Tesla FSD 12.4.1 - Lets Try This Again...
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- We give Tesla's FSD 12.4.1 another shot to make up for its regressions in our first drive. Will it do the same things or will it introduce some new issues?
// CAR CONFIG //
Car: Model S
Trim: Plaid
Hardware: 3.0
MCU: 3.0
Full Self-Driving: Enabled
FSD: 12.4.1
FSD Profile: Average
Auto-Offset: On
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There is a way to check for alternate routes without ending the current navigation. You can tap the top of the nav route and it should present alternate routes on the map if there are any available.
I didn't know this. Thank you.
I love that you show what is REALLY going on. So many of these creators are showing these flawless drives. My experience with my M3LR in Dallas is very much like yours and usually is with all releases.
Some drives ARE flawless. Depending on area, it will drive significantly differently. That’s the issue. Tesla is out of inference capacity and they keep distilling (shrinking) models to get them to fit so other outputs run like crap. They are facing a massive lawsuit if they don’t fix this
@@rickkay9548 Yeah in another comment I mentioned it may be due to location and looks like you confirmed it.
exactly !! don't pull any punches
MY commute isn't far from yours and it's generally flawless 95% of the time to work and on the way home there is always one issue from the mapping but that is usually the only problem. It takes me all over the area and its pretty great. It's not perfect though. But I use it almost all the time.
@@aguyfromnothere I’m jealous. Lol hopefully soon it’ll get better but I’ve been using it since 2021 and it has a long way to go.
BEST Tesla autopilot tester on RUclips hands down. You just tell it like it is, so excellent
man, you're one serious dude
I appreciate your review of this. I've got a '23 MXLR. During the 30 day trial, i took it through a busy neighborhood roundabout, just after school let out. I was worried it would have issues, but it worked out with no issues.
By far the best tester. Very honest, and feels like he gives the best representation of how FSD really is.
Really good evaluation video as usual. I have a 2023 Model S w/hardware 4; and am still using 12.3.6. We have started seeing phantom stops and slowdowns in locations and conditions where it didn’t happen before. I have also started seeing slowdowns in reactions to “emergency lights” where there are none. It’s interesting that you’re seeing those phantom stops in 12.4.
What’s interesting from an engineering perspective are the regressions that are occurring in the same build and also regressions between versions. I love the overall increase in capability. But something is hampering consistent execution.
Love your commentary, analysis, and honesty! I’ve been using FSD (v12.3.6) since I bought my Model 3 a month ago. Even though I must often intervene, and sometimes disengage, I do love FSD. It’s amazing, but certainly not ready-for-primetime. As has been promised, I am hoping to see dramatic improvements in these upcoming releases. Without that level of improvement , the cyber cab is a pipe dream, and that would be quite disappointing to me.
Earned my subscription for your honesty and commentary thank you
👍🏾
Just got the v12 software on our 2018 M3. Hoping they hold off on pushing 12.4.1 to our car until they put some polish on this release. 12.3.6 with the new software is all I need for now seeing your last 2 videos. Thanks again!
Remember, that the last number is the level of polish. Of course a .6 is more polished than a .1 release. Compare to 12.3.1.
Great stuff. Thank you for your honesty and objectivity
People are annoying, making you explain everything you’re thinking in 6 different ways giving every single side to CYA, lol. Great video 👍🏻
I agree with you as far as his reaction to some of the less than informed comments I have seen on here. In truth, some of his comments have been a bit personalized. But those comments, in addition to the comments contextualized in scientific basis, are absolutely legit. That is the nature of testing. We saw it all the time in evaluations of aircraft flight and safety characteristics. Some safety concerns came from personal biases. But since robots are not going to be buying these car, you need honest feedback.
It’s a shame that negative feedback is viewed the way it is from some. I see a lot of almost censorship in reactions to his, what I think are, constructive comments.
For me it's really construction zones and unusual places without clear markings where the FSD needs the most improvements, as can be expected. But its only a question of time
Excellent commentary as usual. Thank you for being HONEST with us. I've also seen definite regressions on the 12.4.1 build. The beauty of Tesla's vertical integration is that they are able to pivot QUICKLY. Hopefully 12.4.2 will fix the most glaring issues I.e. Lane weaving, Auto offset and general timidity
This is key, the speed In which they can iterate
My Model 3 does the same thing when it comes to "turn lane signage written on the pavement"; that is, FSD becomes confused. When I approach signage, I preemptively take over. FSD simply does not like "turn lane signage" written on the pavement. Surprised to see your Model S also got confused with the pavement sigange. Very informative review 👍🏾
Hi, I'm watching your videos from Australia, and I appreciate and admire your very fair-minded commentary and appraisal of the various versions of FSD. I may have missed it, but could you please tell us when you're about to start a drive (video) in which mode (cautious or assertive etc) you've placed the vehicle, so if it hesitates, why it might be so cautious. Thanks Paul
Thanks for watching and commenting. The details are in the description.
