Drum Teacher Defies Dave Weckl And His Manager
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2023
- It didn't have to be this way Dave and Steve Orkin.
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I saw Dave do a clinic decades ago. What i remember more than his exceptional drumming was how kind and friendly he was to me and everyone else. Sorry to hear about his manager's behavior.
Agreed. He's a brilliant clinician.
His manager is protecting the brand as he should. This is so unbelievably childish; yet this guy isn't smart enough to be embarrassed. Sitting at a super cheesy E kit. Southerner...checks out. This is classless in the drumming community. Dave and his team are really good people. I guess you have to do this to get views.
@@brianjmartinmusic Agreed
Absolutely. I argued with him about it on a different thread. He's an idiot.
@@brianjmartinmusic Agreed, it's pathetic.
Weckl is one of the greatest ever! Changed drumming for Millions. Great technique, very Innovative, super smooth.
Weckl hasn't been truly innovative for 30+ years
@@BeatKasterG Perhaps, but for about 10 years, he changed the way people played the drums. Not many can say that.
@@musopaul5407 True
Seen weckl several times. He’s great. Your not. It’s just your opinion which doesn’t count cause you couldn’t play anything like him at all.
@@ronaldgenendlis6423 I think it's safe to say neither of us are as good as Weckl - so by your own logic, your opinion doesn't count either! EVERYONE'S opinions count, and of course you're entitled to yours, as I am mine, but try googling "ad hominem arguement" - you might learn some valid critical thinking skills.
Dude, I woke up and listened this song almost every morning lol. 😂
Haha stop it...
Weckl is an incredible drummer. Seems like the issue is more with his management
I made it all the way to minute 3 before I became so annoyed, I had to leave. PS. Dave Weckl is an extraordinary drummer.
Far out
You are hilarious, delusional. But hilarious.
@@JunkdrummerTV you really know how to solidify yourself as a prick,
@@JunkdrummerTV Style is subjective. You were right to point out Weckl's undeniable off the charts acuity, so what's the point of critiquing what amounts to personal listening preferences?
I don’t think this guy, his teaching, nor his opinion will matter much if at all in years to come. Dave’s work however, is a mighty pillar in drumming history and the advancement of the art form.
Mighty pillar in drumming history?? How many young drummers is Weckl relevant for?
@@BeatKasterGHow relevant is Vinnie to young drummers?
Or Gadd…I bet the vast majority of young drummers have no clue about any of these players. And I’m accurate.
If the music doesn’t apply to the listener…they aren’t listening to them. It’s that simple.
This is why Travis Barker has 100x the reach Dave does. Will his playing be studied and viewed at a level of the masters…NO.
So who cares how many people like something because it’s hard to make master drummers mainstream ever.
Chambers and so on. It’s just not on the modern young player radar, unless they are searching for greatness…then they’ll find the best players. So the minority for sure.
I feel these comments were written in 1996
Weckl blew my mind when I saw him perform with Chick Corea's Electric Band and was a tremendous inspiration.
Apparently, mileage may vary...
Weckl has always divided the room. He’s that kind of player. Had an online lesson with him over lockdown and he was super nice and very helpful.
His choice of tunes aren’t always my favourite, but he’s a monster player and most drummers will never play at his level.
You keep asking "who is this music for?"
Let me answer that: It's mostly for musicians who happen to like it...and there are a lot of them.
Sooooooo. 9?
@@JunkdrummerTV There are plenty of Elektric (with a K!) band live concerts on youtube where you can practice your counting higher than 9 up to 5 digits. Counting also might improve your drumming too.
@@stratrovariuszzzzzzzzzzzz
Is it a scene in that Woody Allen movie Annie Hall when he looked at his uncle and he says "what an ahole"? Listening to this guy makes me think of that scene.
You're wrong on so many levels.... music doesn't have to evoke family memories. That's way too one dimensional thinking.
Btw - Sweet Home Alabama or Alaska or whatever it's called is such a horrible song. I actually feel insulted on my intellect when I'm presented with that kind of crap music.
Everytime you hit the play button - I get the feeling of "yeah, this is right...this is my place to live. Depth and quality."
And by the way. Good music is never played at a family anything.
All my best musical experiences comes from blasting fusion, jazz and blues out in my teenage room by my self.
Getting deep into the music - and not getting distracted by anything.
What you're talking about is so superficial to me. Music is all about being present in the now - free from other people, society, family, relationships of any kind - and connecting with your own emotions.
A LOT of Dave's music does that to me. It has never been about technique or anything like that. It's about what's beyond the physical world. And fusion is almost the only music art form to me that has that adventurous quality.
