Vocal Coach Reaction to The Truth About "Unique" Voices
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Vocal coach Tristan Paredes reacts to mrskinnyjeanz3 video titled The Truth About Unique Voices where he criticizes singers like Zhavia, Hasley, & Lorde for their "indie girl" singing.
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i had an american singing teacher that kept telling me to sing 'naturally' and to 'stop changing my vowels'. it was ridiculously hard to explain that he is in australia and i am australian with an australian accent.
The fact that an American singing teacher noticed you "changing" your vowels is a good sign if you're Australian! Most of us Aussies try singing in a "neutral" accent which often sounds American, embrace the Kasey Chambers and Missy Higgins Aussie singing accent.. hahah. I swear most Americans love hearing Aus accents.. I remember hearing something on the radio when Dean Lewis released "Be Alright" and some radio host was froathing over how he said "mate" ahaha
ahshahhaahahahahshahhaahah that cracked me up
@@kelsiehibberd8998 I'm only replying to you to say that "Be Alright" is SUCH A GOOD SONG.
If you enjoy that song I'd recommend the song "Polygraph Eyes" by the artist YUNGBLUD
They kind of remind me of each other. Plus Polygraph Eyes is just a darn good song :)
Should’ve sung Sticky Fingers 😂
The "sing naturally" thing I get cause you don't wanna be singing as if you're voice acting spongebob squarepants, but to stop changing your vowels, I dont... vowels are so important for so many different reasons... crazy
walcom to mai *kisschen* .... we haev *bonanis* ... and *avocadies*
I COMMENTED THIS BEFORE THE VIDEO STARTED AND THEN THE VINE PLAYED IM DEAD
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My 1st time seeing the vine 😂💀
I’m fucking losing mind at how this is spelled I have to go
HAHAHAHAHAHA
This might be just me, but when you hear someone sing without seeing them, like on radio for example, and you know who that voice belongs to, that to me is a unique voice. The technique might not be unique, but the voice is.
Agreed.
The technique literally makes them all sound the same
They all sound the same to me .......
angell Mariaaxoxo tune deaf?
@@wickeli no , they all sound the same .
Taylor Swift is a fantastic example of how an accent changes per the genre they're singing. Her country albums she had a "country" accent, when she started singing more poppy songs, suddenly the accent is gone.
Rachael Wagstaff yeah and even depending on the style of her pop songs the accent changes within that. example: i love that song "wonderland" that she made but parts of it sound... British?
I'll give her a pass because it doesn't seem like she's doing anything dramatic to change her voice. Just small changes to fit the style and she still keeps the same tone more or less. The people in this video are doing the most to change how their voice naturally flows and it's not just the pronunciation and such. like Jessie Reyez is trying super hard to keep up that baby tone.
Jess Reyes literally talks like that too, like I don’t care for her music but she speaks in that accent and her voice is kind of raspy
it wasn't just in her singing. i think that spending all that time in nashville and working with a lot of people in the country music scene kind of rubbed off on her. she wasn't only doing it for singing, she had one when speaking as well. so i don't think it necessarily came and went with the singing, but more likely just because of her scene change in general
As a southerner.... that girl has never had an accent 😂
,,,that voice has a name.....it's the banani and avocadi voice u should know that as a professional
Blut Zucker welcome to my kitchen
Demingls Banana Avocado voices 😍😍😍
someone wanna inform me of the viners name so i can watch all his vines again
Sharnelle chrish
Sharnelle didn’t he do the ninki minjaj vine too?
I dont mind the trend bc in the 50s we had the bugle boys 1950s type of singing, now we have the whiny indy sound it is just a product of the times....singing evolves were almost in the 20s now it will continue to evolve...
ikr, sometimes the Beatles, Kinks and David Bowie sound very similar, 60's trend
Or the 2000s pop punk/emo accent
@@johnindigo5477 My favorite of which, at the end of any song:
"....tuhnaight."
Absolutely destroys me. XD
I wouldn't call that evolution. Just a normal cycle of trends and fads.
@@jackorion7157 they're literally all english... That's why they "sound similar" lmaooooo
"High white girl voice." I died, Tristan. I'm dead.
9:03 From Brendon Urie to Justin Bieber?? Like, truly, how talented.
IKR?!?!? I was taken aback for a minute
BRUH! I thought he was singing a panic at the disco song or a Brandon Urie cover for a split second. How he do dat dere
Everyone can do it or learn to. That's kind of the point he was making.
He is so talented
I did not hear this until you pointed it out... but yeah he definitely sounds like both of them here.
“Yeah mon, I’m rrrraggae mon.” 😂
AreYOUaSpider Ik I laughed so hard!
Laughing so hard lolol
I keep replaying that part while reading your comment lmaooo
I died right there.
IM DYING 😂😂😂
I always worry that if I don’t sing with some kind of accent, I’ll sound like Owl City
this comment made my week
YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE YOUR EYES IF TEN MILLION FIRE FLIES
LIT UP THE WORLD AS I FELL ASLEEP
Brian Corona YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE YOUR EYES
this is the most accurate thing i’ve ever read
I don't really like the baby girl/indie trend bc I don't like the style, but your logic greatly undermines this "truth about unique voices" vid, especially as a real vocal coach.