Glad the curb issue has been addressed. Curbed my wheels for the first time on 12.3
Yes much better now
you are a fantastic guy, thanks for doing this
Thanks.
The dot versions of v12 are not just retrained. Each represents a new AI system architecture. Each change in architecture requires "retraining". Model weights derived for one AI architecture won't work in a different architecture.
Now that Tesla is not compute restrained, they can work on multiple models and multiple vehicle versions of FSD in parallel. If Tesla can't do it yet, one goal has to be acquiring the ability to train multiple models in tandem on the same data stream. Another goal has to be to train the control portion of the FSD AI system on 4D compressed data rather than on raw video data. This would allow faster data transfer due to the compression and smaller model footprints in the hardware. It would also provide significant reductions in data storage and in energy usage. As long as a gathering vehicle can generate the same 4D data stream under the same circumstances, FSD solutions that work for one vehicle should be possible for similar vehicles. Working in compressed 4D space should also allow the AI supervising the training process to generate variations from the 4D datasets to speed up training that can add to the diversity in the training sets without the delay of waiting to acquire new datasets with similar issues and without the need to store full video data for every dataset.
Do u think the previous version needed 5-10x more interventions? Thanks.
Hi....great video. I've watched your videos before and always find them insightful. Quick question...when you say the cameras have been cleaned and recalibrated, how many cameras are inside the interior that need to be cleaned and what is the best method for cleaning? In terms of recalibration, I'm assuming there is a setting that allows for this feature - is this correct? Thank you for help.
Microfiber cloth can clean the cameras. 1 internal camera and recalibration is a feature in the menu
@@BlackTesla okay, thank you
Not looking forward to 12.4. I’m looking forward to 12.5 at this point which will replace the legacy highway code. Highway has been very good but there are some flaws. Problems I’ve faced are missing exits occasionally, slamming on the brakes in order to make lane changes to take an exit, unnecessary lane changes, and going too fast in construction zones. Doesn’t feel human-like at times.
My biggest problem on freeways are that if cars are backed up for an exit it just ignores them and tries to go around and then merge like a jerk in time for the exit. Big issue when an exit road that is like the second lane from the right and not the furthest right.
Yeah, at this point just leave me on 12.3.6. I’ll wait for 12.5.😂
I had similar problems with the occasional hesitation to proceed at intersections. I too had to intervene to avoid irritating the driver behind me. I then changed the FSD setting to AGGRESSIVE from AVERAGE. I find the hesitation was reduced, without any new reckless behaviour. It also reduced my experience with phantom slowdowns. Could you please try the AGGRESSIVE setting. Test if the intersection FSD hesitation is eliminated. Also test if your incidents of phantom slowdowns are also eliminated. Thank you for your meticulous testing.
I'll switch to assertive going forward
Thanks for doing this again. Version of software does not work the same way for heuristic coded software and AI trained software. With heuristic coded software you can guarantee that the changes are carried over to the next version while it's not possible with AI traines software.
5:45 I had that happen the other day too, and it's pretty scary in traffic. I feel like that behavior could cause an accident.
what do u press to report?
Elon said this is a major version change supposedly far less interventions. It’s sure more quirky. Well done! Lotsa love to all ❤❤❤
I love this channel
What is strange is, each time you have had good feedback of your version of FSD, I have awful luck and vice versa.
This current update has been the best one for me over the past 4 updates. I stopped using it for a while because of how bad it was. Now it's "normal" again.
Which version are you on now?
@@BlackTesla 12.3.6 , I just realized mine was different than your current one.
In past videos though, I have seen you have great luck with stacks that I had awful luck with.
Ironically, when I was first added in 2021, I had awesome luck. After my first update, I had terrible luck with phantom braking and my car refused to make a left turn that was on my daily route.
Currently, I have had zero interventions with this stack. The past three updates though were so horrendous that I stopped using FSD.
Wonder if the lane indecisiveness has something to do with navigation. I saw it do that in another video, and the car could clearly see the correct path on the camera, so not sure why it doesn't drive down that path. Has to be nav, right?
You'd think
I think Elon meant that 12.4.1 should have been called version 11. He would be better off saying that this version is all new trained and there will be some regressions and some advances but that this version has a higher ceiling and in point releases will get better (even though in previous releases point releases have mostly made it worse)
This specific build has gotten better since you got it??? How is that possible? Does the car have local long-term memory?
As seen from the first drive and then the second drive it is doing things differently. Some for the good and some not so good.
