Yea Christianity became a burden for me because I had to “maintain my salvation” but now my Christianity has been full of joy and fruitful because I now understand that my salvation is secured. It also makes me worship God.
@maxmateush7090 you dont understand losing salvation. Losing salvation doesnt have to do with any works. It has to do with rejection of Christ(blasphemy of the holy spirit) the only sin that cant be forgiven
It's not unfruitful to contemplate your salvation and if you are living right or need to repent and change. That's called examination of conscience. Modern Christians are so dumb.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me (John 6:39) that is God's will. Doesn't say that it will turn out that way. "whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life" I debate the word 'already'. The present tense greek verbs should be read as "whoever goes on hearing my word and goes on believing him who sent me has eternal life"
@@richardnewell8478so in essence you got to save yourself by your continual believing does Jesus save all at once or little by little did He die for all or only some sin if you got to do something it's not by GRACE but your WORKS. ROMANS 4:4-5
@@tommyjackson4205 Only what Jesus did saves us. According to Romans 10:9 we need to confess with our mouth and believe in our heart. Does that mean that by doing that we save ourselves? No, but we ARE required to make a choice. My point is that we also have to maintain that choice; continue to believe.
9:50 He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. This emphasizes that (1) God is faithful, and (2) it isn't completed until the day of Jesus Christ. It's pointing out what God is prepared to do, and doesn't say we can't go against it. 11:05 "On the fence". NOWHERE does it say these suggest people were "on the fence"; that is an argument you have to invent in order to make this compatible with OSAS. You can't fall away if you weren't born again. Compare with a similar passage in 2 Peter 2:20-22 People escape the corruption of the world thru Jesus Christ, then get entangled again and are overcome are worse off than at the beginning. Verse 22 talks about a sow that has washed clean, that isn't on the fence, that is washed clean, but returns to the mud. This explanation is entirely insufficient. As the guy admitted, the phrase sharing in the Holy Spirit IS problematic. 16:00 "I've never met someone who believes if you lost your salvation it can't be gained back." People don't want to believe that, but that's what scripture says. One particular sin isn't going to cause this as we all sin, that argument doesn't hold water. But a pattern of sin can change a person's heart to turn from God. At 16:50 they admit they don't like it, but on the other hand they don't have any scripture to back up their point of view. 23:50 "The one sin that will guarantee you damnation" why are we continually suggesting that one magical sin (apart from the unpardonable sin) will cause all of this condition? 2 Peter 2:20 talks about an entanglement, like a net. They end up being overcome. That doesn't sound like the result of a single sin.
I like ask if possible on this topic will you be will to be a host on a live to bring this to proof in My culture they are poisoning people's minds fearing them that they're going to lose salvation if they stop sending then they can make it to heaven and that is what my pastures are preaching and my culture and they've grown our people very cold and stubborn to anything new since the past 40 years
Some, but not all, of the people who describe themselves as "Free Gracers", do say that we are saved by faith alone, by which they mean, with no repentance involved, and they heavily condemn anyone who points out that Jesus took up John's ministry of repentance, and that He said "unless ye repent, ye shall likewise perish". Push it far enough, and you will be called a "condemned little Jesus follower"! Everyone who says anything called repentance is part of salvation, is preaching a works salvation, according to them. There are a few figures in the public eye who exemplify an even more extreme, grotesque parody of the grace of God: John Crowder, especially, comes to mind, but honestly, I think he's probably a deliberate, "false flag" against grace, trying to show us, we who believe in salvation by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus, how supposedly lawless ("antinomian") grace really is, and it simply is not what he's trying to make it seem, at all. What our old, sin natures could live with, our new nature, born of God, could not stand! We could have no fellowship with God at all, if we lived 100% according to our old natures. And that's even if we could live that way, yet we were truly saved. We also fear to live in a way that might prove that maybe we weren't saved. The fact that we care about losing our salvation, is evidence that we are saved, but it also means that we aren't trusting very much in Jesus's promise of "eternal", "everlasting" life. But the ones who threaten us, that we should have sinless perfection, or we're either not saved, or have lost our salvation: guys, John told us that if we say we have no sin, we lie, the truth is not in us, and we even make God a liar! Not good, so that simply cannot be what the Bible is teaching. By the way, for really good "teaching" about these issues, mainly, the issue of what Jesus did for us, look up the _humble,_ great hymn, "How Deep the Father's Love for Us", which I was listening to awhile ago. I wish we could still post and share URLs.
"Good tree bears Good fruit and bad tree bears bad tree, Good tree cant bear bad fruit and bad tree cant bear Good fruit" They can claim what they want, a Good tree or other wise a saved Christian who has passed through the Narrow Gate will not bear bad fruit but will bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
@@sadasd-n2f 5 ¶This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, *and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.* [*"Walking in the light"* is walking in *truth;* it does not mean walking in sinless perfection that we do not have. ] [We have to have some sins-stumblings, failures-to have those sins forgiven, don't we? God is not telling us that we are sinlessly perfect as Christians.] 8 *¶If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.* 9 *If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.* 10 *If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.*
@@lindajohnson4204 I dont understand your point, I used scripture to make it clear that no bad tree bears good fruit and no good tree bears bad fruit so your confusion of "free graces" must not exist anymore.
