During Glamis they took a week off... I was chomping at the bit... But I'm completely satisfied with what they were preparing for us. It's been the tits.
after watching this i had to go try it, 10 minutes in i put my pro xp on its side. 20 minutes after rolling it back over. (no real damage) i tried again. All i can say is yall can have that challenge. doing rough maths i got to 52rpm and felt like i was going to rocket out of the rig..... this puts into perspective what the camera doesnt show on the force doug felt.. again, challenge accepted, but you guys can have that one.
You guys are literally my new favorite go to Vlog. Nobody can compete in your category! Thanks for filling my mornings with neverending laughs and positive energy!
Your wheel speed is what you are fighting. Thats why it tipped easier on ice. Wheel speed is causing the gyroscope effect so even tho the CF1 was rotating slower the wheels were spinning faster causing it to lift. Lighter tires will help a lot as well as what you guys figured out about not going wide open throttle.
CORIOLIS FORCE!! Basically the rotation rpm multiplied by wheel rpm will be proportional to a torque trying to flip the RS1. What you should try is the faster you spin, the slower you want to spin the wheels. Ease off on the throttle the faster you spin and try it again on ice. Good luck. BTW, here is the Wikipedia article on this effect en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force
I should mention that this Coriolis force or torque is the unexpected torque that occurs when you're frame of reference (the RS1 and you) are spinning in one direction and you attempt to rotate something within that frame of reference (the wheels). Another way to look at this is conservation of angular momentum. You can consider the wheels angular momentum (spinning weight) and attempt to rotate them in a different direction (spinning the whole RS1, complete with the wheels). The Coriolis force is considered an unexpected force or torque, while conservation of angular momentum is considered an expected torque that results from trying to rotate something perpendicular to the direction it is already rotating. To the person riding and rotating along with the RS1, this should probably be considered Coriolis, but to an outside observer it should be considered conservation of angular momentum. Search RUclips for spinning wheel on a chair or similar terms to see it the other way.
When I learnt this stuff 30+ years ago I always wanted to understand things from the basics instead of just memorizing vector dot products. Here is what I consider the basics behind this effect.... Most of us remember Newton's first law that things will remain in straight line motion unless acted upon by a force. Now in your mind break down an RS1 wheel into lumps of mass spinning around an axle. Consider the lump at the top moving forwards. Because the RS1 is spinning to the left, that lump needs to be steered to the left to follow its path (it follows a curved path of travel). This means a force needs to be applied to the top of the wheel pushing to the left. The lump of mass representing the bottom of the wheel is moving to the rear and because the RS1 is spinning to the left that lump off mass needs to be pushed to the right (its path of travel curves in the opposite direction to the top of the wheel). Newton's 3rd law states for every action there is a reaction so in order to push the top of the wheel to the left, the wheel imparts a force on the RS1 at the top of each wheel to the right. Ultimately the result is the top half of each wheel pushes the RS1 to the right and the bottom half of each wheel pushes to the left. This pair of forces tries to make the left side of the RS1 go up in the air and then right side pushes harder into the ground. Ultimately the faster the wheels and RS1 are spinning, the bigger the torque trying to flip the RS1 becomes. Since we want to maximize the spinning of the RS1 we have the following options: - slow down the wheel rpm - move the right side wheels farther out (as was tried) - add weight to the left side of the RS1 - move weight to the left side (eg sit or learn more towards the left). - lighten the wheels - install smaller diameter wheels (the slows the wheel speed at the edge of the wheel). - lean the RS1 to the left (this is to help move a bit of weight to the left). Unfortunately lowering the RS1 or stiffening the suspension won't really help. Also improving traction only helps because it slows down the wheel rpm. Spinning is maximized with less traction so doing this on ice but with less throttle should be better than doing it on grippier ground. Good luck and be safe (don't pass out of fall off)!
"Im going into a place where you aren't going to be able to reach me" LMAO...Doug you are a super hero!! And yes that was year 2065 in the background at full cyclone, your folding fabrics of time Dougie!!! Great job guys we needed this LOL🤘🤙
I believe that on the ice the wheel speed is a lot higher and the greater gyroscopic effects from the wheels spinning on a different axis than the machine is spinning is causing it to lift.
