Anyone blaming the engine builder for Mullet destroying rods clearly has no idea what they are talking about. Garrett said it himself that they were leaning on it way too much and the engine was performing outside of its design parameters hence why it finally crapped the bed.
It’s very clear it’s Steve’s fault…. Don’t believe me ask Texas speed you never leave garret and crew alone with lap top Steve knew better rookie mistake (This is a joke guys calm down)
Old Crank machinist here...my money is on a tiny flaw (crack) in one of the fillets where it lived for many runs and it finally got to the point where it started flexing due to harmonics and stress. I can't wait for the magnaflux results. :)
Hmm. Yes definitely Crank As came back twice.......Perfect build on original Service checks(lifter and fuel rails) Failure was in Machinist rebuilding @ Bearings stage........🧐🧐Bent is always Bent at BOTH ends (Harmonically speaking)👍👍
oooooooorrrrrrrrr, he's making more power than the engine could handle! Cleetus pushed this motor pasted its breaking point. Did you even watch the sick week videos.
Don't you just love all the keyboard engine builders? Lol. I applaud you for going thru and explaining all this stuff. You're building high performance engines that are pushed to, and beyond, the limits, so it's just a matter of time before stuff breaks. Learning from that and building with different/better components is how things keep advancing. Looking forward to you sharing more knowledge as time goes on.
Steve, I love how you answer questions differently depending on if they’re a logical thought or not. When people don’t use common sense at all, you give them the wise ass remark they deserve. When they bring up a good point, you explain why it’s likely or not. Appreciate the knowledge you’re spreading and the time you take to do it. Amazing stuff.
He'd covering for Garrett here because this is stick on Dry Start damage its the same as oil pump failure damage, I even said on both this channel and on Garretts channel that this would be the exact damage have a look in my history on both channels. I accurately described what the damage was and I'm now worried Steve might not be as genuine as made out as on the 4 instances I've dealt with dry engines its been this exact damage even on the last one which was a Yamah R1 engine that had been started and ran by accident by a dealership mid oil change. The back half clams dry up and spin the front ones where oil residue is still being pulled from the oil passages survive. Same with failed oil pump damage.
BTW this channel is now getting called Snowflakey due to all the "who said what to who" crap and Steve wants to Address that. If you put a vid on youtube and leave the comment section open then you can expect opinions as a byproduct. Crying about opinions is the 101 of being a Snowflake it really is.
He leaned on it to hard, the crank bent, the rods left the chat. Build it, run it, break it, repeat. Same thing we all do. If you want it to live forever without having to rebuild it, leave it stock and enjoy the warranty. Pay no attention to the internet, people suck. I came here from Cleetus channel and I'm sure a bunch more did too. That has to help you when we view your videos and comment. I'm proud to see the partnership and can't wait to see what's next. I enjoy the after action reviews the most!
I did watch the build of the mullet engine. You are great at paying attention to the little details. You share much more than Most builders would ever do and I appreciate that. Dead on calling out the so called experts from their couch.
I wish more people would be like Steve and explain how and why he does things the way he does. I’m learning more from watching him tearing down and building these engines than reading about it. I can see his frustration but Steve has a lot of patience for dealing with stupid. Thank you Steve Morris you’re an inspiration for a lot of us.
Keyboard engine builders! Steve sets it straight low key calling them out. Simple, mullet was a killer build for a job and that job got exceeded and finally checked out. Killer videos with tons of info.
"In this episode, you'll see Professor Steve schooling a bunch of bench racers that think they can solve the problem because they had a 3/4 race cam in their 77 Camaro back in the 90's"
Love the level of detail you go into. Garrett did get back on the gas for not a small amount of time after the rods let go, so the theory about the crankshaft getting burned after the rods failed may have some merit. His datalog showed how long he got back in it. Not sure, may not have been long enough to spin the bearing but he definitely got it back on boost after the rod failure.
As he should! One of the best engine builders in the country, who even put together the Devel 16 engine(this is how highly Steve is looked at in the motorsports scene), does not need advice from youtube comments, or comments telling him about his job! Steve is a professional. If he needed lecturing from YT comments, he wouldnt be where he is at now!
I hope he can maintain it. We are so freeking lucky to have someone at his level share the amount of things he does. I hope these morons don't cause him to stop.
It's amazing some of the comments directed towards the engine build. If anyone watches Cleetus they KNOW that Steve has stated, ON CAMERA, to Garrett that the engine combo is good for 35 lbs. of boost, max. They were running 45-50 lbs. of boost, and Cleetus owned it 100% when it blew. He had horseshoes last year. SMX time.
Yep, if anything Mullet's engine is an example of just how good Steve's engines really are! The amount of abuse it withstood is impressive to say the least!
I can’t remember 100% but I think with those big turbos on mullet now, Steve only said 25psi. Still be 3000hp but they were already running 30-35psi to go 6.5’s and then Garrett wanted more boost up around the 45+psi lol. And people still trying to have a go at steve….
Keep up the good work bud, Most of these computer chair engine builders would struggle to rebuild a Briggs and Stratton.. let alone a 2000+HP big block..
I laughed multiple times at your snarky responses Steve... One thing I remind myself of on a daily basis is that you CAN'T FIX STUPID! love the videos brother!
As a gear head we do appreciate your time and knowledge. I really enjoyed all the Steve tech videos. Stay safe and keep making these videos for the true fans and racers
"Steve's face doesn't use its inside voice." 😆 😂 🤣 I found that hilarious because my wife has the same problem when dealing with certain people. Great comment, man.
Hes damage controlling for Garretts oil free startup on this one. That's blatantly dry running damage it was even predicted the exact part that would go first with people familiar with the oil delivery passages on this bbc engine. Steve can point at whatever he likes but this is oil starvation damage that half clam roasted up because it was starved of pressure driven oil. End of.
I go back to what you said during the tear down. Cleetus was leaning way harder on Mullet’s engine than what you felt was a safe zone for it to run. But, you have to be proud of what Cleetus put it through last year and took a lot of wins home.
Steve morris you are a bloody legend for taking the time to show us all this stuff and educate us all, i love your attitude to the questionable comments. This video and all of your others just show what sort of character you are, very open minded, but straight to the point no bullshit answers. Keep it up!!!! You da man!
I’m from the diesel world (so higher cylinder pressures) but we found out even high quality cranks will flex, like a lot. In a Cummins (in-line 6) there maybe as much as 3-5 degrees of flex from cylinder 1 to 6. Firepunk has an awesome video on it. I never thought a crank would flex like that and not break. Amazing the stuff holds together at all
Steve I learned a valuable lesson from one Samuel Clements ie Mark Twain. He said “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Thanks for all of this amazing information your share with us. And PS is there an SMX headed Garrett’s way or is he on a waiting list?
Steve is more upfront than anyone I’ve seen. If I had the money he would be on my shortlist for builders. It’s amazing that the muppets online alway seem to know better than actual experts.
I have rebuilt a bunch of race engines over the years and some just lock up as soon as you start them, some run for thousands of miles trouble free before destroying themselves and everything in between. The trick is learning from every broken engine and applying that lesson to the next build. 😎 loving the response from Steve answering the keyboard builder questions with low key shade 😂
@@tylermallory2504 If any tradesman tells you he's never screwed up a job, he's lying through his teeth. Everyone makes mistakes, but you can tell a lot about a man by how he responds to messing up.
I know your pain steve. As a cnc machinist when there's a problem with some part or program and everyone turns into a programmer and/or a machinist and starts "suggesting what's wrong or how to fix it, I have to bite my tongue and try my hardest to not tell them to stfu.
I spent most of my career building custom machines for factories, after 25 years doing it I'm still amazed how many supervisors and managers instantly become experts on machining or electrical or automation and magically know more than me the guy who built these one of a kind machines lol
After 40yrs of being a bodyman and everyone thinking they could do it because they pop riveted a piece of sheet metal on a rust hole and painted it with a spray can, my tongue has calluses because of biting it so much.
Yep. I used to own a dyno tuning company and it was always the Tuners fault. Ignorance runs rampant. People never want to be responsible for their actions, it is always "someone else's fault".
I'll be honest the cnc guys I know are pretty much a human monkey just typing and likely and cause more dramas than a batman villain. Communication is not you guys strong point infact the best line I heard as an excuse for a £55grand mess up was a CNC guy and the excuse was "I'm not paid to think" 🤣 Edit: not you mate I don't know you hahaha just the CNC guys I do know must be the ones that done the home college method to meet the grades. Thats a thing here in the UK they employ these open college guys like they are the real deal.
I love that you can see the frustration on your face from repetitive "dumb" questions LoL Also super smart move chopping the driveshaft to keep a meatball from trying to use it! Awesome video as always! Happy to see your getting more and more into the RUclips world!