I strongly disagree. The style of singing isn’t something you can crutch on, or make up, ergo Fergis National Anthem. The huskiness and selection of vowel sounds, inflection, and tone are tools to execute a specific sound the singer would like to have. If you heard, for example, lorde and the girl with the bright tone and couldn’t tell them apart, considering the vast differences in their voices (because techniques don’t really mask individual voices) or even just their approaches, that has nothing to do with what they’re doing. Was this overview simplified, yes, but, it’s hard to be lengthy without being disrespectful in regards to the negative, and incorrect generalization including tones, several styles, a variety of natural and artificial accents and executions. Even if you don’t like this one particular style of singing, watching the video, you had to have noticed some were just more soul-y, a few (to my knowledge) were even just not from the us. The video creator used any indicator of “not a basic, accent neutral, style free voice” as a classifier for “not trained” which is more or less shaming artists for taking their creative freedoms with an unlimited amount of options and making what they like to produce. You can personally not like a style without clumping that style with everything else, and disrespect it.
I don't think you understood what Stacy was saying. They were saying that despite not liking the style, Tristan clearly explained how singers who use that style aren't all the same.
Doc Halling Isaiah I was replying to Mara Downer
Stacy i agree... the only person I think it’s working for is Billie Eilish
I mean, the baby girl trend is annoying. Blame Melanie Martinez for that.
But, Indie in general has a lot of different vocal types that aren't all like that.
Florence Welch alone could belt most people off a stage.
actually for jessie j she has a english accent so that’s why some of the words sounds like that
Yup. Plus her voice has MEGA control over her vibrato and THAT'S her style. That thicc and prominent vibrato along with the HONESTLY GODLY runs are what jessie j is!! The accent just makes it better to me. XD love her and her styleee ❤
Yeah, it was a poor example.
She's not singing in her English accent though
People ALWAYS say this whenever this discussion touches on a non-American singer, and it’s always wrong. The qualities of her singing voice to which he was referring are explicitly movements AWAY from her native southern English vowel shapes, and TOWARDS American ones. The prevalent style of contemporary singing for most of the last century has been an American style, which is why almost every singer, regardless of where they come from, Americanises their vowels when singing. If Jessie was overtly singing in her own accent, it would sound completely different to this .
t-t-that
A lot of this video also was criticizing ACTUAL accents. ...like speaking accents. Artists from the UK sound totally different from the US, and you can sometimes legitimately not understand them -- even those who are not going for an 'indie' sound. In their speaking voice, their vowels are different than ours. When the UK, Aussie and NZ scene took off, this sound became more popular here in the US, too, bc it's a cool inflection. It's just the natural progression of music. Things trend. And, even within this trend, I'd say just about all the examples in this video didn't actually sound that much alike. They weren't even in the same genre.
But pop music? No one is saying that they have poor skills or are "making up for no talent" bc they all sound the same. And, if understanding them is a necessity in order to be a "good singer", then Ariana's in trouble. ..only, she's not. Neither is Adele or Sia. Three diff genres, all that have something about their voice that makes them hard to understand depending on where your from. But them criticizing black, native, straight UK/AUS, or black+british voices as an 'indie sound'? What???
YES!
Kaalyn - OPG Very well said
No one in that video was using their native accent as their singing accent...
Stfu lorde, zhavia actually has a bit of that tone in her voice, khalid, sometimes you hear it in Halsey's speaking voice too.
Kaalyn - OPG thank you for saying this and wording it so much better than I could
This person really said SZA and Khalid's accents are the same. Bish what.
Girl ik
I thought they were just pointing out the fact he was singing her song
I would like this comment but it says 777
ok i like them both but i cannot deny the similarities
What I feel like their accent is similar at all
I’m really surprised no one mentioned one of the biggest culprits of this…
*Melanie Martinez.*
Mister Winkybluff
SAME
I love Melanie, but you're right. Lana Del Rey does it a lot too.
But at least she can sing. Her good songs and vocals (in my opinion) distract me from the indie thing.
Emily F Billie isn’t that extreme, also her good voice makes up for it.
Emily F Thats true, I think shes capable of more than what she puts out, but at the same time i still like hearing her voice cause its so beautiful, to me at least, so for me it just balances out the indie thing she does. But at least she isn't so extreme with it, cause then I wouldnt be able to listen.😂
Hehe Actually a voice coach, not just a vocal coach.
Really loving your channel and the ongoing conversation about technique, creative choice, identity and position and placement of the voice.
zhavia is more of a throat singer with some modified vowels and vocal placement towards the back of here mouth rather than a singer doing the 'indie' accent using bad diction to sound distinctive.
I think you are becoming my favorite youtuber just because of how positive and open minded you are.
Schawlie same! i just subbed and have already watched >10 videos of his.
I am a die hard Khalid fan and I may just be crazy but that video of him singing was so beautiful it made me cry ugh
I am also obsessed with Khalid. He don't pretend, he got a natural voice
Not obsessed though I like his music, but I don't think he's putting on that much of an accent as the video tries to say, I think it's just kinda his voice
As a sound engineer in training the most difficult thing I've come across so far is how vocalists use microphones. Lots of airy vocalists can't be heard down a microphone due to their technique. I've had many singers with softer airy voices be too shy to be up close to the microphone so it can be picked up then constantly complain about not being able to hear themselves. It's impossible to turn them up without high risk of feedback and noise. So while I agree that airy voices can be picked up by microphones I disagree that it's a technicians fault and that's because the issue isn't projection, it's proximity to the pick up of the microphone. Not hating, just sharing my experience as a sound tech that deals with these issues from the other end :)
I agree, as a regularly performing singer, I have been told repeatedly to literally put mouth pretty much directly against the mic at times for singing specific notes, especially during airier, high notes. I.e. falsetto (I'm a tenor).