Wow, now I'm glad that I didn't receive 12.4.1! Yesterday, 12.3.6 stopped for a pedestrian at a crosswalk that wasn't at a stop sign. So not slowing for a cyclist crossing is very troubling. Thanks for the video!
I think the part about the cyclist is interesting especially since this was not an issue with prior versions for me. The cyclist was clearly detected and crossed at the crosswalk but the car decides to throw up a warning instead. Hmm.
How are they improving the software from the time the version is downloaded without updating it?
I am 100 percent certain the software gets improved
They may have limitations put on the model as they release and then they relax the limitations.
Having to press accelerator pedal twice (once to get started, once at the UPL) are both failures. Yet, you cheered the UPL. Do you consider accelerator pedal presses as part of FSD supervision?
I dont consider accelerator presses fails. In most cases it's just me wanting to go in a scenario where FSD wants to be cautious. The initial press was odd tho.
There’s “being cautious,” and there’s being confused and frozen.
Good vid
I have a ‘24 MYP, I wonder how long before this is pushed to me?
Pretty sure it’s been delayed for a wider rollout…I’ve been reading could be a couple more weeks out still.
Hmmm why you never get alert to grab the steering wheel? I was using the supervise FDS I still don’t think it’s worth it just because you have to grab the wheel so many times. If I gotta grab the wheel every 30 seconds to two minutes, I might as well drive the car myself.
You know this new version removes nag man where u been
@@famip3679 Well I don’t watch all his videos but even on his videos weeks ago I don’t see him touching the wheel much.
@@Mr.CEO888 common CEO step it up
what is the icon you have next to the temperature and how do you get it there?
A little snapshot button they gave to OG beta testers along time ago and never removed them. We dunno if it even does anything.
Oh ok thanks. Because I never saw it on mine but I’m not a beta tester
Always appreciate your content. Thanks for making FSD better!
Whats the white screen in the left that you use to flag? How do u set that?
He’s an early beta tester. Most people don’t have that option.
Excellent video. I love the objective commentary. The autopilot team needs honest feedback. Elon needs honest feedback. I think they rushed getting 12.4.1 out to some public users.
Some youtubers feel they are helping Tesla by saying everything is fantastic. They are not helping. The public is not stupid. The public will make the final evaluation about the product.
Not rushed. It's a limited release for exactly this reason. It was the same fore every major release since the first public beta.
The wide release will have many of these bugs fixed.
I've watched about a dozen FSD 12.4.1 videos in total. I'm curious why other people have uninterrupted hours of driving footage without issues and your videos seem to have a lot more issues. Have you noticed this? What do you think is going on there?
He do not have v12.4.1? Very few have.
I don't have 12.4 yet but this is always the case with my M3LR and RUclips. I never get the same results here in Dallas as these people with the flawless trips.
That's why I prefer to watch a variety of creators. Some show the flaws like Black Tesla and Tesla Tech Geek. Others (typically the most viewed channels) have these polished, flawless drives that, in my opinion, don't represent the masses.
Not sure if that's for stock or referral reasons (or both). But it's not realistic to me.
Selection bias?
It's the location. FSD works best in California where it's being developed, confirmed by Elon.
@@BlackTesla Thanks for clarification.
Tesla has NOT released FSD version 12.4.1 to all Tesla owners. I have a 2023 Model 3 and my update arrived without the automantic shift to drive/reverse and it still has the "attenion nag feature". So there,...you can stop thinking you are the "redheaded step child" 👈🏾 I bet you the next refresh of the Model S will knock the socks off a Model 3.
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Wow that's huge, how do you make that much monthly?
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Seems like it will need to reach 12.4.6 before it’s better than 12.3.6
the useless lane changes on wide roads are the bane of my existence and it LOVES throwing blinkers on when it knows people are there
Wow this is a bit disheartening.
Elon needs to forever avoid “mind blowing” as a descriptor for any next evolution in FSD progress.
Elon is becoming the boy who cried wolf when it comes to this FSD stuff. I don't believe anything he says about it anymore.
He’s a marketer not an engineer
@@sponkmcdonk3898, and not a good marketer, having lost credibility.
12.4.1 looks like a significant regression, worse than Snyder prior v12 release. Are we going round in a circle, or are we improving?
@@johncarbone6128 Both. lol It's like when something gets fixed, another thing that used to work breaks.
Hopefully the end game is that you could sit in the backseat if you want to?
is it worth $8000 though
Depends on the use case, but not more than $8k I'd say.
Not yet. I bought it for $6k in 2020 upon purchase and I feel $3000 would have been more fair at that time.
5-10x improvement? I ain’t seeing it
Yea. For reals. Wtf is this shit. Lol.
Don’t send this to my car.
