The fact that each AI is a separate machine mind on a separate USB blows my mind. I thought for sure this was just one AI controlling all 5 heroes. But no, they are all separate actually working together in strategy to win
Yes and no. You're wrong. It's the same brain cloned 5 times. So within it exists controls and knowledge about how and what it'd do with all 5 in a scenario.
@@Brotherbeef yes and no. They all think the same, but they nonetheless still have to react to each other and coordinate themselves in that way instead of there just being one controller who controls them all perfectly in unison.
Man, OpenAI must've seen that and concluded that it's a really good strategy/play. There could be many miniscule things we do that OpenAI sees as a part of a strategy for winning. It's really interesting seeing the AIs play.
is the AI play as a whole team or they got separate AI play each hero? I mean, if you could move a team with a single brain, i think it will increase the chance to execute a plan perfectly.
@@jamesdebenham7787 don't spread misinformation. it's 5 different AI (they all have the same coding and capabilities, since they copied open AI 5 times for each hero), but still each is separate.
For what I understand , this ai don't concluded anything, open ai don't think why it would do such a move, it only does the move that is more efficient based in a huge amount of games played
Search AlphaStar AI Starcraft II. Bit of background information, Most of the pros have 200-300 average APM with 400 peaks APM. So anyway there is a sub-play called Blink Stalker (A Unit in a game that can blink). And usually, it is just a mid-game strategy The AlphaStar abuse this strategy to the fullest with 1300 APM. blinking EVERY SINGLE stalker to dodge the attack of multiple enemies. The developer then cap the APM to just 300
Open ai favourite hero : sniper, gyro. The reason is simple on farming phase they have good projectile speed than other hero with combining with ai that maked easier to last hit and denied
Legend OpenAI says OG team specially Notail is still confusing about this whole move is it bait or not but topson says he will practice MK instead of saying anything bout this clip.
@@ZonZorZerx so you are a player who doesn't have mini map awareness or lack of communication with your team, OpenAI never ran to stay alive and used their spell wisely to wait for their teammates, its not only about AI even PRO did more insane clutch plays than this one..... Sorry if u are a player who got panicked ran away from fight without playing ur hero at full extend, used item or skill/spell at bad timing or bad at positioning ur hero in fight. LUCK only happens on humans not on OpenAI for them its all calculated.
@@tozanimeandgames.8187 Nah, I just have common sense and elementary logic. I didn't state the AI ran to stay alive to be able to use their spells, it ran to stay alive and it ran the most efficient way. Read again and try again. Like I said, it wasn't a bait from the AI. That's the whole point here, nothing to be confused about. If you are unable to comprehend the simplicity in how the AI acted here, I am not able to help you.
CM wasn't taunting nor baiting. Didn't conclude anything apart from efficiency. It didn't mean to bait-kill Topson, but Topson went aggressive deluxe even with WD and creeps behind, and then CM saw the opportunity. CM went the way most efficient to avoid Topson's hits.
I only just saw this and i also agree lol wtf. Thats not baiting, its just the AI acknowledging its still alive and can still cast spells/attack until its dead. Its probably not much more than the AI just playing it out low HP
Idk about now, but in the match in the video (years ago), openai had very limited hero pool (like only 15 heroes or something) and so both teams only played within that hero pool. I'd imagine 5 member combinations of 100+ heroes (also against the same thing - the opposing team) would require massive computing power
the scary part is that OpenAI could be much more optimized if it was trained more. In the 5on5 matches the bots showed unbeatable teamwork but their laning was a bit sus. If they trained long enough they could have 5 bots who lane like the 1on1 sf bot while also having unmached teamwork.
@@apenasumdoteiro1070 lol no after sumail figured out that bum he started to lose, if AI was so good where are they now? why havent we heard more from them?
@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh Last time i saw... OG got SMACKED by Open Ai, and they are 2 time TI winners. They got completely dominated and ruled over, right now, there is no better team than open ai.