In other words, the microphone is not a snake don't be afraid of have it close, also its not a dick, dont shove it down your throat
MrProdigy love the analogy lol
+MrProdigy the analogu lmao
Tbh there’s a lot of things this guy has said that I don’t agree with
I hate indie girl singing but completely agree with this video. Well said!
I hate how it's called indie girl singing too. No actual indie artists sing like that. Only this new brand of pop, whatever the hell it's called.
I hate how it sounds too. Guys do it too.
@@DamnFineCupOfCoffee ITS BANANIS AND AVOCADIS
React to Lana Del Rey best live vocals.
Alan SW I know right!!!
YASSSSSS
YES YE SYE YYES Y DSYE SEYS EYS DFYHSDIAHWDFUSDHBFJDNS
YES PLEASEEE
YASSSSSSSSSIESNSKSLSJS
I loved this, you are so respectful and nice, also it is so entretaining I could've sworn the video was 5 minutes long
Your voice is very easy to listen to. You could probably rant about nothing for two hours and I'd listen to it lol.
I like how you can disagree with something and present your reasonings in a respectful way.
Kristen R this is why his channel has boomed. Nice and polite, funny, cheeky, and intelligent.
If the video being reviewed was about art, it would be like: *"as you can see from the ragged strokes and paint drips, it tries to be abstract which is unnatural in depicting people. And thus is inferior to realism."*
Omg I love this comment
Honestly best metaphor for this kinda stuff
I love this comment so much ahahahha. PERFECT
Not really, this type of vocal technique/style is actually not ideal for your voice & your vocal cords, and might be unhealthy long-term. It’s not necessarily inferior to more classical vocal styles but it is objectively worse for your voice. To use your analogy, I’d say this is more like if the art was painted using an unhealthy posture of the wrist that puts strain on the wrist and puts you at more risk of injuring your wrist, rather than just a different style of painting.
PREACH
something about tristan just keeps me watching. literally been on this channel for hours. keep it up man!!
allyssa ARMY
Same!!!!
"Don't even get me started with that Country shit"😂😂😂dead😂😂😂
Singing is not meant for you to sound the same as talking voice 😂😂
I love how informative and non confrontational your videos are. It seems like so many people can't disagree without getting really defensive, and we've lost so much of the art of debate because of it. People are so easily led to believe something is true if it's presented in a way that appears logical, so it's nice to see your counter arguments shed light on things people get sucked into believing is a fact
Love what you're doing, my guy! We need to break these confines of vocal training that only focus on a more classical style of singing and move on to a training that can actually account for different styles. You just might be on to a vocal training revolution, man.
I feel like the person who made that first video has never heard R&B and just assumes all black singers "put on an accent."
Yeah like... So I don't know who the black guy who was singing next to the guitar is cause I'm not American and mostly listen to dark cabaret but he just sounded like he was a guy with the accent of where he grew up. I'm wondering if they're upset because he has the typical accent from the *black community* in that area specifically.
Haha
It makes me mad because people think she's actually a really good singer and that she's "oRiGiNaL".
It wasn’t just black’s in the video though, sooo...
Exactly. They continually cite SZA as an example. I can hear every word she says clearly. The only reason someone wouldn't understand her is because she often incorporates rap into her music (listen to Love Galore) despite being mostly an R&B/Neo-soul artist.
The passages they played are incredibly easy to understand, look, I'll do it for each one.
First one (Love Galore): "...Skirt down on me, acting like we, wasn't more than, a summer fling..."
Second SZA passage (Drew Barrymore) "...I'm sorry I'm not your baby mama, I'm sorry you got karma coming to you, collect and soak it up right..."
I’m sorry but yodeling boy just dropped a new single and I need a reaction ( Mason Ramsey “Famous” )
Kylie H YESSSS
haha I'm going to wait for his video
It was surprisingly good
SkinnyThicc Legend that's not true but alrighty
Oh it's called indie girl voice I thought it was called bananies and avocadeeess
"Dont even get me started with that country shit" -Tristan ❤
Khalid has an amazing r&b voice he doesn’t do the indie girl trying at all
Tara Sheridan right, because he does the indie boy trying.
Yes he does
Tara Sheridan yes he does. That’s not an “accent”. It’s completely nonexistent when he talks. It’s only there when he sings and it’s intentional.