I do agree that Orkin's marketing strategy is way too aggressive.
But to be honest. This video just digs you in a hole impossible to get out of. To me.
Hope you feel you get something out of putting stuff down that you don't understand.
This video is so disrespectful.
Thanks!
Also. I'm gonna do a video on this comment. Thanks for the content!!
Steffen Brix,
SPOT ON, bro.
I love Fusion and Weckl is honestly my favorite drummer to ever live.
Guy is fluid and musical beyond belief.
I respect Dave Weckl’s high level drumming skills but I honestly can’t imagine him being anyone’s “favorite drummer”. He just comes across as a bit robotic and doesn’t exude much personality or emotion from the drums. Perhaps it is some of the bland fusion music being played that is the true turnoff. I like some fusion like the 70’s Tony Willams “Lifetime” records. That music and Tony’s playing exuded passion and fire.
@@drummer78
"Personality" and "emotion" are 100% subjective. Weckl's resumé speaks for itself.
When you have drumming legends like Peter Erksine, Terry Bozzio, Neil Peart, Vinnie Colaiuta, and others singing your praises, you know you're something special.
Go dave!! Love dave his playing his songs and everything about him…. Go dave go!!!! He’s the best ever!! I’m hinting a bit of jealousy in this video that they wish they could play like him.
You "love everything about him"?? Guessing you're 33 but you sound about 12
Mr preferred pronoun is he
"I cranked Sweet Home Alabama"... That's all I need to know about this video lol
I think so too!!
@@JunkdrummerTV 😂 😆 🤣
I consider Dave a very good musician, who can play in any position ;). Him being Chicks drummer speaks for itself... Liking fusion or not is a matter of taste.
Play in any position? So when has he actually done that? No, he's always played fusion
@@BeatKasterGhe played for Robert Plant, George Benson, Simon& Garnfunkel, Madonna, Michel Camilo and other other and other
Funniest line, "let's put on some fusion"😂. Loved Weckl with Elektric Band.
It is Dave weckl's right to block your use of his Intellectual property. He has worked hard for his brand and doesn't need your (or anyone else's) critiques or comments to advance his career. It is as simple as that....
He is not your style, that is fine. He is not always mine either, but that is neither here nor there. His music, his right...
Wrong. You don't know anything about the music business
@@JunkdrummerTV ah, yes I do. I have worked in it for years.
Then you know he doesn't own the copyright more than likely. With you having "jazz" in your name leads me to believe you've never signed a record contract...
@@JunkdrummerTV and what exactly would be your point? If the intellectual property belongs to him, then it is his to do with as he pleases, not for you , nor for others. If Weckl wishes to post on youtube and other creaters wish to fairly use his youtube content, then this is a youtube rights dispute.
@@JunkdrummerTV Please, could you explain what was the content of those videos of your two friends/youtubers who were claimed by Weckl´s manager? (I did this question to you in a comment but you didn´t answer me)
First of all, I would like to mention that I am a great admirer of Dave Weckl and what he has achieved in terms of musicianship, diversity, production, etc., but also how he manages to continue to play a significant role in this music business. Not to mention his ambassador role for drummers and drumming in general. In addition, he is one of the leading drummers ever and his style and sound are always recognizable. In that sense, my response was obviously written with this in mind. I've watched this video of yours several times and let it sink in before commenting. The reason you made this video - as I understand it - has to do with the incident with your friends and the management (Steve Orkin) on Dave Weckl's side. In itself it's fine to support your friends and help them in this user rights issue. What I have great difficulty with, however, is that you immediately seize this opportunity to express your aversion to fusion music in general. And that's something that doesn't interest me one bit. I really don't care if you like this music or not, or if you're also going to give incredibly lame and pathetic comments on the way the musicians are making their music. I see it this way: at the moment you are sitting there in that hole of yours with no quality at all and in my opinion you have not achieved anything useful that has made the world a little wiser.
You have indicated several times that you think the musical ability of the individual musicians is very good, but that you think the fusion music itself is terrible. So many people, so many tastes and yours is irrelevant.
In other words, what do you actually want to achieve with this incredibly pathetic and childish video? It is of a sadness that is impossible to imagine.
I don't sit in a hole. It's a 100 acre farm!!
@@JunkdrummerTV
I agree with almost everything written by @roberthstakenburg2740. I also see the point where people might want to change their perception on.. let's say.. 'who's helping whom' on RUclips and the likes.. really agree on that one. But I will tell you that Dave himself said that songs he offers as playalong s CAN be used on RUclips, he only asked to tag whoever was the composer so it didn't look like it was him in case it wasn't.
