Couldn't agree more, the brushing on the case front i spotted straight away........at 7:02 no mention of the blobby edge on the bottom of the "E" and the list goes on.
I've never needed magnification or a loop to spot a fake. Not even with the $1300 clones. If you know your stuff, it's not even close. No disrespect to the video creator, but the replica in this video is terrible and it was startlingly obvious even in the small RUclips mobile app view.
I have a nice Swiss diver that I was finally able to afford in my late 40s. It reminds me of where I am in life and adds to a sense of pride in my accomplishments, etc. The sacrifices made to eventually acquire the expensive watch I wanted mattered to me. The journey to the final destination was part of the fun. In theory, a replica takes all that away. With that said, only my personal opinion and I understand doesn't apply to everyone.
@@JGA70accuracy the same? Keep dreaming. Gens are COSC and Metas certified. Reps are regulated in only 1 position and loose accuracy by the day. Even if you service and/or regulate them again.
If accuracy and power reserve matters in luxury watches they would all be solar-powered quartz. Luxury watches have value because they are expensive. Not the other way around.
Accuracy? They can be regulated to gen/COSC spec, will they stay there as long as a gen? No. Will they arrive from China like that? Unlikely. Power reserve? On the replica movements they're identical, a main spring is not an expensive item to copy. Often the micro rotor models which lack the precious metal rotor don't wind themselves as well. If it's a (decorated if clear caseback) Myoto movement then obviously the power reserve will be the same as the original movement.
@@BobbyL2k That only applies to Hublot. Most brands are actually trying to make accurate and precise watches. Much time is spent in designing and finishing the movement parts, using good materials to reduce friction and increase functionality. Cameron Weiss explain this with great detail in his video series which i highly suggest taking a look at if you are deeply interested in this topic. Sorry about the english, i'm mexican. Cheers!
At this price point it’s about who is wearing it. A celebrity can wear a fake and it be perceived as real, and then nobody can wear a real, and it will be perceived as fake.
$60K v $500 - think if the counterfeiter was to put another $500 into production - making the comparison $60K v $1K. At some point these comparisons will be saying 'I can't tell.'
There are superclones that even specialists need to open to see the difference, where the clones cut some corners to save money with hardly any effect on the functioning.
This just proves how wildly overpriced these authentic watches are. Charging tens of thousands of dollars more than what the actual Watch costs to produce.
Those promoting the authentic watches often make fools of themselves. We have all seen these frauds implore people to “invest” in storied, old watch brands due to their histories covering hundreds of years, of which the Chinese watches lack. Then of course two videos later, they tout the newest mirco-brand, that they marvel, that has a history two years! Buffoonery!
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
Regarded the engraved crown... I was under the assumption that the gen looks 'misaligned' by design because the engraving is done on different layers in the crystal instead of just superficial like the fake. This will cause a bit of parallaxing when moving the viewing angle. The fact that the crown looks 'perfect' from any random angle actually IS the tell. Don't qoute me on that, just something I came across somewhere.
Yes, from directly above the real crown in the crystal will look very good, but as you move off angle you will be able to see it look worse. But I’m sure the fakes will get this right soon if people start using this to tell fakes. As for the engraving in the rehaute real Rolexes often look like what you are showing as a tell for the fake, again depending on the angle you look at it and the magnification.
It always blows my mind that these replica manufacturers don’t enter the legit game with their own designs. Sure that requires marketing and such but I can only imagine what they could do in the $1000-$2000 price range.
I assume the profit margins are far higher if you can use the marketing machines of some of the biggest brand names and profit of the absurdly askew price acceptance in the watch enthusiast world.
But I agree... If they would hire a good designer and create original designs with the best possible quality they can achieve... They could easily develop watches that could sell for far more.
It's probably a lot more risk to start your own brand. They basically spend near-zero in marketing and product design, and they can produce as many watches as their facilities are able to, and sell them all out if they're any good. If they want to move into the $1k-$2k, I'm guessing they can just make the replicas even better, and people will flock to buy them.
Very difficult to enter the game with a design that capture the audience. Even the top brands like AP, Patek and Rolex only have one or two design models the customers is interested in.
got my 39mm with the white dial on the 3-link "Bader" bracelet watch on mamacoo 3 weeks ago and am loving it to pieces. Absolute fantastic watch that wears super comfortable on my 6.75 inch wrist. Chose the 3-link over the 5-link bracelet for the toolless quick adjustment. Way more comfortable than my Longines Hydroconquest 41 mm.
I actually encourage people to buy fakes. It exposes the ridiculous nature of the luxury watch industry. First, these fakes are 90% of the original for less than 10% of the price. We enthusiast fawn over the most minute details that don't actually matter. We literally cannot see these details with the naked eye. We talk about these details thinking that they justify these ridiculous prices. Just take the Sub. I don't need a fake to know that it's not a 10k watch. It's a 5k watch tops.
