Classical Composer Reacts to Shoemaker (Nightwish) | The Daily Doug (Episode 235)
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2021
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to Shoemaker by Nightwish. This song, dedicated to American scientist Eugene Shoemaker, calls us to expand our point of view and re-think our perspective. I liked the mixed meter verse, and I especially was moved by Floor's vocals toward the end. Enjoy!
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The Romeo and Juliet quote is engraved in Shoemaker's urn buried on the moon.
"Shoemaker" has become a favorite song of NASA's scientific community. Tuomas has a deep inclination towards science and this is reflected in many of his plays. This ensured the entry of Nightwish into the history books of science, several discoveries in the field being named after them. These new discoveries include: Alpenglow Rockshelter: Archaeological site named after Nightwish Song. Tanidromites Nightwishorun: New Crab species. Sciophila Holopaineni: New species of Mosquito found in Finland. Ophiomitrella Floorae: New species of Cretaceous brittle star named after Floor Jansen. Tmesisternus floorjansenae: new species of beetle named after Floor.
NWSU 🤘😎🤘.
And there is a camel called Emppu. ☺️
@@kv6uf I do believe that Tuomas' Collegiate Degree is in Environmental Science so that makes sense,
Wow! That's interesting and so cool !
What is that true?! i would love to see that!
I love how Tuomas managed to connect the dots here - taking what most laypeople consider dry and matter of calculations and bringing front and center the *passion* the scientists have for their field of study.
Almost like religious fervor, deep love, but in a secular way.
The Romeo and Juliet text is narrated by Tuomas Holopainen's wife, Johanna Kurkela, who is a famous singer here in Finland. She's an Elf. ⛄👍
Johanna sure has elf-magic in her voice 😊
wow dude had no idea about her. your comment made me curious and i checked her out. she;s an elf indeed
@@floreaciprian9742 You have to see this: ruclips.net/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/видео.html
It's two Johanna there, the first one is Tuomas wife.
Johanna Kurkela, Jarkko Ahola, Tony Kakko and JP Leppäluoto an elf and three metalheads. ;) - Avaruus ruclips.net/video/9neDIowyhaA/видео.html
@@kah227 Heavenly :)
Just realized now that Tuomas used Shakespeare quotes and builds the whole verse by using the structure of the shakespearian Sonnett (3/3/4/4). Beautiful little detail. Realizing first there is something "weird" with the verse structure and it all making sense when Shakespeare is quoted. Brilliant.
Neato! Tuomas does tend to do cool stuff like that. He injects art into the very structure of his songs. Another time he did that was in The Poet and the Pendulum. From the spoken word portion that mentions only having "3 minutes and counting," it is exactly 3 minutes until The Poet character in the song dies and his heart stops beating - right before the "Mother & Father" movement of the piece begins.
The Romeo and Juliet text is an inscription on Eugene Shoemakers urne on the moon.Thank you for reacting to Nightwish.
Just FYI, while "Ad astra" is Latin, "Laudato sii" (or the shortened form "laudato si' ") isn't: it's Vulgar, aka medieval Italian (has a lot of similarities with Latin tho...) and it's part of St. Francis' most important prayer, the Canticle of the Sun.
Your translation was really on point, kudos!
Greetings from Italy.
👋🇮🇹🖖
wow,, cool, thanks
indeed, “si” in classical latin means “if”
The "Eternal Earthrise" lyric is interesting and shows that Tuomas knows his stuff.
Since we always see the same face of the Moon, that also means that, from the Moon, the Earth will always be the same place in the sky. So you would never see the Earth rise or set. But, the further north or south you travel, the Earth would appear lower and lower in the sky.
Shoemaker's urn is near the Lunar south pole. So, depending on where it is exactly, the Earth could be visible just over the horizon giving the appearance of an "eternal Earthrise".
The thing is, the moon does have the same side towards Earth the whole time, but it's not perfectly still in that, it wobbles a little. This means that from about 20% of the moon's surface, you *can* see Earthrises (and Earth settings). In the 'best' places on the moon, it's possible to see entire earthrises. It's a slow process, I think it takes about 48 hours.
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Interesting, I have not heard of that before. Where can I go to find out more about this?
@@ChrisHinton1967 Someone wrote it in the comments in another reactor channel that reacted to this song. I have no direct source to point to.
@@ChrisHinton1967 Look up "Libration".
For me also a hommage to Carolyn Shoemaker, who dies two month ago at the age of 92 years.