Your way of reacting is what it is.. your business really..
But I remember you said ( I'm sure being just angry) how Vinnie accomplished to play with some of the big guys.. ( you may have used different words ). So here I'd like to add that so did Dave. As still quite a young man he toured with Paul Simon, recorded for Robert Plant ( how is that? ). Most importantly, have you given a thought to what makes it happen, that he doesn't need any of the big names to be able to do so very well for decades??
Vinnie on the other hand and according to his own words did that ( and I DON'T blame him ) much for the money.. It was him who said something like "I don't always love all that I play or have to go thru on the tours, but it is good sometimes to 'milk the cow' should you get the call..." BTW this all still with a BIG respect to Vinnie!
You must be delusional if you really believe Weckl "continues to play a significant role in this music business". Look around you. He doesn't.
In what way exactly does he play an "ambassador role for drummers and drumming in general? Did I miss his appointment to the United Nations?
You calling the OPs taste irrelevant reveals a snobbery sadly often found in fusion fans who believe they're the only ones capable of understanding complex music. EVERYONE'S taste is equally relevant, you're no better than anyone else.
Weckl hasn't had a big gig working with a credible artist for decades
I'm probably one of the biggest 'wecklists' out there. I'm aware of the criticisms you made and agree with some of them. Sometimes it's like playing music absolutely perfectly, without playing any music. But in terms of ability he's still one of the greatest ever. You seemed more positive about his soloing and I'd point to that in terms of something of great value.
The argument I would make for this sort of music is that we need specialists and educators. The more specialist you get, naturally the more detached you get from the music the average person listens to. But I see nothing wrong with pushing the boundaries.
In my experience, the 'feel' crowd is just as, if not more tribal than the 'technique' crowd. It's unnecessary- I mean, I don't usually go home and stick on Perpetual Motion, but it has its merits. I think most of the 'technique' guys know that technique for the sake of it is not music.
I would disagree in particular with the characterisation of the elektric band. Chic's music was extremely popular in 1980's New York and was at the centre of the fusion scene. You can see the atmosphere in many of the clips from those performances. I would have loved to have been alive to see it.
When I watch Weckl, what I feel is the passion it takes to practice that hard and get that good. And it's a really deep thing in me- it really lights me up- kind of a deep burning motivation in me. Every time I see him, I tell him I love him.
Best comment yet.
So tired of the whole "technical skill = no soul" canard.
"Soul/emotion" itself is wholly subjective and impossible to quantify.
There are no boundaries being pushed by the Dave Weckl Band.. it's cliched, predictable and ultimately so safe it's programmed at wine festivals!
Practice that hard to get that good? What is being musically stated here? Absolutely nothing. What boundaries are being pushed? Absolutely none. What tension is being built? None. What uncomfortable places is the music going? Nowhere. It’s dead music bro. If you don’t get it you don’t get it.
You had me rolling. Using their powers for evil and not for good. LMFAO
@JunkdrummerTV Please, could you explain what was the content of those videos of your two friends/youtubers who were claimed by Weckl´s manager?
Weather&Real estate music !
Love it bro 🤘🏻
This is the only vid where the ads are more interesting and informative than this ‘generic’ clickbait.
Hey, you watched the ads! Money for me. Thank ya!
Dave Weckl ❤❤❤
So, what exactly was it that your 2 mates did on their RUclips channel to get the cease and desist letter. Love to know. Cheers.
If you had Dave’s talent, or even close, you wouldn’t defame the most sought after drummer of our time. Jealousy is ugly, and weak. Get a real job, and a life if you can. Lose that pot belly too.
HAHAHA. You just made it to the read mean comments video. Thank you!!
The most sought after? Bro how many records has Weckl played on? lol come on man how many producers hire Weckl to play on a big record?
As a fusion fan who genuinely gets an emotional reaction from much of the genre, the only person I don't like more than Steve Orkin right now is you. Big boomer blues dad energy. And I'm only here cos I saw a post on reddit and was curious on my lunch break.
Hell yeah!! Thanks reddit. And thanks for the ad revenue!! Have a great day!
When I first saw videos like this as a kid I thought it was just music that was made for drum videos.
Tiny mind, small opinion!
We are transforming the shit out of this video, Steve... Orkin. 😂
You ‘critiquing’ longer than you allow the music to play at any point explains everything.
Also, the you saying they’re “not using your powers for good” while doing the exact same thing.