That sums up the luxury/veblen goods market in general, past a certain price point, you stop paying for the actual product and it's materials and it ends up paying for a lot of brand imagery, hype and perceived exclusivity. Essentially one is paying for what they perceive as 'social status' in goods form
Fair point regarding the production value, but it's still illegal to buy fakes. If you're really about value for money, leave the Rolex and Patek logos to the people who pay for them. Buy hommages instead.
@@edkwon Actually because of the distribution and status aspects of PPs, Rolexes, etc., I’d argue that they are more Positional Goods, than Veblen Goods, but your point stands 👍
@@juliusapriadi In the UK it’s not illegal to *buy* counterfeit goods, but it *is* illegal to sell them or import them - even personally - if you buy abroad customs can confiscate them at the airport. But yeah, I’d never buy a counterfeit - you’re only conning yourself in the end.
It would really chap my ass if I commemorated my 40th bday with the purchase of a legit Rolex and then at dinner with my wife I saw a youngster with the same watch.
Early in my journey I dabbled in replica watches and then graduated to homage watches. To be frank exactly 0 watches I Purchased lasted longer than two years. Ironically one of them was the most accurate watch I owned keeping time at +0.2 seconds per day Over the span of an entire month. Although now that Seiko movements are so wildly available I wouldn’t necessarily turn my nose up at another homage. In the end it’s one thing knowing that you will never buy a Nautilus even if you had the money but there are so many affordable micro brands now I just don’t really see the point of a copy
It's interesting to consider that with new watches, clone makers will always be playing catch-up. Manufacturers can introduce unique details, complications, and anti-cloning measures to keep the cloners perpetually behind. However, if cloners focus on replicating a specific vintage watch, they will eventually be able to create an indistinguishable 1:1 clone that no one will be able to tell apart from the original. The clones shown here are not great, there are videos of clones that cost much more that are much closer.
At this point there really is only one reliable way to authenticate a Rolex, open the case and if there is a regulator on the balance, which you clearly can see without a magnifier or a comparison watch, then it is not a genuine Rolex. Manufacturing a free sprung balance with microstella adjustment is very difficult and expensive, so counterfeiters aren't inclined to do it, yet.
Jennie, you probably have to play the pretend game by talking about a $60K mistake, but you know as well as anybody else that nobody on this planet is stupid enough to buy a PP for $60K without exercising due diligence. So what is this about then? Simple, you sit 100 average Joe's down and offer them either a $60K GEN PP or, alternatively, a $500 top-tier replica, which can be frankened with GEN dial and reworking the case to get to 98% to 99%, PLUS an additional $59,500 in CASH. Your guess, lil' girl, how many of these 100 chaps will choose the replica plus the cash? And there you have it: for the overwhelming majority of people who have to work for the money, the high-end rep will serve the purpose, the feeling of having a luxury watch on their wrist, weather it's a Rolex, a Cartier, an AP, or a PP. Today's replicas have become so perfect, and that extends to the in-house movements, that only an expert can tell 'em apart. I know several very well off folks who have high end GEN watches but also high-end replicas.
So of course the real scandal? Absurdly over priced genuine watches that cost only several hundreds of dollars to manufacture being sold for tens of thousands! Those of us who understand the psychology of marketing, as well as the economic principal of value for money, spend our dollars on San Martin, Casio, and Seiko!
With the rise of watch crime it would be significantly less painful to forfeit a 500 euro fake than a 60,000 euro Patek particularly when you need a magnifying loupe and an authentic watch to compare with. Massive issue for the future of the watch industry thats for sure.
23:11 A welding seam? 🤣 I'd like to meet the person that can weld something that small, their skills would put any watch maker to shame. It could be sodded on, but that is not a weld 😅😅😅
I’ve not used this myself, milage may vary. Check it out with a time grapher. Rolex is an excellent watch, ±2 seconds in most/all positions. I can’t imagine a fake will be able to match that. If a potential buyer pulling out a macro camera & loupe will intimidate the seller, hauling out something that will offer a quantitative analysis of the watch’s quality will make them late for the door. If it is of exceptional quality, well regulated, and visually identical isn’t it good enough? A timegrapher will probably identify any fake. Not every luxury watch can match Rolex, cosc, metas. They will show excellent quality.
If you actually encourage people to buy fakes you should research how these are made and by whom. This, as silly as it might seem, is not a victimless crime. This is an industry run by gangsters who use slave and child labor to make. You may be offended at the price of the authentic watch but those making it are not victimizing anyone but the person choosing to buy it.
Do you know this for a fact? Or are you perpetuating a story put out by Richmont, Swatch Group, Rolex, Patek, et al to guilt those into avoiding to buy clones? Facts Only, please.
A friend has a vintage submariner that I looked at… I think it’s genuine but it doesn’t have the original bracelet… but I’d love a video that looked at vintage submariner….
I think it's the most produced watch ever, so the fakers can make millions. Probably a lot of myths on what is real, like the U on the front, just a code for a certain factory I think, so, not necessarily fake with no U, etc.