I totally agree, smaller lighter tires (that thick tread versus sidewall) is greatly increasing the angular momentum causing lift through the axles to the frame. cant slow down the wheels but you can lighten the tires and shrink the radius from the axles---greatly reducing the resulting torque and angular momentum. 3 in smaller diameter and a few pounds per tire is a multiplicative reduction in that lifting force. So we know theres more speed to be had safely (relatively)
@@bigwheel9132 I'm not good at explaining things so I won't try. If you want to understand why and actually learn something then look up for yourself what happens when you change the axis of a gyroscope. courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-osuniversityphysics/chapter/11-3-precession-of-a-gyroscope/
It's a combination of angular momentum from the wheels and to a lesser extent the friction between the wheels and the ground that creates the lifting force. If we assume that the diffs are locked and all four wheels are spinning at the same speed, all wheels are creating an equal amount of lifting torque along the axis of wheel rotation. That said, the rear wheels are trying to flip it straight to the side while the front wheels are trying to flip it both forward and to the side. At a 45 degree steering angle, the force to the side is about 71% (cos45) of what the rear wheels are contributing. So DON'T try to straighten out the steering while spinning! There's a big difference between how much each wheels is contributing to the spinning motion and reducing the ground friction. In a left turn, the FR wheel is by far the biggest contributor and the RL the smallest. FL and RR has a similar angular offset towards the center, but RR has a bigger impact of the friction and is placed behind the CG in a F-R perspective, therefore it's a more important contributor if we could vary the wheel speeds individually. If open differentials are used, the left side wheels will spin faster for no good. That brings us to the next topic, G-forces. It is important that the driver is placed as close as possible to the center of rotation. The G-force at 1 ft radius at 100 rpm is 3.4. Double the distance and it will double the force, or double the speed and it will quadruple the force. So how to increase the speed? - Keep wheel speeds down, let the build up take a longer time. The lake might be worth another shot. - Lighter wheels. - Lower the CG, not a huge contributor while spinning, but it gives you a bigger margin when it starts to lift. - Increase maximum steering angle. - Adjust toe settings in the rear, out on the right side, in on the left side. - Add mass on the left side. - Make it even wider. - Locked diffs - With locked diffs, remove the left side driveshafts. - Counter rotating gyroscope. Before you do anything stupid, make sure to install a remote kill switch. If you make any major modifications, ease into the spins and make sure that the driver position is well centered, the g-forces could escalate quickly. Stay safe!
And don’t forget to have Head trauma unit on speed dial! With these mods the machine will squeeze what’s on your inside to one direction rapidly. Godspeed!
Learned in an old subaru at the riverbank near my hometown: throttle blipping, on and off the gas makes you spin infinitely faster. Though, I didn't have to worry about rolling the suby!
Did this with an Audi Quattro in the snow. Never again. Not even riding the tea cups at the fair after that. And i probably werent even close to those revs. Well done man.
Pretty happy to see an ATV slide into the shop... been hoping there would be some of that coming one day 👍🏻 I realize it’s SXSblog not atv but there not much out there in the way of a good ATV related channel like yours is with SXS’s
Guys,,,, i watched this as soon as you came out with it!!! I have seen 4 different vids with others challenging you.... NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!! Lmao!!! You guys set the bars buds!!!!
Well I think Doug is right about gyro forces coming into effect. Every mechanical piece of that machine is spinning inline with the machine. Like holding a bicycle wheel and spinning it, and trying to turn it sideways, it wants to lean over instead. Magnified by a ton in this example with how much mechanical weight is spinning!
YUP !! I planned to leave the same type of comment. You just know some young rich kid is gonna try to take on the challenge to impress his teenager buddies and will get seriously hurt or die. Then daddy warbucks is gonna pay his fancy suit lawyer to sue the SXS Blog guys for $100 million claiming they caused the whole shebang.
This day and age man makes me scratch my head wondering what will I see next and who's gonna get blamed for it. IMO it's sad really! Stay safe in this crazy world we live in and keep it real.
I think the gyroscopic action of the wheels spinning so fast on ice is what it caused it to lift up. So there is a certain wheel speed you have to stay below in order to accelerate the spin to the fastest rate possible. I think it will be more a matter of how long Doug can last at a given throttle input while spinning more than how much throttle to apply accelerate slowly up to maximum rpm. War of attrition.
WOW !!!!!! The RS1 really makes Doug look like a professional... LOL .. but for real Y'all Doug is the Man !!! he has " Ain't Scared " TATTOOed across both ass chicks. The channel NEVER disappoints appreciate each one of you.... Be safe out there and stay warm !!!!!!!!
