correct the misalignment.
I really enjoy watching you work.. I’ve been in the repair business for about 15 yrs but only with guitars and amps. The only B&O instrument work I would accept were recorks on clarinets and sax necks. Watching you has inspired me beyond words, I’m 43 uneducated and self taught. You have given me new hope that I will be able to provide for my family (and self) into my old age... Thank you so much for all the pro tips and technics you share
I am happy that the videos are helpful. Feel free to ask me any questions you may have about repairing brass and woodwind instruments. I will do my best to answer them.
Art
+The Brass and Woodwind Shop
Thank you so much Art... My biggest question (for now) is valve debt repair... I see a lot of student trumpets.. in my area it’s the King 606 (maybe 601, I get them confused with king T-bone) Back TR500 and Yamaha Yas23. What are the main tools I need for those specific repairs and models? Case Mandrels? What size for those 3 and where the cheapest place to get them, do machine shops make them?
There are a lot of different reasons for valves to be stuck. I am hoping to do a series of videos on stuck valves in the near future, but I do not know exactly when. There are a lot of tools you could buy, but to get started I suggest you just get a small rawhide mallet, a small dent hammer, and the ground casing mandrels. The Yamaha is .664, the King trumpets made in USA are .660, and the Bach trumpets that are made in USA are .650. The King and Bach are no longer made in USA and I am not sure what sizes they are now.
I suggest you join NAPBIRT and then contact Ferree's Tools.
Here is a link to one of my other videos. The links to NAPBIRT and Ferree's Tools are in the description.
"How Do I Find Band Instrument Repair Tools and Supplies?" ruclips.net/video/2wqCfbX4VNY/видео.html
I hope this helps.
Art
Thank you for your detailed response!
Very cool Art. I never realized how many problems there could be with a musical instrument. You are really good at what you do.
Hello, Thank you so much for your video! My Bass Trombone has sticky rotors and I could not find a video about repairing the rotor valves. Also I have oxidized blue crust in one of the attachment tubes. My trombone deserves better treatment than I have given it! Thanks for helping trombone players everywhere :)
"Tap it lightly" Smashes the instrument.
Smashes it again. "Remember very lightly"
What he did in this video was really gentle. I have seen my instruments for which I have special place in my heart bent and hit and smashed by repair guy the way that made my spine hurt. But they know what they're doing and as long as we keep abusing our instruments we need these people in our lives.
Great video Art. I would like to see more trombone slide repair vids, this one has been very useful!
Neat, Art! I have to say, that chemical vat looks scary. I'm glad you were able to solve the trombone mystery!
Well done Art. I'm glad you are going to be making more videos in the shop. Keep up the great work!
"if you want your instrument featured, let me know" is just another way of saying I will fix your random instrument for free on camera. 🤣 Love your vids!
Great video! Yes, it would be AWESOME if you could do a slide repair video!
OMG I just found your cjannel Art and its so amazing please make more videos!!!!
God Bless you and your beautiful wife and family.
I had exactly the same issue with my horn (different brand but same trigger setup). Followed the instructions to align the marks and....problem solved. Thank you, sir.
So glad that worked for you. :)
Good video! Thanks for showing the porting. Now everyone can clean out their rotors!
Excellent video! Thank you and I as a trombonist apologise you for what you have done to it :p
Fantastic !! Could you please make more videos on trombone repair ?
And what is the chemical you are using ?
Great video!
Did you just cut a 4B apart!?
This one is my most favorite video so far because it talks about rotors. I’m a horn player so I was my intrigued. Though I do have a question. My rotors very commonly stick regardless of how much oil I use. I’ve only used two types of oils so far(superslick 1/2 Fl Oz and Holton 1 1/4 Fl Oz). I don’t really know what to do. It’s a cheap horn by Glory.
There are a few reasons for sticky valves. The most likely on an inexpensive horn is that they are loose and wobbling around a bit in the casings. Sometimes they just wobble the wrong way and get stuck. Unfortunately, there is not much to do except get a higher quality horn. Also, try not using very much oil. This is a little counter-intuitive, but it sometimes helps.
Well thank you very much!
@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop I would have to agree that metal on inexpensive horns can be very inconsistant causing major issues with warping and misalignments. However, even excellent made American horns have issues with sticky valves even when they are brand new. This is because tolerences these days due to CAD machined parts are extremely close and any amount of dirt or even constant use can cause them to stick.