Honestly love the work you great guys do. You’ve done this for years and I wouldn’t feel you need to explain what you found and how you’ve rebuilt an engine just for people to blame a build. Love the channel! 🤝🏼
I've been around engine builders my whole life and it's amazing the knowledge you have and how you explain things. Not saying others aren't knowledgeable but most don't explain stuff like you do. I've worked at a racing engine machine shop and love to watch your videos to listen to all your years of knowledge.
I know EXACTLY what happened to this engine. Mullet got very excited with himself when the engine got pulled to recondition it. He had ALL that time to sit quietly and dream about getting a engine put back in him so he could haul it down the track running all the boost he wanted. When he got his engine put back in, it took him about 400 miles and a few runs to say WAIT A DAMN MINUTE, this all seems awful familiar. It was during the last run that he got the ah haaaaa moment and realized, Cleetus and Steve had pulled a fast one on him basically giving him back his old engine and he felt like he got shafted with a refurbished job here. SO what does Mullet do? He said F this I will show ya'll and BOOM.. down she goes. He said now, THAT aughta do it.. Give me a SMX or I will drop it worse next time. AND THAT folks is how Mullet took care of the issue and cost his dad a shit ton of money while getting his way in the end :)
Thank you for having the patience to answer even the silly questions... I learn so much watching your videos .. Anyone that closely watches your content knew this was a possibility and not a reflection on builder 🤦 Keep up the great work S.M. Crew 🇺🇲💪
As a fan of Steves he's sounding like a Snowflake now. He wants to just bin they emails and not care. I'm not interested in prickly vids I want tech talk and if Steves getting prickly over comments then he should stop reading them altogether. This comment section is turning into a prickly mess full of snowflakes and nut bag swingers.
Boost will eventually find a weak link if there is one. You never know that link until it shows it's scattered parts. You build amazing motors and when I win the lottery I'll have one. Thanks for all you do.
I love how cleetus started just throwing junk in random orders to do his spring cleaning, and everyone else started it too. Great way to clean up your shop and sell extra merch. Two birds, one stone
The engine was built for a certain amount of boost it was pushed way over that limit And it did exactly what any other engine would do if you exceeded its limits 😉 👌 Another engine sent to boost heaven Keep up the amazing work Steve
This just goes to show how most people are always so eager to point fingers. Most people don't see or appreciate the fact that it brought a 3500 lb car into the 6's or how it won 3 big events and drove 3k miles without any major issues. Keep up the good work Steve, really enjoy all the videos.
I would never attempt to give you advice on anything to do with an engine! The fact that you make all this simple is the definition of a true expert! Please keep doing what your doing! Finger warriors be damned!
@@bigduphusaj162 I don't think you know what a "snowflake" is, but I'm glad you found a fun keyword. Anyways, you are correct that people can say what they like, which is what we have done. What if you took your own advice and YOU got over it?
@@kevinb873 snowflake is someone who gets butt hurt over even peoples opinions. Infact the No1 criteria for being a Snowflake is being annoyed by opinions. Furthermore when people are on the defensive and claiming they are "educating" people are often doing it because they are hiding something. On this case Steve is hiding the tech book knowledge on oil starvation since the Steam ages. Massive amounts of people predicted this exact damage after witnessing Garretts dry start vid and since crystal balls don't exist and fluke only happens the odd time then we must assume they were 100% correct. You gunna cry about the maths and science behind it now pal and commit Snowflake sin No2?
I really appreciate you breaking this down for us, going through the questions and giving us different scenarios to try and comprehend, I don't think there is anywhere you can go to get this type of education
gotta love the armchair builders, Cletus clearly stated he was pushing the engine well past what it was designed to do. love your work Steve keep it coming!
Can’t wait for the FUN SPIRTED, LESSON TEACHING STEVE !! To come back, almost seemed like someone pushed his buttons before the video, I’ll put that aside and come back to watch more !!!! Love the time and effort you put into your channel for us !!! God bless
Champion. You’re a master craftsman and people need to respect your technical abilities. Also all these people must have missed you telling Cleeter he’s pushing way past the abilities of the engine you built for him and it’s only a matter of time.
This BLOKE is a legend and well known around the world. Im in Australia and love watching this guys clips. People are hilarious if they are telling YOU how to build an engine LMFAO Keep up the great work buddy, and these info uploads, love learning from 1 of the best in the WORLD !
Big fan from New Zealand here. I feel like half the people commenting came straight from Cleetus' channel to blame Steve without watching his build vid. I love how cause it broke it must be Steve's fault! Push the limits and you start to break stuff. I never heard people say Steve built his engine wrong when it decided it didn't want any pistons and rods.
@@BrickNewton Imagine telling any other engine builder in the world about your NO OIL starts lmao Wish Cleetus came over with the Street Outlaws =) Oh and over here we are so JELLY of your rotang builders, This country builds over priced ticking time bombs !
I'm a Country Guy and as kids we were always told" listen more, talk less so " that's why I love listening/ watching you break down these motors . it's awesome and we appreciate it !
I had no idea that we had so many armchair machinist in the world!! Sorry to hear so many people that should listen instead of speaking are writing in . You have more experience as an engine designer and builder than most people have seen or heard of. Props to you for keeping your cool when discussing and teaching the public about your trade and passion!
I thoroughly enjoy the teardown videos and the trying to figure out what went south. I've grenaded a few over the years myself and it's always interesting to try and figure out at what point the pin was pulled. I was amazed when you lifted the head and that valve was just laying on top of the piston. Never seen that before lol. I fully expected to see a vacant hole and a destroyed head.
The first engine I rebuilt seized up on the freeway in the rain. That was fun. I truly was surprised to see piston material on the TOP side of the carb butterfly. Huh, look at that. Didn't know that was possible. lol
Garretts dry start has dried the back trailing clam furthest from the oil passage based on crank rotation. Its then grabbed and spun on subsequent heat cycles and caused the damage. The out of roundness was the kickback from when it went kaput and is common to get that in any instance when a rod has failed and the remaining portion of the rod is able to connect with the block. There are numerous reasons for the out of roundness, the actual event of destruction started when that clam had been roasted due to lack of oil then its grabbed an spun. Textbook oil starvation chain of events. Steve can claim otherwise but that engine failed because Garrett ran it with no oil it's blatant short term oil starvation, long term you see other clams doing the same and the valavetrain gets it too.
Really enjoy the videos Steve, I learn a lot every time I tune in. A friend had his SBC he dragged raced taken apart to freshen it up in the off season. He took the crankshaft to have it polished at his trusted machine shop. This was a real race piece, lighted, knifed edge counters, best you could get for the day. It was there for about 6 weeks after it was ready because he just got busy with other thing in his shop. So the machine shop called to remind him so he ask his brother-in-law to pick it up for him. When he put crank back in the block he plastic gauged the mains and the #4 main was tight. Thought the barring must be mislabeled so he swapped it with another and it was still off but not as much. Took it back to the machine and they put it on the crank grinder and sure enough it was bent. As best he could tell at some time it had been dropped. When he had brought it in the first time to the machine shop it a wooden shipping box. The machine shop says they raped it in plastic and put it back in the same box after it was done being polished. But it was wrapped in plastic but no box when his brother-in-law brought it in to his shop. So he came to the conclusion that it was probably dropped off the loading dock at the machine shop by the brother-in-law and he through the broken wooden box away. The brother-in-law still will not admit it even after my friend passed a way. Not saying that happened with Mullets, but stranger thing do happen...
Hes covering for Garretts dry start. This is 100% dry engine or oil pump failure damage, the clam furthest from the passage going off crank rotation always gets it first then it spins. This is the stick on damage you get from no oil and I really don't care if Steve is claiming otherwise. This is even the same resultant damage as there was in engines folk ran on milk and other silly attempts at lubrication as a test for a youtube vid. The last one I personally seen this on was a dry started R1 engine and it was the identical damage bar obviously being a multivalve engine.
Incredible content, thank you Steve! Just to think that an SMX block can drive cross country while making 4500 HP is absolutely mind blowing, absolute car guy dream goals to own one of these one day.
I respect Steve so much for making this video. The guy has a very tough job and when this stuff happens I'm sure he gets drug through the dirt. Steve possibly has the toughest youtube channel ever. He has to be perfect all the time on his engines and defend himself to the pro engine builders in the comments. Sure he doesn't have to do that but the fact he's even acknowledging them is awesome.
Great video , really cool that you take the time to answer the questions , even if it is a shame that some people feel the need to ask/state them to you. Not everyone has a mechanical background so it is great when you dismiss the B/S. When will the shop be installing a magical crystal ball that allows you to see into the future so it doesnt happen again?