Loving my Sugess steel bezel daytona homage. Doesnt say rolex on the watch and when other rolex watch weares say "nice daytona" i immediately tell them its not and they cant believe how great it looks and feels. I take it off if asked and have them wear it feel it, and they are shocked everytime. I did this the other day with someone wearing a batman and he looked at me and said " i over paid didnt I" and laughed. I said buy what you can afford and i can afford this homage and im happy.
I build my own watches. Getting these parts interest me for sure. I use unbranded versions of dials though. Trying to pass of my work as the real thing feels especially rude and tacky, but this copy is definitely something i might buy if I got a chance to at a fair price though. Not at the real versions price point, that is way way out of my reach real or no.
It seems with the level of fit and finish so well matched now, and the replica movements now better than many equally priced brands, these replica makers could launch their own brand and still be successful. Unless of course their replica movement's do not last the test of time.
The reason why you think the etched crown looks better and sharper than the genuine article is because the fake etching is all at the same level of depth in the sapphire crystal were as a real Rolex etched crown is done by using a varied depth of each spot, a very complex process which the forgers are still unable to master, the other thing is that the genuine watches etching is not as visible than a fake, I really have enjoyed your video and will be looking for more of you again. Thanks
If anyone thinks these patek phillipe watches are worth $60-100K they are fooled. These replicas honestly just let people enjoy the watches for the reason they should - because they like the way they watch looks.
The replicas keep getting better. And if it is difficult to tell them apart today then will it even be possible to tell them apart ten years from now when they get even better?
the argument is you can just give them the watch, and not worry about losing 10s of thousands. Unless people typically just start airing the place out over a watch without a threat first. idk, never been mugged
All I want to know is where can I buy the fake? It looks fantastic and I don’t care one bit about the nearly microscopic differences. So where can I get the fake Jenni?
I bought a Rolex Submariner for my husband but my friend's son is saying it's a fake. He said the writing says RELAX not ROLEX. He also says it's about half the size of a Rolex Submariner and as it has a quartz movement it can't be genuine. I paid 10k for it so I assume it's real.
Unfortunately, there are no universal 'tells' these days. it depends on the factory that the replica comes from (there are a number of them) and how much you pay for it - and it's almost impossible on a 'franken' watch which has one or two genuine parts and the rest is replica.
There are a couple very popular RUclipsrs who abhor replicas (I hate the name fakes). I ask you, what is a guy supposed to do who adores a Rolex Daydate e.g and can only dream of buying a REAL one....is he going to buy lottery tickets for the rest of his life???😅. He buys a good replica and is in awe of the high degree of workmanship to get it to look 100% like the original. 😊. Seriously, Rolex didn't just lose a sale because he was NEVER in the market to buy one in the first place!!!! By buying the replica, his interest in Rolex watches is even higher and it keeps interest in the brand. Suppose NO replicas were avaliable....he probably would lose interest in Rolex or even watches all together!!!😢. The problem I have with replicas is w❤❤😊hen some manufacturers go so far to produce serial numbers of existing REAL watches AND also produce fake BOX and PAPERS of authenticity!!! This is highly criminal. You MUST draw the line some where!!!! So you see, i am in favour of replicas UP TO A POINT!!!! To say that replicas are BAD for the watch industry is a bit harsh and closed-minded, IMO.
The word "replica" has a special meaning, as an object that looks as similar as possible to the original item, but not trying to pass as the genuine item. A replica watch would look the look, but not cary the brand name or logo. If if does, then it would be fake.
There are people out there that love a rolex but will never be able to afford one. If these clone watches are so good and a fraction of the price. Then what is wrong with someone buying one. As long as there not trying to sell it as a real rolex. Then I don't see a problem with someone wearing a watch they love but can't afford.
Could be luck. I got it in seconds. Some of the beauty of a high finished watch is how it reflects ligth. Ofcource it's easier to see when a fake is next to it
I wonder how the health and safety aspects match up, or deviate. I imagine the metal composition and coatings may not be as good and potentially as safe for human contact as the real deal in the case of knock off watches.
Wait till she discovers the 1500-3000k super clones with an authentic dial,real gold and even parts from the genuine. No one notices and no one cares. 99% of people only know a rolex. I have only ever seen AP and Rolex in the wild. Even in setting with high networth individuals they all seem to have AP, Patek and rolex. No one is checking if its real. Your life style will be the one that gives it up.
The Rolex crown engrave on the saphire in the real Rolex is worse looking in naked eye just because is engrave in many levels of the saphire cristal. When you see with the right light the crown apears in 3D. In the fake is just engrave in one level of saphire cristal!!
relying on alignment of rehault against hour markers is not a guaranteed method, Rolex makes millions watches per year, there are tons that are not perfectly align rehault but within tolerable divergence acceptance, those are fakes? definitely not
I had a fake Panerai, worn for 4 monts before everythinf broke. The shop gave me 1-1 replacement, which after 3 months, broke again. I say Fuck you fake. Got the real one and wore it nvr broke
Given that it seems to require a real expert and a real watch on hand, it kind of makes it hard for anyone to buy such a watch without that expert (and I bet even some of those get it wrong). But do they run as well? (probably not but you'd probably have to tear it apart to see that).