Oh, did she know about the song and did she react to it?
Reunited after so long. How amazing for them!
@@stefblt5771 I heard that they asked for her permission before recording it, then sent her a pre-release copy, followed by the whole album once it was ready.
I don't know of any reaction from her though.
Human Nature was the first album by Nightwish that I fully sat down and checked out. The operatic part of this song at the end was the most goosebump inducing experience. Gets me everytime.
The ending transports you to someplace else. Beyond goosebumps - it's shivers to the core.
You really missed out on the earlier albums.
@@TheRealRedAce I ended up experiencing all the albums in reverse order. I love all their stuff but there is something so sacred about listening to a Nightwish album for the first time. Human:II:Nature blew my mind. I listened to it every night during my night walks that Winter and it was like nothing I ever heard before. Oceanborn is up there in my top 3 too.
@@laudatosiadastra1218 Well I'm glad you've been able to hear them. Its been an awesome 28 years or so and the band has never stopped being fresh. My personal favourite is Imaginaerum, but its hella close! Can't wait for the new album.
@@TheRealRedAce I agree, Imaginaerum is awesome :D
"Laudato Si" is originally attributed to the 12th Century monk St Francis of Assisi from his "Canticle of the Sun" which is an homage to Nature. It's also from the second encyclical of Pope Francis, an entreaty to care for our planet. Those who have gone into space and having looked back on the Earth, realize how trivial our cares for power and wealth really are. I look at "Shoemaker" as encapsulating all of these themes together.
"Ad Astra" is "to the stars". (Royal Air Force motto "per ardua ad astra" "through adversity to the stars").
It isn't OUR cares for power and wealth, but our trashy so-called "leaders" - ALL politicians and "big" businessmen.
The quote from Romeo & Juliette is on the urn containing Shoemaker's ashes on the moon.
Try the first track, 'Music', next ... well, any track really, they're all good ;-)
Yess, would love Doug´s take on Music! :D
I really think the 1st disc deserves a full album reaction
Maestra Floor always amazes!
Never clicked so fast. I adore this song! Usually makes me cry though.
I find the same on a lot of this music especially when I pay closer attention to the lyrics.
It's a Happy cry, good for the soul. Can't listen to this and Not feel the water works.
Every single time the waterworks start when Floor’s operatic part begins….
Tuomas has created a dramatic end to this song: from the crater where Shoemaker’s urn hit the moon, you see the earthset and then the sunset, accompanied by Floor’s voice👸💪
In fact, the point that Eugene is buried is in the very bottom of the crater "Shoemaker" in permanent shade from the sun as it is at the lunar south pole - with the earth dancing around on his horizon due to the slight wobble in the lunar orbit.
@@phillee2814 yes, interesting, but with dramatic I was referring to the fact that the staging of the video does not correspond to reality as the Shoemaker crater is estimated to be 2.5 km deep🤓
The Earth slowly describes a figure 8 pattern in the lunar sky, over a 27-day period, and at some latitudes you'd get to see it rise and set over and over, hence "eternal earthrise." (The Wikipedia entry on "earthrise" has the gory details.)
The Islander is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE song by them!!!
Floor said in an interview that she actually rerecorded the aria at the end in her home studio because she thought she could do it even better than she had in Nightwish's studio. She really pushed herself for this and it paid off.
You need to check out "Bismarck" or "Livgardet" by Sabaton.
Hi Doug! Thank you for another fantastic analysis. I recommend simply doing the entire album in order, since you've already sort of started the journey. It's a fantastic album, all songs are different from each other, so you won't get bored. There is an official lyric video like this to all the songs. "Music" is the opener. I really hope you do this!
Eugene Shoemaker, the man who pivoted the US space program astronaut education around for going to the Moon. The driving force who turned test pilots into geologists with long terrestrial field trips and a ton of classroom training. He had the ambition of going to the Moon as an astronaut himself, but sadly was rejected due to his Addison's disease. Rest in peace, somewhere near the lunar south pole, on the Earth facing side.
You will love the rest of the Human || Nature album. It is great!!
YES....Please do the entire 1st album. Each tune is a great little trip that you WILL enjoy. Thanks for a great channel!!!
Very cool reaction, when Floor sings that end part live you can feel the hairs standing up.