@@apenasumdoteiro1070 yes last time was 1- 2 years ago?, and im only talking about 1 vs 1 mid, they figured out the AI and some pros starting to beat him, so what happened after that? AI went real quiet. AI running scared.
I wish openai was open to the public - maybe not the sauce code, but at least if we had even a glimpse of that for bot games i think Dota's overall skillcap would increase and it would be really cool
do you know what's the scariest part is? this openAi is done years ago, it's elon musk forgotten project but it's already complete and still developing
Not really. The problem with OpenAI is the very small hero pool. During the event the bots were trained for 10 heroes only. Edit- It took so insane amounts of compute to train the AI on 10 heroes. With 110 heroes the resources required will be immeasurable. These heroes were also hand-picked. The AI shits itself against Illusions, summon heroes, etc. So heroes like Naga, PL, TB, Lycan, BM etc can't even be considered. On top of that runes were disabled and other items such as raindrops, rapier, and maybe BKB etc were also left out. These small details have massive impact on the "meta" so unless items are allowed back into the game, and the AI learns to play the excluded heroes really well, I don't believe that this iteration of OpenAI can redefine the meta. The problem that OpenAI/OpenAI Five set out to solve was testing whether popular RL techniques can be extended to solve problems with insane dimesions and to see if the agents can be trained to learn the concept of "teamwork". In that respect, I believe the bots have proven they are successful. The problem of defining a meta is a completely different beast, imo, and these bots currently don't have the "creativity" to achieve that.
@@kartikeygupta8427 instead of "OpenAI" you could just say some AI and he's right, an AI would be able to figure the meta out immediatly. Of course there's no AI that advanced right now but in the future it's possible.
OpenAI basically makes a very simple moves into a grand scheme to grand flex their enemies, i mean come on their chemistry or team work potential just illegal. if this(OpenAI) continues to develop even the best team have to experience the hell hole experience when they match up against OpenAI, we talking about no miss play, no greedy approach, no gap in defense. Talking about getting 10/10 more like 10/5000
Don't forget that AI also the one that jebaited you and me to click on this videos. You can say it's your own decisions, but who gives you the options?
AI designed to be the perfect in everything. Thats why robot is kinda scary. They tend to do everything and they even calculated it and knew what's the outcome. Even Elon is afraid of AI even though he was the one who made it.
You'd need to retrain this AI with every patch to adapt to new metas or even make them for us. I'm betting that this AI is not making decisions based on winning but making decisions that leads to a greater winning condition.
Unfortunately though rich team in dota is practicing with this ai while other teams cannot. Even in dota there is supremacist, i do think only na and china will win dota because na and eu represents western power and origin of dota while china could win also because china is the biggest market.
meanwhile im still playing with absolute trash AI i cant even reach full 6 slots without my team already winning the game for me. My team literally 4v5s them entire game and still wins. Why cant the stupid AI be my team mates?
not like that bruh, i heard from eu coach thats OG never share their stats at scrim they just try some hero thats why they. have big pool hero at TI cz they know whats the hero can do
@@jingweicao7284 they lost 1 time (1 series if u will), and Haven't played against it as far as I know. After OpenAI beat the strongest team 5v5, the project is stopped and you can't get it anywhere else as far as I know.
Full video link skip the show match
www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit/v/1158196972?sr=a&t=3023s
No wonder cm getting nerf
top comment or riot
Kamil, ni aku adam.. haha.. x on dgn jon ke harini
Cm should only be allowed 3 inventory slots. This is too broken 😭
Dang tru
@@adamrozali peh , jumpa jgk kat sni
openAI pov : tip him, tip him
Lmaoooo they should add that in open ai 🤣🤣
And they gotta add appropriate kill quotes, here she could say "You're dead and that's a cold hard fact."
I still believe the OpenAI match gives tons of insights about game philosophy for OG that brings them that second aegis.
It does. Redbull hired OpenAI group for training.