If you guys try it again on the ice watch the speedo try keeping it at like 45 mph. The gyroscopic force from the high wheel speed is what makes it lift up like that I just try to ease into it like Doug did by the shop
Dude @25:00 it look like he Fast forwarded it!! And the zoom in on Dougs eyes i cant even god i love this channel Lmaoo Anyway to measure how many G forces that is?? It has to be wild
I wish you guys had a place we could send fan mail. You have such a supportive set of watchers that people will really want to send you cool stuff for your machines and stuff around the shop.
The pull up during cyclone is from the outer tires decreasing radius in the ice groove creating an center axis squeeze force greater that the weight of the machine.
The heavier the tire the more gyroscope effect that is occurring on the machine. I would be willing to bet it tries to lift around the same wheel speed every time. One of the reasons it was lifting earlier on the ice was because of less traction lets the wheel speed shoot up. Try some lighter tires back out on the ice, lighter = less force.
After seeing this the next day I went out and tried to cyclone it was so crazy I sent an email to you guys with some video of it maybe you can tell me how fast I was going
You guys rule!!! I hope I hit the lottery tonight 625 million and I will defffffff send you guys some cha ching!!! I bought a 2021 Talon x4 a couple of months ago because I watch you guys all the time!!! Third day I tipped it doing donuts but you know HONDA!!! She still rips didnt hert her at all!!! lol
Epic ! Sous was onto something at the pond, lose the roof before next try, lose the lift. You will black-out doing this at some point, make sure you don't get hung up in the throttle. Get a ignition interrupter from Cracken, don't give the controller to Sous. Priceless.
I think I can explain this. Those look like some pretty heavy wheels and they're zinging along. I think what's going on is gyroscopic procession. Because you're in a flat spin that is perpendicular to the rotation of the wheels it causes a moment torque that wants to lift the machine up in that direction.
As a physicist I can say think you are on to something. It makes sense with the lower rpm on glaze ice as well as the lower traction will result in more wheel speed at a relatively lower rotational speed. This is a tough problem since you want to minimize traction to reduce the drag on the flat spin, but maximize the traction to get the most spin with the least wheel speed. Lighter, smaller tires would help alot as well.
@@Skwisgar2322 Doug mentioned that when he would try to increase the wheel speed that's when it would happen. So, it would make sense that the higher RPM was adding extra inertia causing it to tip up like that. On the ice adding wheel speed didn't necessarily increase the rotation speed of the flat spin but on ground adding more throttle typically did translate into more donut speed.
Going up north yesterday go babe look at that building be dope to build a shop in... this morning I’m watching the video y’all doing donuts next to the hw, I see the same shop! Y’all just a round the corner! Love the vids, see y’all around 🤙🏻
So I think I have an idea on what is causing the machine to pick the tires up. The tires are acting like a gyroscope. They are trying to move the machine and the faster they spin the worse it will be. You need lower mass on the tires/wheels so they have less gyroscope effect. I would say drop to the smallest lightest tires you can find. It should help a ton. If ya need anymore science stuff, hit me up.
When it was lifting on the ice its called "intermediate axis theorem" if you rotate an object around its largest and smallest axes, it will spin in a stable, consistent manner. But if you rotate it on an intermediate axis or if the center of axis is changed do to the increasing spinning in this case, the rotation becomes unstable. It's neat that it seams to have only done it on the pond ice.
Measure the G’s!! In 98 I had a 200hp Ford Escort RS Turbo. Fwd. I put rally ice tires in the front and bald rear tires. Went out the ice. 4th gear about 100mph. Flick it, down to third and pedal to the metal and did pirouettes about 400m. I was pinned to the seat because of the massive G’s I pulled! My friend was like “STOP!!!!” When I stopped it felt like we was standing up in the air like a wheelie!!! GREAT TIMES!!!!!! With fwd you get some sort of flicking. Try it out
You need to use the lightest lowest profile wheel and tire combination possible. I believe the wheels are acting as gyroscopes and causing the machine to want to roll because they are being forced to rotate on a different axis at a high rate. The ice allowed them to spin faster thus creating a higher gyroscopic effect. You need to find the sweet spot of lowest wheel speed that will still rotate the machine. Also Doug you’re a badass!
Think you can beat us!? BRING IT!