I almost never listen to Dave. Just don't want to be accused of anything, I don't have a horse in this race. But one thing is for certain, I'd never want to have this guy as my drum teacher. The negativity, shitting on people's music. No matter who, if you're a musician, you know that's not cool, never been. You can think it, but doing it in public, loudly, big no no. Just move on and listen to something else. And he's not playing in a linear style. Neither does JD beck (from 99% of what I've seen from him). Linear playing is actually pretty rare. So many things that turned me off right from the get go. Really disgusting musicianship. I rate this channel really-bad-first-impression-never-coming-back/10.
A. He does play in a linear style. 2. I have 54 students that proves I'm a good drum teacher. And have been for 24 years. Tres. Grow up.
Nice response. But you just proved my point. Def : Linear drumming is a drum kit playing style in which no drum, cymbal, or other drum component hits simultaneously. He is absolutely not, not even a single doubt about it, playing linear. Same for JD Beck. As a teacher, you should've provided that definition if you wanted to contradict me. Nice one. A big, fat, juicy ''right back at you''. And terrible attitude once again@@JunkdrummerTV
@solaufein3029 bless your heart. Just because he doesn't play linear every note doesn't mean he doesn't. That's a pretty smoothed brain take. He has examples of linear transcriptions of his playing in Advanced Funk Studies by Rick Lathem. The first Bible of linear playing. Now go lay down somewhere
No I'm not talking about some notes. I'm talking about almost every single notes he plays. Almost every single one is not linear. You go lay down. There's more non-linear, than linear. At some point you can say everything is linear. You can keep saying it, won't make it true. Linear is rare. Drumming is complexe. That's not linear. How ? Just how is that the conversation ? Disappointing Edit : scratch that, the video, you keep saying to lay down, grow up, bless your heart. No disappointment. Shit posting.@@JunkdrummerTV
ruclips.net/video/EabTdOwtKy4/видео.htmlsi=e7gGh2kPHrictppY
Suggest you keep listening to Sweet Home Alabama. 😅
Btw:
"I predict he's gonna do a solo in the end.... oh look, i was right!"
Yeah, and that was guaranteed the first time you heard that song. 😅
I NEVER listen to him. Ever. Never heard that song. Just listen to everyone he's on. That solo section is in every song. I'm sorry you're lame
@@JunkdrummerTV The song is from one of his solo albums.
Surprise, surprise: you will find drum solo's.
How many solo albums of any guitar player are there, without solos in every song?
I've heard Weckl (and Tom Kennedy) live with Mike Stern, several times.
I've also heard Mike Stern with Dennis Chambers and Keith Carlock.
The sessions with Weckl / Kennedy were the best, and at the last concert, Mike Stern said: I think these two guys (Weckl/ Kennedy) are the best duo in the world.
But off course, he is lame.
You'll also find a RUclips Short with Oz Noy:
"I love Weckl, i think my music sounds the best with Dave. All the other guys are great (Carlock, Anton Fig, Steve Ferrone, etc), but i think Dave makes my music elevate to another level".
Lame, again.
What's your take on Steve Gadd?
You talk about doing the same fills / solo all the time. Well, i believe Gadd has the record in that department.
Same with Keith Carlock, very similar solos.
Still, i love all them guys.
This is really about your "friends" (or whatever), and their experience with Weckl's manager.
So please, leave it with that, because the rest is just embarrasing . 😉
@@matsrekdal3065 bless your little heart
@@JunkdrummerTV Naaaw😘
I'm impressed, really.
For a guy that "NEVER listen to him, ever", you seem to know an awful lot about his solo sections, in "every song". 🤣
But i get it, clicbaits work.
Hell, i fell for it.🤷😅
@@matsrekdal3065gadd plays with 10x the soul, feel, and conviction that Weckl does
As Trilok Gurtu once told "Berklee is churning out drummers like sausages".
Linear sausages.
The weather channel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What happened to the guy's comment that said "nobody hires Weckl"? I got a notification saying he responded, but I'm not seeing the comment now...?
I don't delete any comments
@@JunkdrummerTV
I didn't say it was you...
Maybe he deleted it? I can't find his comment now...
The Stanley Clarke solo album of that title is one of my favorite fusion records of all time. Tony was so killer on that record. Weckl is a master. Some of his fusion is a little boring maybe but he is really amazing to watch and listen to.
How can his fusion be a little boring and at the same time really amazing to listen to?
thats the music dave weckl meant to play. i enjoy it very much. i know all albums by heart and enjoy every single stroke he plays. my only complaint was they were so disturbingly perfect that if there is a non studio version i like them more.