Steve you’re a legend, and so are you’re engines. I honestly take my hat off to you being able to be professional and somewhat respectful when answering questions.I build my own engines for my car, and I hear these same things come from people at my work (work in retail) people just don’t understand anything can just go wrong when making mass amounts of horse power. Things just break. P.s answer from a Metallurgist (in a nut shell) if a steel rod was to be made to replace a billet rod, besides the forging process and mix being much much harder to perfect, it would have to be at a minimum 4.8 times the size/ thickness just to withstand the same force. But then also limiting rpm due to the additional weight. Sure like for like size could probably be made but the cost time research isn’t worth the thought
It will always be wild to me that you drop so much information and explain everything and people still try to be armchair mechanics. Although seeing your response to their comments is top tier and I’m here for it
@@bigduphusaj162 LOL!!! You're username is so fitting! Plus - "This channel has no videos" so... On here, unless you post evidence on your channel you are a 14 year old kid in your parents basement. Prove you aren't. It would be REALLY hard. Upload a video on this platform. It will take you seconds. Oh, you won't? Ok. Hi 14 year old kid.
@@manfrommaine1194 yeah about the engines he deals with hes clearly clued right up i watch him because of it. He doesn't know more about say Napier Deltic than me or any marine engine or any mass produced German car engine or motorbike engine. I own the engine shop here in the UK and personally deal in marine now but spent 3 decade on car and motorbike engines.
Great video, Steve. I've been working on almost everything with an engine since I was a kid, and I still learn something every time I watch any of your videos. Keep up the great work, brother.
LOVE IT!! Ignore the trolls! You and Cleetus teaming up is amazing. With your help he has gone so far. You and him being teamed up is amazing for both of you in my opinion. Nobody can find the limits in a controlled chaos kind of way better then Cleetus. And without you I doubt he would be at the level he now is. Can't wait to see what the two of you have in store!
It is this type of video that makes this channel so watchable. Many have questions when this level of damage occurs, so who better to answer them than the guy who built the engine. Brilliant stuff again Steve.
It is a shame Steve has to make these videos thought it was clear in the I am sending you off to war and the pull apart videos of the engine... Anyone with any knowledge of the giraffes foot knows it is not going to have a happy time
Appreciate how in-depth how you explain how these high performance engines are built, work, and the troubleshooting processes. All I know is that part of racing is things break because you’re pushing for top performance. These things happen. Higher the pressures, something will eventually fail. What I’m impressed with is how the block contained the damage to just those two cylinders and kept the damage to a minimum.
I’ve been watching from the beginning, I have no idea what Im Doing but you do, Idk how you can give comments some much time and energy, you are an engineer a master engine builder. Thank you for taking the time to explain things to people who have no idea what they are talking about. Keep up the amazing content ❤
Some of us have opened 1000s of engines pal and we know short term oil starvation when we see it. You speak for yourself as clueless not for me or the other engine builders I know on this channel
Steve you know we know more about this stuff then you do that’s why we have all this free time to watch your videos and comment while your still in shop working.. it’s not that we can’t be awesome successful engine builders it’s cause we to busy trying to teach you how to.. get it together man and listen to us
It's than, NOT then. It's not that difficult. The word "then" means "at that time" and is used to talk about when things will happen. The word "than" is used to compare things.
Steve, we used to keep a glass cabinet called the "hall of shame". We used it to display different components that were broken in various ways as a "show and tell" to customers (this was industrial equipment and not automotive but the principle applies) as explanations and cautionary tales. You might want to stick a bin in the corner with damage from bent crankshafts, backfires, lean conditions, no oil, dropped valve, etc.) Just a suggestion since you seem to enjoy teaching with visual aids. (this was industrial equipment and not automotive but the principle applies) (this was industrial equipment and not automotive but the principle applies)
Great videos Steve, the knowledge and somewhat some of your secrets of your career in engine building that you’ve learned and adapted and engineered out to the public speaks volumes. To my knowledge you are the only one to produce a water jacketed promod engine to run on the road after drag racing is quite impressive. Thank you for you starting this channel.
Also like Cleetus said in his own video he was pushing this engine setup beyond what you told him too from the start this year. Max Boost 35psi and he was running 45+ Sooner than later something is gonna give at those power levels. Last year he stayed at 35psi until the very end.
That half clam rapid heated and spun due to the dry start Garrett done. This exact damage was predicted by myself and others on both this channel and Garretts channel last week. There was loads of people accurately predicted this damage before now and I've no idea why Steve isn't fully calling it out as it's the same damage as when an oil pump fails. No iffs or buts this is lack of oil damage 100%
@@bigduphusaj162 LOL!!! You're username is so fitting! Plus - "This channel has no videos" so... On here, unless you post evidence on your channel you are a 14 year old kid in your parents basement. Prove you aren't. It would be REALLY hard. Upload a video on this platform. It will take you seconds. Oh, you won't? Ok. Hi 14 year old kid.
@@bigduphusaj162 in my experience that’s not consistent at all with the damage . Why would a couple of seconds idling without oil pick on ONLY one main and coincidentally the pair of rods downstream in the oiling system from that main? Why would it run, drive, and make several passes and then fail? Damage from lack of oil a) would show on all bearings, and b) would show all the way AROUND the bearings. The scoring on only one side of the crank journal is THE clue. Nothing does that but a physically bent crank. I will be interested to see what the analysis of the crank shows. It could just have deflected from the boost levels and the fact that both the crank and block were pushed beyond their limits. But my hunch is that the cumulative abuse finally triggered a small fatigue crack that allowed it to deflect under load, and then the failure proceeded quickly.
@@stevelacker358 nobody cares about your experience pal least of all me. The tech books dictate that if oil starvation is suspected the first protocol is to inspect the clams for heat damage specifically the trailing clams aka the clams that the oil gets smeared round to not the leading one. This has been well documented since the steam age (you forgot to grease that big bearing set that are directly taking the control arms/rails force in a Steam engine then you get put in hospital with shrapnel) The very first bit of damage you get on a pump failure or dry start on 90% of engines is the trailing clams and that's THE STANDARD chain of events. You or me or Steves opinion matters not one jot when this is the EXPECTED chain of events from a dry Start. End of discussion mate it really is and furthermore the second you dry start any engine the resultant premature mechanical failure of that engine is likely associated with the dry run. The fluke capabilities of any engine depends on how much oil is still stored in it residually and how long it's been ran for once the residual oil has been displaced. Residual oil too you need to remember how gravity works is why its able to do act as a feed and still able to oil a part enough to keep it cool with no pressure whatsoever. The idiocy in expecting every part to be worn at the same rate with a short dry start is beyond the pale. Thats like saying everything should melt instantly at the same rate if the the coolant pump stops working. The people arguing on here against the morons spamming Steves email I'm with them 100% they are wrong in the head the mans got bigger fish to fry.. I'm not one of them this is an open discussion on what happened to this engine on youtube so please don't just argue with my facts about the tech book protocols just coz you mistook me for an email muppit. Cheers
@@stevelacker358 ohh and the "downstream rods" damage was because the crank would have whipped like an absolute nutter as soon as it picked that bearing up. Remember that is the same damage you get if you repeatedly try to start a hot seized engine it will throw rods all over the place and only one set of half clams are damaged. You can see LS Georges mishaps with the junker engine detonation as proof of that mate plus I think you already know that's the case but you'd rather argue and type it out in a way it seems odd, when it's not, it's the norm. If you want to tell a bare faced lie and claim that all half clams need to be damaged for rods to have given up the ghost then go ahead.. but expect to be laughed at from anyone that's opened an engine they sent more than one rod on a holiday. You all need to remember that cranks do huge amounts of damage to the entire block and bottom end from being grabbed or slowed down rapidly due to bearing failure or spun bearings. Steve even talked in a tech vid about cranks causing damage due to bending/whipping etc and that's just from engines that were put in a 4x4 drive train when originally designed as a conventional 2wd package. The 4wd added extra forces to the thruster and the middle journals as the crank would bend like a bow.
Steve Morris owes no explanation to these RUclips mechanics. Hes been doing this for years. Ive seen hundreds of his engines put through the ringer with no issues. Everything built by him is absolutely spot on. Any failure that happens is driver error, poor maintenance or simply a part failure. Good job steve!
Emails on what went wrong? Seriously? To a shop that literally does this day in and day out for many many years and many more to come hopefully. God I pity there doctors they may have to go see lol. Keep the videos rockin Steve. (Everyone's a snake expert until it's time to pick up said non venomous snake)
Heavy is a understatement for that thing I have no clue what was going through his head when they built it that he left it that heavy instead of cutting it up more (elcos aren’t exactly a heavy vehicle to begin with)
Steve don't let keyboard warriors get to you. You're an extremely talented builder/engineer and do an amazing job and sometimes shit just breaks...especially when you turn that crazy Florida giraffe loose with it. Always appreciate the videos to learn from.