Have you actually listened to 80's and 90's r&b??? Khalid sounds nothing like it lol
Tara Sheridan fr khalid is literally my favorite singer
That’s like saying Stevie Nicks isn’t unique because she’s putting on an accent bsbsbnd literally every singer puts on an accent to fit well with their voice to see which sounds good or not. And sometimes the indie voice just fits better. Like Halsey is used a lot in these videos and I always get so mad at this cause yeah she has a very indie voice but that singing voice she does makes her voice sound really good. And some artists who use it don’t sound good. It depends. (Also that’s just how she sings Idk why people always make it seem like she’s “faking her singing voice” I’ve heard her live for years and it’s never forced and her singing comes so natural to her. Like people gotta research before making these videos lol)
Wait, I can understand every word SZA says. Her enunciation isn't the problem.
yeah same 😂
*pronunciation
Abigail I heard her 🤷🏻♀️
Speak for you
Abigail same I heard “all the stars are globso”
your videos make me feel more comfortable about singing because a lot of times i have been told that i cannot sing just because i cant hit high notes. i have a low, smooth tone and i use that to the best of my advantage but a lot of people find it annoying and only supports high vocals. so thank u for pointing out everything that u have here
I dont get why people dont like SZA I love her voice shes my queen🤷🏽♀️💞my opinion
I'm still listening to CTRL😭💕
EXACTLY people like her now tho all of a sudden 😒
@@jaydamay6815 everyone has their own taste in music ♥️
I'd go a step further and say that it seems like different eras of music have their own general sounds... And this "indie girl" sound seems to be this era's sound.
Laynie Fingers yeah remember the weird 1920's singing voice!
talk about the 1950’s...definitely had an accent there.
Laynie Fingers true, the 80s also had its unique mainly pop Madonna and disco style while the 90s is dominated by power ballad and hip-hop sounds.
Andrew Maliberan Oh, I'm referring to the way artists use their voices in general, and it spans genres. It's one reason I can differentiate between eras fairly well... The was people sang in the 50s is audibly different from the 60s, which is different from the 70s and so on. Personally, I think that might be why a lot of "vocal coaches" may dislike the indie girl sound... Because it's very different, and as you get older, different can easily equal bad. All my opinion, though, so take it for what it's worth.
Exactly.
I ROFL so hard at the banaknees and avacadees 😂🤣🤦
MrsG87 Right? I'd never seen that. That just added something to this. 😅 It'll always come to mind when I see baynannies now. 😂
Chronically Curious I laughed way too hard at it, like snort laughed probably LOL.
It made me uncomfortable for some reason.. 😭 I got issues
🤣🤣🤣 I laughed way too hard at that too
To me, music is mainly about having fun and finding a style you like to sing/play in. When I play bass guitar, I love messing around with the different styles and sounds
What I find unique voices are singers you can easily tell it's them. There are a lot of singers nowadays who sing almost exactly alike. And that indie voice is so used by so many people nowadays. It's not voice just style.
It's a style that sells which is why it's done over and over. There is very little originality in pop music because all the labels want to mine from the same vein.
I agree but at the same time... Why does it matter? Sure, Elliott Smith is more instantly recognisable than some smaller indie singers because his voice is like spiders but it doesn't make him objectively better. I like him more but that means nothing.
EXACTLY its an easy style to replicate
@@Zeli2tear SPIDERS?!
Can you please react to Mariah Careys best vocals? Mainly in the 90's
lilsheep yesss
lilsheep yes please!!
Yesss and her Grammy performance of “If It’s Over” vocal slayage!!!
NostalgicNathan yesss! And her without you performance in Tokyo 1996
lilsheep omg yessss. Even do an album💓
That "style" is produced by glottal closure, I am very inclined to think so, that's also the feature that gives flamenco it's "quality"; it also reminds me to Shakira in her beginnings.
Yea... that video isn't just illogical, but is pretty offensive when you actually have a speaking voice like that. In particular, SZA and Khalid. Not that they speak exactly like that, but the way they sing is a natural extension of how they stress sounds in everyday speech. Of course it's more noticeable when ur belting out music, but it seems whoever created this video is just someone who interprets a typical American accent as the 'norm'.
??? ??? Lorde as well. She's a New Zealander, and she's just using her accent. (I am from New Zealand. I know the accent.)
??? ??? Yeah but if you listen to old SZA sings, she's never sung like that lol
Jayy Sonata or maybe before she was as comfortable with her accent and voice she used a generic American accent because thats most likely how she learned and heard others singing. Singing voices are constantly evolving as gain more expertise
Pussandra Jones but her vocal technique is actually worse. And if you see her live, you notice sometimes the accent isn't even there. It's very forced.
Jayy Sonata agree to disagree but as someone who has heard sza live and it seemed like the scent was natural to them. Especially English is her first language she learned to stress different vowels but I’d love to hear your opinion. In the times I’ve seen her interviews even if he sound isn’t natural it’s still prevalent in her speaking voice
I have to say, I just discovered you and watched few of your videos, but you got me fired up from the first minutes. I used to hate hearing people sing live and my own singing voice. Thanks to you I became more appreaciative and I am willing to experiment with singing, just for the funsies. You are awesome. Thank you very much! You seem like such a chill dude to hang out with. :D Love your positivity.
I have a unique voice
Uniquely annoying
Of course I hear myself worse than I actually am, but still
Yes! You gave a clear cut demonstration of how we all have accents when we sing. It’s all about vowel modifications. I love your videos Tristan! Keep it up. 👏
I would love it if you did a video reacting to Demi Lovato’s best live vocals or even Tori Kelly’s PYT riff. It would make me so happy since those are two of my favorite singers. Anyways, keep up the good work boy! You’re slaying! 😍
NostalgicNathan He did
Showed that video about unique voices to my vocal teacher and she said that the video is right soo...
In my opinion, we really don’t just listen to music for the words. If that were the case we wouldn’t have people like foreign artists. I think its shallow to say that the sound of someones voice or the twang they give in performances is bad or shouldn’t be celebrated.
The style restricts their artistic freedom, it's like giving a painter a broken brush. This style causes bad pitch precision, awful melismata, no control over volume and causes major vocal problems.
