Is God Actually Real? Call Jimmy Snow & Eric (S&S) | Sunday Show AFTER DARK 07.28.24
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“There were fine engravings on both sides” -Mormon Trump
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I greatly admire Eric’s patience during the Milton call. Milton was floundering so hard, and then he ignored Eric when he did try to ask a (great) question. Milton clearly has no idea what he’s going to face in the real world on his “mission.
I will say, as awful as I find Mormonism, I do feel sorry for those kids they send on missionary work. They've shown up in my town in the West Midlands in the UK, and I've always thought that must a tough gig.
The long call with Milton and I don't recall a single bit of evidence he presented. It was always "I believe this" or "I haven't looked into this." Sorta sad.
Milton is so profoundly dishonest.
What was most telling for me was how he fully admitted to stoping listening to a single atheist RUclips/social media content creator when he converted back. If he was so confident, why suddenly shut yourself off from anything that might raise any questions?
Milton... I just gotta know... Are you in love with a Mormon girl?
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No one can resist the magic garments.
There are a couple reasons he would go back, and for sure meeting a romantic interest would be one. The other would be just loneliness and isolation that young people experience when they go away for the first time. Especially if they have had a tight family relationship and community.
It could be just drifted right towards the local Mormon community only out of desire for the comfort of home.
@@kr00m Magic garments indeed! Rumor has it that Mormons actually have strip clubs! 😲 The ladies come out on stage nude, and the men yell "Put 'em on! Put 'em on!" 😛
or married to one
Love seeing you more again Jimmy!
I believe some religions are more clearly irrational and fraudulentl than others, and I put Mormanism and Jehovah's Witnesses at the top of that list. I find it really sad that so many people are brainwashed into believing their BS.
Scientology surely gets in above them though, for me at least.
I'm having a hard time believing that Milton went to college. Isn't one of the benefits of college - regardless of the subjects that are taught - teaching people critical thinking skills? 🤨
@@discontinuedmodel232 You can lead a Mormon to water... :p
@@bodricthered You're right. I'd forgotten about that one.
At 54:50 or so, Milton says that there could have been evidence of the battle, but it was thrown away. 🤨You nailed it Milton! That's textbook Warfare 101 thinking right there. After the battle (assuming your side won the battle) 🤕you sneak back in and waste valuable time & resources packing out every bit of evidence that you were ever there. It's like responsible backpacking/hiking but on an epic scale.
Ethical Warfare x3
Milton, a bloke made a claim. This is no more evidence than when Susie down the street sees Jesus in her cornflakes.
Yeah, I'm amazed at how long they spent on that call repeating the same non-argument.
Some guy said that he held some tablets with nonsense writing on them. Ok? And?
We don't know if he's speaking the truth and even if we assume he is, it proves nothing but that some kinda golden plates existed at some point.
At least cornflakes you can show to be real.
If you knew Susie like I knew Susie, you would know she was a cornflake.
I always felt christianity was weird to begin with, but mormonism really takes the taco.
Don't say taco, I haven't eaten yet.
Let me introduce you to scientology 😂🤣
I mean, I honestly couldn't say which one is weirder. They're all absolutely off the rails.
You look good with long hair!! Glad to see it back.
I concur. The best Jimmy hair stage. GFY, dude ❤
I saw it with my spiritual eye to me translates to imagined it.
Outro scripts were absolute gold. Thank you, Eric, for suffering for our enjoyment 😂❤
Jimmy your hair looked fantastic, slay queen 💁🏻♀️ or should I say, hot jesus 🥵😂😂
Please hold callers like Milton to a definition of evidence, the rambling burble was painfully irrelevant.
Milton’s arguments broke more times than his voice during that call. Ouch.
*Joseph Smith, also lied about being able to read Egyptian hieroglyphics.*
_The Rosetta stone, revealed his lying ways._
(but believers, just kept on believing) lol
I feel like Milton really buried the lede here: After moving away from Mormonism, what made him go back? It wasn't because some dudes made some claims; it wasn't because The Book made some guesses; it wasn't because of potential anthropological finds in Meso-America.
What was it?
Mormonism belief is just so bizarre.