Man I am dizzy just thinking about being in the RS1! Wow!
I don't think my 900 trail (50") is wide enough
cboyztv let's goo boyz
real question is do i have the balls to try it in my x3
Also wants to flip cause you took the suspension flex out which helps out alot
Best part is how doug thanks everyone and actually shows the appreciation! Never gets old
We are very appreciative, we honestly can't do this stuff without you guys!
@@SXSBlog For sure! Love the content. All the machines are sick units there. Keep it up 📈
Doug seems to be one hell of a decent guy, all of them seem awesome. Hope to meet the crew in person someday.
@@FreedomotorsportsLlc I met them all in 2019 at there race day overall great people if your around Michigan I'd definitely try and make it to one
@@jamesworkman686 im in pennsylvania but sounds good
3 more RPM's and Dougie is going back in time...lmao! When he stops spinning he'll be climbing out of a Honda Odyssey
Hahahaha that's great
👍😝👍
Bahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!
Lol that was a good one
Ohhhhhh great idea.... odyssey build with new technology...............
History!
Walterrific stopped bye! Cool!
Didn't think I'd see piano man out here.
Hey Walter love the content
man the sxs boys have been killing it with the uploads lately
big upload guys these guys are
During Glamis they took a week off... I was chomping at the bit...
But I'm completely satisfied with what they were preparing for us. It's been the tits.
'preciate ya
@@SXSBlog but everyone did have 2jz out on the tube before you guys i was devo i just wanted see your clips first haha
after watching this i had to go try it, 10 minutes in i put my pro xp on its side. 20 minutes after rolling it back over. (no real damage) i tried again. All i can say is yall can have that challenge. doing rough maths i got to 52rpm and felt like i was going to rocket out of the rig..... this puts into perspective what the camera doesnt show on the force doug felt.. again, challenge accepted, but you guys can have that one.
I can see ol cleeter trying this with soap at the freedom factory
That’s not a bad idea honestly
That's a great idea! Worlds biggest skid pad + soap... lol, they should have a multiple car demolition derby on soap so noone has traction
He can try and bring it... Good luck 😎
Haha hell ya brother I pray he does sxs blog set the bar pretty high with the "burning right". #cleetcantbeat
I don’t want to see what happens when the soap gets ripped off the asphalt lol
Now that's classic SXSBLOG shenanigans! Hell yeah!
Yup, you nailed it. This is what I needed today.
We all needed this lol
You guys are literally my new favorite go to Vlog. Nobody can compete in your category! Thanks for filling my mornings with neverending laughs and positive energy!
Your wheel speed is what you are fighting. Thats why it tipped easier on ice. Wheel speed is causing the gyroscope effect so even tho the CF1 was rotating slower the wheels were spinning faster causing it to lift. Lighter tires will help a lot as well as what you guys figured out about not going wide open throttle.
The calculations were really interesting, cool to see the different strengths of the team. Good shit Leo. 👌👌
CORIOLIS FORCE!!
Basically the rotation rpm multiplied by wheel rpm will be proportional to a torque trying to flip the RS1.
What you should try is the faster you spin, the slower you want to spin the wheels. Ease off on the throttle the faster you spin and try it again on ice.
Good luck.
BTW, here is the Wikipedia article on this effect en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force
I should mention that this Coriolis force or torque is the unexpected torque that occurs when you're frame of reference (the RS1 and you) are spinning in one direction and you attempt to rotate something within that frame of reference (the wheels).
Another way to look at this is conservation of angular momentum. You can consider the wheels angular momentum (spinning weight) and attempt to rotate them in a different direction (spinning the whole RS1, complete with the wheels).
The Coriolis force is considered an unexpected force or torque, while conservation of angular momentum is considered an expected torque that results from trying to rotate something perpendicular to the direction it is already rotating.
To the person riding and rotating along with the RS1, this should probably be considered Coriolis, but to an outside observer it should be considered conservation of angular momentum.
Search RUclips for spinning wheel on a chair or similar terms to see it the other way.
When I learnt this stuff 30+ years ago I always wanted to understand things from the basics instead of just memorizing vector dot products. Here is what I consider the basics behind this effect....
Most of us remember Newton's first law that things will remain in straight line motion unless acted upon by a force.