I love how cool Steve is while explaining what happened, with a smile even. I'm a retired heavy equipment mechanic. They tell me I have a good personality and I am good at explaining things ( I wrote a few training manuals at work). Since I am apparently good at this kind of thing, I used to get tagged with all the apprentices. No big deal, love working with the young guys. But I'll tell you, I think I would loose it facing all of the stuff and trolls that Steve goes through. Thanks for doing this Steve. I stopped watching racing years ago, just kind of lost interest. Between a bunch of the RUclipsrs like Steve and Cletus, I am back enjoying it more then ever. Still just amazes me how much power you can get out of an engine. The biggest engine I ever worked on was a Cat C175, we were running 3000 HP out of them. Maybe just a touch more torque then one of Steve's, but all the same ...
yeah i'ts funny to watch when he says NO Its Did not broke because that,those back yard car "mechanic" have no glue sometimes and i'ts shows on their comment..
@@broo_shs some are right though they even predicted Garretts dry start would have melted up a trailing half clam as they too did it on a bbc lump. I mean you can deny that if you want but some people predicted the exact damage so 🤷 you wanna put them in the same box as the creepy emailer guys? Not sure that's wise to blanket insult everyone that had an opinion.
Absolutely love when you answer peoples questions, some really bring a smile to my face and when you explain to them why they are wrong, you have a half smile on your face😅 but you do get some good theories that you go into detail and explain the pro's and cons. I don't think some of these people understand how much testing these racers do and how hard it is on the engines and everything else, especially aborted runs.
In 40yrs i have never seen an motor blow up that bad with such little damage but the intake valve head laying in the chamber took the cake. ! Enjoining your videos...
Ill say I can't build and engine but by watching channels like cleetus has helped me learn alot and I would be willing to try it more now that I would have 3 or 4 years ago
I must be in that 0.1% of viewers then. It’s not Steve’s fault, it’s not Garrett’s fault starting with no oil. Garrett just exceeded the specifications and limits the engine was designed for. Plain and simple.
@Mr Breezy Now imagine being that guy to email a professional builder on how to do his job and tell him on what went wrong lmao. BTW Cleetus really didn't know jack about cars compared to what he knows now. Hw learned through trail and error and from others aswell. I guess what I'm trying to say is I encourage you and others to turn a wrench and give it a go. Especially since there's a gross amount of info available to us right in our own pockets.
Way to keep calm and politely shut down all the trash talkers. Your just as much of a good now as you were when I met you a few times MANY years ago back at Mid Michigan Motorplex up in McBride.. Was so happy to see Cletus running your mad engines now. Keep up the good work Steve!
The emailer guys are creepy I dunno what's going on with them.. however some people were accurate in the predictions of how this engine would look and it was based on Garretts dry starting antics being the culprit. The problem we seem to have now is that if you put down an opinion on this vid then all the cleeter kids come rushing up and talking tripe then making out you are one of the emailer dudes that's getting on Steves wick. I've watched Steve since his earliest vids and I know his pattern, he replies to comments on here right after a vid then moves on. He should just avoid reading the emails altogether but I suppose that's easier said than done when you need to open them to see that it's one of these creepy dudes in the first place. Just keep the chat on here ffs I bet he regrets becoming youtube popular already🤣
Thanks Oh Wise One! I learn something new from every video you put out. I'm curious as to what caused the bent crank, but I have no wild guesses. I'm sure you will let us know in the end. Keep building great engines and making great entertainment.
I floated and broke a valve and bent 3 other inlet valves on my modified motorcycle engine in '81 at 12,500rpm It was not a pretty sight to behold the carnage....... You float valves at high rpm and whack them and it breaks and drops on top of the piston, its serious OUCH. I agree with you Steve, i reckon that was the last revenge of the piston before it came to a halt. Probably had the valve open when the broken rod was whacked by its journal buddy, went up the bore and smacked the open valve..... Racing cars break Racing car engines break Sometimes spectacularly People maybe dont realise just how much 1,000 hp is Most have no idea of how much 2,000 hp is When you get to 3,000 plus hp its a very select few that are in that stage And the funny car/top fuel of 10,000/12,000 hp class- very few understand that sort of brutal, brutal power Wish there was another word for it Those alu rods are huge..... And their motors are rebuilt between every run Not like you guys drag n drive motors of 3,000- 4,500 hp that goes pump gas switch over and sustained lowish rev under high torque conditions (low revs, high gear with trailer load and greater throttle opening) that is twisting a crank heavily to move the vehicle at 70mph uphill for hundreds of miles Then switch over from pump to race gas and do murderous pulls down the strip That is testimony itself to the quality of the engines in those events. Kudos to you engine builders Keep on keeping on Heads up Eyes open No fear
Anyone blaming the engine builder for Mullet destroying rods clearly has no idea what they are talking about. Garrett said it himself that they were leaning on it way too much and the engine was performing outside of its design parameters hence why it finally crapped the bed.
With all that’s going on inside those engines….Shit can and will happen sometimes.
It’s very clear it’s Steve’s fault…. Don’t believe me ask Texas speed you never leave garret and crew alone with lap top Steve knew better rookie mistake
(This is a joke guys calm down)
Running engine with no oil back at the FF didn’t help any.
@@edwardspaccarelli5944 Steve literally JUST said that didn't cause it. Did you watch the video?
@@joe13glover
Just covering for his money man.
Old Crank machinist here...my money is on a tiny flaw (crack) in one of the fillets where it lived for many runs and it finally got to the point where it started flexing due to harmonics and stress. I can't wait for the magnaflux results. :)
So a small crack that got worse due to cyclical loading? Sounds plausible!
Me too, I would like to see the Magnaflux test results please Steve.
If I was a betting man I would put my money on that as well.
Hmm.
Yes definitely Crank
As came back twice.......Perfect build on original Service checks(lifter and fuel rails)
Failure was in Machinist rebuilding @ Bearings stage........🧐🧐Bent is always Bent at BOTH ends (Harmonically speaking)👍👍
oooooooorrrrrrrrr, he's making more power than the engine could handle! Cleetus pushed this motor pasted its breaking point. Did you even watch the sick week videos.
Don't you just love all the keyboard engine builders? Lol.
I applaud you for going thru and explaining all this stuff. You're building high performance engines that are pushed to, and beyond, the limits, so it's just a matter of time before stuff breaks. Learning from that and building with different/better components is how things keep advancing. Looking forward to you sharing more knowledge as time goes on.
Cringe really. Dumb comments don’t need to be addressed. Should be ignored. I just wanna see what is actually wrong with the fkn engine
I agree Sir!!
Steve, thanks for the break down. I think walking through diagnosing failures is great content! Keep these coming!
Simply here to watch the bluntness of Steve, no flirting with feelings, just straight facts. Absolutely love it.
Yep, this. Steve don’t build junk.
Love the bluntness
Snowflakes can't handle "bluntness". I love how SM handles these id**ts!
You'd almost think he's got Dutch ancestors or at least hangs out with some 😂 .. we're blunt as well 😋
Yep same
Steve, I love how you answer questions differently depending on if they’re a logical thought or not. When people don’t use common sense at all, you give them the wise ass remark they deserve. When they bring up a good point, you explain why it’s likely or not. Appreciate the knowledge you’re spreading and the time you take to do it. Amazing stuff.
Ya makes it much more entertaining
common sense is no longer common
@@Vteccer666 It never was.
He'd covering for Garrett here because this is stick on Dry Start damage its the same as oil pump failure damage, I even said on both this channel and on Garretts channel that this would be the exact damage have a look in my history on both channels. I accurately described what the damage was and I'm now worried Steve might not be as genuine as made out as on the 4 instances I've dealt with dry engines its been this exact damage even on the last one which was a Yamah R1 engine that had been started and ran by accident by a dealership mid oil change. The back half clams dry up and spin the front ones where oil residue is still being pulled from the oil passages survive. Same with failed oil pump damage.
BTW this channel is now getting called Snowflakey due to all the "who said what to who" crap and Steve wants to Address that. If you put a vid on youtube and leave the comment section open then you can expect opinions as a byproduct. Crying about opinions is the 101 of being a Snowflake it really is.
He leaned on it to hard, the crank bent, the rods left the chat. Build it, run it, break it, repeat. Same thing we all do. If you want it to live forever without having to rebuild it, leave it stock and enjoy the warranty. Pay no attention to the internet, people suck. I came here from Cleetus channel and I'm sure a bunch more did too. That has to help you when we view your videos and comment. I'm proud to see the partnership and can't wait to see what's next. I enjoy the after action reviews the most!