@@b1tchdontwatch281 Omg cat, sure we are going to see, openAI similar style in this TI 10
@@b1tchdontwatch281 Damn that so op
@@CestTriggerFilmsUnorro not really. After ti9 like all major teams are hiring openai now.
Leo. OG already has 2 aegis.... They won TI 2 times
Getting called Ai in other games: 😭
Getting called OpenAi in Dota2: 💪😎
How can i get open ai?
Ai in Chess: "Am I a joke for you?"
This is the highest level of outplay ive ever seen.
Not only OpenAI played flawless strats, their micro was untouchable as well.
that tends to happen when you go up against a computer who is able to calculate damage, hp, movement speed and turn rate in less than a second.
@@mr.brightside7496 milliseconds*
pro players average 15000 games of dota 2. AI learned about millions of games.
ai in 2018: come up with optimal team strategy
ai in 2021: tilts the crap out of human players
They purposely use openAI CM to make her "look OP" and give them an excuse to nerf her.
next patch: CM can now only level up using Tome of Knowledge
The fact that each AI is a separate machine mind on a separate USB blows my mind. I thought for sure this was just one AI controlling all 5 heroes. But no, they are all separate actually working together in strategy to win
Yes and no. You're wrong. It's the same brain cloned 5 times. So within it exists controls and knowledge about how and what it'd do with all 5 in a scenario.
@@spacet1me interesting, so technically it might as well be operating under “one” ai
@@Brotherbeef yes and no. They all think the same, but they nonetheless still have to react to each other and coordinate themselves in that way instead of there just being one controller who controls them all perfectly in unison.
@@omegastar19 It's a hive?
Man, OpenAI must've seen that and concluded that it's a really good strategy/play. There could be many miniscule things we do that OpenAI sees as a part of a strategy for winning. It's really interesting seeing the AIs play.
makes you think about your own nature, when a learning algorithm uses our emotionally charged reactions and actions to strategize
is the AI play as a whole team or they got separate AI play each hero?
I mean, if you could move a team with a single brain, i think it will increase the chance to execute a plan perfectly.
@@friedburner6075 one AI plays whole team.
@@jamesdebenham7787 don't spread misinformation. it's 5 different AI (they all have the same coding and capabilities, since they copied open AI 5 times for each hero), but still each is separate.
For what I understand , this ai don't concluded anything, open ai don't think why it would do such a move, it only does the move that is more efficient based in a huge amount of games played
Watching openAI play is like watching all 5 paths of pain in action..
Почему не 6? Если ты о Наруто конечо
Funny how the comment section talking about how smart the AI is, u guys don’t see the fact that it’s the CM, not AI. Nerf CM -400 Movement Speed
Yeah bating is human i do it every morning
Master bater
Wow every morning! You must a be a master at it now.
would love to see a game of openAI playing heroes like PL, Meepo, Arc Warden, or watch it stat switch on Morphling
ai vs ai when
Search AlphaStar AI Starcraft II. Bit of background information, Most of the pros have 200-300 average APM with 400 peaks APM. So anyway there is a sub-play called Blink Stalker (A Unit in a game that can blink). And usually, it is just a mid-game strategy
The AlphaStar abuse this strategy to the fullest with 1300 APM. blinking EVERY SINGLE stalker to dodge the attack of multiple enemies.
The developer then cap the APM to just 300
Open ai favourite hero : sniper, gyro. The reason is simple on farming phase they have good projectile speed than other hero with combining with ai that maked easier to last hit and denied
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Legend OpenAI says OG team specially Notail is still confusing about this whole move is it bait or not but topson says he will practice MK instead of saying anything bout this clip.
Strange being confused here. Obviously not bait, AI just ran to stay alive and saw the opportunity when Topson went over-aggressive with WD in behind.
@@ZonZorZerx so you are a player who doesn't have mini map awareness or lack of communication with your team, OpenAI never ran to stay alive and used their spell wisely to wait for their teammates, its not only about AI even PRO did more insane clutch plays than this one..... Sorry if u are a player who got panicked ran away from fight without playing ur hero at full extend, used item or skill/spell at bad timing or bad at positioning ur hero in fight.