Now in your mind break down an RS1 wheel into lumps of mass spinning around an axle. Consider the lump at the top moving forwards. Because the RS1 is spinning to the left, that lump needs to be steered to the left to follow its path (it follows a curved path of travel). This means a force needs to be applied to the top of the wheel pushing to the left.
The lump of mass representing the bottom of the wheel is moving to the rear and because the RS1 is spinning to the left that lump off mass needs to be pushed to the right (its path of travel curves in the opposite direction to the top of the wheel).
Newton's 3rd law states for every action there is a reaction so in order to push the top of the wheel to the left, the wheel imparts a force on the RS1 at the top of each wheel to the right.
Ultimately the result is the top half of each wheel pushes the RS1 to the right and the bottom half of each wheel pushes to the left. This pair of forces tries to make the left side of the RS1 go up in the air and then right side pushes harder into the ground.
Ultimately the faster the wheels and RS1 are spinning, the bigger the torque trying to flip the RS1 becomes. Since we want to maximize the spinning of the RS1 we have the following options:
- slow down the wheel rpm
- move the right side wheels farther out (as was tried)
- add weight to the left side of the RS1
- move weight to the left side (eg sit or learn more towards the left).
- lighten the wheels
- install smaller diameter wheels (the slows the wheel speed at the edge of the wheel).
- lean the RS1 to the left (this is to help move a bit of weight to the left).
Unfortunately lowering the RS1 or stiffening the suspension won't really help. Also improving traction only helps because it slows down the wheel rpm. Spinning is maximized with less traction so doing this on ice but with less throttle should be better than doing it on grippier ground.
Good luck and be safe (don't pass out of fall off)!
“Whistling diesel stuff” lmao that actually made me laugh pretty good! Good stuff guys, keep it up!
I caught that too
"Im going into a place where you aren't going to be able to reach me" LMAO...Doug you are a super hero!! And yes that was year 2065 in the background at full cyclone, your folding fabrics of time Dougie!!! Great job guys we needed this LOL🤘🤙
I believe that on the ice the wheel speed is a lot higher and the greater gyroscopic effects from the wheels spinning on a different axis than the machine is spinning is causing it to lift.
Bingo!
This is exactly what is happening, the wheel speed is too high and the vehicle is too light in comparison to the size and weight of the tires.
I totally agree, smaller lighter tires (that thick tread versus sidewall) is greatly increasing the angular momentum causing lift through the axles to the frame. cant slow down the wheels but you can lighten the tires and shrink the radius from the axles---greatly reducing the resulting torque and angular momentum. 3 in smaller diameter and a few pounds per tire is a multiplicative reduction in that lifting force. So we know theres more speed to be had safely (relatively)
Except the gyroscopic effect would, by definition, INCREASE stability. You get points for “sounding smart” though, so that’s something I guess.
@@bigwheel9132 I'm not good at explaining things so I won't try. If you want to understand why and actually learn something then look up for yourself what happens when you change the axis of a gyroscope. courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-osuniversityphysics/chapter/11-3-precession-of-a-gyroscope/
Doug laughing maniacally after first driving the lowered rzr had me cackling as well.
Michigan’s Larry the Enticer!
JUST GONNA SENNNDDDD ITTTT!!! LOL
Anybody else notice the board when he was going over the RPM’s with Doug?? 😂
Just ignore the list.... Nothing to see here lol
Yep big things come!
Rocket in flight! 😂😂
The beans and frank at 30:03 us boys will never grow up
Reminds me of the white board on Silicon Valley......Middle Out with optimal tip to tip efficiency.
Why is Doug so anti-potato? First doesn't like hash browns and now doesn't finish his fries?!
Just ain't right
You could lube a whole car with those hashbrowns
@@llamacebu216 I could refill a whole fryer with the grease off of them
Could use that oil to change my 6.0L out
This was freaking hilarious. Best channel and best bunch of guys out there.
That was awesome! Doug was on the edge that last run!
It's a combination of angular momentum from the wheels and to a lesser extent the friction between the wheels and the ground that creates the lifting force.
If we assume that the diffs are locked and all four wheels are spinning at the same speed, all wheels are creating an equal amount of lifting torque along the axis of wheel rotation. That said, the rear wheels are trying to flip it straight to the side while the front wheels are trying to flip it both forward and to the side. At a 45 degree steering angle, the force to the side is about 71% (cos45) of what the rear wheels are contributing. So DON'T try to straighten out the steering while spinning!