It is always very amusing to see a video from people who are not a big fan of Dave Weckl.
I understand everyone who is not a fan of his music, musical taste is something very subjective. However, I have no sympathy for just about every other point in this video.
Copyright is being trampled on almost everywhere these days. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of fair use. But for my understanding it would be appropriate to at least inform the copyright holder about it or to get permission for the use in the context of "fair use".
It has long been very difficult to make a living from artistic creation, especially if you are not in the highly commercialized sector of the industry.
With the invention of social media and the associated short-lived nature of content and works, the whole thing has become much more difficult. Therefore, I basically understand that artists together with their management try to protect their intellectual property. Not everyone has the deep legal understanding and especially the authority to decide what falls under the term "fair use" and what does not.
So it should be in the interest of every artist and therefore also musician to protect his interests as well as his sources of income. The situation will not get better if everyone can use any content at any time simply by claiming it is "fair use".
As for the statements regarding the music:
The musicians around Dave Weckl are pretty much the spearhead as far as the ability to express themselves on the instrument is concerned. They don't need to reinvent themselves, as they were already incredibly far away from everything and everyone else in the early 80s. The choice of style and genre is also obvious. When you play at that level, there aren't many genres left to use those skills. I would imagine that for many musicians in this league it would feel like being chained if there was no room for improvisation and soloing. And no, a guitar solo in a metal song is not even close to the same thing. The so-called modern music is produced from front to back and there is hardly a human component left. Even the sound of the instruments and voice is usually changed so much that hardly anything authentic remains. So to speak of emotionless music in this video is very presumptuous.
If the music doesn't touch you that's absolutely fine, but then please don't say that this music is generally emotionless.
When I hear this band play, I hardly hear and see anything but pure emotion. The level of dynamics, contrast, heart and soul in the playing of each individual on stage is permanently visible and above all audible.
And finally, one more thing, Dave Weckl has managed to attract people to come and watch him play through his dedication and discipline for music and drumming. They come because of his complexity, dynamics, outstanding timing, vocabulary, and overall expressiveness on the instrument. The music being played is secondary; you always get 100% Dave Weckl.
Very few of us can claim to have come this far, so we should definitely not pass judgment on the musical decisions of musicians of this caliber. Simply listen and enjoy - if the groove doesn't ignite, invest more time in music history and the greats who came before us. Try to further develop yourself on the instrument in all directions and music styles. Eventually, the day will come when you truly understand what Dave is doing.
Happy drumming everybody!
Meg white is way better than Weckl
There is nothing authentic about this music. You wanna hear someone who is actually stepping out and taking risks, go listen to Allan Holdsworth.
Holdsworth; now there’s some fusion you’ll never hear on the weather channel - now he’s got me feeling emotions, deeper than I’ve ever dreamed of
It is NOT Weckls right to prevent others from using his music if that use falls within the boundaries of the law - "fair use" is not some vague ethical standard but a legal requirement.. the OPs use of material met that requirement. Nuff said.
If you really believe the DWB are "the spearhead as far as the ability to express themselves on the instrument is concerned" then you need to listen to more modern music. And what is it they're actually expressing??
Please point out exactly where (timestamp please) and how in the DWB video the "heart & soul" is "permanently visible"?
I'll ignore the arrogant condescending nonsense that concludes your post and ask you to consider this - you seem to think the DWB are the worlds best musicians and yet "the music being played is secondary".. so what the hell are they doing exactly? Isn't the fundamental requirement of a musician to actually er.. play music?
....would like to hear you side by side against Dave. NO chance
You go girl!
Dumb MAGA hack says what?
i love your mean girl era
It fits me well
The weather channel made me involuntarily chuckle. You referenced Vinnie, I always think of him as the lesser Steve Gadd.
LMAO that's a joke, right?
Vinnie is a very different player to Gadd
Caaaaaan someone explain what this video is about? Can’t work it out….sorry guys.
What's there to explain?
You got the concept of linear drumming wrong buddy. Linear drumming its a playing in wich no drum, cymbal or other drum component hits simultaneously. If you dont know that, you dont know nothing.
Anything*
Im from Argentina 🙋♂️🙋♂️. Cheers
Uh...your channel handle is so apropos...first time stumbling onto this channel but you discredit yourself in monumental fashion! To say "it feels like he (Weckl) is regurgitating a lick that he practiced and got all polished in his basement and has decided to give it to us" only serves to confirm and establish your incredulous ignorance! Dave Weckl is one the absolute top creative and improvisational musicians on the planet; bar none. All you have to do is put the axe you have to grind down and open your ears to any of his playing over many decades to acknowledge wealth of drumming genius that we can all learn from. And you present your rant while a cheesy electronic kit sits in the background! LOL!!