LUCK only happens on humans not on OpenAI for them its all calculated.
@@tozanimeandgames.8187 Nah, I just have common sense and elementary logic. I didn't state the AI ran to stay alive to be able to use their spells, it ran to stay alive and it ran the most efficient way. Read again and try again. Like I said, it wasn't a bait from the AI.
That's the whole point here, nothing to be confused about.
If you are unable to comprehend the simplicity in how the AI acted here, I am not able to help you.
R.I.P English Language
Omg cat, sure we are going to see, openAI similar style in this TI 10
Come to think of it, OpenAi is like a Hyperbolic Time Chamber for OG.
JOHAN TI HAIRSTYLE POOOG
CM wasn't taunting nor baiting. Didn't conclude anything apart from efficiency. It didn't mean to bait-kill Topson, but Topson went aggressive deluxe even with WD and creeps behind, and then CM saw the opportunity. CM went the way most efficient to avoid Topson's hits.
I only just saw this and i also agree lol wtf. Thats not baiting, its just the AI acknowledging its still alive and can still cast spells/attack until its dead. Its probably not much more than the AI just playing it out low HP
and where is the AI now? been real quiet....scared.
So this is how we all die? AI on different flash drives damn.
Fuck, i cant believe a bot can do plays like that
damn.. Why did, I got different kind of bot team8 in ranked.
OpenAI should be one of 18 teams to compete at TI10.
what if they win though? Where do u think the prize will go?
@@jeremyvillaverde8264 Elon Musk
Idk about now, but in the match in the video (years ago), openai had very limited hero pool (like only 15 heroes or something) and so both teams only played within that hero pool. I'd imagine 5 member combinations of 100+ heroes (also against the same thing - the opposing team) would require massive computing power
title of the full video of this?
link in the description
Is this a clip from some longer video? I would love to watch the full thing.
Skip the show match.
m.twitch.tv/videos/1158196972
the scary part is that OpenAI could be much more optimized if it was trained more. In the 5on5 matches the bots showed unbeatable teamwork but their laning was a bit sus. If they trained long enough they could have 5 bots who lane like the 1on1 sf bot while also having unmached teamwork.
"Sus"?
OpenAi has beaten all of the best midlaners in the world, if that is not laning phase control, i don't know what it is.
@@apenasumdoteiro1070 the 1v1 sf bot yes, but the 5v5 bots usually got outlaned mid until rotations and ganks happend
@@apenasumdoteiro1070 lol no after sumail figured out that bum he started to lose, if AI was so good where are they now? why havent we heard more from them?
@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh Last time i saw... OG got SMACKED by Open Ai, and they are 2 time TI winners. They got completely dominated and ruled over, right now, there is no better team than open ai.
@@apenasumdoteiro1070 yes last time was 1- 2 years ago?, and im only talking about 1 vs 1 mid, they figured out the AI and some pros starting to beat him, so what happened after that? AI went real quiet. AI running scared.
I wish openai was open to the public - maybe not the sauce code, but at least if we had even a glimpse of that for bot games i think Dota's overall skillcap would increase and it would be really cool
OpenAI takes too much processing power to play against.
What video is this clip from?
Meanwhile in ML, if you are noob, you are an a.i
do you know what's the scariest part is? this openAi is done years ago, it's elon musk forgotten project but it's already complete and still developing
i think open ai has seen this video already
Next patch: CM is a building hero. Can only tp to allied buildings with no movement speed at all.
+ she can't buy TP nor BOTs^^ so she gets to do it once :D
Show me what it can do with invoker
AI dont think they react. AI dont look on the map yet they know what all happen while we topson we need to look simultaneously.
Getting baited is human. The world does not care, we do.
If you think about it, Open ai can immediately dictate the meta in a patch since it can play multiple games at a time and learn from it
Not really. The problem with OpenAI is the very small hero pool. During the event the bots were trained for 10 heroes only.