There's a big difference between how much each wheels is contributing to the spinning motion and reducing the ground friction. In a left turn, the FR wheel is by far the biggest contributor and the RL the smallest. FL and RR has a similar angular offset towards the center, but RR has a bigger impact of the friction and is placed behind the CG in a F-R perspective, therefore it's a more important contributor if we could vary the wheel speeds individually. If open differentials are used, the left side wheels will spin faster for no good.
That brings us to the next topic, G-forces. It is important that the driver is placed as close as possible to the center of rotation. The G-force at 1 ft radius at 100 rpm is 3.4. Double the distance and it will double the force, or double the speed and it will quadruple the force.
So how to increase the speed?
- Keep wheel speeds down, let the build up take a longer time. The lake might be worth another shot.
- Lighter wheels.
- Lower the CG, not a huge contributor while spinning, but it gives you a bigger margin when it starts to lift.
- Increase maximum steering angle.
- Adjust toe settings in the rear, out on the right side, in on the left side.
- Add mass on the left side.
- Make it even wider.
- Locked diffs
- With locked diffs, remove the left side driveshafts.
- Counter rotating gyroscope.
Before you do anything stupid, make sure to install a remote kill switch. If you make any major modifications, ease into the spins and make sure that the driver position is well centered, the g-forces could escalate quickly.
Stay safe!
And don’t forget to have Head trauma unit on speed dial!
With these mods the machine will squeeze what’s on your inside to one direction rapidly. Godspeed!
How many G's will hurt or kill a human?
Nick said “8 inches in rear” hell yea”. Could of sworn someone would of jumped on that!
Some badass videos lately fellas! Keep it up!!
Learned in an old subaru at the riverbank near my hometown: throttle blipping, on and off the gas makes you spin infinitely faster. Though, I didn't have to worry about rolling the suby!
TBH you guys have helped make this pandemic survivable. I hope you show up to the Cleetus and Cars in Indy, I’ll be there and wanna shake your hands!
I guess you forgot COVID is still a thing? Don’t shake hands bro
Is it “side-by-side” being a single seater?...
Did this with an Audi Quattro in the snow.
Never again. Not even riding the tea cups at the fair after that.
And i probably werent even close to those revs.
Well done man.
Damn Nick was stroking out for a second lmao
hahahahahaha
He almost went into tickle attack mode. You think I’m making this shit up?
Pretty happy to see an ATV slide into the shop... been hoping there would be some of that coming one day 👍🏻 I realize it’s SXSblog not atv but there not much out there in the way of a good ATV related channel like yours is with SXS’s
*gets brand new shocks*
"Let's ratchet strap them against their limit"🤣
Guys,,,, i watched this as soon as you came out with it!!! I have seen 4 different vids with others challenging you.... NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!! Lmao!!! You guys set the bars buds!!!!
Just starting watching. Thank you guys ahead. I hope I don't see Big Macs and Quarter Pounders chuncks flying out of the rs1
Hahaha naw
Well I think Doug is right about gyro forces coming into effect. Every mechanical piece of that machine is spinning inline with the machine. Like holding a bicycle wheel and spinning it, and trying to turn it sideways, it wants to lean over instead. Magnified by a ton in this example with how much mechanical weight is spinning!
LMAO!!! YOU BETTER GET A FRIGGIN DISCLAIMER ON THIS VID RIGHT NOW! YOU CAN THANK ME LATER! HAHA
YUP !! I planned to leave the same type of comment.
You just know some young rich kid is gonna try to take on the challenge to impress his teenager buddies and will get seriously hurt or die.
Then daddy warbucks is gonna pay his fancy suit lawyer to sue the SXS Blog guys for $100 million claiming they caused the whole shebang.
This day and age man makes me scratch my head wondering what will I see next and who's gonna get blamed for it. IMO it's sad really! Stay safe in this crazy world we live in and keep it real.
You guys are EPIC! Thanks for always having great content!!! Way to go Doug!
I think the gyroscopic action of the wheels spinning so fast on ice is what it caused it to lift up. So there is a certain wheel speed you have to stay below in order to accelerate the spin to the fastest rate possible. I think it will be more a matter of how long Doug can last at a given throttle input while spinning more than how much throttle to apply accelerate slowly up to maximum rpm. War of attrition.