Ive Mc Fallen How? Give evidence...
A simple comparison would do. Halsey next to Beyonce. Beyonce goes from loud to soft, while I've rarely heard Halsey sing above mezzo voce. Beyonce can reach down to C3, while retaining control and up to C6, Halsey's never even reached C3 or C6. Comparing melismata would be a joke. I've heard Halsey be so flat it wasn't even in the lower notes flat range. Therefore Halsey is restricted. And since singing in her airy tone would dry the vocal chords there is a big chance she's gonna have vocal damage.
Ive Mc Fallen Does she needs to hit high notes? I don't think it fit her style, and beyoncé is a R&b singer. There's a lot of great singer without big range. I'm not saying Halsey is an example of someone in full control over the voice, I'm just saying that only a doctor can tell if her vocals are damaging her vocal chords, we are not.
Of course, you don't need a big range. But even without range, her control is minimal, meaning she is restricted. If your style doesn't demand at least some amount of high vs low then your style restricts you. Low notes, mid notes, and high notes all give different emotions, how loud or soft you sing them also give different emotions, how you phrase them to which tempo all combine, not being able to sing high and/or low or loud and/or soft restricts you.
When you brought up Opera I went ‘NO DON’T CALL ME OUT LIKE THIS’
I’ll admit, when singing classically, I think of almost a British accent to give me tall, open sounds, only a touch of bright sounds (e being the absolutely last thing you hear in a dipthong vowel, instead of going straight to that wide sound such as in pop, like the letter/word, I, is more of an AH-(ee), because of course the open vowel allows opera singers to project and healthily carry the sound and note).
The genre is ALL about open sounds and open spaces, because closing off affects the pitch and projection (like he said, projection is important pretty much only in opera, because opera is NO MICROPHONES WHATSOEVER)
Unless you're being recorded!
When people say "British accent" and they mean a teeny tiny minority accent of London. Which is in England. One of the 4 countries in Britain 😩
@@jhart1127 ok
I found your channel a few days ago and I can't stop watching your videos. You're so positive and explain things in an actually understandable way. Honestly just thank you
Same!
The part about "projecting your voice" got me like "holy shit, that's SO TRUE". Loved your explanation on this part because a bad sound crew and bad microfone can screw up with any live show and any singer regardless of vocal talent.
I think the “indie girl” thing is not appealing. I find airiness and breathiness very easy as a singer, but I would never sing like that because personally just annoying to me, that’s just my opinion though. but your explanations for accents makes so much sense and changed my opinions a lot, different styles of singing are required for different styles of music
your videos are so helpful and informative!! I’m so glad to have found this channel
RachelsDarling i guess breathing’s is fine if it comes naturally(like if you have a husky voice) but it’s not nice if it’s forced
OH YES PREACH LORd
I personally find airiness and breathiness (when not overdone) really attractive for songs that are more intimate with a lot of emotional lyrics. It'd be a bit weird for some songs like that to be sung with a powerful or neutral speaking voice kind of volume.
Airyness and breathiness is super attractive when applied stylistically... Look at billie eilish for instance. A lot of the shit she sings about and the style of her music requires it...
The "indie voice" is very technical and is not always easy for most... But because people choose to hate in it they don't even bother to try and understand what is required to do it healthily... Simply cuz uts new and unconventional...
Wow, 8:35-9:17 was such a clear explanation, that helps a lot and of course makes a lot of sense. The examples you employed afterwards were spot on too.
is it just me or does he sound like justin bieber from 9:10-9:18
mika erin it reminded me more of Shawn Mendes
I thought the same thing. Very JB
He sounded EXACTLY like Bieber!!!
He sounds like that becuz when he started learning how to sing, he aimed for that type of voice 🙂
And right before that, he kind of almost sounded like Brendon Urie
Then again, if all singers sang well-projected and with good volume and didn’t adjust the odd vowel here and there, the world would be a massive broadway show 💁🏼♀️
edit: bro i haven’t even got more than 10 likes before, u lovely humans
that's not true at all. the majority of iconic pop singers who can actually sing do everything you stated. from whitney to mariah to hayley to demi. while they could, most definitely, sing on broadway, that doesn't mean their voices are suited for it, and certainly doesn't mean they're meant for it because they enunciate and actually project.
the singers faking their accents would fucking wreck their voices if they tried projecting and enunciating correctly. their throat muscles wouldn't be able to keep up.
Thank you for this! Newbies/Amateurs gets discouraged by those kind of videos. It's really just style. That's it.
ALSO I just wanted to say I rly love watching your videos, I think even when you’re disagreeing with someone and giving your personal opinion you are ALWAYS respectful and kind towards the people you’re critiquing and we always need more decent people in the world, so thank you!
I've never really liked Halsey's voice for some reason🤷🏼♀️
Megan Simpson SAME
ITS SO ANNOYING
Megan Simpson its forced
That video is so old her voice has improved greatly. See her stripped Eyes Closed performance.
same here. it kinda sounds pretentious at times
I think their issue with the indie voice is because these diva worshipers go by the book with technique. The indie voice goes against everything they know. It's like when people who rioted during Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring in 1913 because of their brains were not used to dissonant chords. I think the better example of Jessie J putting on an accent would be the fact that she is British and I find it funny when Indie singers get bashed while people who are not from the US or Canada sing with an American accent. On a side note I find it funny how some of the same people who called Iggy Azalea fake because Australians don't sound like that have no problem with Keith Urban.