Religion built off a known, convicted con man, and still has millions of followers. Dude must have been very good, I can't even convince my kids to shovel the driveway
Fully believe Milton just wants a free trip somewhere and not preaching will say a missionary that doesn’t know their religion is kinda just a tourist
Except he’s paying for the mission. So if he just wants a trip, he’s clearly using the worse method. It also sounds like he wants to learn another language, which I’m really confused about because he could just go on RUclips nowadays! lol
I don't believe Milton. As Jimmy pointed out: he never answered why he left nor did he answer why he went back.
"Many reasons" but no particular one either way.
The new record is 70 minutes on a call, let's see if Aron Ra will beat that?
I wish Sagan had added one word to his famous phrase "Absence of evidence isn't *necessarily* evidence of absence."
I think it would be a lot harder to misuse that way. For anyone who's curious he was specifically talking about not yet having direct evidence of exo-planets due to the technological limitations of the time.
The man just wanna go on a mission 😂
All this talk about Mormon leaders handling the golden plates. How? Golden plates that contained the entire writings of the book of Mormon would weigh as much as a building.
It was a magic hat (+5 STR) that held the plates.
@@kr00m You're not far off. I'm just reading the Wikipedia page now, and it's even stupider than I could've imagined.
"Eyewitnesses to the process said Smith translated the plates, not by looking directly at them, but by looking through a transparent seer stone in the bottom of his hat"
@@marasmusine It's wild. I want to see Book of Mormon someday.
I really feel for Milton. I'm as amased with how he willingly follows an OBVIOUSLY silly religion (like you said Jimmy), just as I am amased as to how scientologists are convinced their religion is real. Also, just as silly.
Now I have a new earworm - "hot fat Jesus" to the tune of "cat scratch fever" 😂
I caught and appreciated the "What do you want Frank?" Jimmy, even though no one else did!
The whole battle thing in the call with Milton could have just been resolved by hammering the same thing again and again until the his utter dishonesty is clear: the absence of evidence when there should be evidence is the evidence of absence. This is what most people who don't understand when they say "absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence". Milton had nothing to show for his faith except for personal feelings.
Milton does not expect to find evidence because he knows his beliefs are make believe.
To Frank, the Kalam's conclusion establishes a GAP in our knowledge. WL Craig provides his GOD to fill that GAP. Therefore, the Kalam is a fallacious, albeit fancy, God of the Gaps argument.
The Book of Abraham, was a fragment of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, which had nothing to do with the Joseph Smith translation. .
Why do I get “Elder Cunningham” vibes from Milton and he’d be super-excited when he’s given North Sentinel Island as his mission area?
Yeah. He wants an ideal vacation, just not to Orlando
I hope you feel better soon, Jimmy.
Milton has an elaborate delusion. Unfortunately, it's just someone else's cut and paste fantasy.
Milton, when your best evidence of a thing is an interview of another guy claiming to have seen or handled the thing, but not the actual thing. That is pretty weak tea.
when ever i hear the word Mormon.. i cant help but now hear a little jingle going "dumbdumbdumb dumbdumb"
Wow that Robert call was ridiculous 😂
Forman here I never believed any of it just grew up in it never went on a mission I left the day they demanded 10% of my income.
Great opening! Jimy bringing voluminous, lustrous hair AND weird Tibetan throat-singing noises - it's official - he's the full package of awesome! 👍
For Milton, he needs to watch/read Robert Ritner’s analysis of the book of Abraham.
I enjoyed the call with Milton. He was respectful and honest (at least he believed what he said was correct). The team was respectful too. It showed it is possible to have opposing views and not get upset and angry. No one felt the need for slurs and curses, demonstrating that calls can go well.
I also enjoyed it because it gave a deeper understanding of how religion pins people down and keeps their brain on track to learn the doctoring thoroughly so even with a suspicion you are not correct, you can't leave. I feel for Milton. I hope he has a good mission that doesn't damage him too much.
There's a certain South Park episode Milton should really watch... :D
If someone is really interested in learning more about objections to the Kalaam in general and Craig's version in particular Dr Alex Malpass is a good place to start. Not citing him as an authority but he has actually made efforts to engage with this in peer review as well as more informal settings.
The debate with Sean Carroll was pretty great too
Milton never left Mormonism, liar, just like Joseph smith
Kristy Burke is wonderful! I found her at the beginning of my deconstruction journey. I’d love to see her on the Line!