Funniest episode yet. Lmao. Doug "I'm going to a place doing that where I don't think your going to be able to communicate"
WOW !!!!!! The RS1 really makes Doug look like a professional... LOL .. but for real Y'all Doug is the Man !!! he has " Ain't Scared " TATTOOed across both ass chicks. The channel NEVER disappoints appreciate each one of you.... Be safe out there and stay warm !!!!!!!!
Best part is actually how long that air filter smoldered for 😂😂 after the 90 rpm cyclone it was still smokin 😂
Ahh the old mount the seat on a truck rear axle spindle and pull it by a SXS training. Good luck Doug 👍
Great laughs and you held down your lunch.
Omg I don’t know why I find that so entertaining but I would laugh every time he would do it 😂🤣😂
Damn good math Leo
76rpm....
“That’s more than one a second!”
Haha genius!
If you guys try it again on the ice watch the speedo try keeping it at like 45 mph. The gyroscopic force from the high wheel speed is what makes it lift up like that I just try to ease into it like Doug did by the shop
Freakin love you guys!
You set the bar high brother. The rs1 kills it every time. And of course Doug as the pilot. Awesome guys
Dude @25:00 it look like he Fast forwarded it!! And the zoom in on Dougs eyes i cant even god i love this channel Lmaoo
Anyway to measure how many G forces that is?? It has to be wild
I dont thing Doug would have experienced high Gs because he's positioned so close to the axis.
@@92greensho gotcha that definitely makes sense, he is dead center basically. Imagine if it was a 2 seater and had a passenger hahaha
@@mericafreedomland3583 that would be wild!
@@92greensho oh shit frigg a 2 seater what about a 4 seater thats prolly to much weight and top heavy id imagine
It's a lot more than you think, wish we had a good way to measure it
Absolute beast!!!! Thanks for the great video.
It literally doesnt even look real its so fast lol loooks fun
I wish you guys had a place we could send fan mail. You have such a supportive set of watchers that people will really want to send you cool stuff for your machines and stuff around the shop.
At 100 he would drop into the quantum realm. Tell the Avengers “Sup” from me!
Haha
The pull up during cyclone is from the outer tires decreasing radius in the ice groove creating an center axis squeeze force greater that the weight of the machine.
Damn! Y'all are gonna have heart attacks by 40 the way you get after that McDonald's! Lol
Big facts...
I’m predicting within 5 years they convert fully to a fitness channel 😂
@@Cgny 😭
I quote.... " Your not wrong" 😂
McDonalds i such shitty food...
This is beautiful. Everything you need out of a video. Great job guys!
I laughed so hard during this video lol. That was sick tho crazy fast!
That is gonna be super hard to beat, that thing is rippin spins!
Do it again and get an air horn so when his tires lift you can blast it and when he hears it he knows to let off
The heavier the tire the more gyroscope effect that is occurring on the machine. I would be willing to bet it tries to lift around the same wheel speed every time. One of the reasons it was lifting earlier on the ice was because of less traction lets the wheel speed shoot up. Try some lighter tires back out on the ice, lighter = less force.
To increase the rpm you'll need all 4 tires to have the same weight. Scale it.
And smaller wheels
Hmm interesting
Lower CG= good, no suspension travel = bad, try and get both!
Holy shit I’m crying lol Sous at 28:07 with the the ole turtle move!!! 😂😂😂😂
This call out is going to cause so many damaged SXS's around the world!
I wish I could work with my friends and get paid to have fun. Awesome video.
28:22 race unit air filter still smoldering in the background
Thank you guys for the channel and the great videos you make.
After seeing this the next day I went out and tried to cyclone it was so crazy I sent an email to you guys with some video of it maybe you can tell me how fast I was going
Doug definitely has a big PAIR, that looks sketchy AF. Great job guys loving the content as always 👊🏼🙏
Try keeping the steering straight once in the spin.
You guys rule!!! I hope I hit the lottery tonight 625 million and I will defffffff send you guys some cha ching!!! I bought a 2021 Talon x4 a couple of months ago because I watch you guys all the time!!! Third day I tipped it doing donuts but you know HONDA!!! She still rips didnt hert her at all!!! lol
Can you do some more videos on the turbo talon
Epic ! Sous was onto something at the pond, lose the roof before next try, lose the lift. You will black-out doing this at some point, make sure you don't get hung up in the throttle. Get a ignition interrupter from Cracken, don't give the controller to Sous. Priceless.