I've always had problems with people telling me to 'project my voice'and hearing you saying the things I've always thought about using microphones has made me so happy!!!
Cadi Squire omg hey cadi, haha I’m in the same school as you, you may not know me it’s poppy😂
FoodNMe * which year are you in?
Honestly I don't care how they sing if I like what I hear I listen to it
'I am _actually_ a vocal coach' 😂
Rosie i think is a shade for Selena "Vocal Coach" LOL
the halsey singing compare with the indie girl vine was just a meme that got popular. this person took a joke waaaay too seriously
To be fair, the vine was making fun of people who sing like that
Ingrid Al yes, and it was accurate af
You have obviously missed the point of him referencing the vine in discussion to Halsey's voice.
I wanna see a reaction video to Lana Del Rey !!!
Jessie Reyez actually does have a weird voice in general though 💀 it's dumb that they would put her in that video as if her voice was fake
I have a hard time believing that she comes by the weird voice naturally. She’s from Brampton.
She sounds like the accent she speaks in. I’ve seen interviews of her, her singing to me sounds like her accent with extensions in vowels to fit the song.
she does have a cool voice and I think its cause of her natural accent
Her voice is so broken to me. I like it. It lends itself well to conveying emotion.
I think that the general idea of the video, that the "indie girl" sound isn't really unique is true though. I'm not saying anything about the vocal techniques or anything like that. That specific style is becoming oversaturated.
That doesn't make it wrong, or bad. Just used a lot.
Michael Harris I agree, I just think the video he was reacting to was oversimplifying it by saying Kahlid fit into the indie girl style, and that he used the same exact technique as all the other singers in that video. but, yeah, that’s really true that that technique is really overdone.
"Don't even get me started on country!"
*starts on country*
I’ve always felt kind of the same way about this “indie” voice (although I don’t like rly like grouping all these new age singers into one group because every persons voice and techniques are still so different) and I was worried that Zhavia would have that same sort of generic indie sound the first time I heard her, but I’ve realized her voice is actually incredibly unique. In my opinion, the voice that she’s presenting sounds quite natural. ANYWAYS IM JUST RAMBLING BECAUSE IVE JUST RECENTLY DISCOVERED HER and I am VERY impressed and intrigued.
I always find videos like these annoying. As someone who was in choir and did musical theater I was always told to lose the "accent" but that's just the way my voice sounds naturally when I sing. It's very jazzy/carribean seeing as how I am carribean. I'd say videos like these prove these singers are unique since a lot of people think that if you don't have an pop R&B or pop Soul voice youcan't sing. I personally enjoy singers experimenting with vocals instead of just belting. without experimental vocals we wouldn't have scatting
Ohh Casheyana well I’m a choir you’re supposed to be able to blend very well as to sing like one voice but bring out that originality in solos and what not.
Ohh Casheyana It's also so annoying because you like the style and than someone comes and says "yes but that is bad and this...and this.. and that also... . I DON'T FUCKING CARE, I like how it souds. Point. I hate how there is just for EVERYTHING a video on RUclips with the title "Why... is actually the worst"
am i the only one that gets a "grrr! young women are having fun & being successful and im UPSET about this" vibe from the original video?
GLITTERPRINCESS nope, not the only one. Young girls & women never get to do things for fun/that they like without constant criticism 🙄
Yes this 100%
It happens to literally everything women like right up until men decide they like it. Star Trek. The Beatles. Video Games. It's happening currently with fanfiction, despite franchise tie-ins being payed fan fiction. This is literally just 'i don't like that women don't sing like the specific men I like to listen to'. Letting you g girls and women be happy and have fun takes so much less energy!
GLITTERPRINCESS fosh, and just a general elitism which definitely has gendered roots
I didn't really get that from the video, I saw as them having this idea of the indie voice and then searching for any examples that slightly resemble it to prove their point. They used Khalid as an example as well, so I don't really think gender was a factor, it's just more common with female singers
can you react to mason ramsey- famous (a song by walmart kid)? i heard it this morning and its the cutest thing i've watched in like 3 years
Ewa agreeeeedddd. Thought it was so cute!
Ewa it was cute, the song sounds like a hit from an old country Taylor's album ❤❤❤
It's actually a really good song. I mean, there's gotta be a fuckton of autotune or something in there but it's still really good.
I LOVE IT ITS #7 ON THE CHARTS & I WANT IT TO RISSSE
Ewa I'm super disappointed in him. I was expecting a classic country song from him with yodelling in it but instead we got this watered down, mediocre, modern country pop which he obviously didn't write. The music Industry has destroyed his potential to revive an older style of county.
Love that you're bringing back using Can't Help Falling in Love as your example song 🙌🏻
You are very shady while clever and confident in your words.
It's a compliment. 😊💞
Playing around with accents is one of my favorite things to do when playing with my voice. :D
Often when I try imitating someone's singing I get closer and closer and at some point I can't get any closer cause I can't bring myself to try anymore - I fall into some mesh of that singer's voice and my own and then unintentionally discover this brand new sound for my voice that I enjoy so much that I can't help but just go on and enjoy it. XD
Already a fantastic video! Can't praise you enough, Tristan...your approach to respectful conversation was spot on! Seriously, I'm squee-ing in joy...here on the internet, where it is usually quick responses and hiding behind the screen and sarcasm -- meme humor has its place, but....This was SO REFRESHING!