Milton is a perfect example of how democracy is not a reliable model of governance, majority of miltons we’re in deep shit.
Does anyone know what happened to "End Boss"? I haven't heard any of the hosts talk about it in a while.
The first one was so bad that I think they’re working on making it better. Good concept, but it didn’t work.
Face hurts from laughing
RE: Milton (ME) - That is some of THE dumbest stuff I've ever heard in my entire life. Just, wow.
BTW, I grew up 20 min. from the location of the "golden plates". And one year, when all of the white mormons make their annual pilgrimage, my friends and I attended - while we dosed on acid...
That’s what made the ‘Book of Mormon’ theatre show so hilarious. They didn’t have to change or exaggerate any of the actual teachings, yet I nearly suffocated from laughing so hard the entire time.
To Milton I could say: "This one guy wrote that Book of Urantia is true, he has actually talked to the Galactic Council. He has no reason to lie about it, therefore its completely rational for me to dedicate my life to servicing The Galactic Council. I wouldnt except to find any physical evidence of these millions of civilizations, I think that this one guys word is enough for me."
Let us know which outro takes were your favorite by replying to this comment 👀
The spooky "joooiin us"
Jimmy, I’m going to buy your shirt next man … big fan … finally have a proper definition of what I am: Secular humanist
I love Eric but my god he’s bad at improve.
The “we’re not a cult. Come join our totally-not-a-cult cult.” Love the outros my guys. Keep up the good work!!
@@Captain_Spickard Holy cow, you said "my god", so you must believe in god.
Oh no, I just realised, I guess that makes me a Hindu now. (holy cow) lol
Wow, the mormon stories sounds wild. Curious about what other fancies is in their book.
Jimmy and Aaron have read the entirety of it in Aaron's channels
I like to imagine that Robert naturally switches between atheism and theism several times a hour. As stupid as that would be, it still feels more noble than whatever bizarre debate tactic or weaselly theist-pretending-to-be-atheist spiel he's almost definitely engaged in.
So on a whim this morning I looked up the phrase 'Skin of Evil' in the Bible; I remembered the phrase from a Star Trek episode title (the one where Tasha Yar gets murked by an inky sludge monster that embodied the evil of a whole world?) and thought maybe that's what Milton was referring to?
Anyway, closest the internet could help me find was in Micah 3, which refers to those who hate good and love evil tearing the skins off of people and butchering and cannibalizing them. It says nothing about skin color or the skin itself being evil, it is talking about evil people slaughtering God's people for food and God leaving the prophets who lead people astray in night/darkness/silence, refusing to answer them because of their abuses. He denies them visions and prophecy, reducing them to false prophets because they used their God-granted gifts to lead people into brutal sin. The phrase 'Skin of Evil' or 'Skin of Blackness' or 'Skin of Darkness' is not found, at least in any of the translations I looked through.
The darkness is referred to here metaphorically but again, nowhere in the verse is anyone described as having a skin of darkness or blackness; It's God leaving those who abuse the faith of the people to lead them astray, denying them the 'light' of his attention and wisdom, leaving them blind. The only 'skin' that is referred to is that which is being torn from people by those led into sin by abusive prophets, and the only darkness is that resulting from the 'sun' 'going down' on them and leaving those prophets in silence and shadow without God's insight.
I'd hazard to guess this is what Milton was referring to, it just doesn't really line up or meaningfully support his assertion that the term in the Book of Mormon was also metaphorical; Though it does provide a handy literary excuse for anyone trying to duck out of the whole skin of blackness thing, provided no-one looks too close at the contents of the verses in question to see how the language differs.
Let alone how the Book of Mormon's reference was historically used to support racial discrimination and abuse until it became so untenable a position that they had to find a way to weasel out of it through apologia without having to admit that the text was just wrong to begin with.
Many things are quite difficult to Milton, when hes pushed into corner, and hed rather talk about something else, when hed have to admit that theres no evidence at all to support certain things he believes in.
@theline have you considered getting either Christy Powell or Johnny p Angel on a show? Both are great hosts imo
All of you guys are Owesome, its difficult for me to even choose whose my favourite, i know matt is good, but you're just on his ass, regarding the wisdom behind your great minds.!😊
I dont think milton actually came to argue or prove anything, I think he just came to make jimmy upset "Durr durr you're a bad atheist because you didn't break my faith" but didn't realize he could hang up at any point when the hosts started to challenge him
Caller needs to read No Man Knows My History.