I think I can explain this. Those look like some pretty heavy wheels and they're zinging along. I think what's going on is gyroscopic procession. Because you're in a flat spin that is perpendicular to the rotation of the wheels it causes a moment torque that wants to lift the machine up in that direction.
Mr. science!!
As a physicist I can say think you are on to something. It makes sense with the lower rpm on glaze ice as well as the lower traction will result in more wheel speed at a relatively lower rotational speed. This is a tough problem since you want to minimize traction to reduce the drag on the flat spin, but maximize the traction to get the most spin with the least wheel speed. Lighter, smaller tires would help alot as well.
@@Skwisgar2322 Doug mentioned that when he would try to increase the wheel speed that's when it would happen. So, it would make sense that the higher RPM was adding extra inertia causing it to tip up like that. On the ice adding wheel speed didn't necessarily increase the rotation speed of the flat spin but on ground adding more throttle typically did translate into more donut speed.
I love when smart people leave comments like this
WOW!! Talk about dizzy. Killing it guys!!
Brought tears to my eyes, some of the funniest shit I've ever seen!
Great vid. Great job Doug and crew. God Bless
yall need a mcdonalds sponsorship!!! love you guys
Going up north yesterday go babe look at that building be dope to build a shop in... this morning I’m watching the video y’all doing donuts next to the hw, I see the same shop! Y’all just a round the corner! Love the vids, see y’all around 🤙🏻
My rough estimate of the number of Gs his head is receiving is 3 assuming 100 rpm and a radius of spin of 1 foot.
He should wear a Hans device!!
Holly crap I don’t think anyone can beat your rev that’s very sweet!
Those damn QPs stay in there like magic..
That's because they are...
Lead anchor
So I think I have an idea on what is causing the machine to pick the tires up. The tires are acting like a gyroscope. They are trying to move the machine and the faster they spin the worse it will be. You need lower mass on the tires/wheels so they have less gyroscope effect. I would say drop to the smallest lightest tires you can find. It should help a ton. If ya need anymore science stuff, hit me up.
WE LOVE CYCLONES !!
Same 😎🌀
When it was lifting on the ice its called "intermediate axis theorem" if you rotate an object around its largest and smallest axes, it will spin in a stable, consistent manner.
But if you rotate it on an intermediate axis or if the center of axis is changed do to the increasing spinning in this case, the rotation becomes unstable. It's neat that it seams to have only done it on the pond ice.
That’s amazing,, I can’t believe the fuel pump can even pump any fuel spinning that fast lol
Yeah you don't want to leave it to low lol
Great vid boys, I got dizzy watching that last one, I couldn't imagine being ol Doug in there.
30:02 What's goin on with the white board back there boys?
The pen is mightier...
Exactly! Maybe they can do a live stream from the office going over their lofty 2021 SOB goals with the subs...
Yea I saw that lol 😅😂🤣
Just a list of things... Why???
This one got the thumbs up as soon as Doug started giggling uncontrollably on the way to the pond. Good episode guys.
Doug laughing the whole time
Awesome!!! Keep ripping!!
Doug needs a new title ""SXS Test Pilot”"
Measure the G’s!! In 98 I had a 200hp Ford Escort RS Turbo. Fwd. I put rally ice tires in the front and bald rear tires. Went out the ice. 4th gear about 100mph. Flick it, down to third and pedal to the metal and did pirouettes about 400m. I was pinned to the seat because of the massive G’s I pulled! My friend was like “STOP!!!!”
When I stopped it felt like we was standing up in the air like a wheelie!!! GREAT TIMES!!!!!! With fwd you get some sort of flicking. Try it out
Doug playing astronaut lol
Astronaut Battlefield 😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
You need to use the lightest lowest profile wheel and tire combination possible. I believe the wheels are acting as gyroscopes and causing the machine to want to roll because they are being forced to rotate on a different axis at a high rate. The ice allowed them to spin faster thus creating a higher gyroscopic effect. You need to find the sweet spot of lowest wheel speed that will still rotate the machine. Also Doug you’re a badass!
7:53
"8 inches in the rear?!?"
NICE
The first minute on the ice with the CF1 was gliding to a stop like an Air Boat. looked cool.
He could work for N.A.S.A ✈️
Doug has 'the right stuff'.. haha....sorry.
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Rick Rick looks blazed🔥🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂
Her: he's probably out chasing other girls
*me and the boys*
Garage channel is legit! Rick does a great job