Edit- It took so insane amounts of compute to train the AI on 10 heroes. With 110 heroes the resources required will be immeasurable. These heroes were also hand-picked. The AI shits itself against Illusions, summon heroes, etc. So heroes like Naga, PL, TB, Lycan, BM etc can't even be considered. On top of that runes were disabled and other items such as raindrops, rapier, and maybe BKB etc were also left out. These small details have massive impact on the "meta" so unless items are allowed back into the game, and the AI learns to play the excluded heroes really well, I don't believe that this iteration of OpenAI can redefine the meta. The problem that OpenAI/OpenAI Five set out to solve was testing whether popular RL techniques can be extended to solve problems with insane dimesions and to see if the agents can be trained to learn the concept of "teamwork". In that respect, I believe the bots have proven they are successful. The problem of defining a meta is a completely different beast, imo, and these bots currently don't have the "creativity" to achieve that.
@@kartikeygupta8427 instead of "OpenAI" you could just say some AI and he's right, an AI would be able to figure the meta out immediatly. Of course there's no AI that advanced right now but in the future it's possible.
I hope they can train invo
dont think that will happen anytime soon. Since AI has inhuman reaction times, some heroes and items will always seem super busted or super weak
If you add all the heroes to the pool it would take too long to train, training time doesn't scale linearly with complexity.
CM needs nerf as usual, maybe -10ms.
Isn't it called kiting?
missed a great opportunity to play the X-Files melody at the end :(
yeah
@@dailydota3382 I literally waited for it and heard Dota music, was actually disappointed.
Ceb look like Sergio marquina or the professor
Where to download pro AI?
they removed it maybe.
OpenAI basically makes a very simple moves into a grand scheme to grand flex their enemies, i mean come on their chemistry or team work potential just illegal. if this(OpenAI) continues to develop even the best team have to experience the hell hole experience when they match up against OpenAI, we talking about no miss play, no greedy approach, no gap in defense. Talking about getting 10/10 more like 10/5000
So where is the x-files music?!
let me know when we get close to getting ultron.
what the source for this video
ALREADY MENTIONED IN THE COMMENT SECTION
That's an insane use of invis wtf
where can we watch these OpenAI matches?
Link in the description you can search on RUclips aswell
OpenAI: wave wave👋
Open AI is like one player controlling all five heroes at the same time. That level of synchronization cannot be achieved by any human.
That's the point, 5 head with 5 brain
And it's reaction time is absute, not achievable by hu humans neither.
That is actually incorrect, OpenAI are 5 instances of the same AI not one AI controlling all five.
and here, the words spokes...AI might next step to take over whole universe............................
Hive mind
where is this from
from an Artificial Gamer documentary .
its like you're competing with 5 MiraLOL- 😳
Short hair Notail = 3rd aegis confirmed
How are you not gonna put the X files music as the outro
...
Where did u get this from ? Gimme link
Can anyone share a link to the full reaction video? or know what's the name of it? I can't find it.
me too wanna see full. please share , thanks
It's on BeyondTheSummit channel the title is "Artificial Gamer Preview - OG vs Beastcoast Showmatch & Documentary Screening" around 2hr timestamp
Where is this from??? I've been dying and scouring the fuckin Internet to see video of OG reacting and breaking down their OpenAI games.
its in TI8 OG vs Open AI cmiiw
@@xboctdono4496 i think what he mean was the commentary, i'd like to know too
When can I watch the full documentary
www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit/v/1158196972?sr=a&t=3023s
this is the birth of human extinction so what's next? terminator?
Does anyone know Elon Musk is one of the founder of OpenAI company.
I want to see full video pls help me
Dude tell me where i can watch the full video?
www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit/v/1158196972?sr=a&t=3023s
What is cm doing with the invi??? What item particularly?
Wow this is another reality, AI with better humans sense lol
Outplayed :)
Where can i watch this full guys?
www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit/v/1158196972?sr=a&t=3023s
Don't forget that AI also the one that jebaited you and me to click on this videos. You can say it's your own decisions, but who gives you the options?