Hi there 😂😂 I got a fake sea dweller for £5 😂😂 i got a watch maker to put a new movent in it a 2824 ETA and is keeping great time .and to think ive save so much money.A new one is 12k
To think enterprising people would not reverse engineer an absurdly overpriced watch, and knock them off at less than a hundredth of the price of the original, is naive!
The key to distinguishing a genuine watch is never in the watch itself, but in other reference points such as your car. When you own a BMW, Mercedes-Benz, or Ferrari, who would think the watch you wear is fake? By contrast, if you drive a Korean car or Toyota, no one would believe your Patek Philippe is genuine.
Patek is pathetically overpriced and more pathetic than the Rolex hype. This watch is so boring and simple and the date window makes it look like a 100$ watch ....
Assuming someone isn’t trying to sell a fake watch as a real one, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with fake watches. Is it stealing from the brands they’re knocking off? Personally, I say no. The people buying fakes probably aren’t the same people with the means to get an allocation at an AD. So no lost sales from the brand’s perspective. Some also argue “fake watch, fake person.” Who cares? Someone owning a fake shouldn’t diminish your enjoyment of the real thing.
That clone is actually quite terrible. It was immediately apparent even in the tiny portrait view on the mobile RUclips app. I agree that the average person on the street who has never held a Nautilus would be fooled from the distance, but let's not pretend it's close. Yes, secondary market Pateks are way too expensive and primary market ones aren't attainable. But the only one you're really fooling with these knock offs are yourself and the customs officers who didn't know to chuck it when it came through. And it isn't hyperbole to say that the factories that make these are supporting terror and human trafficking operations. Feel free to look into that.
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The irony of needing a magnifying glass to spot the difference 😂
Couldn't agree more, the brushing on the case front i spotted straight away........at 7:02 no mention of the blobby edge on the bottom of the "E" and the list goes on.
only just seen the back of the watch and if you think those are jewels and not enamel paint poured in you should see an optician 🤣
I've never needed magnification or a loop to spot a fake. Not even with the $1300 clones. If you know your stuff, it's not even close. No disrespect to the video creator, but the replica in this video is terrible and it was startlingly obvious even in the small RUclips mobile app view.
I wouldn't need one: unidirectional rotor on the movement is an immediate giveaway.
Those are good copy like from hypereptime, where is the link to that?
I have a nice Swiss diver that I was finally able to afford in my late 40s. It reminds me of where I am in life and adds to a sense of pride in my accomplishments, etc.
The sacrifices made to eventually acquire the expensive watch I wanted mattered to me. The journey to the final destination was part of the fun.
In theory, a replica takes all that away. With that said, only my personal opinion and I understand doesn't apply to everyone.
The journey is more fun than the watch itself
igrotum is the master of making replicas
Hackers
The only one we can trust
Better to call the cops on them
YEPP, they sell the true ultra-clones
I wish someone would do one of these videos comparing not the superficial aspects but rather what really matters: accuracy, power reserve etc.
From a top factory, they're identical
@@JGA70accuracy the same? Keep dreaming. Gens are COSC and Metas certified. Reps are regulated in only 1 position and loose accuracy by the day. Even if you service and/or regulate them again.
If accuracy and power reserve matters in luxury watches they would all be solar-powered quartz.
Luxury watches have value because they are expensive. Not the other way around.
Accuracy? They can be regulated to gen/COSC spec, will they stay there as long as a gen? No. Will they arrive from China like that? Unlikely.
Power reserve? On the replica movements they're identical, a main spring is not an expensive item to copy.
Often the micro rotor models which lack the precious metal rotor don't wind themselves as well.
If it's a (decorated if clear caseback) Myoto movement then obviously the power reserve will be the same as the original movement.
@@BobbyL2k That only applies to Hublot. Most brands are actually trying to make accurate and precise watches. Much time is spent in designing and finishing the movement parts, using good materials to reduce friction and increase functionality. Cameron Weiss explain this with great detail in his video series which i highly suggest taking a look at if you are deeply interested in this topic.
Sorry about the english, i'm mexican. Cheers!
At this price point it’s about who is wearing it.
A celebrity can wear a fake and it be perceived as real, and then nobody can wear a real, and it will be perceived as fake.
$60K v $500 - think if the counterfeiter was to put another $500 into production - making the comparison $60K v $1K. At some point these comparisons will be saying 'I can't tell.'
There are superclones that even specialists need to open to see the difference, where the clones cut some corners to save money with hardly any effect on the functioning.
Someone did a macro comparison between a Rolex and a San Martin homage, and the San Martin was far higher quality than the Rolex.
Superb advice! Thank you! Love the new look, Jenni.