Aaawww. Somebody is twiggered!
@@JunkdrummerTV Nah, just expressing how my mind is blown by how anyone can listen to Dave Weckl and not recognize his legendary genius and furthermore, trash his creative and virtuosic genius. Regardless, nothing you or I have to say about the matter will make one bit of difference to Weckl's contribution to music history.
When your ear finally matures enough, you will hear it too. Dave is an over-rehearsed player. I used to love his old records. then one day I woke up and realized he is actually not saying anything on the drums and it’s just a bunch of string together “drum licks”
@@retrayal4642 Okaaay, thanks for clearing that up for me...
He inspires hundreds of thousands of drummers, has respect from his peers and makes a living playing music . You make reaction videos on RUclips from your home. If all you gain from the negative comments is ‘ ad revenue ‘ and not insight you’re truly poor.
Having said that I will still say Dave is a master drummer but toooooo perfect! I guess AI can do that now! What a listener wants is to be captivated to be mesmerised and recall the music
Well, I did appreciate Bill Gates on the bass. 🥴
You really need better visuals. The graphics are holding this great channel back. Camera? Software?
damn dude!
I’m an easy going guy. I love Dave weckle. Huge fan. Some of the music he chooses is a bit eccentric but I like all music. I dig that you’re able to speak your mind and voice your opinion. I think it’s funny and some of your points are damn hilarious. I could see you getting your teeth drilled and Dave’s music playing in the dentist office 😆😆😆🐸🍺🔪🔥
You really like ALL music?? Damn.
Yeah. I don’t think about it much but there isn’t much music that pisses me off. Maybe like some whiny love songs 😆
Orkin is the problem. I'm a huge Dave fan, but management seems to cause these problems all the time.
Cara... você pode não gostar da música dele, mas não é o tipo de música para ouvir com a namorada... é um estilo de música para os músicos ouvirem, e há espaço para todos os estilos musicais! Ouço Dave Weckl Band, e gosto muito! É inegável o virtuosismo dele, a sua contribuição eterna para o mundo da bateria, e o quanto inspirou e ainda inspira e emociona as pessoas. Precisamos ter a mente aberta! Ouço de Dave Weckl à Dave Matthews Band... de Sting à James Taylor... do rock à música clássica. Todos têm seu valor e seu lugar no mundo.
The music is quite boring. I agree. However technically, he might be the best on the planet.
You are salty at his manager ok cool but why berate a drumming legend ??? What does DW playing have to do with your encounter with Steve ??? you sound like a goofball !!!
I'm going to have to listen to Larnell Lewis with Snarky Puppy to cleanse the palate after that.
8:22 I lost it on fusion mullet
But I don’t see the hostility
Weckl never was jerk to no one or anything
Respectfully cheers
Dave Weckl is the greatest drummer ever, name another drummer that can play this style better??? Big talk coming from someone that cant even play 1% of what this guy plays
Uh oh. Somebody is triggered...
@@JunkdrummerTV am i wrong?
@@sabianleesingh743 very
@@JunkdrummerTV upload a video playing like that
@@sabianleesingh743 you first
Are you triggered to Dave Weckl, cause you cannot play drums like him ? Maybe you heard this thing called practise. Dave Weckl gave me that inspiration to practice over 27 years ago and still does. Then i don't need to insult or give a negative critic to these master drummers. Usually these men who loves the metal music, cannot handle the groove. That's why these big bearded men laugh at jazz fusion, cause they cannot even dance with it, cause they cannot hold no groove. They don't got any groove, cause the groove is inside your bloodline system. Groove is a gift from god.
Practice*
I can name 100 metal songs that “groove” harder than this trash
Do you have any symbols or base drums for sail? 🤣@@JunkdrummerTV
Talk about tropes. Making fun of the misspelling of 'practice,' is pure unadulterated Trope dope.
YES - this guy is absolutely triggered! He is 100% jealous. Disgruntled. His CDs from the 90’s are legendary. What has this guy making the video produced? NOTHING!
How can you not like Dave Weckel's playing?
Guys listen to Vinny and you will know what this dude is talking about! It’s about being a human musician not a human metronome! Vinny is an absolute musician / drummer he plays for you to listen to him he captivates the listener and plays for the music and never is the music himself!