Where can i watch this for full ? Any link please
Search OG vs OpenAI
@@ukput8y85 I only find the matches not Ceb watching replay and analyzing
@@ukput8y85 i mean, the reaction video
It's on BeyondTheSummit channel the title is "Artificial Gamer Preview - OG vs Beastcoast Showmatch & Documentary Screening" around 2hr timestamp
@@OtterShleep thanks a lot, hope ur day awesome
Could u please tell me where can I watch that whole original reaction video?
I've uploaded the link in the description .
@@dailydota3382 Thank you! I dont even know why I dont hit that show more button :3
i want that x file music at the end
How to play vs AI ?
why not make a TI that a genous programmers fights each other using 5v5 AI
where is this clip from?
Documentry
@@dailydota3382 Aahahahaha, so acurate ...
Did they play vs open ai recently?
chatgpt's early code 💀
Know why og win they learn openai move
And yall complain that cm keeps getting nerfed..look at this bait play she did just did!!! Nerf her ms
I mean... Every term is a human term, right?
nice intro ^^
OpenaAI: EZ
Let open ai control humanoid robot and play the game.
Should have ended with the X-files theme. Wasted opportunity.
bring OpenAI to TI stage again,,
Y NO X FILES MUSIC?
Stream ended there .
When Ai is on TI... iam gonna uninstal my dota imidiettely....
I want a moment from human... With the feeling of courage... And their family and tim
AI designed to be the perfect in everything. Thats why robot is kinda scary. They tend to do everything and they even calculated it and knew what's the outcome. Even Elon is afraid of AI even though he was the one who made it.
he was the one..really..? :D
He can make it.... but he’s not the one who made it.
You'd need to retrain this AI with every patch to adapt to new metas or even make them for us. I'm betting that this AI is not making decisions based on winning but making decisions that leads to a greater winning condition.
Also, the AI still had to play on a limited hero pool.
Unfortunately though rich team in dota is practicing with this ai while other teams cannot. Even in dota there is supremacist, i do think only na and china will win dota because na and eu represents western power and origin of dota while china could win also because china is the biggest market.
meanwhile im still playing with absolute trash AI i cant even reach full 6 slots without my team already winning the game for me. My team literally 4v5s them entire game and still wins. Why cant the stupid AI be my team mates?
Before TI9
Other Teams: Scrims against other Teams that Qualified TI9
OG: Scrims against Open AI
OG: 2 Time TI Champion
not like that bruh, i heard from eu coach thats OG never share their stats at scrim they just try some hero thats why they. have big pool hero at TI cz they know whats the hero can do
is this a new match against OG or the old happened 2 years ago?
Old, they have short hair but it's also possible they recently cut it lol but if you go on their social media, they still have long hair.
@@Linny95 thanks they lost to OpenAI twice if i remember correctly? OpenAI is even stronger now...
@@jingweicao7284 they lost 1 time (1 series if u will), and Haven't played against it as far as I know.
After OpenAI beat the strongest team 5v5, the project is stopped and you can't get it anywhere else as far as I know.
@@gorillaz9694 🙏 thanks for replying
@@jingweicao7284 I think it's impossible to win against AI now lol
What documentary is this?
www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit/v/1158196972?sr=a&t=3023s
open AI is like 5 man with 1 brain,the level is GODLIKE
openAi: ez game
I need to see topson's reaction 😆
openAI weakness is fog of wars team secret discovered it
Hope they give OPENAI script 😅
i really want to play bot match against them, really, it gonna be best practice xD
You'd get stomped
If your level is not close, its just gonna suck u out
If you're gonna get stomped cus the huge level gap, it will not be a good practice.
If u pass on 5v5 against them? The FINAL BOSS AWAITS SF 1v1 Against that AI 😯
GET REKT
Just quintuple lane down mid and push. Openai will never see it coming.
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