Yea Elon capping. But this is a brand new neural net. Probably has more input variables.hopefully it can improve with some more fine tuning
5-10x improvement was for 12.4. This is just the first point release of 12.4; the 5-10x improvement can't be judged until all 12.4 point releases have been in use, likely 12.4.6 or thereabouts.
@@BigBen621 Sure. But Elon has been hyping many releases in the past. He pretty much thought v11 was it.
I do think Tesla will be the first to get there. I just wish Elon would be more conservative when talking about FSD
Mind boggling how much of a regression 12.4.1 is relative to 12.3.6. I have confidence they will iron it out and surpass expectations once again. However, nothing is guaranteed and we must hope Tesla has not hit any major snags in their AI model that could potentiate another revamping of the application. Unlikely. Thanks for the great analysis. Your input is phenomenal!
Frustrating other motorists around us is a fail imo.
So bad. So many regressions. So discouraging.
My guess: 🤔
12.3 was trained on Tesla employee data & very specific videos that where prescreened by humans for correct driving behavior. Less data but high quality. They were compute constrained.
12.4 was trained on a huge amount of general video pulled from fleet. This would have a mix of good driving behavior and bad. Then, they try to use quantity to weed out the bad driving training data by having the AI consider less frequent maneuvers as anomalous behavior it shouldn’t do.
Eventually enough data will be fed through that the good behavior will rise to the top. Unless, humans in general are such bad drivers that fleet data will be useless to train on. 🤔
FSD 12.4.1 continues to have problems:
2:05 Another slow right turn. Unlike a human
5:43 Weaving left and right. Not good
5:45 Goes straight, in a mandatory turn lane
5:58 Weaving left and right, *again*
6:18 BT says "Hunting for lanes has gotten worse"
8:43 FSD does not go, when the light turns Green
8:43 BT presses accel pedal. *Intervention*
9:02 FSD *failed* *to* *slowdown* for a cyclist ! omg
9:47 *OMG* , FSD cannot handle road closed. *Disengage*
17:17 BT says "We already proved that FSD cannot park"
Hopefully a quick patch can resolve these issues
bro is everywhere
@@Delta-qi4ls truth is everywhere. Savvy Tesla fans are not buying into the hype.
@@FindingTruth82 But Elon said 12.4.1 will have 10x less interventions. A claim that is totally NOT true. At this point, nothing that Elan says can be trusted.
No he did not say that. He said 12.4, which has NOT been released yet to the public.
Bro paid something like 8k for this he better be critical
🤣
12.4.1....완전 개판이네...뭐 이따구고...챗 gpt 모먼트 오긴 오나? 신발 데이터 있으면 가능하다면서. 기본도 안되는데...뭐냐. 짜증나게.
We’re all training their model it’s gonna be trash for a while
This is worst than any previous versions of fsd 12
what are you expect from Elon ? anything more ?
@@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg
So you say every new version was worse then the last? Then v8.0 should be perfect.
No it isn't. It's a limited release for a reason, it's not polished yet. 12.4 was a full retrain of the model, so some regression is to be expected.
@@jeffufcfanaticrosenbergWhat does Elon have to do with it? This is like blaming Tim Cook for bugs in IOS.
@@andrasbiro3007😂😂😂😂😂😂 ok -
Elon lie people died
Disappointing! Lots of work to do Tesla.
If you didn't need your hands for driving, thanks to autonomous vehicle technology, there would be several activities you could pursue while in the car. Here are some examples:
1. Reading and Writing: You could catch up on books, newspapers, or even handle correspondence and other writing tasks.
2. Work: With hands-free driving, the car could become a mobile office where you can work on your laptop, participate in video conferences, and manage documents.
3. Entertainment: Watching movies, playing video games, or streaming shows could be more comfortably enjoyed without needing to focus on the road.
4. Relaxation: You might meditate, practice breathing exercises, or even nap.
5. Socializing: This time could be used to have in-depth conversations with passengers or through virtual meet-ups.
6. Learning: Listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or learning a new language could be ideal ways to utilize this time.
7. Eating: Enjoy a more relaxed meal or coffee without worrying about spilling or needing to navigate.
These activities could transform commuting time into productive or restorative periods, greatly enhancing daily efficiency and well-being.
Why are you using ChatGPT to comment?
An impressive list, but Level 5 full autonomy is still *years* *away* for the Tesla FSD system.
@@DerekDavis213 You got that right. Elon's predictions are ridiculous.
@@DerekDavis213
Not really. At this rate it could easily be less then a year.
@@andrasbiro3007 90 days of training since v12 was launched, and the latest 12.4.1 software still makes egregious mistakes. what a joke.
Less than a year until full Level 5? Not a chance.
wtf. This is so bad.