I think you would LOVE Apocalyptica. They are four classically trained cellists who created a rock/metal band. This is best illustrated with their song/video Path. They did later come out with a Path Vol 2 which is the same song but with a German singer. ALL of their songs with vocals are always with guest vocals, and I think this adds an extra layer to their awesomeness as artists.
I agree. I would also recommend either of these:
Apocalyptica feat. Brent Smith - Not Strong Enough (Official Video)
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Apocalyptica - 'Bittersweet' feat. Lauri Ylönen & Ville Valo (Official Video)
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The quote is on the urn of Shoemaker on the moon.
You've come a long way in appreciation of well composed double bass drum :)
Thanks a lot Doug! Always a pleasure to listen to your comments. "Endlessness" sung by Marko is my favorite from the Human :II: Nature album.
That's a special song....and sadly, his last.
@@milton1448 ... this far. He's a touring member of Raskasta Joulua 2021 tour in Finland as a solo artist so it seems there's still hope that he'll be performing more in the future.
@@MikkoRantalainen Thanks Mikko
Laudato si is the from the famous médiéval poëm by Saint Fransiscus from Assisi.. This whole song is a requiem actually and is based on the Mozart Requiem.
Thanks for reacting to this masterpiece!
I don't usually like when the person doing the reaction goes so deep into explaining the music but in your way of doing this I truly enjoyed it, THANK YOU SIR
To a fan Tuomas' songwriting is in a league of it's own within this genre but how do you regard him as a composer from a technical and creative point if view?
I did like your comment but why on earth are you asking Doug for validation? Argument from "authority"?
@@franshinlopen2166 He is probably interested in somebody else's opinion who might look at it differently because of his background.
@@colemantrebor6574 This. It's interesting to hear what someone thinks, when that someone has a more technical approach and is a professional composer himself
@@colemantrebor6574Why do you assume this person is male? As to the background, why include Doug? He obviously knows music which is why I am a subscriber. But I haven't seen any music of his. So to me Tuomas is the more popular composer
@@franshinlopen2166 Well, the question is whether Tuomas would be so popular without Nightwish. He is a great composer, of course. But what would he do without Nightwish? Could he compete with John Williams and Hans Zimmer? Maybe. Maybe not. It is not just a question of skill, but mainly of luck.
Wonderful. Brings me to tears when Floor hits those high notes.
Love it.
Doug is classy, he doesn't do intentional innuendo. Which made 8:09 a perfect gem for the less sanitary of minds.
How's the Heart acoustic version (Planet Rock) has become one of my favorites from this album. Some react to both the lyric video and the acoustic version. Floor and Troy together on the acoustic version is a great combo.
Yes it's been too long. I've been waiting for some more of your insightful Nightwish analyses.
Floor has such great vocals!
A very good idea to hear more from this album. Can't wait for it!
Love your reactions! I'm a listener, not a musician, but I get a kick out of learning. Thanks, Doug.
Thank you for this reaction.
I love nightwish, ad I really like your way of reacting, from your 'composer view' So the combination of you reacting to nightwish is always a joy to me.
Doug, I think you'd also enjoy Tribal from this same album. It gives the drums much love and we hear Floor growl again.
You must see this song live, concert 28/07/21, incredible
Yes, do the first album too, Human, it is absolutely amazing. Procession is my favorite song, you should check that out, so so beautiful song by Tuomas, something different. Thank you for this.
I was really waiting for this one! I'm excited! 😁
I always thought the lyrics to this were a little weird, but knowing the theme, it suddenly makes a whole lot more sense.
Nightwish Army, New Zealand Division reporting. Thanks for your reaction. That must be the most epic end to a song ever. I like to listen to it loud with my sub providing that last bit of bass power!
Oh man. Can't wait for you to get to "Music". On the history and importance and substance of music.
This seems to be the first NW album where Tuomas did what he wanted to do without having to care about the limitations of the main singer.
"These are the words that I wrote to this melody, you figure it out."
And it isn't something that can be put in a certain catogary.
Laudato Si, the words of St. Francis of Assisi.
Ad Astra, from the Aeneid of Virgil.
Laudato si ad astra; Praised be you to the stars.
Shoemaker died and his cremated remains were sent to the moon.
But to me, Laudato si ad astra is more than just a a farewell to a great scientist, it is a calling. A beckoning for us all to not just reach for the stars, but to go there.
Yay! Thank you for your reaction to this song. Always love to see what insight you have.
Eternal earth rise; the earth never rises on the moon as it’s tidally locked. So shoemaker can always see the earth eternally risen. Beautiful baby.