I did watch the build of the mullet engine. You are great at paying attention to the little details. You share much more than Most builders would ever do and I appreciate that. Dead on calling out the so called experts from their couch.
Fr I love these videos. I love when he calls out the couch morons.
Also love the details he shares.
I wish more people would be like Steve and explain how and why he does things the way he does. I’m learning more from watching him tearing down and building these engines than reading about it. I can see his frustration but Steve has a lot of patience for dealing with stupid. Thank you Steve Morris you’re an inspiration for a lot of us.
Keyboard engine builders! Steve sets it straight low key calling them out. Simple, mullet was a killer build for a job and that job got exceeded and finally checked out. Killer videos with tons of info.
"In this episode, you'll see Professor Steve schooling a bunch of bench racers that think they can solve the problem because they had a 3/4 race cam in their 77 Camaro back in the 90's"
Gotta love those 3/4 race cams. Where's the other 1/4?
@@ktmadventures3040 cherry bombs 😂😭
Don't forget the double hump heads
Nope, full race cam, that says " not for street use "
😂😂
Love the level of detail you go into. Garrett did get back on the gas for not a small amount of time after the rods let go, so the theory about the crankshaft getting burned after the rods failed may have some merit. His datalog showed how long he got back in it. Not sure, may not have been long enough to spin the bearing but he definitely got it back on boost after the rod failure.
You KNOW someone was going to try to use that driveshaft
Absolutely. Some idiot would put it in a car and then blame Steve when shit happens. Cut it in half so two lucky people get some cool wall art.
I would have. For a floor lamp
Yup 😂🤣🤣🤣
Jb weld that bad boy lol.. someone definitely is going to try
I would use the tube for a bad ass rocket.
It's so funny to me how Steve is low key making sure the dumb people who talk smack get put in their place
As he should! One of the best engine builders in the country, who even put together the Devel 16 engine(this is how highly Steve is looked at in the motorsports scene), does not need advice from youtube comments, or comments telling him about his job! Steve is a professional. If he needed lecturing from YT comments, he wouldnt be where he is at now!
I hope he can maintain it. We are so freeking lucky to have someone at his level share the amount of things he does. I hope these morons don't cause him to stop.
I admire his patience and willingness to correct people.
Clearly Steve has no idea what he’s doing… coming from a weekend backyard engine builder
And no matter how stupid their comment is, he still takes the time to explain to them why they are wrong. Top class
It's amazing some of the comments directed towards the engine build. If anyone watches Cleetus they KNOW that Steve has stated, ON CAMERA, to Garrett that the engine combo is good for 35 lbs. of boost, max. They were running 45-50 lbs. of boost, and Cleetus owned it 100% when it blew. He had horseshoes last year. SMX time.
That’s probably the cause actually. He wanted to go faster so he reduced the weight by removing the horseshoes. Lol!
Hope so. Those SMXs look BADASS
Yep, if anything Mullet's engine is an example of just how good Steve's engines really are! The amount of abuse it withstood is impressive to say the least!
I can’t remember 100% but I think with those big turbos on mullet now, Steve only said 25psi.
Still be 3000hp but they were already running 30-35psi to go 6.5’s and then Garrett wanted more boost up around the 45+psi lol.
And people still trying to have a go at steve….
@@bmorg7244 Precisely
Keep up the good work bud, Most of these computer chair engine builders would struggle to rebuild a Briggs and Stratton.. let alone a 2000+HP big block..
I laughed multiple times at your snarky responses Steve... One thing I remind myself of on a daily basis is that you CAN'T FIX STUPID! love the videos brother!
One thing I like about your channel is the openness and honesty plus your knowledge
Keep up the good work mate cheers from down under
As a gear head we do appreciate your time and knowledge. I really enjoyed all the Steve tech videos. Stay safe and keep making these videos for the true fans and racers
I love how Steve's face doesn't use it's inside voice lmao. You know exactly what he's thinking when he reads those questions
It's just as obvious when Cleeter is telling him what happened. lol That sideways squinty-eye look.
The savagery in the answers will butthurt some armchair mechanics for sure 😂😂
"Steve's face doesn't use its inside voice." 😆 😂 🤣 I found that hilarious because my wife has the same problem when dealing with certain people. Great comment, man.
Hes damage controlling for Garretts oil free startup on this one. That's blatantly dry running damage it was even predicted the exact part that would go first with people familiar with the oil delivery passages on this bbc engine. Steve can point at whatever he likes but this is oil starvation damage that half clam roasted up because it was starved of pressure driven oil. End of.
@@bigduphusaj162 Perfect username. You know less than any person I have ever met.
I go back to what you said during the tear down. Cleetus was leaning way harder on Mullet’s engine than what you felt was a safe zone for it to run. But, you have to be proud of what Cleetus put it through last year and took a lot of wins home.
Steve morris you are a bloody legend for taking the time to show us all this stuff and educate us all, i love your attitude to the questionable comments. This video and all of your others just show what sort of character you are, very open minded, but straight to the point no bullshit answers. Keep it up!!!! You da man!
I’m from the diesel world (so higher cylinder pressures) but we found out even high quality cranks will flex, like a lot. In a Cummins (in-line 6) there maybe as much as 3-5 degrees of flex from cylinder 1 to 6. Firepunk has an awesome video on it. I never thought a crank would flex like that and not break. Amazing the stuff holds together at all
Link please , didn't see it.
New subscriber here (yes, because Cleetus) this might be my new favorite channel. You're a mad genius Mr Morris!
- respect.
Steve I learned a valuable lesson from one Samuel Clements ie Mark Twain. He said “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Thanks for all of this amazing information your share with us. And PS is there an SMX headed Garrett’s way or is he on a waiting list?
Steve is more upfront than anyone I’ve seen. If I had the money he would be on my shortlist for builders. It’s amazing that the muppets online alway seem to know better than actual experts.
Mullet was simply too bloody awesome and he demanded a SMX so he can warp space itself lol
Instead of moving the car across earth's surface it will rotate the earth under the tires.
Time for bed kids
@@Im_Old_Gregg Like Chuck Norris?
I have rebuilt a bunch of race engines over the years and some just lock up as soon as you start them, some run for thousands of miles trouble free before destroying themselves and everything in between. The trick is learning from every broken engine and applying that lesson to the next build. 😎 loving the response from Steve answering the keyboard builder questions with low key shade 😂
If you rebuild an engine and it locks up on the first start up YOU did something wrong... LoL
@@tylermallory2504 yep 😂 won't make that mistake again. 🤦🏼♂️
@@tylermallory2504 If any tradesman tells you he's never screwed up a job, he's lying through his teeth. Everyone makes mistakes, but you can tell a lot about a man by how he responds to messing up.
I know your pain steve. As a cnc machinist when there's a problem with some part or program and everyone turns into a programmer and/or a machinist and starts "suggesting what's wrong or how to fix it, I have to bite my tongue and try my hardest to not tell them to stfu.
I spent most of my career building custom machines for factories, after 25 years doing it I'm still amazed how many supervisors and managers instantly become experts on machining or electrical or automation and magically know more than me the guy who built these one of a kind machines lol
@@Greg1096 you know what they say, “Those who can’t manage those who can”.
After 40yrs of being a bodyman and everyone thinking they could do it because they pop riveted a piece of sheet metal on a rust hole and painted it with a spray can, my tongue has calluses because of biting it so much.
Yep. I used to own a dyno tuning company and it was always the Tuners fault. Ignorance runs rampant. People never want to be responsible for their actions, it is always "someone else's fault".
I'll be honest the cnc guys I know are pretty much a human monkey just typing and likely and cause more dramas than a batman villain. Communication is not you guys strong point infact the best line I heard as an excuse for a £55grand mess up was a CNC guy and the excuse was "I'm not paid to think" 🤣
Edit: not you mate I don't know you hahaha just the CNC guys I do know must be the ones that done the home college method to meet the grades. Thats a thing here in the UK they employ these open college guys like they are the real deal.
I love that you can see the frustration on your face from repetitive "dumb" questions LoL
Also super smart move chopping the driveshaft to keep a meatball from trying to use it!
Awesome video as always! Happy to see your getting more and more into the RUclips world!
I just wanna say. As someone in the military. Your no bullshit sarcasm is just so enjoyable to watch. I love it. Keep on keep'n on.
I love how he low key tells people to F off.
Lol I'm sure Steve said 35psi max please. Cleet turn it up to 50psi.
Honestly love the work you great guys do. You’ve done this for years and I wouldn’t feel you need to explain what you found and how you’ve rebuilt an engine just for people to blame a build. Love the channel! 🤝🏼
“It makes 3000 hp and it shouldn’t” 😂. Steve, you are the man. Keep up the good work.
Im glad you finally mentioned the no oil thing. I started to feel like you were really tapping around that subject but good to know it wasnt a factor.