Thanks Jenni, very informative vid!!!! Keep up the great work. 👍
The vast majority of genpop will not tell the difference between a rolex and a potato let alone real vs fake
The potato is still right twice a day.
This just proves how wildly overpriced these authentic watches are. Charging tens of thousands of dollars more than what the actual
Watch costs to produce.
Most of the price of the watch goes into advertising, the replicas however can plough 100% into manufacturing.
Those promoting the authentic watches often make fools of themselves. We have all seen these frauds implore people to “invest” in storied, old watch brands due to their histories covering hundreds of years, of which the Chinese watches lack. Then of course two videos later, they tout the newest mirco-brand, that they marvel, that has a history two years! Buffoonery!
I really love your taste and style always so chic. My faves would be the kislux leather backpack and the Swarovski pave diamond ring so gorg. Thank you for your recommendations.
Regarded the engraved crown... I was under the assumption that the gen looks 'misaligned' by design because the engraving is done on different layers in the crystal instead of just superficial like the fake. This will cause a bit of parallaxing when moving the viewing angle. The fact that the crown looks 'perfect' from any random angle actually IS the tell. Don't qoute me on that, just something I came across somewhere.
Yes, from directly above the real crown in the crystal will look very good, but as you move off angle you will be able to see it look worse. But I’m sure the fakes will get this right soon if people start using this to tell fakes. As for the engraving in the rehaute real Rolexes often look like what you are showing as a tell for the fake, again depending on the angle you look at it and the magnification.
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Good evening from SEA as same
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It always blows my mind that these replica manufacturers don’t enter the legit game with their own designs. Sure that requires marketing and such but I can only imagine what they could do in the $1000-$2000 price range.
I assume the profit margins are far higher if you can use the marketing machines of some of the biggest brand names and profit of the absurdly askew price acceptance in the watch enthusiast world.
But I agree... If they would hire a good designer and create original designs with the best possible quality they can achieve... They could easily develop watches that could sell for far more.
It's probably a lot more risk to start your own brand. They basically spend near-zero in marketing and product design, and they can produce as many watches as their facilities are able to, and sell them all out if they're any good. If they want to move into the $1k-$2k, I'm guessing they can just make the replicas even better, and people will flock to buy them.
Very difficult to enter the game with a design that capture the audience. Even the top brands like AP, Patek and Rolex only have one or two design models the customers is interested in.
i think u can do a new updated version for the models, vsf and clean factories are getting better day by day. The vsf submariner is an example.
got my 39mm with the white dial on the 3-link "Bader" bracelet watch on mamacoo 3 weeks ago and am loving it to pieces. Absolute fantastic watch that wears super comfortable on my 6.75 inch wrist. Chose the 3-link over the 5-link bracelet for the toolless quick adjustment. Way more comfortable than my Longines Hydroconquest 41 mm.
I actually encourage people to buy fakes. It exposes the ridiculous nature of the luxury watch industry. First, these fakes are 90% of the original for less than 10% of the price. We enthusiast fawn over the most minute details that don't actually matter. We literally cannot see these details with the naked eye. We talk about these details thinking that they justify these ridiculous prices. Just take the Sub. I don't need a fake to know that it's not a 10k watch. It's a 5k watch tops.
Or, in the case of the counterfeit vs real PP, less than 1% of the price…
That sums up the luxury/veblen goods market in general, past a certain price point, you stop paying for the actual product and it's materials and it ends up paying for a lot of brand imagery, hype and perceived exclusivity. Essentially one is paying for what they perceive as 'social status' in goods form
Fair point regarding the production value, but it's still illegal to buy fakes.
If you're really about value for money, leave the Rolex and Patek logos to the people who pay for them. Buy hommages instead.
@@edkwon Actually because of the distribution and status aspects of PPs, Rolexes, etc., I’d argue that they are more Positional Goods, than Veblen Goods, but your point stands 👍
@@juliusapriadi In the UK it’s not illegal to *buy* counterfeit goods, but it *is* illegal to sell them or import them - even personally - if you buy abroad customs can confiscate them at the airport. But yeah, I’d never buy a counterfeit - you’re only conning yourself in the end.
Those are good copy like from hypereptime, where is the link to that?
It would really chap my ass if I commemorated my 40th bday with the purchase of a legit Rolex and then at dinner with my wife I saw a youngster with the same watch.
Early in my journey I dabbled in replica watches and then graduated to homage watches. To be frank exactly 0 watches I Purchased lasted longer than two years. Ironically one of them was the most accurate watch I owned keeping time at +0.2 seconds per day Over the span of an entire month. Although now that Seiko movements are so wildly available I wouldn’t necessarily turn my nose up at another homage. In the end it’s one thing knowing that you will never buy a Nautilus even if you had the money but there are so many affordable micro brands now I just don’t really see the point of a copy
Blue dial nautiluses are actually the easiest to distinguish between rep and genuine. Dial colour is always wrong
The variety of textures in the kisluxbag pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.