Always appreciate your comments, Doug! Would strongly recommend that you start at the beginning of this album and go through each song in order! Fantastic album, start to finish!!
This is what Makes Nightwish special. Interesting musical structure executed smoothly, best song on this album and arguably the best song with Floor. That ending is one of the most beautiful moments in their entire discography
Both disks are superb and kind of show the music genius of Tuomas... Great review once again Doug
Thanks Doug! Always enjoy your reaction and bit of break down of a song. Disc 2 has become a favorite of mine when out on walks at night with my ear buds in, just so good, thank you again for your reaction to that.
I remember watching the Shoemaker-Levy impact on tv. Was 11 in 1994. While this song didn't hit me at first it has made a profound impact in subsequent listens
I used to give this band (mostly by extension of how I see the whole symphonic/power metal genre) shit for having only fantasy "dungeons and dragons" lyrics, but then I came to realize they love to write about science, religion, contemporary humanistic issues... really gained a lot of respect for them over the last few years.
I saw your face during the male vocal bit... go check out "Harvest"... or put it on your list for next time ;)
What is your problem with fantasy lyrics? They make fantastic songs. See virtually every song by Dio. Or check out Clamavi de Profundis and their adaptations of Tolkien's poems. If fantasy isn't your cup of tea that's fair, but it's NOT a valid source of critique of a work of art if it uses fantasy.
Amazing, wonderful piece.
Great reaction Doug! I really appreciate your insightful commentary.
The Noise is a very good tune. I think it is the second one on the album
Yes absolutely! And it is also one of NWs best music videos as well with the visuals emphasizing the meaning of the song. Very very impressive.
I think you'd enjoyed it. Shoemaker is my favorite somg on this album. Your reactions told all... 🙂
Thanks Doug. Another great analysis. Would love to hear some more Ayreon. Valley of the Queens, Everybody dies, eye of ra would be a great start
You should hear this live.
OMG Floor melts the universe
Sir, I would suggest pausing to talk, because even though you are experienced and you cannot be easily surprised, you might actually miss something, and also you don´t immerse yourself into the song properly to enjoy it. As I said, just a suggestion. Keep them coming, great content. :)
All the lyric videos made for this album are great.
Love this song !!!!! and love this group !!!
Great reaction as always! I knew you'd like this one.
Highly recommend doing the rest of the album in its original order (as suggested by the band as well ;D). Each song is different and a masterpiece on its own.
Looking forward to your next NW reactions!
Thanks. Please keep NW in the rotation whenever you can. Also, please check out Auri and Auri II, as well as Music Inspired by The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck (all by Toumas). I'd sit and listen to the entire albums with you start to finish.
Doug,
I totally love your analyst of the compositions, especially Nightwish. It really helps me personally understand what is going on and greatly assist my own creative style. Thank you for sharing!
@doug helvering this hole album is, to me their best work you can really hear that they have alot off year behind them and really know what they are doing.
Nightwish is always magic.
I say this often (?) but you should give a try to Rhapsody of Fire, the songs "Symphony of Enchanted Lands" or "Dark tower of Abyss". They have an amazing orchestral sound; you'll surely will like them (except for the double drum parts).
Please! We’ve been suggesting these songs for a long time. I know he will really like Fabio Lione’s vocals and the orchestration as well
His urn was onboard the NASA lunar prospector, which spent 19 months studying the moon after which it got purposefully crashed at more than 2000 miles/h in a crater on the south pole, that crater was aptly named Shoemaker crater. From the force of the impact the probe was certainly vaporized, apart from the small Titanium urn which was either ejected and is now lying somewhere on the moon, or it is deep in the crater, and will stay there longer than any terrestrial tomb.
Just discovered your awesome channel and was up way too late last night watching a bunch of videos. I humbly suggest some great songs that you may enjoy:
Andromeda - Chameleon Carnival
Gamma Ray - Man on a Mission
Stardust - Stranger
Therion - The Crowning of Atlantis
Wuthering Heights - The Mad Sailor
Savatage - Chance
Thanks again and I look forward to some more great songs and commentary!
watch the end of this song at hellfest 2022. Floor never disappoints.
this is my favorite song on this album, thank you
Thank you Doug excellent reaction as allways...
Doug convinced Charles Bronson that his Nightwish was truly a death-wish.