@@sadasd-n2f Jesus could not have meant that no believing Christian ever sins. Using Peter as the prime example, Jesus affirmed that Peter had eternal life, but later Peter stumbled, and even denied Jesus. Nowhere does Jesus banish Peter from the kingdom, or say that he was never saved. Very much to the contrary. What Jesus said about good trees and bad trees were general statements, which apply to believers, but we must be careful about how we apply them. Jesus would not have meant that we who believe in Him, never sin. So reading that into the verse, to condemn Christians when they sin, is not using the Bible honestly. There are all kinds of sins, including things that are relatively easy to avoid doing, but there are also those things that are hard and persistent. Things like pride and unbelief come back over and over, and we sometimes have to battle them more than once a day. We still have our sin nature, and you could even argue that it's like a bad tree. But we have the grace of God to help us deal with it, and our new nature, the indwelling Holy Spirit, and the promises of God. If Christians never sinned, not only would the apostles we have record of, be disqualified, but so would every Christian who ever lived. The devil likes that; he loves to misuse scripture to try to make it evil, to make salvation an impossibility, and to pit one verse against another, using accusations against the Bible like a crowbar to try to dismantle the faith. He uses accusations against us to try to drown us in despair, but it is done in contempt of Jesus's death on the cross, and the love He has for those who receive His gift. He said He would never leave us nor forsake us. He knew we wouldn't be sinlessly perfect, until we were no longer in these bodies, when we see Him.
@@lindajohnson4204 Christians sins, but their sins are all forgiven past present and future. Christians dont want to sin, they have a new heart and they are a new creation in Christ. God measures how much fruit you have produced as he makes it clear with the fig tree symbolism, not how many times you sinned. A non-saved person will not produce fruit and a True Saved Christian will produce fruit regardless and he will not be as before.
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the doctrine that i could lose my salvation led me to chronic introspection which made me unfruitful
Yea Christianity became a burden for me because I had to “maintain my salvation” but now my Christianity has been full of joy and fruitful because I now understand that my salvation is secured. It also makes me worship God.
@@maxmateush7090 Amen and praise the Lord. May you bear millionfold of fruits 💛🙌
@maxmateush7090 you dont understand losing salvation. Losing salvation doesnt have to do with any works. It has to do with rejection of Christ(blasphemy of the holy spirit) the only sin that cant be forgiven
It's not unfruitful to contemplate your salvation and if you are living right or need to repent and change. That's called examination of conscience. Modern Christians are so dumb.
@@caughtinthevoidfloyd5821Yes, losing salvation has to do with sin. You don't know what the heck your talking about.
Excellent video 👍🏼
"My Father's wish is that of all he has given me .... I lose none". Jesus said "whoever believes in him who sent me, already has eternal life".
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me (John 6:39) that is God's will. Doesn't say that it will turn out that way.
"whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life" I debate the word 'already'. The present tense greek verbs should be read as "whoever goes on hearing my word and goes on believing him who sent me has eternal life"
@@richardnewell8478so in essence you got to save yourself by your continual believing does Jesus save all at once or little by little did He die for all or only some sin if you got to do something it's not by GRACE but your WORKS.
ROMANS 4:4-5
@@tommyjackson4205 Only what Jesus did saves us. According to Romans 10:9 we need to confess with our mouth and believe in our heart. Does that mean that by doing that we save ourselves? No, but we ARE required to make a choice. My point is that we also have to maintain that choice; continue to believe.
@@richardnewell8478 well it would be up to us either way with what you are saying
@@richardnewell8478 YOU SAID WE MAINTAIN THAT CHOICE
Thankyou
9:50 He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. This emphasizes that (1) God is faithful, and (2) it isn't completed until the day of Jesus Christ. It's pointing out what God is prepared to do, and doesn't say we can't go against it.
11:05 "On the fence". NOWHERE does it say these suggest people were "on the fence"; that is an argument you have to invent in order to make this compatible with OSAS. You can't fall away if you weren't born again. Compare with a similar passage in 2 Peter 2:20-22 People escape the corruption of the world thru Jesus Christ, then get entangled again and are overcome are worse off than at the beginning. Verse 22 talks about a sow that has washed clean, that isn't on the fence, that is washed clean, but returns to the mud. This explanation is entirely insufficient. As the guy admitted, the phrase sharing in the Holy Spirit IS problematic.
16:00 "I've never met someone who believes if you lost your salvation it can't be gained back." People don't want to believe that, but that's what scripture says. One particular sin isn't going to cause this as we all sin, that argument doesn't hold water. But a pattern of sin can change a person's heart to turn from God. At 16:50 they admit they don't like it, but on the other hand they don't have any scripture to back up their point of view.