Good job, man, good job.
Unique is unique
This person was low key trolling for no reason
And a lot of singers don’t force themselves to sing that way .. it is natural sometimes 🤔
Koinii Chuu
Just because you started singing that way doesn’t mean it isn’t natural for them 🤔
@@quanzy121 it is not natural.
there is no way it is natural for all the people doing it to think that is absurd . not even a good percentage, a very low percent it would be natural
It's not natural. Singing a bit flat is natural, singing like an alcoholic gospel singer is performative.
I never had vocal lessons but I pretty much taught myself how to sing. I sang in choir a little and learned how to breathe properly and all of that. But I taught myself were to place my tongue for certain sounds and I studied singing cause I love it. But I feel like these little RUclips channels that try to sound like they know what they’re talking about. It takes a lot to find a way you love to sing. Ugh no singing is wrong unless it’s painful and uncomfortable lmao 😂 idk
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Me too!
Also I know my comment almost makes 0 sense but I hate when someone try’s to tell someone they’re singing wrong just because they don’t like the sound 🤦🏽♀️ I have a pretty clear singing voice that’s a little raspy just bc of the way my voice is naturally but I wanted my voice to be clear and strong haha waaaay different from how I sound from I talk. Lol
same! they're just being judgy and i think they're butt hurt or something
Hannah Herrick if you searched a little more about this channel, I think you'd realise he know very well what he is talking about...
I lost it at “Don’t even get me started with that country shit”😂
I think it's not about being wrong or right but if you like it or not. i don't like the "indie-style" but not because it's wrong, I just don't like it. like, i don't like ariana grande's singing bUT the girl can sing, she is has an incredible control over her voice, i just don't like her technique, and the little whiny thingy she does.
Abby Chiazzaro There's nothing incredible about Ariana Grande's vocal control. Lol
There is though. She can controle her voice without straining her voice like some of these 'unique' voices.
She also mumbles a lot in many of her songs.
bibi ozera She does strain.
She actually strains a lot but she still sounds pretty in my opinion. Some just don't like her voice because she becomes really nasally when she goes for the higher notes which isn't pleasant to everyone.
This person is basically "politely" bashing people who sing like this. These singers are probably comfortable with this style and most of them sound great. Now enunciation can be an issue with some of these singers, and that can be fixed. That "mrskinnyjeansz3" has his jeans cutting off his circulation, I think lol
For some reason i read "mrskinnyjeansz3"as "mrs.KinnyJeansz3" :p, than I saw that you wrote "him".
The style restricts their artistic freedom, it's like giving a painter a broken brush. This style causes bad pitch precision, awful melismata, no control over volume and causes major vocal problems. No his circulation is fine
LOL that last sentence, no tea no shade! xD
RoDoz the
Ive Mc Fallen your wrong
This randomly popped into my recommended, so I'm like a year late... Seriously, this video made me so happy. It's so refreshing to hear your positivity compared to the video that was bashing "unique" voices. I wonder if said video maker can even sing, or if they were just bashing on a trend to bash on a trend. Especially considering, I can't seem to find a video of themselves singing. Thank you for the positivity!
You're videos are so informative I lav it
Your voice is so beautiful wtf omg 😩 please sing more
He has a really awesome cover channel listed in the description, go check it out for more of his own singing ❤❤
I'm glad you talked about this! There's nothing wrong with playing with your voice and changing vowels to modify how you sound. That's just music :3
This video is pretty on point. When that video first came out EVERY comment was agreeing with it. I was like damn... I do sing a little light so I felt kinda down. I'm glad that it turns out that's not THE opinion of the century though. A great example would definitely be classic or any rock, as well because some were nasally, some tried to sound dirty(like Kurt Cobain,) and some do sound clean. It's in every genre. Not just pop. I unfortunately have to pronounce my A's as O's sometimes to hit certain notes. It really is preference as to whether you like a vocalist or not. As long as they're in tune there's no right or wrong. There just is or isn't. And life goes on.
Volaire Same girl !
You felt personally attacked lol
oh my god same! I have a really hard time hitting high notes with the “a” vowel, and it strains my vocal chords as opposed to an o. people bashing that type of change shouldn’t have a say because sometimes it physically damages someone’s voice to sing a certain way.
The problem with this indie voice is that it's main selling point
Your channel is growing so fast
😂😂😂😂😂😂"If you guys want to say this, this, and that - opera is the real example...LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OPERA" I'm dead.😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bordering on petty in my favourite way. "oh you want an actual example? FUCKING OPERA BITCH LETS FUCKING GO"
Please react to vocal evolution of rihanna
Intelligent discussion 👍 love watching x
I'm a vocal coach and will deal with this issue once my channel is up in September. This is all about words. "indie girl" accent (which is usually paradoxically signed to a label :p) is a thing, It's a style, a fashion that has cropped up because we all learn through imitation especially if we don't get trained otherwise. Just like bad acting or a bad accents it gets annoying when not done properly and your perception of how "well" it's done varies on many factors like your proficiency in the target language and style. As these are fashions they exist across styles for this he's right. Want to have a field trip analyse the vowel "I" in songs from the nineties and cross reference genres, countries etc. generally they say "AH" (American) and now they say A-I-E (British) etc. Do I believe there is a "real voice"- yes. Is it dependant on accent kind of...can you make a carrer out of immitation and trends? Of, course, will it irk some people- Yes, just like your real voice might. Do I think you should find your "real voice", of course.