While I’m a huge Weckl fan, I did enjoy watching you take the piss out of fusion as a genre. There’s some fusion out there that is absolutely smokin, John McLaughlin and Jeff Beck come to mind, but I agree that a lot of it is pure wankery.
Dave weckl is my favorite drummer but i alwys found his music sounded like Street fighter music🤣
😂😂😂😂
If only your band director in high school gave you some Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers records.
I hope Akira Jimbo is alright 😅😅😅😅
How about Dave playing to higher ground did you like that ?
Dave on the first Electrik Band was like nothing else. His playing at that age was as with Michelle Camillo was beyond anyone at the time at such a young age becasue where do you go AFTER Steve Gadd? Dave was the next guy. Not better than Steve, not worse, not as innovative but a slight evolution beyond Steve for sure which is asking for the impossible. You new it was Dave when he played. That said there is credibility that the fusion formula continues on and so many songs sound exactly the same. It has become tiresome even for us players but you just cannot not watch such virtuosity. The audience is pretty much musicians and amature musicians that can't really play at this level but close. I have mad respect for Dave, Vinnie and Steve but sorry none of them lay it down like Carter, Aaron Spears or a John Blackwel RIP or hit a drum like Bonham. And they are not fusion guys aside from Carter who I think just might be the best drummer on the planet. Simon Phillips can lay it down and do it all also. So we have guys out there when you get to the point where groove rules technical virtuosity but they all hold their place in the herd of GOATS we are so lucky to have out there.
I can agree with you that Orkin shouldn’t have bothered guys using the Weckl material for teaching. If anything, they called attention to the music, the band, and Dave, which is only going to help Weckl’s business. However, pretty much nothing you’re saying about the music can be taken seriously. You are entitled to your preferences of course, but your preferences are indications of your taste, not of someone else’s quality. If you don’t get the vibe, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Also, clearly, many of your comments are not even about artistic criticism; you’re just being mean out of spite, as if that is somehow going to defend your two drum teacher friends-which it’s not. You said you usually try to keep the vibe of your channel positive. I would recommend getting back to that. This does not become you, and does not belong in our drum community.
Well then go tell the mayor of "our drum community". I'll patiently wait for a response
"Be the next Jaco!"
Umm, isn't that John Pattitucci being John Pattitucci?
No it isn't
I have a feeling you are a wonderful garage band drummer.
Hell yes!!
I happen to love this music also I see it as Dave worked it all out and knows what always sounds good verse he is afraid to dig deep which I agree he does repeat but I love the sound of it all. Vinnie does dig deep always going for it yet I don’t like everything he plays though I will give him the fact that he is on way more sessions then Dave so to pull off that level of shit at about 3 sessions a day for decades I will cut him major slack there as he is doing so much shit something might not be to my exact liking but still being able to pull that much shit off at once is amazing but I am falling off course now but yeah if that had any point lol!
Thing is, Weckl probably doesn't want to play by these meme "modern day" way of promoting content in the way you see, even if it true. You know how skilled the guy is, probably the best of all time, It's obvious he doesn't care so much about becoming a mega star, he will forever be known as the best drummer of all time regardless, he would outplay pretty much anyone. Probably right about his manager going after small creators, which they shouldn't really. Yeah fusion is not cool to average listeners, it's only cool for the people who can understand the absolute twisted management of time and complexity. I can tell even by you watching and grilling them, you're still impressed because you understand the language.
Oh no, another fusion elitist who believes they're in some kind of musical MENSA club, so much more sophisticated than the "average listener"
i loved dave weckl back to basics then i seen later vids i said what is he trying to do
Do want to thank this channel for one thing…I had forgotten why Weckl is regarded as one of THE BEST JAZZ DRUMMERS EVER. I had gotten away from him for a while. Chick Corea, Mike Stern, performances are insane! I’m so fortunate I got to see the original Elektric Band lineup in NYC before Chick past. The most insane group of musicians to walk the planet.
God damn ...lol..I' stumbled across your channel ..and I'm sure I glad I did..!!.. I haven't laughed this f****** hard in years.... I swear to God dude... can't stop laughing ..side hurts.. thank you bro.. I'll wake up to a good start and I'm getting my week off to a good start I'm not bullshitin ... fukkin funny..😂
Critics have been stiff in their opinions about fusion through the years. Often complex through failing as players themselves. This smell the same way. Superficial comments and all the short clips only underline that.
Big "How do you like them apples" vibe... love it!😅
Fatality!