If Frank is not aware of the Kalam argument he might want to step back, listen, and learn. The shows used to tell newer atheists to do that for a year or two before even getting into arguments with believers. Learn about fallacies, learn the believers arguments and so many other things. I personally listened and read for years before I felt comfortable engaging in these conversations.
I plan to listen and learn but often have trouble keeping my mouth shut. Even when I was a child with my parents. Good sound advice though, thank you.
@homespuncovers89 I get it. Now I want to engage when I know I need to keep it shut!
Milton sounded like Michael Jones to me lol. But not in ideology per se 😆
Milton confused LSD with LDS and went on a trip instead of a mission.
I believe Jimmy was talking about Dan McClellan
Eric! It was literally 2 seconds! 2:09:53 to 2:09:55
Milton, I live in Old Town. If you ever want someone to talk to about religion, I'd be happy to poke some holes and discuss things.
Just like the two stone tablets that Yahweh was supposed to have engraved with his commandments, the golden plates have somehow never appeared in reality. People lie and tell tall stories in order to deceive others.
"Autism isn't what's wrong with my head, it's what's right with it." Hell fuckin' yeah! 😎
The Americas are full of areas that preserve artifacts well. There’s even a lot of well preserved textiles.
Latter day Saints: a religion created by a con artist.
Even convicted. Several times.
*Milton : Just like all religions, your faith & trust has to start, **_with the claims of men._** lol*
1:55:50 "You're describing how fragile she is and how dishonest she has to be and how she hasn't recovered from- So what kind of comfort religion has it been? It's not been a healing type of comfort, it's been a drug kind of comfort, it's been a masking of the symptoms, it's been an innoculation without a genuine immunity. She hasn't been healed, she's been covered. Religion uh- the comfort of religion isn't comfort it's denial. It's uh uh it's putting things off, it's compartmentalization, and it's tribalism. That's what comfort- that's the comfort of religion. That's where it comes from. When you're sitting there asking, 'What if I take her comfort away?' it's like you're asking, 'What if I take her oxycontin away?'"
short from being a Scientologist, being a Mormon has to be the most embarrassing thing ever.
I dont for a second belive Milton. He's either lying about leaving mormonism, or lying about everything else in the call
I recommend Tm Minchin’s “Woody Allen Jesus”
Kind of want to read the book of mormon just for the giggles
Eric had about a 2.5 second pause at 2:09:57
bring back jesus jimmy!
Milton is at least lying to himself
Robert, there are tons of videos you can watch for whatever your question from actual theists.
Chubby Jesus is what I will call Jimmy from now on.
Reminds me of Chubby Rain from Bowfinger.
It'd be a big disadvantage being chubby and then getting pinned to a stick
1:41:06
One hour and 17 minutes on Milton.? Had to give up.
Jimmy.....You look marvellous. Simply marvellous!
Hair looks perfect
I pray for the return of Chubbeezus,
Eric, did you mean infinite density?
Poor old Mikton😢
Poor Eric LOL relatable
The cognitive dissonance is excruciating. And poor Milton shows once again that intelligence (he seems to have some intelligence) is no defence against stupidity. On the contrary, it can be used to justify stupidity.
In 1976 I attended the Hill Cumorah Pageant. It was America’s bicentennial. It rained in torrents. My sister, the Mormon convert told us that the rain would subside for the show. It did just drizzle during the show. Wow, I’m so glad that she got away from this shit.
That hair tho 🤩
I’ll bet they could engineer an AI for football coaches to pick what plays to use.
Milton used to be an atheist...sure
Why do these theists call in and claim they were atheists and then went back to being a theist? They do it all the time.
Liars..
It seems to give them a sense of gravitas.
Milton..😂😂😂😂
Now that Jimmy mentions it. He does look like a Chubby Jesus.
The fact that people like Milton exist makes me sad.
Where has Forrest been?
I think he mentioned a few weeks ago that he was going on some work related field trips abroad for a few months.
Or something like that!
Hahaha good show guys.
AtheistPunk666
I missed you all