My guess: one on the left is the real Patek.
It's interesting to consider that with new watches, clone makers will always be playing catch-up. Manufacturers can introduce unique details, complications, and anti-cloning measures to keep the cloners perpetually behind.
However, if cloners focus on replicating a specific vintage watch, they will eventually be able to create an indistinguishable 1:1 clone that no one will be able to tell apart from the original.
The clones shown here are not great, there are videos of clones that cost much more that are much closer.
At this point there really is only one reliable way to authenticate a Rolex, open the case and if there is a regulator on the balance, which you clearly can see without a magnifier or a comparison watch, then it is not a genuine Rolex. Manufacturing a free sprung balance with microstella adjustment is very difficult and expensive, so counterfeiters aren't inclined to do it, yet.
Also the screws in the fake movement are of a cheaper steel, and when they were torqued down during manufacture cause obvious deformities.
Jennie, you probably have to play the pretend game by talking about a $60K mistake, but you know as well as anybody else that nobody on this planet is stupid enough to buy a PP for $60K without exercising due diligence.
So what is this about then?
Simple, you sit 100 average Joe's down and offer them either a $60K GEN PP or, alternatively, a $500 top-tier replica, which can be frankened with GEN dial and reworking the case to get to 98% to 99%, PLUS an additional $59,500 in CASH.
Your guess, lil' girl, how many of these 100 chaps will choose the replica plus the cash?
And there you have it: for the overwhelming majority of people who have to work for the money, the high-end rep will serve the purpose, the feeling of having a luxury watch on their wrist, weather it's a Rolex, a Cartier, an AP, or a PP. Today's replicas have become so perfect, and that extends to the in-house movements, that only an expert can tell 'em apart. I know several very well off folks who have high end GEN watches but also high-end replicas.
So of course the real scandal? Absurdly over priced genuine watches that cost only several hundreds of dollars to manufacture being sold for tens of thousands! Those of us who understand the psychology of marketing, as well as the economic principal of value for money, spend our dollars on San Martin, Casio, and Seiko!
This is an excellent ad for the replica. Why no link?
Because it's FAKE! Illegal, DUH!
With the rise of watch crime it would be significantly less painful to forfeit a 500 euro fake than a 60,000 euro Patek particularly when you need a magnifying loupe and an authentic watch to compare with. Massive issue for the future of the watch industry thats for sure.
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23:11 A welding seam? 🤣 I'd like to meet the person that can weld something that small, their skills would put any watch maker to shame.
It could be sodded on, but that is not a weld 😅😅😅
I’ve not used this myself, milage may vary. Check it out with a time grapher. Rolex is an excellent watch, ±2 seconds in most/all positions. I can’t imagine a fake will be able to match that. If a potential buyer pulling out a macro camera & loupe will intimidate the seller, hauling out something that will offer a quantitative analysis of the watch’s quality will make them late for the door. If it is of exceptional quality, well regulated, and visually identical isn’t it good enough? A timegrapher will probably identify any fake. Not every luxury watch can match Rolex, cosc, metas. They will show excellent quality.
The harder it gets to spot the fake, the higher the price it gets on the real one.
If you actually encourage people to buy fakes you should research how these are made and by whom. This, as silly as it might seem, is not a victimless crime. This is an industry run by gangsters who use slave and child labor to make. You may be offended at the price of the authentic watch but those making it are not victimizing anyone but the person choosing to buy it.
Do you know this for a fact? Or are you perpetuating a story put out by Richmont, Swatch Group, Rolex, Patek, et al to guilt those into avoiding to buy clones? Facts Only, please.
The irony is, that if those forgers got to honest work - they could just make a really good watch. For a decent price.
A friend has a vintage submariner that I looked at… I think it’s genuine but it doesn’t have the original bracelet… but I’d love a video that looked at vintage submariner….
You need to do a video on a fake vs real Casio F91W. Yes, they do make fakes of them.
Wow
I think it's the most produced watch ever, so the fakers can make millions.
Probably a lot of myths on what is real, like the U on the front, just a code for a certain factory I think, so, not necessarily fake with no U, etc.
All while one can purchase a Skemi, Soki, or Smael that performs as well for $2.00
Loving my Sugess steel bezel daytona homage. Doesnt say rolex on the watch and when other rolex watch weares say "nice daytona" i immediately tell them its not and they cant believe how great it looks and feels. I take it off if asked and have them wear it feel it, and they are shocked everytime. I did this the other day with someone wearing a batman and he looked at me and said " i over paid didnt I" and laughed. I said buy what you can afford and i can afford this homage and im happy.
I build my own watches. Getting these parts interest me for sure. I use unbranded versions of dials though. Trying to pass of my work as the real thing feels especially rude and tacky, but this copy is definitely something i might buy if I got a chance to at a fair price though. Not at the real versions price point, that is way way out of my reach real or no.