I've been around engine builders my whole life and it's amazing the knowledge you have and how you explain things. Not saying others aren't knowledgeable but most don't explain stuff like you do. I've worked at a racing engine machine shop and love to watch your videos to listen to all your years of knowledge.
Love the sincere, brutal, honesty on how things work!
I know EXACTLY what happened to this engine. Mullet got very excited with himself when the engine got pulled to recondition it. He had ALL that time to sit quietly and dream about getting a engine put back in him so he could haul it down the track running all the boost he wanted. When he got his engine put back in, it took him about 400 miles and a few runs to say WAIT A DAMN MINUTE, this all seems awful familiar. It was during the last run that he got the ah haaaaa moment and realized, Cleetus and Steve had pulled a fast one on him basically giving him back his old engine and he felt like he got shafted with a refurbished job here. SO what does Mullet do? He said F this I will show ya'll and BOOM.. down she goes. He said now, THAT aughta do it.. Give me a SMX or I will drop it worse next time. AND THAT folks is how Mullet took care of the issue and cost his dad a shit ton of money while getting his way in the end :)
I Love Steve’s relaxed attitude, especially when he says to look at the videos first before commenting😂
Thank you for having the patience to answer even the silly questions... I learn so much watching your videos ..
Anyone that closely watches your content knew this was a possibility and not a reflection on builder 🤦 Keep up the great work S.M. Crew 🇺🇲💪
Steve your patience is nothing short of amazing . The Cleetus crew is a passionate bunch and you handled this perfectly !!!
As a fan of Steves he's sounding like a Snowflake now. He wants to just bin they emails and not care. I'm not interested in prickly vids I want tech talk and if Steves getting prickly over comments then he should stop reading them altogether. This comment section is turning into a prickly mess full of snowflakes and nut bag swingers.
Yeah rite he seems like he’s mad about something lol little cry baby
Boost will eventually find a weak link if there is one. You never know that link until it shows it's scattered parts.
You build amazing motors and when I win the lottery I'll have one. Thanks for all you do.
I love how cleetus started just throwing junk in random orders to do his spring cleaning, and everyone else started it too. Great way to clean up your shop and sell extra merch. Two birds, one stone
As a retired mailman, thank you to all the RUclipsrs that do this. Gotta keep those retirement checks coming.
It's a genius way to throw garbage away yet keep it out of the landfill and give customers memorabilia
You think cleetus started this? 😄
i mean a piston or a rod etc yeah, a driveshaft? lol
I remember being able to buy broken parts at NHRA winter nationals in Pomona when I was a kid. Still have a Doug Herbert piston.
The tear down was an excellent video. I learnt a ton out of it.
Keep up the Most Excellent Work
The engine was built for a certain amount of boost it was pushed way over that limit
And it did exactly what any other engine would do if you exceeded its limits 😉 👌
Another engine sent to boost heaven
Keep up the amazing work Steve
One of the hardest things i have learned is there are times you will not find a reason for failures!!! Move on and thanks for your time Steve
This just goes to show how most people are always so eager to point fingers. Most people don't see or appreciate the fact that it brought a 3500 lb car into the 6's or how it won 3 big events and drove 3k miles without any major issues. Keep up the good work Steve, really enjoy all the videos.
I would never attempt to give you advice on anything to do with an engine! The fact that you make all this simple is the definition of a true expert! Please keep doing what your doing! Finger warriors be damned!
People on the internet are always trying to tell eskimos how to build igloos. It's insane. Don't let 'em get to you Steve!
You lot are the definition of snowflakes. People can say what they like, get over it
@@bigduphusaj162 I don't think you know what a "snowflake" is, but I'm glad you found a fun keyword. Anyways, you are correct that people can say what they like, which is what we have done. What if you took your own advice and YOU got over it?
@@kevinb873 snowflake is someone who gets butt hurt over even peoples opinions. Infact the No1 criteria for being a Snowflake is being annoyed by opinions. Furthermore when people are on the defensive and claiming they are "educating" people are often doing it because they are hiding something. On this case Steve is hiding the tech book knowledge on oil starvation since the Steam ages. Massive amounts of people predicted this exact damage after witnessing Garretts dry start vid and since crystal balls don't exist and fluke only happens the odd time then we must assume they were 100% correct. You gunna cry about the maths and science behind it now pal and commit Snowflake sin No2?
@@bigduphusaj162 Not a chance I'm reading all that pal. Thanks for stopping by though.
I really appreciate you breaking this down for us, going through the questions and giving us different scenarios to try and comprehend, I don't think there is anywhere you can go to get this type of education
gotta love the armchair builders, Cletus clearly stated he was pushing the engine well past what it was designed to do. love your work Steve keep it coming!
Can’t wait for the FUN SPIRTED, LESSON TEACHING STEVE !! To come back, almost seemed like someone pushed his buttons before the video, I’ll put that aside and come back to watch more !!!! Love the time and effort you put into your channel for us !!! God bless
Champion. You’re a master craftsman and people need to respect your technical abilities. Also all these people must have missed you telling Cleeter he’s pushing way past the abilities of the engine you built for him and it’s only a matter of time.
Love the LOGICAL explanations with demonstration of your explanations!
This BLOKE is a legend and well known around the world. Im in Australia and love watching this guys clips.
People are hilarious if they are telling YOU how to build an engine LMFAO
Keep up the great work buddy, and these info uploads, love learning from 1 of the best in the WORLD !
Big fan from New Zealand here. I feel like half the people commenting came straight from Cleetus' channel to blame Steve without watching his build vid. I love how cause it broke it must be Steve's fault! Push the limits and you start to break stuff. I never heard people say Steve built his engine wrong when it decided it didn't want any pistons and rods.
@@BrickNewton Imagine telling any other engine builder in the world about your NO OIL starts lmao
Wish Cleetus came over with the Street Outlaws =)
Oh and over here we are so JELLY of your rotang builders, This country builds over priced ticking time bombs !
As a small biz owner I appreciate the time you take to make the videos as well as running a successful biz. Learn stuff every time.
I'm a Country Guy and as kids we were always told" listen more, talk less so " that's why I love listening/ watching you break down these motors . it's awesome and we appreciate it !
Just dropping in to congratulate the hundreds/thousands of successful engine developers and builders down here. Keep it up guys you're doing great
I had no idea that we had so many armchair machinist in the world!! Sorry to hear so many people that should listen instead of speaking are writing in . You have more experience as an engine designer and builder than most people have seen or heard of. Props to you for keeping your cool when discussing and teaching the public about your trade and passion!
Exactly.
Excellent commentary on the crank bore alignment, Steve. Thanks.
Always enjoy when you walk us thru breaks like that Steve
There's no reason to question what you're saying and doing
Makes it Easy👍
I thoroughly enjoy the teardown videos and the trying to figure out what went south. I've grenaded a few over the years myself and it's always interesting to try and figure out at what point the pin was pulled.
I was amazed when you lifted the head and that valve was just laying on top of the piston. Never seen that before lol. I fully expected to see a vacant hole and a destroyed head.
The first engine I rebuilt seized up on the freeway in the rain. That was fun. I truly was surprised to see piston material on the TOP side of the carb butterfly. Huh, look at that. Didn't know that was possible. lol
@@ronjones-6977 🤣 yeah some of the stuff that happens when they let go is pretty amazing.
Garretts dry start has dried the back trailing clam furthest from the oil passage based on crank rotation. Its then grabbed and spun on subsequent heat cycles and caused the damage. The out of roundness was the kickback from when it went kaput and is common to get that in any instance when a rod has failed and the remaining portion of the rod is able to connect with the block. There are numerous reasons for the out of roundness, the actual event of destruction started when that clam had been roasted due to lack of oil then its grabbed an spun. Textbook oil starvation chain of events. Steve can claim otherwise but that engine failed because Garrett ran it with no oil it's blatant short term oil starvation, long term you see other clams doing the same and the valavetrain gets it too.
Really enjoy the videos Steve, I learn a lot every time I tune in. A friend had his SBC he dragged raced taken apart to freshen it up in the off season. He took the crankshaft to have it polished at his trusted machine shop. This was a real race piece, lighted, knifed edge counters, best you could get for the day. It was there for about 6 weeks after it was ready because he just got busy with other thing in his shop. So the machine shop called to remind him so he ask his brother-in-law to pick it up for him. When he put crank back in the block he plastic gauged the mains and the #4 main was tight. Thought the barring must be mislabeled so he swapped it with another and it was still off but not as much. Took it back to the machine and they put it on the crank grinder and sure enough it was bent. As best he could tell at some time it had been dropped. When he had brought it in the first time to the machine shop it a wooden shipping box. The machine shop says they raped it in plastic and put it back in the same box after it was done being polished. But it was wrapped in plastic but no box when his brother-in-law brought it in to his shop. So he came to the conclusion that it was probably dropped off the loading dock at the machine shop by the brother-in-law and he through the broken wooden box away. The brother-in-law still will not admit it even after my friend passed a way. Not saying that happened with Mullets, but stranger thing do happen...