23:50 "The one sin that will guarantee you damnation" why are we continually suggesting that one magical sin (apart from the unpardonable sin) will cause all of this condition? 2 Peter 2:20 talks about an entanglement, like a net. They end up being overcome. That doesn't sound like the result of a single sin.
It only takes one sin to go right to hell. You better believe that.
I like ask if possible on this topic will you be will to be a host on a live to bring this to proof in My culture they are poisoning people's minds fearing them that they're going to lose salvation if they stop sending then they can make it to heaven and that is what my pastures are preaching and my culture and they've grown our people very cold and stubborn to anything new since the past 40 years
The author of Hebrews 6:4-6 took great lengths to describe a Christian in a manner that would not be confusing and yet here you are.
You knew the author of Hebrews?
@@iamishin7675 Second cousin 200 times removed.
Some, but not all, of the people who describe themselves as "Free Gracers", do say that we are saved by faith alone, by which they mean, with no repentance involved, and they heavily condemn anyone who points out that Jesus took up John's ministry of repentance, and that He said "unless ye repent, ye shall likewise perish". Push it far enough, and you will be called a "condemned little Jesus follower"! Everyone who says anything called repentance is part of salvation, is preaching a works salvation, according to them. There are a few figures in the public eye who exemplify an even more extreme, grotesque parody of the grace of God: John Crowder, especially, comes to mind, but honestly, I think he's probably a deliberate, "false flag" against grace, trying to show us, we who believe in salvation by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus, how supposedly lawless ("antinomian") grace really is, and it simply is not what he's trying to make it seem, at all. What our old, sin natures could live with, our new nature, born of God, could not stand! We could have no fellowship with God at all, if we lived 100% according to our old natures. And that's even if we could live that way, yet we were truly saved. We also fear to live in a way that might prove that maybe we weren't saved. The fact that we care about losing our salvation, is evidence that we are saved, but it also means that we aren't trusting very much in Jesus's promise of "eternal", "everlasting" life.
But the ones who threaten us, that we should have sinless perfection, or we're either not saved, or have lost our salvation: guys, John told us that if we say we have no sin, we lie, the truth is not in us, and we even make God a liar! Not good, so that simply cannot be what the Bible is teaching.
By the way, for really good "teaching" about these issues, mainly, the issue of what Jesus did for us, look up the _humble,_ great hymn, "How Deep the Father's Love for Us", which I was listening to awhile ago. I wish we could still post and share URLs.
"Good tree bears Good fruit and bad tree bears bad tree, Good tree cant bear bad fruit and bad tree cant bear Good fruit" They can claim what they want, a Good tree or other wise a saved Christian who has passed through the Narrow Gate will not bear bad fruit but will bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
@@sadasd-n2f
5 ¶This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, *and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.*
[*"Walking in the light"* is walking in *truth;* it does not mean walking in sinless perfection that we do not have. ]
[We have to have some sins-stumblings, failures-to have those sins forgiven, don't we? God is not telling us that we are sinlessly perfect as Christians.]
8 *¶If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.*
9 *If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.*
10 *If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.*
@@lindajohnson4204 I dont understand your point, I used scripture to make it clear that no bad tree bears good fruit and no good tree bears bad fruit so your confusion of "free graces" must not exist anymore.
@@sadasd-n2f Jesus could not have meant that no believing Christian ever sins. Using Peter as the prime example, Jesus affirmed that Peter had eternal life, but later Peter stumbled, and even denied Jesus. Nowhere does Jesus banish Peter from the kingdom, or say that he was never saved. Very much to the contrary. What Jesus said about good trees and bad trees were general statements, which apply to believers, but we must be careful about how we apply them. Jesus would not have meant that we who believe in Him, never sin. So reading that into the verse, to condemn Christians when they sin, is not using the Bible honestly.
There are all kinds of sins, including things that are relatively easy to avoid doing, but there are also those things that are hard and persistent. Things like pride and unbelief come back over and over, and we sometimes have to battle them more than once a day. We still have our sin nature, and you could even argue that it's like a bad tree. But we have the grace of God to help us deal with it, and our new nature, the indwelling Holy Spirit, and the promises of God. If Christians never sinned, not only would the apostles we have record of, be disqualified, but so would every Christian who ever lived. The devil likes that; he loves to misuse scripture to try to make it evil, to make salvation an impossibility, and to pit one verse against another, using accusations against the Bible like a crowbar to try to dismantle the faith. He uses accusations against us to try to drown us in despair, but it is done in contempt of Jesus's death on the cross, and the love He has for those who receive His gift. He said He would never leave us nor forsake us. He knew we wouldn't be sinlessly perfect, until we were no longer in these bodies, when we see Him.
@@lindajohnson4204 Christians sins, but their sins are all forgiven past present and future. Christians dont want to sin, they have a new heart and they are a new creation in Christ. God measures how much fruit you have produced as he makes it clear with the fig tree symbolism, not how many times you sinned. A non-saved person will not produce fruit and a True Saved Christian will produce fruit regardless and he will not be as before.
your forgetting Paul's letters....
They quote Paul *a lot*.
Like Romans 8? 😊