It seems with the level of fit and finish so well matched now, and the replica movements now better than many equally priced brands, these replica makers could launch their own brand and still be successful. Unless of course their replica movement's do not last the test of time.
I have never been disappointed since I became a customer of amzwatch. Their watches are of exceptional quality.
Are we going to talk about the movement in a minute, are we going to talk about the movement in a minute.
I want this replica factory pls
The reason why you think the etched crown looks better and sharper than the genuine article is because the fake etching is all at the same level of depth in the sapphire crystal were as a real Rolex etched crown is done by using a varied depth of each spot, a very complex process which the forgers are still unable to master, the other thing is that the genuine watches etching is not as visible than a fake, I really have enjoyed your video and will be looking for more of you again. Thanks
If anyone thinks these patek phillipe watches are worth $60-100K they are fooled. These replicas honestly just let people enjoy the watches for the reason they should - because they like the way they watch looks.
The replicas keep getting better. And if it is difficult to tell them apart today then will it even be possible to tell them apart ten years from now when they get even better?
Imagine getting mugged, stabbed or worse over a fake watch
Imagine wearing a watch that might cause you to get stabbed, I don't think one is better than the other.😂
the argument is you can just give them the watch, and not worry about losing 10s of thousands. Unless people typically just start airing the place out over a watch without a threat first. idk, never been mugged
All I want to know is where can I buy the fake? It looks fantastic and I don’t care one bit about the nearly microscopic differences. So where can I get the fake Jenni?
I’ve been eyeing Seiko-Mod watches for a while now, only they still say Seiko on the dial. Maybe they’re better than I suspect
I got an explorer 2 seiko mod, for the money i paid, i freaking love this thing
@@zonatedproduct I’ve been shopping on Chrono Canada and they have a Daytona and subs that look pretty incredible. Maybe it’s time to pull the trigger
The laser crown has depth, much harder to copy.
igrotum is the only factory that makes replica watches with real gold and parts
Send link to replicas here please.
I bought a Rolex Submariner for my husband but my friend's son is saying it's a fake. He said the writing says RELAX not ROLEX. He also says it's about half the size of a Rolex Submariner and as it has a quartz movement it can't be genuine. I paid 10k for it so I assume it's real.
There is a watch that is a replica that's called a Relax. Looks pretty close..
Unfortunately, there are no universal 'tells' these days. it depends on the factory that the replica comes from (there are a number of them) and how much you pay for it - and it's almost impossible on a 'franken' watch which has one or two genuine parts and the rest is replica.
Someone did a macro comparison between a Rolex and a San Martin homage, and the San Martin was far higher quality than the Rolex.
There are a couple very popular RUclipsrs who abhor replicas (I hate the name fakes). I ask you, what is a guy supposed to do who adores a Rolex Daydate e.g and can only dream of buying a REAL one....is he going to buy lottery tickets for the rest of his life???😅. He buys a good replica and is in awe of the high degree of workmanship to get it to look 100% like the original. 😊. Seriously, Rolex didn't just lose a sale because he was NEVER in the market to buy one in the first place!!!! By buying the replica, his interest in Rolex watches is even higher and it keeps interest in the brand. Suppose NO replicas were avaliable....he probably would lose interest in Rolex or even watches all together!!!😢. The problem I have with replicas is w❤❤😊hen some manufacturers go so far to produce serial numbers of existing REAL watches AND also produce fake BOX and PAPERS of authenticity!!! This is highly criminal. You MUST draw the line some where!!!! So you see, i am in favour of replicas UP TO A POINT!!!! To say that replicas are BAD for the watch industry is a bit harsh and closed-minded, IMO.
The word "replica" has a special meaning, as an object that looks as similar as possible to the original item, but not trying to pass as the genuine item. A replica watch would look the look, but not cary the brand name or logo. If if does, then it would be fake.
There are people out there that love a rolex but will never be able to afford one. If these clone watches are so good and a fraction of the price. Then what is wrong with someone buying one. As long as there not trying to sell it as a real rolex. Then I don't see a problem with someone wearing a watch they love but can't afford.
Could be luck. I got it in seconds. Some of the beauty of a high finished watch is how it reflects ligth. Ofcource it's easier to see when a fake is next to it
Rehault can be off on the gen as well
I wonder how the health and safety aspects match up, or deviate. I imagine the metal composition and coatings may not be as good and potentially as safe for human contact as the real deal in the case of knock off watches.
No more unsafe than being in constant contact with plastic as we are
I wouldn't think that it makes a big difference for most.
Steel is steel. Nothing will happen. U touch all kinds of steels each day and did for all ur life
It's just a matter of time before replicas will be 100% identical to the real watches
At one given point, you will not can tell any difference
If I had an authentic Nautilus to compare, I wouldn’t bother with a replica.
Both does not looks worth the price.
If you know you’re buying a replica and they are straight forward about it, call me crazy but…I would buy this. This is a great replica
Nowadays the superclones are much better than the submariner showed.