You have way more patience than I would have had Steve. Thanks for letting us "in" to these engines. It is very interesting and educational.
Hes covering for Garretts dry start. This is 100% dry engine or oil pump failure damage, the clam furthest from the passage going off crank rotation always gets it first then it spins. This is the stick on damage you get from no oil and I really don't care if Steve is claiming otherwise. This is even the same resultant damage as there was in engines folk ran on milk and other silly attempts at lubrication as a test for a youtube vid. The last one I personally seen this on was a dry started R1 engine and it was the identical damage bar obviously being a multivalve engine.
Incredible content, thank you Steve! Just to think that an SMX block can drive cross country while making 4500 HP is absolutely mind blowing, absolute car guy dream goals to own one of these one day.
You would probably put it on street mode, on pump gas, and with less power. That thing would be sick to just drive around not even race it lol.
I respect Steve so much for making this video. The guy has a very tough job and when this stuff happens I'm sure he gets drug through the dirt. Steve possibly has the toughest youtube channel ever. He has to be perfect all the time on his engines and defend himself to the pro engine builders in the comments. Sure he doesn't have to do that but the fact he's even acknowledging them is awesome.
love how you demonstrate your explanations of what causes what. natural teacher!
Great video , really cool that you take the time to answer the questions , even if it is a shame that some people feel the need to ask/state them to you. Not everyone has a mechanical background so it is great when you dismiss the B/S. When will the shop be installing a magical crystal ball that allows you to see into the future so it doesnt happen again?
hi Steve i love how you take the time to answer dumb questions . not many would be so honest about there engine problems .well done love you work.
Steve you’re a legend, and so are you’re engines. I honestly take my hat off to you being able to be professional and somewhat respectful when answering questions.I build my own engines for my car, and I hear these same things come from people at my work (work in retail) people just don’t understand anything can just go wrong when making mass amounts of horse power. Things just break. P.s answer from a Metallurgist (in a nut shell) if a steel rod was to be made to replace a billet rod, besides the forging process and mix being much much harder to perfect, it would have to be at a minimum 4.8 times the size/ thickness just to withstand the same force. But then also limiting rpm due to the additional weight. Sure like for like size could probably be made but the cost time research isn’t worth the thought
It will always be wild to me that you drop so much information and explain everything and people still try to be armchair mechanics. Although seeing your response to their comments is top tier and I’m here for it
Some of us have opened thousands of engines and some of us own engine repair shops. Who are you again?
@@bigduphusaj162 LOL!!! You're username is so fitting! Plus - "This channel has no videos" so... On here, unless you post evidence on your channel you are a 14 year old kid in your parents basement. Prove you aren't. It would be REALLY hard. Upload a video on this platform. It will take you seconds. Oh, you won't? Ok. Hi 14 year old kid.
Steve might know a little more
@@bigduphusaj162 the simple truth is no matter your qualifications, you do not have a reputation here. So no one cares.
@@manfrommaine1194 yeah about the engines he deals with hes clearly clued right up i watch him because of it. He doesn't know more about say Napier Deltic than me or any marine engine or any mass produced German car engine or motorbike engine. I own the engine shop here in the UK and personally deal in marine now but spent 3 decade on car and motorbike engines.
Great video, Steve. I've been working on almost everything with an engine since I was a kid, and I still learn something every time I watch any of your videos. Keep up the great work, brother.
You have great patience for someone with so much knowledge and experience. Kudos. Fascinating to watch.
LOVE IT!! Ignore the trolls! You and Cleetus teaming up is amazing. With your help he has gone so far. You and him being teamed up is amazing for both of you in my opinion. Nobody can find the limits in a controlled chaos kind of way better then Cleetus. And without you I doubt he would be at the level he now is. Can't wait to see what the two of you have in store!
It is this type of video that makes this channel so watchable. Many have questions when this level of damage occurs, so who better to answer them than the guy who built the engine. Brilliant stuff again Steve.
It is a shame Steve has to make these videos thought it was clear in the I am sending you off to war and the pull apart videos of the engine... Anyone with any knowledge of the giraffes foot knows it is not going to have a happy time
Appreciate how in-depth how you explain how these high performance engines are built, work, and the troubleshooting processes.
All I know is that part of racing is things break because you’re pushing for top performance. These things happen. Higher the pressures, something will eventually fail. What I’m impressed with is how the block contained the damage to just those two cylinders and kept the damage to a minimum.
I’ve been watching from the beginning, I have no idea what Im Doing but you do, Idk how you can give comments some much time and energy, you are an engineer a master engine builder. Thank you for taking the time to explain things to people who have no idea what they are talking about. Keep up the amazing content ❤
Some of us have opened 1000s of engines pal and we know short term oil starvation when we see it. You speak for yourself as clueless not for me or the other engine builders I know on this channel
@@bigduphusaj162 no one said big duphus AJ😂😂🤷
@@bigduphusaj162 did you watch the ending?
@@bigduphusaj162 that’s awesome congrats! What are the names of the motors you make? And what time do they have in the 1/4 mile?
Steve you know we know more about this stuff then you do that’s why we have all this free time to watch your videos and comment while your still in shop working.. it’s not that we can’t be awesome successful engine builders it’s cause we to busy trying to teach you how to.. get it together man and listen to us
That's some funny stuff 🤣
😜 exactly !
🤣🤣🤣
It's than, NOT then.
It's not that difficult.
The word "then" means "at that time" and is used to talk about when things will happen. The word "than" is used to compare things.
@@mrbmp09 I’m sending you a virtual hug buddy hope you get to feeling better soon and decide to laugh
Steve, we used to keep a glass cabinet called the "hall of shame". We used it to display different components that were broken in various ways as a "show and tell" to customers (this was industrial equipment and not automotive but the principle applies) as explanations and cautionary tales. You might want to stick a bin in the corner with damage from bent crankshafts, backfires, lean conditions, no oil, dropped valve, etc.) Just a suggestion since you seem to enjoy teaching with visual aids. (this was industrial equipment and not automotive but the principle applies) (this was industrial equipment and not automotive but the principle applies)
Great videos Steve, the knowledge and somewhat some of your secrets of your career in engine building that you’ve learned and adapted and engineered out to the public speaks volumes.
To my knowledge you are the only one to produce a water jacketed promod engine to run on the road after drag racing is quite impressive.
Thank you for you starting this channel.
2👍's up Steve Morris thank you for sharing
Also like Cleetus said in his own video he was pushing this engine setup beyond what you told him too from the start this year. Max Boost 35psi and he was running 45+ Sooner than later something is gonna give at those power levels. Last year he stayed at 35psi until the very end.
That half clam rapid heated and spun due to the dry start Garrett done. This exact damage was predicted by myself and others on both this channel and Garretts channel last week. There was loads of people accurately predicted this damage before now and I've no idea why Steve isn't fully calling it out as it's the same damage as when an oil pump fails. No iffs or buts this is lack of oil damage 100%
@@bigduphusaj162 LOL!!! You're username is so fitting! Plus - "This channel has no videos" so... On here, unless you post evidence on your channel you are a 14 year old kid in your parents basement. Prove you aren't. It would be REALLY hard. Upload a video on this platform. It will take you seconds. Oh, you won't? Ok. Hi 14 year old kid.
@@bigduphusaj162 in my experience that’s not consistent at all with the damage . Why would a couple of seconds idling without oil pick on ONLY one main and coincidentally the pair of rods downstream in the oiling system from that main? Why would it run, drive, and make several passes and then fail? Damage from lack of oil a) would show on all bearings, and b) would show all the way AROUND the bearings. The scoring on only one side of the crank journal is THE clue. Nothing does that but a physically bent crank. I will be interested to see what the analysis of the crank shows. It could just have deflected from the boost levels and the fact that both the crank and block were pushed beyond their limits. But my hunch is that the cumulative abuse finally triggered a small fatigue crack that allowed it to deflect under load, and then the failure proceeded quickly.