@@lesblatnyak5947 it's a joke Les. Try not to be so serious.
the gret thing is when you listen to the album that song leads perfectly into the song nature
If you liked this video I would suggest the music video for Noise. It’s another one with great imagery and relevant message.
Cant' wait to listen to this live! :D
Did you hear that the guitarist is picking the drum rolls? This is a difficult song to play!!! Nightwish is amazing! Floor is a goddess of vocal perfection!
thank you Doug, am learning a lot,
I really really want "Procession", "Harvest" and "Pan" from the album eventually :)
Beautiful song Doug 😁 thank you
You should check out the few live videos there are of this now - not for a video, they're not very good quality only bootlegs so far, but for yourself: it's really something else to see Floor pull that ending live!
"Background stuff, other worldly" The "dreamlike" hammered Dulcimer I think Doug, that is heard through the first section. Some previous discussions if it's digital or real and that is lightyears beyond my ears, I would think Tuomas would have used a real one if it were possible, but I have no idea.
Eternal earthrise is what Shoemaker would "see" from his position on the south pole of the moon.
I haven't even started to watch the video and I already hit like, it is an awesome song and I know you'll enjoy it!
Gorgeous performance by Diana
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Please react to Diana Ankudinova !
She has insane and unique vocals and great stage presence and her performances (from the show You are Super ! ( win twice ) are gorgeously choreographed and you should find them very interesting. Top song choices are up Wicked Game Derniere Danse, Blizzard , Human , River . She is really an amazing young artist!
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Diana Ankudinova
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Thanks Doug!
please try the live version next!
Well, it must be time for Doug to do Ghost. One of the best rock/metal band out there for the last years.
I never liked Nightwish, but Doug's analysis of the song really made me appreciate them.
Woops! I've missed a posting from "Daily Doug" .... How can that be!? 😋
And you finally got to "Human Nature" by Nightwish.
Way to go 😘
The spoken part; the Shakespear verse; is performed by Toumas' wife..., and so "fitting" as well, since they both , truly adore each other .
That verse and the last "classical crescendo", in this piece; always gives me goosebumps.
The first time I listened to "Shoemaker", I started crying.
This album is so musically BEAUTIFUL!! 🥰
Troy was singing with Floor, by the way...; that part when they "slow down".
I'm so happy, you've not forgotten Nightwish. 🤗
Can you imagine the expense of putting flowers on his gravesite? Great song, great man. As always, a stellar reaction, Doug ... pun intended!
As the proverbially cheap Dutchman I totally enjoyed your comment!
Eugene Shoemaker , the most heavy metal scientist.
I think most heavy metal scientist is still Dawkins. He was on stage with Nightwish at Wembley...
@@ilkkak3065 You mean '' The greatest show on earth '' in Wembley Arena , you' re wright . Dope song ... and great concert . He is endeed the most heavy metal scientist . Now we got two of them !.
Thanks for Shoemaker the whole album is different and has a clear message about the state of our world today it is written in very Poetic terms and quite cryptic at times when looking for the meaning of the Lyrics
Really the Album needs to start at Music and end with endlessness they ( the songs) all make reference to each other in some way
I am making my way through the album lyrics with Guylain Prince OFM he study’s lyrical content and breaks them down he speaks French so have to read the subtitles so it is taking me a while to get through it is a 2 part process as he listens to the song first then he analyses the lyrics
I have loved the exposure to music I have never listened to through your channel which I am sure I should have known about those great iconic bands of the 70’s and 80’s that others know so well as I get older the more I enjoy music that has been my main entertainment during our last couple of years being in lockdown in Victoria Australia
Can't believe i missed this episode. Great to see you back at Nightwish again Dough. Love it!
Did you notice that (hammered) dulcimer was both mentioned in the lyrics *and* played in the song?
It could be Tuomas and synth samples, but considering Troy is in the band, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the actual instrument.
I'm pretty sure Troy uses every excuse given to learn a new instrument.
When are you doing Avantasia's Scarecrow or The Raven Child by them? Tobia's Sammet, the creator of what's known today as "metal opera" is just a genius. You'd love their music. Always inviting incredible musicians to sing with them.
Floor said on her new Floor site, that this was the hardest song for her to do...
Tuomas Holopainen keybordplayer,songwriter,composer from Finland.
Hey Doug I just came across a cool concert and thought of you and it's by a band called within temptation called black symphony and if you love nitghwish you'll love this
I clicked so fast! 😌👌🏼