😂In some countries they eat deep fried tape worms😂
24:00 Really? Would you be willing to bet money it isn't called chromalight then?
Wait till she discovers the 1500-3000k super clones with an authentic dial,real gold and even parts from the genuine. No one notices and no one cares. 99% of people only know a rolex. I have only ever seen AP and Rolex in the wild. Even in setting with high networth individuals they all seem to have AP, Patek and rolex. No one is checking if its real. Your life style will be the one that gives it up.
The Rolex crown engrave on the saphire in the real Rolex is worse looking in naked eye just because is engrave in many levels of the saphire cristal. When you see with the right light the crown apears in 3D. In the fake is just engrave in one level of saphire cristal!!
just give me the san martin version
makes you wonder if 100k USD watches are justified if they can be made for $500
The psychology of marketing at work!
relying on alignment of rehault against hour markers is not a guaranteed method, Rolex makes millions watches per year, there are tons that are not perfectly align rehault but within tolerable divergence acceptance, those are fakes? definitely not
🤣 Dior.... whose next?
I had a fake Panerai, worn for 4 monts before everythinf broke. The shop gave me 1-1 replacement, which after 3 months, broke again. I say Fuck you fake. Got the real one and wore it nvr broke
easiest way to spot a fake watch is to see the owner . he would be fake person
I want to spot the real watch so I DON'T buy it. I want the replica.
What everyone here wants to know is: WHERE DO YOU BUY THAT REPLICA?? To buy me one!!
Given that it seems to require a real expert and a real watch on hand, it kind of makes it hard for anyone to buy such a watch without that expert (and I bet even some of those get it wrong). But do they run as well? (probably not but you'd probably have to tear it apart to see that).
stop swapping original and fake comparison left and right. hard to follow. if start with original on the right, stick with it.
Hi there 😂😂 I got a fake sea dweller for £5 😂😂 i got a watch maker to put a new movent in it a 2824 ETA and is keeping great time .and to think ive save so much money.A new one is 12k
sure you did buddy
Thanks for the video Jenni. That´s why I only buy Lange & Söhne. They are simply unfakeble.
These watches are repped because they are not exceptional. People only buy a brand. The scammers are not the Chinese in this market...
The most annoying thing about videos like this is they don't provide links to the alternative manufacturers.
Why would Jenni, whose entire business relies on authenticity, promote a fake factory?
@@iRDaBrit /r/whoosh
VSF and Clean factory. Check the reptime subreddit and thank me later.
Of course not, is not her hubby a dealer/broker? They want to sell the real thing to those crayon eating rubes!
PF are some of the ugliest looking watches out there, I don’t get why anyone would pay such premium for such a featureless mundane watch
2 thank-yous. Thanks for wearing long sleeves to hide your tattoos, and not including your husband. His English is atrocious.
Igrotum has the best watches
These are old fake watches now thy are getting better unfortunately
To think enterprising people would not reverse engineer an absurdly overpriced watch, and knock them off at less than a hundredth of the price of the original, is naive!
The key to distinguishing a genuine watch is never in the watch itself, but in other reference points such as your car. When you own a BMW, Mercedes-Benz, or Ferrari, who would think the watch you wear is fake? By contrast, if you drive a Korean car or Toyota, no one would believe your Patek Philippe is genuine.
Patek is pathetically overpriced and more pathetic than the Rolex hype. This watch is so boring and simple and the date window makes it look like a 100$ watch ....
IT RUINS THE HOBBY…
Fake is such a dirty word. How about copy rights infringement homage?
lovely word creation. But legally it's still dirty idea theft and no fancy words will change that :)
Its a ripoff
The definition of “homage” is “special honor or respect shown publicly.” An “infringement” is a violation. Respectful violation is an oxymoron.
@@juliusapriadi How about satire. Obviously fake is because it's F A K E.
@@NCSheriff7 Yes......
Assuming someone isn’t trying to sell a fake watch as a real one, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with fake watches.
Is it stealing from the brands they’re knocking off? Personally, I say no. The people buying fakes probably aren’t the same people with the means to get an allocation at an AD. So no lost sales from the brand’s perspective.
Some also argue “fake watch, fake person.” Who cares? Someone owning a fake shouldn’t diminish your enjoyment of the real thing.
That clone is actually quite terrible. It was immediately apparent even in the tiny portrait view on the mobile RUclips app. I agree that the average person on the street who has never held a Nautilus would be fooled from the distance, but let's not pretend it's close. Yes, secondary market Pateks are way too expensive and primary market ones aren't attainable. But the only one you're really fooling with these knock offs are yourself and the customs officers who didn't know to chuck it when it came through. And it isn't hyperbole to say that the factories that make these are supporting terror and human trafficking operations. Feel free to look into that.
Fake watches for Fake people
What about fake people who purchase genuine watches?
Where can i buy the replica from?🥹
These differences are fairly obvious due to Pateks perfect finishing. Much trickier to spot the fake when it comes to Rolex