Regardless of what some guy thinks sitting in his studio and has never been heard of……Chick Corea chose Weckl to be his drummer. Chick Corea - 24 Grammys and the modern day Mozart. Why would I listen to you? I don’t. I’ll listen to the greats when it comes to who is the best. Not some guy trying to get clicks on RUclips
Lol, hilarious. I get your point about the harassment by Weckl's lawyer. And I agree Weckl is a fantastic drummer. But I have to disagree with your opinion that the music is crap. It's not the most emotionally engaging tune, but it's a fun piece to play and listen to. Something I always look for when watching a live band is the enjoyment the players have with each other. And I see that when I watch the video. Anyway, I just stumbled on your channel. Looks interesting and ill be checking it out! Peace!
Thanks! I swear the rest of my channel isn't spiteful.
@@JunkdrummerTV Lame. You should post more spiteful stuff. Do one on Steve Smith.
I really got a kick out of this! The "break down" section is just a rip off of Zappa's cosmic debris. It's like, look at me...I've spent hours and hours doing the same chops and style until I mastered the ins and outs so much so that it has been stripped of all feeling and only the mechanics are left.
He's right about Jaco. Bass players have been copying him for 40 years now.
Im a weckl fan and love his songs and revords but then again I come from that demograph and time era. This drummer and his opinions expressed here did nothing to offend me though. His views are humour based and his critiques qualified enough that I couldnt fault him if I tried. His opinions should be freely expressed and his point of views are specific and sincere. I still enjoy weckl bit i cannot fault this drummer and his views herein. Funny, mostly true and obviously not perdonal to anyone here. An invite to discoutse and a break from musical demi god int
Ok, man. What’s in the “coffee” cup? 😂😂
Hate, apparently
I really came here to listen, but this feels like such a childish take.
Totally agree on him being shitty and not very smart in doing blind copyright strikes.
Besides that, you're criticizing jazz/fusion for being... What it is... And because you didn't listen to it as a kid...
Weckl often does a drums only song-length improvisation in his shows, maybe try and do this video with one of those, and say he's generic as he carries a whole piece with drums only
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Okay you don't like that kind of music, but there are many genres and styles of muic.
And he can play almost anything he likes.
Dave Weckl is a professional topdrummer.
Better than being a bottomdrummer I suppose
This video is funny af btw I love you hahahahaha
Dynamite fusion mullet
I disagree entirely, this music is for people who have a head for it,
It clearly goes right over yours.
I feel like you were wearing New Balance shoes when you typed this comment...
Best way to put it!
Oh Bro. You just put your finger in the yellowjackets nest😂
Great video on Dave Weckl. I’m with you brother. Harold ( Norway)
Thanks 👍
I have a friend who doesn't care about these technical qualities on the drums, he just doesn't like his music, that's all
Always a fan of sticking it to tha Man 👏
Ooh no...
Why do all the Daves have to be tough to be with😢😢😢😢?
Amen!!!
hold on hold on.....jd beck??
I was sure that was louis cole
You're right my bad
@@JunkdrummerTV they are pretty close in style so understandable.
I enjoy his grooves and playing but not enough to fanboy over it. However I love his drum solos. He is one of the only few session players that solo close to my playing. (I'm not saying im Weckl lol)
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Here's a hot take: what if being able to identify/create good music (ie music with cultural impact, lasting emotional resonance, etc) was actually a SKILL, along with all the other skills that the greats must possess? A skill which some musicians like Weckl don't really have. He's an incredible technician but hasn't played anything innovative for 30+ years since he was in the Electrik Band. Jay Oliver is no Chick Corea (or Tom Kennedy a Pattitucci) and I feel Dave's playing has actually regressed since then, with him taking an increasingly nostalgic view of jazz and fusion.
Great art often involves a high level of skill, but the skill itself is not the art. One of the truest tests of art is its survival, and in 40 years (or less!) no-one will be listening to the DWB and sadly, despite being one of the most technically capable players of his generation, Weckl will be a barely visible footnote in the history of music.
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This guy would give his life to be as influential in drumming as Dave. He sounds more like a frustrated guy that needs to talk bad about other to feel good. Sorry for him
"Vinnie Colaiuta's souless stepson" ouch - hammer meet nail. That is a pretty good description and why I have had a hard time listening to him. Heavy on chops, light on feel. Kind of like Joe Bonamassa.
He has a decent amount of feel in The Dave Weckl STL Big Band Contingent: Drum Solo + "Apples"
@@tonydean4277I think that people who say that really haven’t spent enough time with Weckl’s music.
Art is for the creator… THE END! This is absurdly dismissive.