Two things:
Make sure you oil your rotors with the heavier oil on spindal arms and top bearings and lighter oil on the rotors by squerting some directly into the the tuning slide receiever toward the rotor. This will help flush out any accumulated starch from saliva.
Second, tapping lightly using a drum stick or raw hide hammer on the spindal arm or top bearing, like demonstrated in this video can realign the top bearing. Top bearings, even if they are off a little at an angle, can give you the "grabbing" issue that is extremely common with new rotors that have yet to be broken in.
More than likely the issue is just being dirty and a good flush of water regularly can help get rid of a dragging rotor issue.
I have noticed Yamaha horns like the YHR-567 do not have as many "fail safe" markings. I think they only have one on the top bearing and the spindal arm can have the swival arm go either way without markings or "tongue and groove" type features so a person knows it is reassmbled correctly. I come accross many of these situations. It helps to be able to play a major scale using both sides of a double horn to make sure it is assembled correctly. Sorry to say, if a Yamaha horn is not assembled correctly, you might spend a lot of time chasing which swival arm is misaligned.
Excellent video! Very informative and well presented. At 3:37 and 6:09 your hand is in the way and it's hard to see. Otherwise, very well done.
Excelente.
Nice vídeos. Great tips! What websites do you refer to buy brass tools?!
Here is the link to a video that I made. It has links to several band instrument tool suppliers in the description. I hope this helps.
How Do I Find Band Instrument Repair Tools and Supplies? ruclips.net/video/2wqCfbX4VNY/видео.html
Very helpful, thank you.
Can you show how to properly oil rotary valves?
Great video! You should make more videos!
I have a problem. The bell of my trombone - echoes only in Bb first and second octave. Something like a hall is heard.
All solders are ok, no loose parts. When I put my hand on the logo, it stops echoing in Bb. The bell was bent and fixed from a repairman. Most probably this is the cause. My question is how can this mysterious problem be fixed ?
Ivan
Sofia, Bulgaria
That is an unusual problem. Without seeing it, it would be very hard to guess, but it sounds like a leak. It is very odd that it would stop when you put your hand on the logo..... unless the leak is on the logo which would be even more odd. If you want to send it to me. I could try to figure it out and feature it in a video, but shipping is very expensive though.
@@TheBrassandWoodwindShop I think she is saying her horn rings when she plays Bb. I have a Conn 71H that the bell rings on several notes. It has lived a hard life with several repairs and patches. I wrapped some tape and a velcro strap around the bell flair and it has helped. I have heard that some Bass Trombone players recommend a similar wrap to play louder with less distortion.
My trombone is making a clicking noise when I use the trigger (only after the valve has moved completely), I have oiled the valve and tightened the screws. My model is a YSL548G0
Do you have any suggestions on how to get the clicking to stop?
There are various reasons for that. My first guess would be that the rotor is loose between the spindle and the bearing. Once the valve is to the end of its rotating motion, it then goes just a little bit sideways and clicks as metal hits metal. If this is the case, the rotor bearing will need to be tightened to fit around the rotor spindle better. This requires a special tool and not all repair shops have it. A more simple way to "fix" it, but it is not as good, is to use very heavy oil like motor oil on the rotor spindles (do not use the heavy oil on the face of the rotor though). It is not the best way to fix it, but it may work to quiet it down temporarily until you can get it fixed.
I just thought of another likely possibility. The lever arm may be running into the rotor casing. If that is the case, all you need to do is adjust the string.
I hope this helps.
The Brass and Woodwind Shop Thank you very much, that solved the problem and I was able to soften then noise level almost completely.
im trying to get my bach strad a new plating on it
9:57 i couldn't look. i couldn't. its too painful idc that its in bad shape
I wonder how long guy is playing on that trombone if hi didint know thats a rotor problem any way he dont know even how to hold it right and i got trigered as a trombone player.
At about 9:08, he says 'I worked on the slide, and ...' and as he tilts the slide, he jerks back the hand he's holding it with, and it starts moving. Cheating!
En français ce serai plus compréhensif
he proboly took the roter out and dropped it
Weird. How could a repair shop not know how to do this correctly AND not test the instrument before giving it back to the customer. Sheesh.
Chinese instruments= terrible workmanship.