The SZA/Bea Miller type voice they’re mentioning, it reminds me of Nelly Furtado, especially from her first two albums. Her voice was certainly unique, and it seems like she wasn’t ever able to really get the foothold she deserved.
It’s certainly not unique, but she pulled it off better than basically anybody in this video.
I'm very self-conscious about my own sound, I'm afraid that it may sound fake that my regular voice is so... Boring!! This video is a game changer 😀 I'm going to embrace my "unique" sound ;)
yaaz!!! 100%!
Eliza Ávalo at least you can sing, gotta be grateful for what you've got🤷🏻♀️
You’re so nice & respectful which is so rare nowadays wowowo
I think I have to kind of disagree with the projection thing. Mics can only do so much before they start getting bleed through from everything else on stage and start feeding back. If everything around you is loud, and you're too quiet for it....you're not going to be heard. Mics and EQ can only do so much. I've heard singers where I can hear the mics on the verge of feedback, and the EQ is fine (pushing EQ too much can cause feedback too), and I can't hear anything they're singing. I've heard it even with some pretty low key country stuff with acoustic instruments, and they're practically whispering. Like....it's just not going to work. Maybe if you find some specific mics that have better isolation qualities....but don't expect the sound guy to have "your" mic, or even if you bring yours, don't expect them to know how to use it.
I think if you want to sing light and airy, the music behind you has to also be fairly light and airy. If the song goes up in dynamics, so should you....or you're not going to be heard. There's also an argument for having good musicians in your band who will adjust their dynamics to the singer. So yeah, I don't totally disagree, I see your point, but I do think there are situations where you just can't be quiet and airy and the mics/sound technicians just aren't going to be able to help. Learning good mic technique is also a thing that more singers should learn, not that no one does or anything. But just making sure you're not cupping the mic, or singing too off axis, pulling away when you get louder, going in close when softer, and you might have to change your tone as you get closer due to the proximity effect making your voice darker as you come closer.
Good point
thanks for this detailed comment!
I’m going to have to disagree with you when you said that singers don’t have to project into microphones. Sound technicians can only do so much, you can only turn up the gain of a microphone so far before you get feedback so when a singer is not projecting they won’t be heard.
Also vocals are purposefully limited in frequencies along with the rest of the instruments. Any frequencies outside the allotted frequencies get erased. Probably one of the reasons why the guitar has went away is that is clashes with the vocal frequency from this vocal style. I know Lady Gaga and Rihanna get drowned out when they are singing with rock bands such as Bon Jovi and The Rolling Stones.
I don't like those trends. people want to sound unique but so many cover artists are copying this trend and thus not sounding unique at all anymore.
Josephine De Smet what if people just feel comfortable singing softly ?
scoobydoobydoodle it's not about soft... It's about the people forcing their voices to sound a certain way it wasn't meant to sound instead of accepting their own sound
You just dont have trained ears
Did you watch the video? The indie accent is what distinguishes the indie genre, just like the country accent belongs to the country genre, the hip hop accent belongs to the hip hop genre etc.. It isn't meant to be unique, it's a staple of the genre.
I think you just missed the point of this ENTIRE video.
react to grunge vocalssssssss (layne staley, eddie vedder, chris cornell, etc) i’d love to hear your take on their singing styles!
I agree with you a lot here but the only thing I have to say is in regards to the whole “not being able to project even with a mic” thing. I love singing and performing, but I also do tech and while I mostly do lighting design work, I have run a sound board many times and anyone who has ever operated a sound board could tell you that there is a limit to what the speakers can do. The quieter a performer is, the more the board op hast to bring up the volume, but you can only bring it so high before you start making or risking poor sound quality or a feed back loop. Feedback is very, very bad and can actually cause expensive equipment to fail or even explode if bad enough. It may seem like the volume can just go up and up forever and if you can’t hear the performer then it’s the sound guys fault, but when the singing is that quiet there’s nothing tech can do, that’s on the performer.
Michelle Holland I was gonna say this exact point!! If you’ve ever performed professionally , they still tell you to project your voice. I’ve done musical numbers on stages that have to be heard by 2500 people, you still need to project.
@@peachisoro yes, my old play instructor used to tell us that microphones do not make you louder, they just carry your voice further away, so you're the same volume but it's as if everyone in the room is right next to you hearing it rather than across an entire theater. This obviously isn't completely true as I've learned but it's a good rule of thumb. As you said there's only so much a sound engineer can do and a good singer/ performer should be able to project, as you aren't in a studio and not everything can be equalized in post. Another aspect is that many of these singers chose to do the airy and whispery/ quiet sound during the first couple sections of the song and then BELT out the last part, which can sound great in the studio with production, but if they aren't able to project during the more whispery parts and control their volume during belting, it all sounds very off and uneven and just BAD IMO. I wish Tristan would've talked about that because there definitely can be very big issues when it comes to volume and projection of a singer, and it isn't the sound engineer's job to pick up the singers slack and somehow know exactly how and when to equalize their volume especially when many are underpaid and overworked.
A good example of a singer who's really good at projecting their whispery/ falsetto and balancing the sound of their belts within the same song is Mariah Carey when she sings songs like we belong together or I stay In love.