@@stevelacker358 nobody cares about your experience pal least of all me. The tech books dictate that if oil starvation is suspected the first protocol is to inspect the clams for heat damage specifically the trailing clams aka the clams that the oil gets smeared round to not the leading one. This has been well documented since the steam age (you forgot to grease that big bearing set that are directly taking the control arms/rails force in a Steam engine then you get put in hospital with shrapnel) The very first bit of damage you get on a pump failure or dry start on 90% of engines is the trailing clams and that's THE STANDARD chain of events. You or me or Steves opinion matters not one jot when this is the EXPECTED chain of events from a dry Start. End of discussion mate it really is and furthermore the second you dry start any engine the resultant premature mechanical failure of that engine is likely associated with the dry run. The fluke capabilities of any engine depends on how much oil is still stored in it residually and how long it's been ran for once the residual oil has been displaced. Residual oil too you need to remember how gravity works is why its able to do act as a feed and still able to oil a part enough to keep it cool with no pressure whatsoever. The idiocy in expecting every part to be worn at the same rate with a short dry start is beyond the pale. Thats like saying everything should melt instantly at the same rate if the the coolant pump stops working. The people arguing on here against the morons spamming Steves email I'm with them 100% they are wrong in the head the mans got bigger fish to fry.. I'm not one of them this is an open discussion on what happened to this engine on youtube so please don't just argue with my facts about the tech book protocols just coz you mistook me for an email muppit. Cheers
@@stevelacker358 ohh and the "downstream rods" damage was because the crank would have whipped like an absolute nutter as soon as it picked that bearing up. Remember that is the same damage you get if you repeatedly try to start a hot seized engine it will throw rods all over the place and only one set of half clams are damaged. You can see LS Georges mishaps with the junker engine detonation as proof of that mate plus I think you already know that's the case but you'd rather argue and type it out in a way it seems odd, when it's not, it's the norm. If you want to tell a bare faced lie and claim that all half clams need to be damaged for rods to have given up the ghost then go ahead.. but expect to be laughed at from anyone that's opened an engine they sent more than one rod on a holiday. You all need to remember that cranks do huge amounts of damage to the entire block and bottom end from being grabbed or slowed down rapidly due to bearing failure or spun bearings. Steve even talked in a tech vid about cranks causing damage due to bending/whipping etc and that's just from engines that were put in a 4x4 drive train when originally designed as a conventional 2wd package. The 4wd added extra forces to the thruster and the middle journals as the crank would bend like a bow.
Love the explanation. Your expertise is astounding.
His shop is outstandingly clean and organized, kudos to you Steve.
I wish I had Steve as a dad…we need more people like you never stop being you I appreciate the info you give in your videos
Steve Morris owes no explanation to these RUclips mechanics. Hes been doing this for years. Ive seen hundreds of his engines put through the ringer with no issues. Everything built by him is absolutely spot on. Any failure that happens is driver error, poor maintenance or simply a part failure. Good job steve!
Emails on what went wrong? Seriously? To a shop that literally does this day in and day out for many many years and many more to come hopefully. God I pity there doctors they may have to go see lol. Keep the videos rockin Steve. (Everyone's a snake expert until it's time to pick up said non venomous snake)
People have to remember: Mullet is a heavy girl.....
Yeah I had a girl like that once she wasn’t fat she was just big boned
Heavy is a understatement for that thing I have no clue what was going through his head when they built it that he left it that heavy instead of cutting it up more (elcos aren’t exactly a heavy vehicle to begin with)
Lighter than the wagon though
Steve don't let keyboard warriors get to you. You're an extremely talented builder/engineer and do an amazing job and sometimes shit just breaks...especially when you turn that crazy Florida giraffe loose with it. Always appreciate the videos to learn from.
I love how cool Steve is while explaining what happened, with a smile even.
I'm a retired heavy equipment mechanic. They tell me I have a good personality and I am good at explaining things ( I wrote a few training manuals at work). Since I am apparently good at this kind of thing, I used to get tagged with all the apprentices. No big deal, love working with the young guys.
But I'll tell you, I think I would loose it facing all of the stuff and trolls that Steve goes through.
Thanks for doing this Steve.
I stopped watching racing years ago, just kind of lost interest. Between a bunch of the RUclipsrs like Steve and Cletus, I am back enjoying it more then ever.
Still just amazes me how much power you can get out of an engine.
The biggest engine I ever worked on was a Cat C175, we were running 3000 HP out of them. Maybe just a touch more torque then one of Steve's, but all the same ...
yeah i'ts funny to watch when he says NO Its Did not broke because that,those back yard car "mechanic" have no glue sometimes and i'ts shows on their comment..
@@broo_shs some are right though they even predicted Garretts dry start would have melted up a trailing half clam as they too did it on a bbc lump. I mean you can deny that if you want but some people predicted the exact damage so 🤷 you wanna put them in the same box as the creepy emailer guys? Not sure that's wise to blanket insult everyone that had an opinion.
Absolutely love when you answer peoples questions, some really bring a smile to my face and when you explain to them why they are wrong, you have a half smile on your face😅 but you do get some good theories that you go into detail and explain the pro's and cons. I don't think some of these people understand how much testing these racers do and how hard it is on the engines and everything else, especially aborted runs.
In 40yrs i have never seen an motor blow up that bad with such little damage but the intake valve head laying in the chamber took the cake. ! Enjoining your videos...
WOW ! Another oil pan failure. Got to build a better stronger oil pan to hold the rods in.
Remember 99.9% of Garrett's viewers don't know *hit about how engines actually opperate!
Say it louder for the listening impaired know it alls lol.
Ill say I can't build and engine but by watching channels like cleetus has helped me learn alot and I would be willing to try it more now that I would have 3 or 4 years ago
I must be in that 0.1% of viewers then. It’s not Steve’s fault, it’s not Garrett’s fault starting with no oil.
Garrett just exceeded the specifications and limits the engine was designed for. Plain and simple.
@Mr Breezy Now imagine being that guy to email a professional builder on how to do his job and tell him on what went wrong lmao. BTW Cleetus really didn't know jack about cars compared to what he knows now. Hw learned through trail and error and from others aswell. I guess what I'm trying to say is I encourage you and others to turn a wrench and give it a go. Especially since there's a gross amount of info available to us right in our own pockets.
What makes you think that?
Way to keep calm and politely shut down all the trash talkers. Your just as much of a good now as you were when I met you a few times MANY years ago back at Mid Michigan Motorplex up in McBride.. Was so happy to see Cletus running your mad engines now. Keep up the good work Steve!
The emailer guys are creepy I dunno what's going on with them.. however some people were accurate in the predictions of how this engine would look and it was based on Garretts dry starting antics being the culprit. The problem we seem to have now is that if you put down an opinion on this vid then all the cleeter kids come rushing up and talking tripe then making out you are one of the emailer dudes that's getting on Steves wick. I've watched Steve since his earliest vids and I know his pattern, he replies to comments on here right after a vid then moves on. He should just avoid reading the emails altogether but I suppose that's easier said than done when you need to open them to see that it's one of these creepy dudes in the first place. Just keep the chat on here ffs I bet he regrets becoming youtube popular already🤣
Good RUclips channel
Telling Steve what’s wrong with his motor is like telling Smokey how to put out a forest fire.
Thanks Oh Wise One! I learn something new from every video you put out. I'm curious as to what caused the bent crank, but I have no wild guesses. I'm sure you will let us know in the end. Keep building great engines and making great entertainment.
Half these questions could be answered by just watching Steve’s videos.
Exactly! People are still asking if it was a problem when Cleetus ran it without oil 😆
Know it all's don't listen because they can't shut up long enough to hear.
LOL steve gonna have to make a new email to get these goofball youtube experts to not tell you how to build your own motors
Motors are electric
@@Michael666CA Wrong all engines are motors, but not all motors are engines
@@Michael666CA you were on that email list i can smell it
I floated and broke a valve and bent 3 other inlet valves on my modified motorcycle engine in '81 at 12,500rpm
It was not a pretty sight to behold the carnage.......
You float valves at high rpm and whack them and it breaks and drops on top of the piston, its serious OUCH.
I agree with you Steve, i reckon that was the last revenge of the piston before it came to a halt. Probably had the valve open when the broken rod was whacked by its journal buddy, went up the bore and smacked the open valve.....
Racing cars break
Racing car engines break
Sometimes spectacularly
People maybe dont realise just how much 1,000 hp is
Most have no idea of how much 2,000 hp is
When you get to 3,000 plus hp its a very select few that are in that stage
And the funny car/top fuel of 10,000/12,000 hp class- very few understand that sort of brutal, brutal power
Wish there was another word for it
Those alu rods are huge.....
And their motors are rebuilt between every run
Not like you guys drag n drive motors of 3,000- 4,500 hp that goes pump gas switch over and sustained lowish rev under high torque conditions (low revs, high gear with trailer load and greater throttle opening) that is twisting a crank heavily to move the vehicle at 70mph uphill for hundreds of miles
Then switch over from pump to race gas and do murderous pulls down the strip
That is testimony itself to the quality of the engines in those events.
Kudos to you engine builders
Keep on keeping on
Heads up
Eyes open
No fear